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VLC 2.0 'Twoflower' Released For Windows & Mac

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the new-and-shiny dept.

Media 299

Titus Andronicus writes "Years in the making, the major new release of VideoLAN's media player has better support for multicore processors, GPUs, and much, much more. From the announcement: 'Twoflower has a new rendering pipeline for video, with higher quality subtitles, and new video filters to enhance your videos. It supports many new devices and BluRay Discs (experimental). Completely reworked Mac and Web interfaces and improvements in the other interfaces make VLC easier than ever to use. Twoflower fixes several hundreds of bugs, in more than 7000 commits from 160 volunteers.'"

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Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Maciel (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089763)

GreatBunzinni [slashdot.org] , real name Rui Maciel, has been regularly accusing [slashdot.org] almost 20 accounts of being employed by a PR firm to astroturf Slashdot, via anonymous comments without any evidence. Using multiple puppet accounts, he mods up these anonymous posts while modding down the target accounts in order to censor their viewpoints off of Slashdot. GreatBunzinni accidentally outed himself [slashdot.org] as the anonymous troll who has been posting his baseless accusations to every Slashdot story. For example, he wrote the same post almost verbatim, first using his logged-in account [slashdot.org] followed by an anonymous post [slashdot.org] days later. Note the use of the same script and wording.

It turns out GreatBunzinni is actually a 31-year-old C++/Java programmer from Almada, Portugal named Rui Maciel, with a civil engineering degree from Instituto Superior Técnico and a hobby working with electronics. He runs Kubuntu and is active on the KDE mailing list. Rui Maciel has accounts at OSNews, Launchpad, ProgrammersHeaven, the Ubuntu forums, and of course Slashdot. While trolling Slashdot, he listens rock music like Motorhead, Fu Manchu, and Iron Maiden, but lately he's been on a big Jimi Hendrix kick, with some Bootsy Collins on the side (as you might have guessed, he has a Last.fm account). He's also a fan of strategy games like Vega Strike and Transport Tycoon.

Most of the users Rui targets have done nothing more than commit the sin of praising competitors to Google or other Linux-based products at some point in the past. Some of them are subscribers who often get the first post, since subscribers see stories earlier than non-subscribers. When one of Rui's accusations is posted as a reply, the original post suddenly and mysteriously receives a surge of "Troll" and "Overrated" moderations from his puppet accounts, while the accusing post gets modded up, despite presenting zero evidence. Often, additional anonymous posters suddenly pop up to give support, which also receive upmods. At the same time, accused users who defend themselves are modded down as "Offtopic."

Rui Maciel's contact information
Email: greatbunzinni@gmail.com [mailto] or rui.maciel@gmail.com [mailto]
IM: greatbunzinni@jabber.org [xmpp] (the same Jabber account currently listed on his Slashdot account)
Blog: http://rui_maciel.users.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
Programming projects: http://www.programmersheaven.com/user/GreatBunzinni/contributions [programmersheaven.com]

Known puppet accounts used by Rui Maciel
Galestar [slashdot.org]
NicknameOne [slashdot.org]
Nicknamename [slashdot.org]
Toonol [slashdot.org]
flurp [slashdot.org]
chrb [slashdot.org]
psiclops [slashdot.org]
anonymov [slashdot.org]
forkfail [slashdot.org]

tl;dr: An Ubuntu user named Rui Maciel is actively trolling Slashdot with multiple moderator accounts in an attempt to filter dissenting opinions off the site.

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089781)

tl;don't care anyway

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089857)

You seem to be operating under the delusion that we care about the personal identity of someone who (correctly) has outed astroturfers.

That you take so much time spamming slashdot really only lends credibility to his claims. Who but an astroturfer or the mentally ill would waste so much time doing so?

Keep at it though bonchy-babe. I'm sure not *everyone* is laughing at you.

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089875)

Hi, Rui Maciel! You even wrote "slashdot" in all-lowercase like you do on your GreatBunzinni account.

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (-1, Offtopic)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39089913)

Fascinating, our very own Cat and Mouse game here on Slashdot!

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089933)

Should we really up the ante?

Rui Maciel is employed by TechGuru.com.br...

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (0)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39089963)

I don't particularly care. But you seem to be quite irritated by him, so, you do what you want I suppose.

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (-1, Offtopic)

JonySuede (1908576) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090049)

Does he sells cocaine to little children ? If not I do not give a fuck !

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090169)

Parent has certainly too much time on his hands. Seriously? Tracking down a nickname? That is insante! I bet he is paid to do this, in fact it only proves the theory of GreatBunzini!

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (0)

JustOK (667959) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090173)

You'll have to buy from someone else until you grow up

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (0)

f3rret (1776822) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090207)

Will he sell cocaine to me? If not I do not give a fuck!

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (1)

f3rret (1776822) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090195)

[Citation Needed]

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (1, Offtopic)

psiclops (1011105) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090325)

My name's not Rui and if you read my comment history you'd probably know that i live in australia.
also, i'm not even 30 yet and i hate Java.

but go on, please continue to think that i have no life and would create multiple accounts to spam & modbomb slashdot.

Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090331)

VLC is garbage anyhow. KMPlayer [kmplayer.com] and SPlayer [splayer.org] are much better.

Twoflower eh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089771)

So terrible things will continuously happen, but at least the main characters will survive.

Mac interface VASTLY improved (4, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#39089783)

Gone is the two window design! Now it's got an iTunes-like single window, but with its own VLC stylings (e.g., the playback controls on the bottom). I dig!

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (0, Offtopic)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#39089949)

I hardly think iTunes was the first video player to have a single window, and it's probably not the best example of one.

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (4, Insightful)

readandburn (825014) | more than 2 years ago | (#39089975)

I hardly think iTunes was the first video player to have a single window, and it's probably not the best example of one.

It is, however, what most Mac users are familiar with so it makes a good comparison.

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (2, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 2 years ago | (#39089981)

What the? Where did I say iTunes was the first video player to have a single window? I mentioned iTunes because the Mac version now has a shaded source list on the left filled with media sources, like iTunes.

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089997)

Apparently, Apple-haters are so defensive that they invent reasons to get pissed off. He didn't say iTunes was the "first video player to have a single window."

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090103)

I hardly think iTunes was the first video player to have a single window, and it's probably not the best example of one.

To me, it looks like the old version, except the icons look slightly different. What is this two window interface people are talking about? Did it used to look like Gimp or something??

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39089993)

Old Mac interface. I push play on the Apple Remote(tm) and it plays. New interface seems unchanged from my perspective.

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (5, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090075)

Actually, I must interject that the old interface had only a single window for me because I didn't want to use the media library. Now I have no choice. Cant turn it off, cant remove or change the internet sites they opt to list. So to me the new interface is a major downgrade. I just want a media player, not a media management system.

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090309)

But still no h.264 hardware support (http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/3558) on Macs. *sigh*

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (2)

segin (883667) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090671)

I've been told by someone that newer GPUs and systems have zero practical use of hardware-accelerated h.264, as the CPU is insanely fast enough to do it just fine without acceleration. Not that I believe it, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone used this excuse to downplay the lack of hardware-accelerated h.264 decoding.

Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090599)

In the (no so distant) future, will free software like VLC be available for (what is now "Mac", but will just be "OS")?

I have heard plans that everything will have to go thru the app store... will freeware projects be able to afford the "Tax"?

"FOR ANIME FANS" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089821)

Aka, for the neckbearded virgins.

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089881)

Yeah. Because a simple, light-weight, video player that plays damn-near anything you throw at it without the need for additional codecs and runs on every OS that matters is specifically for neckbearded, anime-fan virgins. I can't possibly imagine anyone else ever wanting to watch videos on their computer.

Troll much?

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089895)

he's referring to the section in the change log specifically titled "FOR ANIME FANS"

i laughed too when i saw it

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090141)

There are a number of features largely specific to anime fansubs, e.g. heavily styled subtitles (to replace Japanese text on signs, etc) and MKV segment linking. It's not spurious. And "neckbearded virgins" is rather silly when anime as a fandom is hardly gender-specific (unlike, say, Slashdot).

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090201)

Who said anything about gender?

The women anime fans have neckbeards too, in my experience.

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (2, Funny)

EdgeCreeper (1618161) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090327)

In my experience, absolutely not. Quit spreading untrue stereotypes, I mean it.

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090549)

Or what? Are you going to punch your real doll and cry to sleep like a true manchild?

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090569)

Ah, slashdot.. where neckbeards make light fun of other neckbeards. The only place where a nerd can go to make fun of other nerds without taking it seriously.

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090191)

Unless you understand Japanese, watching Anime requires subtitles, so good subtitle support in the player is required.

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (1)

miknix (1047580) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090229)

Not only that but also plays videos contained inside compressed archives... I heard it is useful for p0rn!

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089885)

Being on slashdot, you can't really make fun of neckbearded virgins..

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090183)

they are a perfectly cromulent sub species of something.

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090261)

Subspecies implies they reproduce...may God help us all...

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (2)

JustOK (667959) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090391)

the method of reproduction is still in debate. Current theories include: asexual reproduction, fsm-mmm-donuts - which involves drool and hair, and spontaneously.

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (5, Interesting)

RanceJustice (2028040) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090153)

If we can get by the neckbeard virgin jokes, its actually a good idea for them to specifically target anime-watching (especially the fansub community) in their notes. For years, there has been the complaint that, compared to such offerings as Media Player Classic Home Cinema, especially with lots of external filters from something like the Combined Community Codec Pack, VLC was inferior. Subtitles were not rendered as aesthetically pleasingly, image quality may have suffered, and other factors made VLC a second player choice despite its internal filters and easy accessibility.

The anime fansub community has pioneered the usage of initially arcane formats, expecting exacting quality and often utilizing features that would be an afterthought for most other media. Matroska container formats,H.264/ X264 HD video, Ogg Theora/OGM, multi-channel AAC/OGG/ audio, multiple streams of the aforementioned plus multiple softcoded subtitle options, etc.. showed up prominently in anime fansub encodes long before the general population ever saw them. Some would say their pioneering encoding even helped drive pirate rips of SD and HD content out of old-fashioned AVI containers for everything, besides being a huge boon to localization in any form as these advances helped to move from single language audio and subtitle options hardcoded (or hand-selected-and-renamed-manual-subs) to simple container formats with multiple options. Today, we're seeing many fansub release groups offering 1080p high bitrate MKV with lossless FLAC audio channels and 10-bit color pallets...even for porn!

Anime fansubs/localization has been a quiet but important force in driving online video quality from the days of grainy, option-free rips to a single high-bitrate HD file with several lossless audio channels and subtitles for 8 languages available, often using open specifications and open source codecs to do so. VLC setting the bar for these enthusiasts who really move the media forward is certainly commendable in my opinion, compared to saying "Well, if it runs content purchased off iTunes, its good enough!".

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090197)

The anime fansub community has pioneered the usage of initially arcane formats, expecting exacting quality

lolwut?

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090253)

The funny part is they could have just retitled it "FOR ANIME WAREZERS" as there are no legitimate distributions of any anime series in an MKV container or using ASS subs.

"Well, if it runs content purchased off iTunes, its good enough!".

And yet as much as we at Slashdot desire to pay the people who create the works we enjoy, no high quality MKV rip has ever done so. iTunes downloads do, however.

WebM uses MKV (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090411)

there are no legitimate distributions of any anime series in an MKV container

Every video on YouTube is available as WebM (that is, VP8+Vorbis in a subset of MKV). Are you trying to claim there is no legitimate anime on YouTube?

And yet as much as we at Slashdot desire to pay the people who create the works we enjoy

We pay those publishers who are willing to take our money. Publishers that sit on their works and declare "no export for you" [tvtropes.org] get little sympathy.

Re:WebM uses MKV (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090645)

Are you trying to claim there is no legitimate anime on YouTube?

I am not aware of any. Most streaming anime is hosted at the licensor's website.

We pay those publishers who are willing to take our money. Publishers that sit on their works and declare "no export for you" get little sympathy.

And yet shows that do get licensed and sold... sell terribly even if they have large fanbases. Usually with lots of rationalization.

Yes yes, more excuses please. I had my fill 7 years ago and walked away from the fansub world as they wore thin.

Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" (0)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090199)

I don't think you are using that term correctly. Looking it up, I found a quite informative primer on the neckbeard [whowritesthisstuff.net] .

Not all Anime fans are neckbeards apparently, and not all neckbeards are virgins. A fact that was very surprising to say the least.

Not Bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089859)

Looks pretty good so far. Still crashes if you try to set file associations, but I've given up on that being fixed.

They have some balls adding Bluray support.

Re:Not Bad (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090023)

And seeking still mess up the video with blocky frames and overall gray spots.

Re:Not Bad (1)

readandburn (825014) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090029)

They have some balls adding Bluray support.

Forgive my ignorance, but why do you say that?

Re:Not Bad (2)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090255)

Doesn't every application that processes Bluray data have to maintain HDCP, per the Bluray association's licensing deal?

I assume VLC doesn't have a license, and is displaying Bluray using one of its known hacks. While DVD content protection is dead dead there hasn't been as much case law with Bluray.

Re:Not Bad (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090295)

It's simpler than that: they're based in France, which doesn't recognise the same laws as the USA. Their legal page goes into detail.

Re:Not Bad (3, Insightful)

TPoise (799382) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090667)

Or they'll just get extradited and hauled before a U.S. court on charges of distribution of copyrighted material. And let's hope their domain name isn't registered with GoDaddy...

Does skipping video work? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089871)

Does it finally correctly skip the video, instead of just skipping to some time near where I clicked?

Re:Does skipping video work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090083)

Yes, the timeline is overhauled (at least on Windows)

.

Three ways to seek (5, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090111)

In a constant bitrate stream, you can just multiply the chosen time by the bitrate, seek once to that point in the file, and start playing. In a variable bitrate stream, you can't. So you have to either A. read the whole file and construct an index of where to seek for each second, B. seek somewhere near where the user clicked, or C. seek near where the user clicked and then retry up to four times ("interpolated bisection" assuming piecewise constant bitrate) to find the exact second. The best option ends up differing for each container. In AVI, option A is best because the vast majority of files have an "index" at the end mapping keyframe times to byte offsets. VirtualDub uses option A, which is fast for AVI but slow for MPEG. Based on your description, VLC appears to use B. The Ogg project tends to use C, but Monty eventually realized that that's too slow over an Internet connection with a wireless last mile, so he relented and put an index into Ogg Skeleton (source [xiph.org] ).

Re:Three ways to seek (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090187)

You're overthinking it. The old versions just had bad GUI.

Packaged (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089959)

It's not only Windows and Mac. It's been packaged for Chakra Linux, also.

It sounds like they've done some great tuning work (3, Interesting)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39089969)

Not surprisingly, most of the work seems to have been for platforms other than Linux, but maybe the upgraded OpenGL rendering pipeline will prove of benefit when full-screening 1080p videos. My box periodically stutters a frame or two when viewing such videos on a 1600x1200 monitor, because I've only got a crufty old P4-3.8GHz CPU with 4G of fast RAM. My video card is more than capable, and I never used to see any frame loss under Windows.

Mind you, I didn't have a pile of servers running when I had this CPU chugging under XP instead of Ubuntu 10.04.1.

Alas, the odds are not in my favour that I'll see this update unless I build from source.

Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w (4, Interesting)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090355)

I run the lastest VLC <v2 on Mac and Linux. VLC Linux is by far more buggy and less convenient than its Mac counterpart. Maybe the VLC volunteers don't come from the Linux world after all - or, it's always the baker's children who have no bread...

last ten versions (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089971)

SUCKED
sorry too many issues not upgrading it

Pratchett! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39089989)

Literally the only reason I care about this, and the reason this is the best post today

Re:Pratchett! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090097)

Words literally [reference.com] mean things.

I wonder if that changes the general advice... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090007)

...of NOT using VLC. Whenever anyone complains about video playback problems, the first question is "what video player are you using?" Once they say "VLC" the response is "don't use VLC, use Media Player Classic Home Cinema [sourceforge.net] ," and they do, and everything works. ("But I use Linux!" Then you're used to video not working. "But I use Mac OS X!" Then you overpaid for your computer.)

Installing... Oh, nice it tries to steal file associations for all video/audio files when you install it. Let's just drag a video onto it and start playing and ... no? No drag and drop support? Seriously?

OK, fine, right click on the file and "Play in VLC." Huh. The colors all washed out. Let's just fire up MPC and drag the file onto that - oh, hey, look, everything works perfectly! Color is correct, nothing is screwed up. Anyone want to help me figure out why it doesn't work, or should I just stick with the age-old advice of not using VLC?

Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090025)

One of the lengthier trolls you'll ever see. Kudos!

Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090135)

I'm not trolling. Although for whatever reason after posting that and closing and reopening VLC in an attempt to get colors working again, drag and drop now works. So that's fucked up and not exactly a point in VLC's favor.

But the colors are still all washed out. It's like it's decided to bump the lightness value up way high and bump the saturation down a bit. It's like looking at an old color TV, black is gray and the colors aren't very colorful. I thought maybe I had screwed up the nVidia color settings, but a quick check of that and it turns out that the settings are "use application settings." So it's VLC's fault, and as far as I can tell, everything is set to defaults. Any ideas why that would be? Because everything works fine in MPC and Windows Media Player, it's just VLC that's fucked up.

Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (-1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090165)

You might want to tweak your troll copypasta a bit.

"But I use Mac OS X!" Then you overpaid for your computer.

What laptop running Windows is competitive in speed, weight, and battery life with a MacBook Air and substantially cheaper?

Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090399)

Have you used a MacBook Air? It's fast because you can't do shit with it.

Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (2)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090469)

What laptop running Windows is competitive in speed, weight, and battery life with a MacBook Air and substantially cheaper?

Basically anything with an AMD E-series. The amount they are slower is more than made up for by the amount they are cheaper.

Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (1, Flamebait)

swalve (1980968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090209)

Get a better computer. Works fine for me.

Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (4, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090241)

That's a bit trollish.

VLC is an odd program. When it works, it works wonderfully. Otherwise it sucks very badly. I often go back and forth between MPC and VLC.

I get frustrated by that "rebuild font cache" that just keeps happening on occasion no matter what you do. Subtitle rendering left some things to be desired.

It's just a tool like anything else. I never had the expectation that it was going to work in every single circumstance given the unbelievable variation in encoding formats and what they actually output these days.

Overall, I have never regretted installing it unlike some other programs.

Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... (5, Informative)

MoonSweep (2564893) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090527)

"But I use Linux!" Then you're used to video not working.

Have you ever heard of mplayer ?

I'm leaving slashdot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090051)

Hi, I'm Anonymous Coward and I've been posting to slashdot from the very beginning.

However you lot have just become too fucking old. You've lost your idealism, and become shitty old men, which is why I'm moving to Reddit.
At first I was concerned by the lack of editors, but it's not like the editors here are worth a damn, and the new censorship system is just unacceptable. The mod system doesn't even go up to 11.

Well, it's been fun but fuck you all. And your mothers.
Good bye sirs.

So what is VideoLAN anyway? (0, Troll)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090081)

So what is VideoLAN anyway? Seems like something to stream video, over a LAN, based on the name at least?

Doesn't DLNA pretty much obsolete that? DLNA seems to be built into all my devices (tv, xbox, squeezebox) and Windows by default now, and works just fine.

I'm confused as to what this software is for, and why I should care about it.

Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? (4, Insightful)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090105)

VLC Media Player is a self-contained media player program that will play almost anything you throw at it, and works independently of any codecs installed on your system. So even if your codec installations get messed up, VLC still works.
It also plays DVDs.

Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? (-1, Flamebait)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090317)

So it sounds like Windows Media Player, except it's not modular and easy for end users to add new codecs? And it's just now getting Blu-Ray support?

Not that I've ever really had a problem with codecs. Videos just seem to work on WMP and MPC just fine every time I try, and I never install any "codec pack" or anything other than XviD perhaps.

Honestly I can't figure out why I'd want this still. "Self contained" seems like a big downside to me. It doesn't even compete with VNC or RDP?? The name is pretty misleading as well.

Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090433)

The blue ray stuff is due to Digital Rights Management and other legal stuff. It can also play videos over the network hence the LAN thing. It has always been much faster to load and respond than windows media player for me (although I do not know about win7). Although the codec limitations might be an issue for some they never have been for me, and I play a lot of stuff with old weird codecs, with the number of dodgy sites which try to bundle stuff with the codecs if it works it is a much safer bet. Your mileage may vary of coerce.

Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? (4, Interesting)

Lanteran (1883836) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090467)

Here's why you'd want it: you'd never need to add a codec. VLC plays videos in every codec known to man, and several known only to dolphins. That, and it's a damn good music player, *and* it supports playing videos in the framebuffer in linux.

Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? (2)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090493)

It's a small install that plays most anything you throw at it including damaged files. It doesn't require you to install CODECs and it's pretty highly optimized code to run on even slow machines. anytime I have someone I know complain they cannot play some file or other I tell them to load VLC - problem solved. Perhaps you just only ever play standard sorts of files

Still no frame backward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090099)

In great anticipation I downloaded it, and it still appears not to be able to go backwards frame by frame. Is it that difficult to do? It boggles my mind that it appears not to be a priority for the developers, if I read the forums correctly. If it can skip backwards in small increments then I suppose it could do that and buffer up the frames forward -1. Oh well, nice work and congratuations on all the fixes and new features, maybe in the next release:)

Re:Still no frame backward? (1)

soundguy (415780) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090623)

That's the main reason I went to GOMplayer on Windows years ago. VLC simply didn't do what I wanted it to do (stepping forward/backward, perfect vidcapping, pan & scan, speed adjustments, contrast/brightness/saturation/color controls).

Years ago, I tried installing VLC on my video file servers to do vidcaps/thumbnails via scripts, but it simply wouldn't compile without a full X-window installation to solve dependencies. At one point, there was a console-only version, but it had long since been abandoned and wouldn't compile on a REAL server OS (RHE, Centos) because the developers only saw fit to make it work on Fedora and other non-professional and experimental distros. I eventually figured out how to compile Mplayer in the exact console configuration I wanted on ANY flavor of Linux and never looked back.

Sounds to me like VLC is still lacking.

Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" (1)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090129)

It still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache".
What exactly is VLC doing when it does this?

Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" (4, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090217)

It still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache".
What exactly is VLC doing when it does this?

Uhhhh... it's rebuilding the font cache dude. It say it right there in the dialog box.

Better question is... why does it need to do it every fucking time? :)

Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090375)

What are you guys talking about? I've never seen any such dialog! :| I've used VLC for the last... 6 years? Or something like that.

Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" (2)

nbehary (140745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090475)

It does happen. "Every time" or even frequently, I haven't seen. I get it about 2-3 times a year, it's a little annoying, but not a big deal.

Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" (1)

penguinchris (1020961) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090505)

VLC never does this for me, but Media Player Classic does (on OS X). Every time I start it, a dialog pops up saying it's rebuilding the font cache. It can take 1-2 minutes, or more, and won't let you do anything else while you're waiting!

It's annoying enough that I stopped trying to use MPC, even though it plays some videos smoothly that VLC stutters on (a known VLC OS X issue - not sure if it's fixed in the latest version). Plus the MPC interface and everything kind of sucks too.

If VLC were doing that too, I'd be really, really annoyed. But I'd probably keep using it anyway because despite its faults, it's always been the best player for my purposes, on all OS's.

Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090453)

The first thing I wondered when I tried the new version is "Will it ever have to rebuild the font cache". Sure enough, the first thing it did when I dragged in a video was... rebuild the font cache! It took three minutes to play the video. Not a good first impression.

Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090481)

I see a terminal window for this during install for all of about 5 seconds on Win7. Perhaps you've checked the "clear cache" box during install and shouldn't be?

i am pleased (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090175)

This player supports brony-related content.

I do nit understand the lack of more hoof print support, but at east t s unicorns

Arch Linux (1)

diego.viola (1104521) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090215)

Already have it on Arch Linux.

Huge thanks to all the developers.

Re:Arch Linux (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090367)

Indeed, this got pushed incredibly fast! :)

better, still not there yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090245)

Posting AC because I moderated. I've been messing with the new VLC this evening. I like the new interface. Video from the various sources that are in the canned lists plays without problems. However - when I use VLC to play a ripped DVD from my media hard drive, it stutters very, very slightly - but enough to notice.

Have tried it on a 2006 MacBook and a 2011 MacBook Pro - playing Avatar VIDEO_TS from my media drive on the LAN - comparing VLC with Apple's DVD Player, nothing else running on the test machine, nothing else asking for data on the LAN. VLC still has these tiny hesitations that break the viewing experience, while DVD Player is completely smooth.

Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? (1)

mykos (1627575) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090337)

Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but I tried VLC a while back but I remember only being able to get it to put out stereo. Any VLC experts know if this works?

Re:Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? (1)

penguinchris (1020961) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090517)

I was able to do this several years ago, with standard VLC on linux; the options are in there somewhere but I remember it not being obvious how to get it to work, and a lot of trial and error was involved.

Re:Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? (2)

babymac (312364) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090567)

It's under the Audio menu - Audio Device sub-menu. Select the encoded audio device.

Re:Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090605)

I still haven't found a way to get it to output mono.

Fantastic! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090457)

It makes the cocks on my tranny porn look bigger and stiffer! Great improvement!

Just tested this..... (4, Interesting)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090473)

Wow! I can now skip merrily through a multi-gig MKV file at high bitrates without lag. I can jump halfway through the video and with almost no pause it begins playing with only a little pixelation. This is on Win7 so YMMV on other platforms but I can tell you that compared to even the beta I WAS running this is a giant leap forward - no pun intended. Previously it would hang and slog through the video and was just really awful to skip through big files when I wanted to just check something. Now? Zero issues, clear picture, and plenty of control. I can grab the slider and get pretty good playback too although it obviously jumps some. So far I haven't tried many other video containers or ISO etc. just this one test but for me this was a really big one - very very pleased.

Bravo to the VLC team!

Media Player Classic - Home Cinema (3, Informative)

Aereus (1042228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39090515)

VLC 2.0? That's nice. I'll keep using my even lighter weight video player that plays even more "darn near everything" than VLC.

Even the built-in filters for MPC-HC are very good, but extending it with Haali's Splitter and ffdshow or CoreAVC results in even better performance.

I'll wait until 2.0.1 or 2.0.2 in a few days (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39090587)

Sure, I feel the urge to download this right now but I know I'll be downloading 2.0.1 tomorrow and then 2.0.2 the day after that so I might as well wait until all the "oops" releases get taken care of.

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