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Human Rights Groups Push To Save Condemned Programmer In Iran

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the last-chance dept.

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First time accepted submitter debiangruven writes "Human rights Groups are making one final plea to save the life of Canadian programmer, Saeed Malekpour, who was sentenced to death for writing a program to upload photos to the Internet. From the article: 'Malekpour's supporters have created Facebook pages and websites in his support dating to at least 2009. Amnesty International has requested on its website that concerned individuals write Iranian authorities inside and outside the country to demand that Malekpour not be executed."

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Goodwin be Damned (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092229)

Islam is shaping up to be the modern day Nazi movement. Intolerant and bent on world domination.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (2, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092277)

Islam is shaping up to be the modern day Nazi movement. Intolerant and bent on world domination.

If you read Slashdot enough, you would swear that the US is JUST as bad as Iran. No, I'm not kidding. There are people on here who will claim that the United States is just as bad as Iran when it comes to human rights issues and even try to argue this point.

Others will say that Christianity is the exact same as Islam, even though Christianity specifically forbids this type of killing.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0, Troll)

mathmathrevolution (813581) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092321)

Exactly.

When the USA uses drones to execute Muslims for uploading dissident YouTube videos it is far superior to Iran's execution of dissidents. Christianity recognizes that everybody is endowed with basic human rights except Muslims.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092379)

Oh, I'm sorry that non-Muslims might be unhappy about being cut down by terrorists in their thousands, simply because you consider them dirty white kuffars.

So typical of Muslims. We must be destroyed and subjugated, and if we resist, we fuel your bullshit sense of victimhood.

"We are victims because you are rich dirty white kuffars and you exist. Therefore it is our right to kill you, terrorise you, bomb you, and illegally colonise your countries".

Re:Goodwin be Damned (5, Insightful)

mathmathrevolution (813581) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092617)

Are you talking about the most recent Iraq War? Do you imagine your brutal invasion and occupation of a foreign nation premised upon falsified claims of WMDs to be merely "resistance to subjugation"? Do you consider the million Iraqi deaths [wikipedia.org] caused by America's actions to be "fuel for Muslim's bullshit sense of victimhood"?

So typical of Muslims. We must be destroyed and subjugated, and if we resist, we fuel your bullshit sense of victimhood.

What a perfect exhibit of the Orwellian mindset that has taken over so many Americans. No matter how many Muslim nations Americans are occupying, bombing, and threatening, most Americans imagine themselves to be the victims. And then they portray the world's Muslim community as idiotic and belligerent in what amounts to a textbook case of psychological projection.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092841)

As a dutch citizen I say to the Americans: Nuke the fuckers now, before they can start some real shit.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092879)

As another dutch citizen i say you. Nuke them yourself, if you want that so eagerly. But no, you don't dare that, do you. You prefer USA doing the dirty work, so that we can wash our hands in innocence and the USA gets all the blame.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093511)

As a USA citizen, I would he happy too.

I've been advocating doing so since 2001 when I was 13 years old. I maintained then that it would be cheaper, and would cause fewer deaths in the long run. History has proven I had better judgement as a 13 year old than the World Leaders did at the time, or even have now.

Now will somebody hand me the red button? We've already lost half the bill of rights fighting this war like an ineffective Disney Hero. If the national conscience won't grow a pair, then they should outsource the responsibility of the decision to someone more willing to nut up.

A Matter of Perception (5, Insightful)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092895)

American citizens ARE the victims, but our enemy is not Muslims, or some nameless and faceless turban-sporting brown person. In fact, Christians pose more of a threat to our way of life than any foreign government. Need proof? Read up on proposed policies by Santorum or Romney.

Our enemy is our government. They are the ones taking away our civil rights, encroaching on our free will, intentionally unbalancing poverty and wealth levels to maintain the status-quo. They are the terrorists - not some fictional enemy Muslim.

On a level of personal opinion, I think all religion is entirely bullshit, and the world as a whole needs to focus on reality and planning for the future instead of arguing over some unimportant stories of the long-distant past.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (2)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093013)

I love how your post demonstrates one of the claims of those Americans beyond any single doubt : for muslims, there is no difference between military and civilians. It is obvious this is an unspoken assumption of your statement : your post only makes sense if every military target is considered on exactly the same as a civilian one. Which mainly highlights one thing : for Christians attacking a missile silo is different from attacking a kindergarten. For muslims (or for sharia) it isn't different at all : it's an attack on the religion, "on all muslims".

That's the part many Americans still don't grasp. The distinction between military and civilian targets is a concept from canon law exclusively, codified in things like the Geneva convention that muslims may have signed, but don't really intend to abide by. You can't expect muslims to play by these rules, which to them have a big stamp "Jesus Christ" all over it, and muslims will blame you exactly the same whether you destroy a tank that's firing on you or a hospital with disabled kids inside.

Please also keep this in mind when reading muslim comments, or judging the reaction to "Jewish atrocities". Islam itself sees itself as one singular army, and they will judge any action on that basis alone, unless it affects them personally. This view has always been a purely theoretical view, with little practical impact on the battlefield, because of the "but who gets to command ?" issue. But it's a hugely popular view for muslims, even moderate ones in America.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

mathmathrevolution (813581) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093473)

Actually my post demonstrates nothing of the sort since (a) I'm not Muslim and (b) you're response is just regurgitated anti-Muslim bullshit.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (2)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093333)

You may be right. But Iran is still about to execute someone for writing a program that uploads photos that someone else used to upload something that some repressive authorities found offensive. That is still the effed up story here. Your points may be valid, but that doesn't make Iran any less primitive or Islam any less disgusting.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093573)

He should have started a service called "MegaUpload" in the enlightened West instead.

At least in the West his right to be a nuisance to the ruling class would have been considered protected and sacred free speech.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093583)

Are you talking about the most recent Iraq War?

Oh yeah, because the world desperately needs ONE fuk nut country to cut the heads off infidels who would dare to write programs that up load photos. YES... yours is the reasonable POV...

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1, Insightful)

morari (1080535) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093697)

We must be destroyed and subjugated, and if we resist, we fuel your bullshit sense of victimhood.

Doesn't sound all that far removed from Christianity, now does it? I guess that's what they get for worshiping the exact same god.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092543)

Fuck you. When that piece of shit had a hand in the plot where explosives were placed in toner cartridges on planes bound for the US, you tell me how that's the same.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092653)

Except that the US is not ordering any drone strikes against programmers whose software is used on pornography websites. The US may have slipped from its founders' ideals, but we are not quite at the level of Iran.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1, Interesting)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093033)

The US may have slipped from its founders' ideals...

It certainly has. Imagine allowing Negros to vote, rather than enslaving and raping them!

I am grateful that we have grown beyond the "ideals" of the American "Founding Fathers" who foresaw an agrarian, slaveholding, class-stratified society. When we talk about freedom, let's not appeal to the Founders, ok?

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1, Insightful)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093681)

When we talk about freedom, let's not appeal to the Founders, ok?

No, lets appeal to the ministers of Antwerp and the Dutch East India Company, and the English Mercantile gentry who started trading in slaves. I, for one, have no problem appealing to those men. Jefferson in particular. He was an incredibly bright guy. Those men were products of their time. Dismissing them because for an institution that during their time was endemic AROUND THE WORLD is a bit short sighted.

reagan begs to differ (4, Interesting)

decora (1710862) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092329)

i notice you have a reagan signature. maybe you would enjoy his numerous speeches about the virtuous god-fearing mujahideen freedom fighters, and their battle against the godless communist aggressors in the 1980s? because there are a large number of such speeches. they are at the reagan archives, you can google them.

Re:reagan begs to differ (1, Informative)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092645)

...his [Reagan] numerous speeches about the virtuous god-fearing mujahideen freedom fighters

Don't forget the picture of Saddam Hussein and Donald Rumsfeld (one of the architects of the 2003 Iraq invasion and then special envoy of Reagan) shaking hands in 1983.

Re:reagan begs to differ (2)

Dave Emami (237460) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092867)

Don't forget the picture of Saddam Hussein and Donald Rumsfeld (one of the architects of the 2003 Iraq invasion and then special envoy of Reagan) shaking hands in 1983.

Funny, I could swear I've seen pictures of FDR sitting next to Mr. Gulag himself, Josef Stalin. If you're already in a conflict with scumbag X, and slightly-less-scummy-guy Y starts fighting him too, you might have to hold your nose and help Y in the short term.

Lefties and reality (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093035)

You're trying to convince "our ideology failed in the real world 100 times but in principle it's great" lefties by pointing out that the real world requires compromises ?

I love your optimism, man. Just love it.

Re:Lefties and reality (2)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093173)

Good point, but I'm not sure how that's any different from the right wing ideologies. On paper they sound good but in practice they lead to a fair amount of misery, too.

Re:reagan begs to differ (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093765)

By number of victims, Stalin was by far the scummier one.

You know what they say about hindsight, but maybe the right course of action for the USA in WW2 would have been to act opportunistic: stay out, let nazis and reds fight to the end, and only then swiftly move in to crush the weakened victor, whoever it is.

Re:reagan begs to differ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093103)

Not to whitewash the invasion (shouldn't have happened, at least not on the false pretext of WMDs) or the cold-war policies of the 80s, but shit happens over the course of 20 years... That some politician was shaking hands with some foreign leader (as friends only in having mutual enemies, and that only in a contrived way), and then going for an all-out attack so many years later... I don't think this is the first time something like this has happened...

Re:reagan begs to differ (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092787)

While your at history, perhaps you could also show how Robert Byrd and Al Gore Sr. both voted and filibusted the Civil Rights Act of 1963. We could also go on that it would have passed in the 30s if not for DNC opposition. And if your REALLY want to go back, slavery would have been outlawed decades before it was if not for the DNC opposing it.

Yea, you can go back and try and bash Republicans historically, but you will lose every time if you compare the GOP to the DNC historically.

Conservative Democrats (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093455)

We could also go on that it would have passed in the 30s if not for DNC opposition. And if your REALLY want to go back, slavery would have been outlawed decades before it was if not for the DNC opposing it.

Those were conservative Democrats. Most of them (huge blocks of Southern Democrats, in particular) changed to the Republican party during the 60s. They're still the same dirty conservatives as they always were, no matter what the party name.

Re:reagan begs to differ (1)

Dave Emami (237460) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093159)

i notice you have a reagan signature. maybe you would enjoy his numerous speeches about the virtuous god-fearing mujahideen freedom fighters, and their battle against the godless communist aggressors in the 1980s? because there are a large number of such speeches. they are at the reagan archives, you can google them.

Your post seems to be replying to its grandparent rather than its parent, so I'll assume you're saying that Reagan's speeches are incompatible with the former's statement about "Islam shaping up to be a modern day Nazi movement." The statement needs to distinguish between Islam and Islamism, true, but "this ideology is shaping up to be bad in general" does not contradict "these particular people who hold that ideology are good."

Re:reagan begs to differ (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093303)

i notice you have a reagan signature. maybe you would enjoy his numerous speeches about the virtuous god-fearing mujahideen freedom fighters, and their battle against the godless communist aggressors in the 1980s? because there are a large number of such speeches. they are at the reagan archives, you can google them.

The mujaheddin != the Taliban. Remember that there was a civil war raging in Afghanistan for decades before we went in. One side was the Taliban and their supporters. We supported the other side, those that were once the Mujaheddin.

Re:reagan begs to differ (1)

mathmathrevolution (813581) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093527)

We supported the other side, those that were once the Mujaheddin.

Osama bin Laden was Mujahideen and, yes, Reagan was a huge supporter of his efforts.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092341)

The US is far worse. In Iran, you know what you're getting. Americans hide behind the lie of democracy and fairness while murdering millions of foreigners in aide of a crude substance that waits beneath sand that does not belong to the United States.

How many people are labelled as "illegal" and deported? Wasn't the USA supposed to be a bastion of human liberty? Oh, only if you're rich, white, and not attracted to members of the same gender.

You may not like it, but at least "they" are honest with their intentions.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092523)

Then I'm sure you'll immigrate there and convert, Good riddance.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092587)

While in Iran, people attracted to members of the same genders don't have any problems because they don't exist (dixit Ahmadinejad).

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092669)

Don't be shifting blame here. We all know the USA is atrocious when it comes to human rights affairs, but unless you live in Iran and are ardently opposed to their own regime, you are hardly qualified to speak with such certainty.

That doensn't change the facts (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092807)

Execution does not fit the crime of making software that uploads images. The US government would not execute someone for doing this, and no government should, because the right to draw a breath is a basic human right which should only be denied in the most extreme of cases (which this does not remotely qualify).

Arguments about political or religious relativism do not apply, in this case, for several reasons:

1: We aren't talking about a fine, some community service, or a few months in jail. The stakes are much higher.
2: We aren't talking about a person who deliberately exercised civil disobedience while within a country that has such punishments, he was just passing through after having done something harmless in a completely separate country.
3: We aren't talking about laws that make a good attempt to balance the protection of safety and commerce against personal freedom; we are talking about the legislation of a code of morality based on ancient myths.

While it is true that all governments, including America, wrongly impose their own interests on others, it is also true that these laws are oppressive and backwards and entirely based on a religion that is equally oppressive and backwards. We are entering an era, as a species, where we will not be able to function while simultaneously abiding such deleterious nonsense.

People who are stuck in the past like this, to the detriment of those around them, should be ridiculed for it, and should be called to account for it. The harm they cause should be stopped.

Re:That doensn't change the facts (2)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093085)

Laws ? Made ?

You realize you just offended muslims, right ? According to islam, laws can't be made. (Actually it's more complicated than that, Christianity is the only branch of "abrahamic" religions that is (partially) OK with man-made laws. Partially, incidentally, is why we have the constitution-regular law divide)

You could even make the case that even atheists are against man-made laws. Certainly their philosophy doesn't agree with self-determination : you should just be rational, which means you only ever do the optimal thing, and going against that, that's just horrible. (of course it's mathematically proven that there never are any rational course of action (actually finding the optimal solution is impossible), so atheists are just shooting blind based on previous experience, just like everyone else, but as far as my philosophy coursebook goes, this doesn't seem to have been considered yet)

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093371)

The US is far worse. In Iran, you know what you're getting. Americans hide behind the lie of democracy and fairness while murdering millions of foreigners in aide of a crude substance that waits beneath sand that does not belong to the United States.

How many people are labelled as "illegal" and deported? Wasn't the USA supposed to be a bastion of human liberty? Oh, only if you're rich, white, and not attracted to members of the same gender.

You may not like it, but at least "they" are honest with their intentions.

You just proved my point. Thank you.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092541)

Islam is shaping up to be the modern day Nazi movement. Intolerant and bent on world domination.

If you read Slashdot enough, you would swear that the US is JUST as bad as Iran. No, I'm not kidding. There are people on here who will claim that the United States is just as bad as Iran when it comes to human rights issues and even try to argue this point.

Others will say that Christianity is the exact same as Islam, even though Christianity specifically forbids this type of killing.

The Dark Ages... ever heard that term? Or, maybe, the more recent Salem witch trials are more familiar? Bah, who needs killing anyway, when you can just rape all the children you come into contact with instead? Don't worry, they'll shuffle you around so you can keep touching little boys funny.

And, for the record, the US is worse than any other country. We're responsible for the killing of more people than anywhere else in the modern world. The evangelical religious right (or, more aptly, the religious wrong) ensures that it keeps happening, too, at the request of their buddies in the military industrial complex.

Go back to the rock you climbed out from under, and take that bronze age re-write of an Egyptian storybook with you.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092709)

I have heard of the "dark ages". Only problems: the "dark ages" did not happen. The most violent witch hunts happened during the enlightened "Renaissance".

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093813)

Salem witch trials

Wait, that's not Christianity. That's Protestantism.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (2)

ogdenk (712300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093917)

Others will say that Christianity is the exact same as Islam, even though Christianity specifically forbids this type of killing.

Really..... care to explain the crusades and spanish inquisition? Both religions are packed with hypocrites looking to twist the faith to fit their agenda. Both are evil and no longer necessarily have a right to exist much less wield actual power especially in a legal sense.

If idiots are willing to kill to prove their god is great, we should make sure they can meet their fairy tale hero ASAP. Both muslim AND christian.

Really, if someone says "mohammed or jesus is a homosexual and God does not exist" and you're willing to kill over such a statement, it must mean there's some truth to it or you're just looking for a good reason to be violent.

In my chosen belief system, Gods and mythical creatures do not exist. I would LOVE someone to try to stop me from saying as such. I enthusiastically exercise both my first and second amendment rights.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (3, Insightful)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092311)

It's not "shaping up to be". Islam has always been about forcing the one true view of god to everyone.
It's by definition intolerant and bent on world domination.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

Sique (173459) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092377)

So are all religions which are proselytizing. They see world domination as their goal. And they count every other belief or the lack of any belief as inferior. Christianity currently has about all of the most powerful countries on their side (with the exception of China), so Christianity can have a pretty laid back attitude right now. Islam is not in that position, so it tries more aggressively to gain power.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092427)

No, the difference is the word "forcing". In Islam, the unbeliever is sub-human and it is not a bad thing to rid the world him. Whereas Christianity teaches to show love to those who despise you. This equivalency argument is getting old. Not all religions teach the same things, even if their followers fall into similar patterns from time to time.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

Sique (173459) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093039)

Tell that to my ancestors, of which some have been convicted to death for not being christian enough.
Or as the christian religion says: Matt 7:20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093483)

21st century demands 21st century standards. Bringing up how bad the Christian world was 400 years ago is not a relevant point to make when we speak of Islam in the 21st century.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (2)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092473)

So are all religions which are proselytizing.

Islam is about dedicating your life to the worship of god, and following the law of god in everything you do.
Christianity (in modern times) is about loving and accepting others.

So I wouldn't exactly say that all religions are the same with regards to tolerance.

Christianity currently has about all of the most powerful countries on their side (with the exception of China), so Christianity can have a pretty laid back attitude right now.

Christianity barely exists at all. It's only a handful of old people around the world following the basic principles without any official government support.
In any case, they're not proselytizing any more. The religion is slowly dying out.
Good riddance. Two big religions to go still.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093219)

Islam is about dedicating your life to the worship of god, and following the law of god in everything you do.

*ahem* That statement is about as meaningful as "rationality is about doing the smart thing". The problem of course is what does "dedicating your life to the worship of god" mean ? There's an answer for that, of course : hisbah [wikipedia.org]

Translation (of the relevant arabic sentence):

Commanding right and forbidding wrong

Note 3 important facts :
1) nowhere does it states that a muslim has to do right and not wrong himself
2) the choice of verbs is not just a coincidence : it is not about asking, pointing out, or helping, it is about forcing
3) "right" and "wrong" are relative terms, obviously pointing to islam's view on the matter. So beating wives = right (under conditions x,y,z), helping orphans = wrong (under conditions x,y,z).

This is the central duty of any muslim : forcing (through talking "if possible", otherwise anything goes) others to abide by islam. This is what's meant by "dedicating your life to the worship of allah".

Christianity barely exists at all.

When was the last time you left your home ? As for dying out, Christianity has been declared dead several dozen times in the last 5 centuries alone. If you have any knowledge of history (merely comparing the sixties to the eighties might be a good first thing to do), you'll realize Jesus' commandment here is probably the wise course of action, and you'll reserve judgement.

The problem is perspective. E.g. it is beyond obvious that islam has experienced a ridiculous decline in Iran since the rise of the mullahs, but the question is : what's the effect of this ? Some studies say that islam's adherents in Iran are now 10% of the population at best (certainly true in modern parts of Teheran, doubtful elsewhere). Official statistics are equally ridiculous : 100% adherents. Similar problems exist for just about any ideology you might care to study.

Christianity is doubly difficult as it's still committed to a massive proselytizing effort that's bound to be working at least in some places.

And frankly, again given history, sadly I agree with Jared Diamond on this, and I think geopolitical realities will determine the future of religion, not some view that is considered "natural" by a privileged intellectual elite (now those are some views that have died out regularly in history). Islam is a "raiding" religion : it cannot prosper in expanding societies because raiding doesn't work where there's nothing to raid. Christianity is an expansionary religion : it will prosper most where people are building society up from nothing.

What matters for Christianity's spread is "the next America". I've travelled enough to realize that there are a few contenders, like China (doubtful, although it is certainly conquering it's neighbors, militarily destroying islam, confucianism and buddhism as it goes) and South America (ie. Brazil) (also doubtful).

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093393)

When was the last time you left your home ?

Very few of the people I know believe in god as depicted in the bible, even though a lot of them were baptised or married in a church, and are thus registered as christians.
Most of them haven't even ever read part of the bible.

From my personal experience, it's especially the case with people under 40 and even more so under 30. Additionally the more highly educated a person is the less likely he is to believe in god. I'm just inferring from that.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092641)

Take a look at the history of Islam. Mohammad specifically prohibited converting people by force. Two years later, armies under his command attacked a city (that he had a peace treaty with, by the way) and gave everyone a choice: convert to Islam or die.

Christianity started to be used as a justification for atrocities shortly after the Roman emperors converted. Islam was like that from the start.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (5, Insightful)

mathmathrevolution (813581) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092833)

In other words, there is no such thing as a true, fixed interpretation of a religion or ideology. Ideologies emerge from a surrounding geopolitical and economic reality and are always in flux with that surrounding geopolitical and economic reality subject to individual interpretation. It is bogus to say "Christians believe in X, and Buddhist believe in Y, while Muslims believe in Z." Distinct individual agents are constantly reinventing their interpretation of their religious experience.

Their is divide in human culture between those who believe in peace and those who don't. There are Christians and Muslims and Jews and Atheists in both camps, but the majority of people in all religions want peace. I saw this in my graduate program which had a good mix of Jews, Atheists, Muslims, and Christians in it. This was an educated crowd and everybody there wanted to get along. The trick for the human race is to not let our belligerent minorities set us against each other. They are eager to spark conflict and set us against each other for their own gain.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093225)

In other words, there is no such thing as a true, fixed interpretation of a religion or ideology

Well, it's hard to interpret Islam as anything BUT hypocritical.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (2)

mathmathrevolution (813581) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093587)

Whereas Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Communism, Capitalism, Feminism, Hinduism, Existentialism, Liberalism, and Conservatism are fixed ideologies and perpetually free of internal contradictions?

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093675)

Christianity started to be used as a justification for atrocities shortly after the Roman emperors converted. Islam was like that from the start.

Untrue. Christianity was started by Jesus Christ as a way to redeem humanity from sin. The Roman Emperor's didn't convert for over 300 years (Emperor Constantine) after Christianity began.

Islam spread from early on by force and by fear. Christianity spread by word of mouth. Yes the crusades had some awful things done in the name of Christianity. They were not justifiable. That does not change Christ's message of redemption and love.

Islam, to this day, continues to use fear and threat of force to keep it's followers in line.

"But these are written that you may believe[a] that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." - John 20:31

Re:Goodwin be Damned (2)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092751)

Can't tell if you're ignorant of world religions, or simply brain washed to the point where you think that Islam has been sunshine and bunnies from the start. Islam has been "putting people to the sword" in the "convert or die" type of way from the start. In Christianity, the regular people had their reformation already tossed off the yoke of the church, and more then one government did, from the simplistic to the grandest points.

But I'm sure your first point will be to try and argue that it was "christian aggression" that started the crusades too. Instead of muslims and the tide of islam mass-murdering people in Spain for nearly 300 years that did it.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092977)

Islam has been "putting people to the sword" in the "convert or die" type of way from the start.

As has Christianity, since it was made the official religion of Rome. Hinduism and Buddhism and Shinto have also been used to glorify violence.

Broad statements about "Islam" or "Christianity" or any religion with more than a handful of adherents are pretty meaningless. Sufi mystics are have as much in common with the dingbats running Iran as your local Quaker church has with the "Christians" who shoot doctors that perform abortions.

Mod parent up (1)

mathmathrevolution (813581) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093715)

Christians murdered people as soon as they got political power. Muslims murdered people as soon as they got political power. And during the few times in history when Jews managed to seize power, they murdered people too.

The lesson, in case this isn't obvious to you, is that ideology by itself confers no moral advantage whatsoever. Once a group has political power its principles are distorted to suite the needs of the elite.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1, Insightful)

poity (465672) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093855)

In Slashdot religion bashing threads, there is one thing that always stands out to me. When child-abusing Mormons, anti-abortion Catholics, or other anti-science Christians are getting a much-deserved pummeling, absolutely NO ONE raises their voice to blunt the attacks with "so are all religions", nor does anyone bring up Islam as a counter-argument of "this religion is not the only one". Yet in threads where outrageous things are done in the name of Islam, there are always a disproportionate number of posters who jump to its defense using this kind of logic.

For a supposed nerd community that's mostly atheist and presumably equal-opportunity when it comes to bashing religions, it seems some religions are offered more sympathy than others. It's almost as if some people here make the assumption that when one bashes Christianity, he/she must be a rational atheist, but if one bashes Islam, he/she must be a Christian. Why the bias?

Re:Goodwin be Damned (5, Insightful)

zarlino (985890) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092389)

Religions are often just a "cover-up" ideology for economical interest and can be interpreted in many different ways. From the peaceful mystical one to the nationalist and revolutionary one.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Tom (822) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093475)

That is a cover-up itself.

Religion has always been a tool for control and power. As far back as we have even guesses to the role of religion in society.

Claiming that religion is a victim of other interests is the hyena crying wolf.

Re:Goodwin be Damned (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092367)

Islam radicals are shaping up to be the modern day Nazi movement. Intolerant and bent on world domination.

Keep in mind these are radicals of a religion. ANY religious radical is dangerous. Same goes for Christianity. And worse yet radicals "feed" on suffering and fear of their fellow men. So bombing them does little. Of course obliterating everyone would help but that cure is worse than illness. Best thing against such radicals are higher standards of life. I read somewhere that one of Titanic projects for United states government was either turning Sahara into a breadbasket or going to the moon. I wonder how much different things would be if they choose the former.

If you read Slashdot enough, you would swear that the US is JUST as bad as Iran

That's a stupid thing to claim. However US is slowly sliding towards a totalitarian regime. It's not there yet but in a decade or two who knows?

Re:Goodwin be Damned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092705)

Mod parent up!

Stop interfering with other cultures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092285)

These noble savages have their own way of living.
We shouldn't interfere even in emotionally charged situations such as this. It's the white man's burden.

Confessed then took it back (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092303)

The guy confessed thinking they'd let him go. Later, when he realized he was risking his life, he took it back. How can people defend him?

Re:Confessed then took it back (2)

Anonymus (2267354) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092343)

Yeah, fuck him for not wanting to die. Wait, what?

Re:Confessed then took it back (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092385)

What I'm trying to say is that if you're actually innocent, don't confess. His confession makes him guilty in my opinion. It is the greatest evidence.

Re:Confessed then took it back (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092393)

Guilty of not wanting his family to die.

Re:Confessed then took it back (2)

zarlino (985890) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092481)

You should read about how Galileo Galilei confessed his supposed crimes and then wrote a great book reiterating his "crimes".

Re:Confessed then took it back (1)

Nugoo (1794744) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092909)

Are you familiar with the 5th amendment of the US Constitution? It's there for a reason.

Re:Confessed then took it back (0)

pla (258480) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092603)

Because he confessed to writing a fucking program, not singlehandedly causing the downfall of Islam in a modern, more secular world.

Seriously, I don't know why we put up with crap like this. I have a problem with our usual willingness to violate national sovereignty at the drop of a hat to kill people we don't like, but why the hell don't we just send in a black ops team to fetch this guy, and tell Iran "No, not yours. Get civilized, then maybe we'll let you play Cops & Robbers"?

And yes, I fully realize that I don't really speak from all that morally high-of-a-ground as an American - But if the UN could pull it off, I'd applaud them for taking our death row retards away from us, too.

Iran's many self-inflicted wounds (3, Interesting)

retroworks (652802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092317)

Brilliant. Excites young people in the Green Revolution, and provides massive disincentive to programmers and engineers. Atlas won't just shrug, Atlas will give Iran the middle finger on the way out. This is much more powerful than any international protest or letter writing campaign. But if the campaign spares the individual programmer's life in the meantime, it's still time well spent.

Re:Iran's many self-inflicted wounds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092703)

Atlas was, and always will be, a fag that pushes his cock up everyone's anus.

BTW, this should not be seen as an anti-gay thing, I kinda enjoy the thought of getting long things pushed up my rectum, but this Atlas thing always seemed more like rape to me.

Re:Iran's many self-inflicted wounds (0)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092991)

perhaps the only religious movement more odious than islamic fundamentalism is the free market fundamentalist libertarians and their prophet, ayn rand, peace be upon her

Re:Iran's many self-inflicted wounds (2)

retroworks (652802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093125)

Huh. Interesting. I barely read Ayn Rand... 28 years ago, in college. Her work did seem to capture how the Nazis and Stalin lost key scientists, like this Iranian programmer, by having zealots in charge. Didn't realize Rand references were troll food. Tough crowd.

Re:Iran's many self-inflicted wounds (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093821)

there is a certain strain of people running around, voting for ron paul, idolizing ayn rand, arguing for no financial regulation, abolishing the fed, etc., that are basically free market fundamentalists. a pseudoreligion whose central belief is that a market without any rules will somehow be more fair. i thought 2008 would take the wind out of their sails, since 2008 is what you get as the end result of deregulation that started under reagan, but they have delusionally marched on, saying 2008 was the product of big government

perspective (2)

deatypoo (1837038) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092333)

When we talk about Iran, we say that their government wants to control the freedom of it's people. In the United States, we say that laws "protect" the freedom of it's people. Maybe people forget where the laws come from? Every government is hell-bound on censoring the internet right as we speak, and there's little anyone can do with online posts, we cannot fight back with the weapons they control...

Re:perspective (2)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092365)

I dunno about this.
The European Parliament seem hell bent on protecting human rights lately, despite a barrage of 4-letter acronym pro-censorship laws.

Oh please (3, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092597)

I am quick to criticize the US government for drifting away from protecting our rights and freedoms, but there is really no comparison with a country like Iran. In the US, when the government considers establishing a national firewall, the citizens criticize the government without fear; in Iran, protesting the firewall that is already in existence can result in being arrested or beaten up by the police. The fact that we can even compare the US to an enemy like Iran, without worrying about angering the censors, shows you just how many freedoms we still have in this country.

As an American... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092417)

I support other countries in their endeavors to punish thoughtcrime. When a citizen of a nation rebels against his or her masters, the citizen is no longer a citizen, and deserves death.

It is reprehensible to think that your leaders want anything but the best for you, and to publicly state otherwise is treason of the highest kind. It offends me when ignorant fools try to spread lies and propaganda in order to overthrow legitimate governments. They do this only to create chaos and destruction. Their desire is only to seek power for themselves, but at what cost?

How many people have to die so these heretics can get their power? 10? 100? 1,000,000?

His plan clearly was lacking the logic of the 7 cubes of time, and in trying to see within the triangle, he exposed himself as the fraud that he is. Only by covering himself in the blood of his fellow conspirators can he prove his loyalty to the Iranian government and redeem himself. None shall be as weak as this man, for in doing so they will peer within the soul of Satan and go mad.

Iran or Syria? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092453)

Well, Israel's hoping to grope Iran's cunt in the next few months, but will Syria become destabilised before or after? It's all about hearts and minds, and that means highlighting a few individual injustices in their back yard while you turn a blind eye to what you've done over the past decade and what you're about to do.

Besides, this victim of the abomination that is capital punishment looks to have been an adult of average or above IQ, and we err against punishing light-skinned people who know the consequences of their actions in the US, right?

Hmm, futile efforts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092457)

Isn't Iran known for doing exactly the opposite of what it's told? Should try reverse psychology instead.

America would never kill a programmer for this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092477)

The Middle East is 1000s of years behind the rest of the world; look at how they treat women. TEAM AMERICA!

Re:America would never kill a programmer for this. (4, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092517)

Right, the American legal system would only destroy someone's life if they wrote a circumvention for a copy-right protection system.

Re:America would never kill a programmer for this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093581)

As bad as the US legal system is, bankrupting someone != executing someone, thus your attempt to draw equivalence falls flat on its face.

whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092537)

doesn't sound any worse than executing someone for selling drugs

Don't go to these countries. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092555)

It doesn't matter if you've got relatives there, or if the only archaeological remnant you want so see of some civilisation lies there, or it has the best undisturbed nature reserves... just don't go there. As soon as you go to such a country, your life is theirs. Before you go on holiday, check if your destination is a democracy with reasonable laws and institutions. If not, don't go.

Re:Don't go to these countries. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092927)

Damn it! Why didn't I read this before ventering into the untaimed wilderness known as Washington DC?

Re:Don't go to these countries. (2)

impaledsunset (1337701) | more than 2 years ago | (#39093825)

That's not a solution.

What about the people who live there? Should they simply leave? Unlike you, the mere visitor, they are living constantly there under the treat of the regime. Even if they are hostile towards visitors, there's less risk for you because your visit will be temporary, while an inhabitant is permanently there. A visitor to Iran, especially if they do their research before visiting, ought to be safer than a random member of their society right now. Many of them might choose to leave, but for most that's not an option. Neither the people who left, nor the people who decided not to visit, decrease the number of victims of the regime. It changes nothing.

And as for you, personally? You're unlikely to be the target. No need to be paranoid when you're safer than the people who live there. It's not worth to completely ignore a country because you are too afraid to go there. And, you know, the presence of visitors might somehow help.

I wonder how the RIAA/MAPP feels? (4, Funny)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092673)

I am guessing they are for executing anyone that writes a program to upload anything to the interwebs. I'll bet they even discussed trying to put this provision into ACTA.

Re:I wonder how the RIAA/MAPP feels? (0)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39092839)

Sorry, MPAA. On a similar note:

Q: What does DNA stand for?
A: National Dyslexic Association.

And the US has NDAA (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092717)

Obama (as will Gingrich/Santorum/Romney/Whoever replaces him) can have anyone killed anywhere in the world without due process, based on a secret court meeting in secret to assess secret evidence. Everyone involved has legal immunity.

Re:And the US has NDAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092777)

Not even a court meeting. Alawi was not even tried in abstentia. The Justice Department determined that it was not necessary.

Re:And the US has NDAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093701)

You're referring to al Awlaki and attempting to draw similarities between his case and Malekpour's. So tell us, how does creating a generic content upload program that is sometimes used for pornography incite violence against others?

Islamic Fundamentalism (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39092943)

This has gone on long enough. Once again Islam is proving itself to be the true enemy of basic human rights. Any country that follows this ridiculous farce of a religion should be dealt with accordingly.

riiiight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39093117)

in revolutionary iran, code executes you!

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