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Get a Glimpse At the Raspberry Pi Fedora Remix

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the what-if-one-came-with-every-display dept.

Operating Systems 50

TheNextCorner writes "What software runs on the Raspberry Pi $25 computer? This video shows some of the preparation of the software package, run from a SD card using the open source Fedora OS."

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I WANT MY PI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39109663)

I LOVE pie - and I love raspberries, I'm also a geek to the bone so all I can say I LUST for some good Raspberry Pi! I'm on the mailing list so yeah, first dibs!

Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (4, Insightful)

willaien (2494962) | more than 2 years ago | (#39109765)

I see some potential issues here.

Fedora isn't exactly known for being lightweight in the memory area. Nor are some of the programs they're demonstrating - firefox, etc.

I don't feel like a full blown desktop OS like Fedora is a good fit for the Pi. Maybe one of the more lightweight UIs like Xfce or Lxde, but definitely not Gnome or KDE.

I am looking, and don't see much indication from the article on exactly how stripped down Fedora is in order to work with it. If you take out most things that aren't necessary, recompile the kernel w/o unnecessary stuff (PCMCIA drivers on an ARM board without expansion options?), it could work well. Just don't expect Gnome or KDE. Think more like puppylinux or damnsmalllinux.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (2, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#39109885)

You know we have modules for that these days, right?
Stuff like pcmcia drivers only get loaded when needed.

Also it's not as if the Pi is the first linux ARM board out there. Some of us have been running debian on ARM for years.

Hell, I was able to run GNOME 2 over VNC from my Sheevaplug about 3 years ago. Configurable distros like fedora, debian, ubuntu and the other big names should be fine on Pi.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (1)

mitashki (1116893) | more than 2 years ago | (#39109921)

I don't feel like a full blown desktop OS like Fedora is a good fit for the Pi. Maybe one of the more lightweight UIs like Xfce or Lxde, but definitely not Gnome or KDE.

There is variety of desktop choices out there... all up to your liking. You can run only a window manager as well. Linux = freedom of choice.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39110209)

Maybe one of the more lightweight UIs like Xfce or Lxde, but definitely not Gnome or KDE.

Looked like LXDE to me.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (1)

supremebob (574732) | more than 2 years ago | (#39110517)

Using Fedora for this kind of scares me as well, since it's only supported for 2 releases. By the time you finish customizing the distribution to meet your particular application's needs, you probably have six months of OS support left. That's fine for garage tinkerers, but lousy if you're thinking of building a commercial product out of these boards.

Is anyone trying to use an alternate distribution for these boards like an Ubuntu LTS release?

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (1)

Eggbloke (1698408) | more than 2 years ago | (#39111033)

I though the original plan was to run Debian and it probably still will be one of the man distros on the Pi. Debian releases should be supported for a lot longer.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39111613)

screw that girly fedora crap huh?

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (1)

jp10558 (748604) | more than 2 years ago | (#39114139)

Maybe someone can port RHEL / CENTOS /Scientific Linux to this?

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39117167)

No, never! If they're starting from a Fedora basis they'll OBVIOUSLY be wanting to swap to an Ubuntu LTS!!!!!

One assumes, as you, that RHEL can follow pretty easily from Fedora. Ubuntu LTS, on the other hand, is a comment from a fucking MORON, of the type that fucking litters these fucking boards these days. Yes, they could put an Ubtuntu LTS on. Yes, that would take effort. They can put an RHEL (or recompiled RHEL) on instead. That would take fuck all effort if they've got Fedora already. RHEL is supported for years by the one of only two actually profitable Linux distributions - the other is still SuSE. Ubuntu would have died a worthy death many years back if they weren't being bank-rolled by an increasingly demanding sugar-daddy.

Why the sweet fuck would anyone put Ubuntu LTS on to show they can support something in the long-term, if they can just say "Err, we've got a conservative install of Fedora, and with three small tweaks... we've got RHEL which is supported by a respected, profitable company. That means it beats Ubuntu both ways, Canonical being neither respected nor profitable, nor, indeed, contributing fucking jack to Linux other than Unity. What's the uptake of Unity? Oh, yes, FUCK ALL of even Canonical's slavish devotees, all three of them that remain."

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#39111229)

YDL (basically Fedora / Redhat for the PPC) on the PS3 was hardly a speed demon. In fact it downright sucked at times. I see no reason to believe that another device with an lower powered CPU, and 128MB and 256MB RAM plus severely constrained I/O is going to produce a useful desktop. It might be okay at a pinch, coupled with a lightweight X11 client to serve a simple desktop but not much more.

To me the Pi would be more useful for apps like XBMC running over a command prompt where much of the work can be offloaded to dedicated hardware and the need for swap is eliminated or minimized.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39111525)

The PS3's hypervisor restricted complete access to the hardware. YDL could have run much faster if it weren't hamstrung by Sony.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#39112789)

The only thing that suffered in YDL was video performance and that could not be blamed for the fact that the experience paged to a grinding halt when you loaded more than a few apps. 256MB simply isn't enough to run a modern desktop on and once you hit swap you are constrained by IO performance.

I think Raspberry Pi will be great running standalone apps, possibly even a port of Android. It will stink as a desktop whether it has accelerated graphics or not on top.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (1)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 2 years ago | (#39111277)

I see some potential issues here.

Fedora isn't exactly known for being lightweight in the memory area. Nor are some of the programs they're demonstrating - firefox, etc.

I don't feel like a full blown desktop OS like Fedora is a good fit for the Pi. Maybe one of the more lightweight UIs like Xfce or Lxde, but definitely not Gnome or KDE.

Gnome itself isn't particularly memory-hungry (oh no, a couple MB wasted on PulseAudio and DBUS!), and Firefox is getting much better. I bet it would be usable on the 256 MB version -- at least, with a small number of tabs open.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39113427)

Gnome itself isn't particularly memory-hungry (oh no, a couple MB wasted on PulseAudio and DBUS!), and Firefox is getting much better..

Real embedded systems engineers talk about you behind your back if you waste a couple of KB. They will laugh at your face if you waste a couple of MB.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 2 years ago | (#39116263)

Real embedded systems engineers talk about you behind your back if you waste a couple of KB. They will laugh at your face if you waste a couple of MB.

And real embedded systems engineers will not be using this board. So they are quite possibly laughing even more at the tit who can't tell a Micro controller from a computer.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (2)

sensei moreh (868829) | more than 2 years ago | (#39111439)

Look again at the video - it's LXDE!

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (2)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 2 years ago | (#39113537)

Fedora has implementations of just about every major desktop / WM, certainly including Xfce and LXDE. It's not GNOME or KDE-only.

Note that this is a Fedora Remix, which is a term with a specific meaning:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix [fedoraproject.org]

Basically a 'remix' is a very liberal conception of 'based on Fedora' - it allows the inclusion of third-party packages, the modification of Fedora packages, and so on. Really, you can do whatever you like and call it a 'Fedora Remix'.

So in this case, they can certainly tweak things extensively to target a low-resource system. Note that Fedora has a very active ARM port and community, and we've had Fedora running on many low-resource ARM devices for quite some time. Fedora is not 'just' a resource-heavy desktop distro.

Re:Potential issues, regarding memory/cpu usage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39116161)

You clearly know nothing about Fedora. There are plenty of Fedora "spins"; you're not forced to use GNOME, not even in the standard version.

Can't wait for this to go to market! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39109781)

Have been watching this project with a lot of enthusiasm and respect for the project goals. This is going to be a game changer in terms of people in the developing world being able to have functional computers.

Re:Can't wait for this to go to market! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39117477)

Be serious. They're all going to be bought up by virgin American neckbeards who already have overclocked i7s with custom water-cooling systems. People in the developing world won't see shit unless supply in the States (and Europe I guess) is severely throttled.

Not surprised (1)

mitashki (1116893) | more than 2 years ago | (#39109785)

Works fine on HP netbook: Fedora16 on HP Mini 210 - Atom 1.66 GHz - 1 GB Ram 6-7 hours of battery time.

Re:Not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39109897)

Okay, so now we have a data point, Fedora runs on a machine with four times the memory and an Intel Atom.

Doesn't answer how well it runs on an ARM with 256megs and especially doesn't answer if it runs at all on the model 'A' with only 128megs.

Re:Not surprised (1)

mitashki (1116893) | more than 2 years ago | (#39109949)

I guess the full blown, full-featured desktop enviornment won't work that well with 128/256 megs. Will have to choose something lightweight like fluxbox/xfce. Haven't tested myself as I'm happy with the HP mini as it is.

Re:Not surprised (1)

Daemonik (171801) | more than 2 years ago | (#39109987)

Here at Orange forums, we're always happy to hear about your experiences and love of Apples.

Re:Not surprised (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 2 years ago | (#39110409)

Worse it's not 128/256 for the arm. The memory is split between arm and GPU and the minimum GPU allocation is 32MB with more apparently required for full GPU functionality. So on a model 8 you are talking a maximum of 96MB available for the arm and more likely 64MB

The pi will be great for some things but don't expect to be able to have tens of firefox tabs open like you can on a desktop.

Re:Not surprised (1)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | more than 2 years ago | (#39111223)

I'm not trying to dispute your claims, or belittle you in any way, but... how many people buy a $35 computer and expect to be able to have 10 tabs open in Firefox?

When you get to the point that the USB mouse and keyboard you have to provide probably cost more than the computer itself, you can't be too particular about how many tabs you can have open on your HD widescreen display...

Re:Not surprised (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 2 years ago | (#39113371)

I'm not trying to dispute your claims, or belittle you in any way, but... how many people buy a $35 computer and expect to be able to have 10 tabs open in Firefox?

I'm guessing the answer will be "too many", i'm betting the support forums will be hell for quite a while until it's documented just what the two pi models can and can't do

BTW "model 8" in my post should have said "model A", there is no such thing as a "model 8" pi

Re:Not surprised (1)

chmod a+x mojo (965286) | more than 2 years ago | (#39113065)

Well, you can boot a full Ubuntu ARM image alongside the Android kernel on a rooted (CM7) Nook Color ( 800Mhz base ARMv7, low 200MB or less RAM once Android is running ) and get acceptable ( barely... it is slow, think back to the P133 days or so... ) performance out of it. Some of the slowness is VNC overhead, but most of it is just plain lack of RAM and running 2 kernels.

TLDR: Linux on ARM can run fast enough for day to day crap, just don't expect it to be a speed demon unless it has specs like your average gaming rig.

Thats old news. F5 F5 F5. (0)

Barryke (772876) | more than 2 years ago | (#39109793)

I don't need to read that news here, i already refresh the Raspberry Pi website every 42 minutes.
(and on average, i open Slashdot once every 1337 minutes)

Re:Thats old news. F5 F5 F5. (1)

BisexualPuppy (914772) | more than 2 years ago | (#39110133)

That was so funny, back in the 90's. Now that's just lame.

Re:Thats old news. F5 F5 F5. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39111345)

unfortunately, ur mom was never funny.

Re:Thats old news. F5 F5 F5. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39113419)

A moose ate my mom once.

Not again..... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39109811)

To the OP

You know DARN WELL that the birdbrains in these parts don't appreciate snippets of Raspberry Pi news, it just reinforces their dogmatic opinion that its some sort of con-trick or vaporware exercise. Just don't tell the buggers anything until the hardware has been shipping for at least a month.

Ok?

Oh look... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39109823)

Raspberry Pi made another blog post. If only there was some way to find out about these outside of /. :(

Raspbery Pi? I thought.. (1)

Daemonik (171801) | more than 2 years ago | (#39109867)

Wait, this wasn't a commercial for GlobalScale GuruPlugs? But but, so much camera time!!

This has huge potential (1)

Enigma23 (460910) | more than 2 years ago | (#39110071)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

Re:This has huge potential (1)

psergiu (67614) | more than 2 years ago | (#39111919)

Yep - the official name for a [Beowulf] cluster of Raspberries is a Bramble.

Up next (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#39110539)

How to make a be Beowulf cluster of Arduinos controlled by a Raspberry Pi!

Re:Up next (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39111117)

No, you have that wrong. It'll be how to make a Beowulf cluster of Rasberry Pi's eaten by an Arduino.

Wait, what was I talking about? I feel like some pie.

Re:Up next (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39112041)

I'd actually quite like to see this.
You could probably make a decent number cruncher with an array of them.

A laptop with Arduino's and a Pi, generic monitor (no, PixelQi even), compact keyboard, custom battery solution. We hacker now. Now all we need is a 56k modem and we can be leet.
Storage, SD / USB / CF etc. hubs in RAID. Ultimate can-take-a-car-hit-and-survive protection.

yet another (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39110653)

Raspberry Pi ad from Slashtard

And can I *buy* one yet? (0)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 2 years ago | (#39111023)

No? I still can't, and yet Slashdot still spunks an article every few days?

Kindly please shut up about it forever, or until it's available retail without having to complete some sort of Neckbeard Challenge in order to purchase one, whichever comes first.

Re:And can I *buy* one yet? (2)

ctid (449118) | more than 2 years ago | (#39112383)

Slashdot isn't here for your specific requirements. Raspberry Pi is an interesting project and some people like to read about it. Therefore, why don't you just ignore articles about it, just as other people ignore articles that they are not interested in?

Re:And can I *buy* one yet? (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 2 years ago | (#39114495)

Therefore, why don't you just ignore articles about it, just as other people ignore articles that they are not interested in?

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:And can I *buy* one yet? (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#39112975)

Kindly please shut up about it forever, or until it's available retail

Yes.

Re:And can I *buy* one yet? (1)

Foxhoundz (2015516) | more than 2 years ago | (#39114227)

The first batch is set to arrive from the factory two days from now. There's no need to whine and moan about it.

Re:And can I *buy* one yet? (1)

ooshna (1654125) | more than 2 years ago | (#39115809)

You must be new here. Don't you remember Duke Nukem: Forever? Quite frankly I'm just glad its not another Apple/Google/Microsoft lawsuit bonanza.

Altoids Tin Feature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39113889)

There is no case for the Raspberry Pi. There's a lot of people who suggest using an Altoid's tin but unfortunately because they don't round the edges of the board, it will just barely not fit in an Altoid's tin [raspberrypi.org]

Re:Altoids Tin Feature (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#39119195)

so? Altoids tins are some of the worst boxes to work with

metal and electronics dont mix, so now you gotta half ass some insulation, and its shit metal which is a pain in the ass to even drill a simple hole that does not look like a rat chewed though it

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