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Playbook OS 2.0 Released

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the all-playbook-makes-jack-unproductive dept.

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Alt-kun writes "On February 21st, The Blackberry Playbook finally received its long-promised overhaul. Called Playbook OS 2.0, this major upgrade provides native email and calendaring apps, limited support for Android applications (the developer has to repackage the app for the Playbook), and a bunch of other features. There are some fairly positive initial reviews, although one can no doubt expect a lot of too-little-too-late naysaying from various quarters as well. The Globe and Mail article also contains this somewhat interesting note: '...until RIM began deep discounting ... the device languished way behind rivals such as the iPad in terms of market share. One recent report by Toronto-based Solutions Research Group, however, pegs RIM's share of the tablet market at around 15 per cent, a big jump after discounting over the holiday buying season.'" ZDNet has some screenshots of the new features, and El Reg has a piece on an interesting bit of the new software.

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Take note (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39125433)

10 and a half months after release, the Blackberry Playbook finally doesn't suck.

Much.

Re:Take note (1, Interesting)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125485)

10 and a half months after release, the Blackberry Playbook finally doesn't suck. Much.

Yeah - the option of using a BlackBerry phone's keyboard as an external keyboard for a tablet ... um, never mind. What were they thinking? How did a company that was leading this industry make so many bad decisions, even after others clearly exposed what a majority of the market wants?

Re:Take note (3, Insightful)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126137)

I think they were only leading the industry because their conventional, usable competitors hadn't yet been invented.

Re:Take note (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39127345)

it's pretty useful if say... you don't want to buy a keyboard (see every other tablet that exists)

Presentations. (2)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 2 years ago | (#39130007)

Works perfectly. Tablet connected to projector or large display via HDMI, drive display through phone at other side of the room. Screen works as a mouse pad, centre button works like nipple on a Thinkpad, keyboard works like a keyboard. Tested last night at home and in the office this morning. What's more, a document on the phone can be opened on the tablet.

This is a corporate or academic feature, but some of us work, you know, for companies or academia.

Re:Presentations. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39130833)

you're almost completely out of touch with the people that are on slashdot.

in the last few years the apple crowd have used their utter devotion and complete idiocy to chase away the kind of people that are likely to work.

apple kit is for mindless consumers that are quite happy to support huge evil corporations. why else would they have most of their customers in the US of A?

Thats it! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39125499)

I must alert all playbook owners......owner.....I wonder if Jim even still has it.....

I hate subjects (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39125503)

The fact that the Playbook didn't have native email (without tethering to a Blackberry phone) from the start speaks enormously about what's wrong with RIM (or RIM's management, to be precise). The guys in charge thought "this will increase phone sales since people will want email." Not only is that idiotic reasoning considering all the tablet competition, it's a shitty attitude to have towards your customers.

Make people WANT to buy RIM phones, not have to.

Re:I hate subjects (3, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125565)

Yup... "native email" as an important update feature is BAD NEWS - because it should have been one of the FIRST features in the initial OS release!

For critical basic features like this to be missing from the initial release, and to take this long (basically, when the hardware is becoming obsolete), is completely inexcusable.

Re:I hate subjects (2)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125743)

I did some quick searching and couldn't find it, but I thought Blackberry claimed the playbook did not have an email client due to security risks?

Re:I hate subjects (1, Troll)

Russ1642 (1087959) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125757)

No, that was the power button. They wanted to remove it because turning the device might expose users to a security risk.

Re:I hate subjects (3, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125803)

No, that was the power button. They wanted to remove it because turning the device might expose users to a security risk.

Turning it on would also expose RIM to ridicule.

Re:I hate subjects (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126043)

Yes this was the reason given as I think they could not secure email on the new Qnx OS as well as they could on the older Blackberry OS in time for release. However, the point was that maybe they should have waited until the product was ready. Many initial reviews have suggested that the product was rushed out to market which was only confirmed by the lack of feautures users thought were critical.

Re:I hate subjects (3, Informative)

spacepimp (664856) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126577)

From what I've read, the use of QNX necessitates an entirely new version (ground up rewrite) of BES server software to be written. So an enterprise will need one BES server for QNX devices and a legacy server for the legacy models. They haven't released a new version of BES yet, so they relented and used active sync on the device. They made a choice not to release the PB with email so they could build a new BES Server. Now the people who bought one could easily have had one with active sync, a year ago but that challenged their sunk costs business model. When companies atart finding reasons not to ship a tablet with email because it conflicts with their interests then they deserve to fail. The RIM backend passthru model of servers it outdated and expensive and will not scale well as people use more bandwidth.

Re:I hate subjects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128065)

I highly doubt the need for QNX / BES server splits. I would imagine that the client (residing on the device) needed some time to port over, but unless RIM made large changes to their basic security model, why would they need to rewrite the server software? That would be like writing Apache for IE and then re-writing it for Chrome despite both using the same protocol (HTML).

Re:I hate subjects (3, Insightful)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#39127643)

My understanding is that BES is locked down to one user = one device, so if you already had a BB phone accessing your email with BES, you couldn't "share" that account with another device.

Made total sense for all the years they've been around, until they decided to create the Playbook.

Re:I hate subjects (2)

accessbob (962147) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125849)

It was designed as a an accessory to a BlackBerry that could share the same data plan. It was designed that way to please their bigger business customers, and stabilize sales to them. That worked actually. The big problem was that their marketing department sold it as something it wasn't until today: a stand-alone tablet.

Re:I hate subjects (3, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126221)

No this was their fallback position when the reviews started coming in critical of the lack of email functionality. The fact of the matter was that adapting Qnx to be their OS would take years to do and Apple and Android already had sizable leads. RIM needed to release a product to compete; releasing it incomplete was the option they chose rather than releasing it later but complete (but still behind).

Re:I hate subjects (4, Informative)

accessbob (962147) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126539)

Well, I remember actually going to the developer days before the Playbook was launched, and applying for my free Playbook, and the whole tech presentation was about how it worked as an extension to your phone and why that was good for business.

The engineers seemed to know what they were making, and what their priorities were. The CEOs and their marketing department on the other hand were living in some strange parallel universe... I note that the CEOs have gone, and they are shopping around for a new Marketing director. I'm not surprised.

Re:I hate subjects (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126675)

In a perfect world they would have had years to adequately prepare the PlayBook. The engineers only had a year to get it ready for release so corners were cut to get it ready. Somewhere someone made the decision that releasing without native email to make an arbitrary deadline was better than delaying and releasing it complete. Someone else decided the best way to sell this was to say it was an "accessory." The fact of the matter was it was always designed to be standalone; there wasn't enough time so it was spun differently.

Re:I hate subjects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39126837)

...In a perfect world they would have had years to adequately prepare the PlayBook. The engineers only had a year to get it ready for release so corners were cut to get it ready. Somewhere someone made the decision that releasing without native email to make an arbitrary deadline was better than delaying...

Email is awfully popular. Couldn't they have picked a different feature to drop? Like maybe the touchscreen or battery pack?

Re:I hate subjects (1, Troll)

DontBlameCanada (1325547) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126371)

"Native email" means BlackBerry Messenger...

You could *always*run, gmail, yahoo mail, or any of the web mail clients on day one. The browser is/was powerful enough and flash compliant enough to "just work". No need for some stooge to write a custom app just to access your standard websites (and charge you $0.99 or more)... unlike another fruity vendor. In fact, several websites need to remove the PlayBook browser from their "mobile device" list and allow it to access the standard desktop-targetted site. This tablet is capable of rendering it without customization.

The various iPad app devs don't want you to know that. Their income is predicated on Apple continuing to fail to deliver a device capable of accessing the entire web. While Apple continues to deliver crippled hardware, they tie their users ever more tightly to cash-cow called the iStore. It's time for consumers to break free. Buy Android or other devices that DON'T lock you into the closed marketing machine.

Re:I hate subjects (3, Insightful)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126943)

No, "native email" means IMAP and POP3 to the vast majority of people. The general public buying a tablet expect to be able to use a desktop-like email client on their tablet.

Re:I hate subjects (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39130849)

You've gotta be kidding. The 'general public' has no idea at all what IMAP or POP3 are. They get their email from a website. I used to use Thunderbird with gmail but I haven't bothered in years. There just no need for it.

Re:I hate subjects (1)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39135545)

_NATIVE_ email. Goodness, people that get their email from websites won't care about native email support on the Playbook. People that do, expect IMAP and/or POP3. And probably Exchange too.

Do want you to know... there is a browser??? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128467)

The various iPad app devs don't want you to know that.

I'm an iOS app developer. I don't care, at all, about what anyone does or does not know about the Playbook.

I mean, you'd have to be an idiot not to know that any device with a browser can reach a web interface for mail - just as you'd have to be an idiot to think that's at all an acceptable solution for daily email use.

In the end, here's what you utterly fail to understand - I am not just an iOS developer, I am a MOBILE developer. Any mobile developer can, with a little adjustment, pretty easily move to another platform. I have half an eye out on WP7 to see if it gains traction for instance. Because I make money doing mobile development, that makes me MORE platform agnostic because I can and will simply program for the platform that I feel I can get the most return on. Currently that is iOS but the computer industry teaches if (if we are willing to learn) that nothing is forever.

Re:Do want you to know... there is a browser??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39131221)

never mind forever mr kendall, how about you take your slavering mouth-parts from around the pecker of steve jobs for a short while?

the douche-bag is dead, and deservedly so in the opinion of anyone that is appalled by child labor, invasions of privacy, restricting users freedom to do what they want with THEIR DEVICE.

and btw, great to know that it was his faith in holistic treatments that did the idiot in!!!!

Re:I hate subjects (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129667)

In fact, several websites need to remove the PlayBook browser from their "mobile device" list and allow it to access the standard desktop-targetted site.

I have a hard time believing there were more than a couple of websites that took the Playbook browser into consideration at all.

Re:I hate subjects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39130071)

The Playbook probably reports as a generic mobile browser, so gets the mobile sites. The stock browser on Android 2.x has the same problem, requiring that the user agent be set to desktop each session.

Re:I hate subjects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39127051)

Sorta like "Copy and Paste" being a major feature addition to the iphone a while back?

Re:I hate subjects (5, Interesting)

Nimloth (704789) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125775)

You're looking at it wrong. They didn't cripple it to sell more phones, they developped the product when they still had good market share in the mobile world and wanted to sell PlayBooks into existing BlackBerry accounts. It was a way to bypass IT having to manage another device and piggyback on the already-approved BlackBerries in enterprise (think FIPS approval, etc). They did not expect then that nobody would want BlackBerry devices anymore, and that it would be a major handicap to the PlayBook to not be able to function as a standalone device.
Short-sighted yes, malicious tactic I think not.

Re:I hate subjects (5, Insightful)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126669)

As someone who has a BlackBerry Torch and a PlayBook I can attest to how well the two are integrated. Once I had Bridge installed on my Torch and paired with the PlayBook you would swear there was a native email/calender/contacts list on the device (as long as the phone was close by). I really don't understand the hate on the device. It is an impeccable mobile device with arguably the best browser of any mobile OS. I haven't needed an app that wasn't available. I have several Android applications installed and they work flawlessly. I guess people need to feel good about their purchase so their put down the device they didn't get.

Re:I hate subjects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39127283)

I find it hard to believe that you could type this and mean what you are saying. It's pretty clear why someone without a Blackberry phone would have found the Playbook to be deficient.

Re:I hate subjects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128229)

Actually, 90% of the people I know use Gmail, Hotmail, and the like over the web. Most people don't know what the fuck IMAP and POP3 are. People using Thunderbird and Outlook (Express)? Minimal. I'm almost positive I'm the only one that uses this asides from one other person. They're ridiculously close (if not equal) to most desktop programs at this point (weak point: modifying attachments).

Nobody knows how to set up an IMAP/POP3 account, but they know how to type "gmail.com" and press enter.

As for the people who don't have a BB phone? They wouldn't miss out on BBM anyway.

Re:I hate subjects (1)

BigDogCH (760290) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129043)

The device was not intended for those without a Bb phone. For those that have one, it works quite well. When comparing to my wifes IPad, it stacks up nicely. Sitting by eachother surfing the web, the playbook seems to shine in many areas. The drawback is the smaller screen size, but it fits in my jacket pocket (a large internal pocket, but still a pocket) where she needs a backpack for her ipad. The only website that seems to work better for her is google maps. Not sure why, but it always locks up on the playbook. Most other sites seem easier to navigate on the playbook.

Also, having a 3G connection anywhere (so long as I have my phone) without needing a data plan, is pretty sweet.

When we travel, we take the playbook and leave the ipad at home. Even over wifi the playbook just seems to work better for most things...can't put a finger on it.

Re:I hate subjects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39131265)

this place is all about apple nowadays - the people that come here aren't interested in something that is functional or technically advanced.

they want the digital equivalent of a designer handbag and who are you to tell them they are wrong?

Re:I hate subjects (1)

sco_robinso (749990) | more than 2 years ago | (#39127003)

I think it was a purely a decision about getting the product to market ASAP. If it's taken RIM this long to get a native calendar and mail App out (and certainly under huge pressure and timelines internally, no less), then we might not have otherwise seen the playbook released until just now. Problem is, as anyone who's worked on the Duke Nukem forever product can surely tell you, you eventually have to release the product, because if you wait too long to truly 'finish' it, it's already 1-2 generations old by the time it hits shelves. Think about how even more lousy the playbook would seem if it were released now. Throw in Apple's expected iPad 3 launch in a couple weeks, and the playbook looks even worse yet.

In its defense, the playbook isn't half a bad device. Lack of native and 3rd party apps is a real downer, but otherwise it always seems to leave a pretty solid impression whenever I use it. It has a particular nice fast browser, and with flash of course.

Typical product from RIM - totally out of touch with reality.

Re:I hate subjects (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126727)

I suspect it went down like this. The tablet release date was set in stone and the email software turned out to be far harder to port than originally imagined. So RIM's plan B was to offer some functionality via tethering with a lame excuse thrown in that it was done for security.

The problem for RIM is they are pretty much known for one thing - email, and when their tablet implements some half assed kludge people will take notice. If they've fixed it in 2.0 then perhaps it's not too late to rebuild some bridges.

Re:I hate subjects (2)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#39127505)

Actually RIM's problem is that they have integrated the security into their devices so well people think it's easy and it's not. With the PlayBook RIM is using a completely new OS (to them...) that wasn't designed from the ground up with encryption/security baked in. QNX is a rock solid base to build on but adding the security piece without breaking other things isn't easy. The BB Bridge was a way to extend the phones features to the tablet with the security intact while RIM's programmers worked on the harder task of adding the security layer to QNX itself. RIM didn't do a very good job of explaining this to consumers. Which IMO is the main problem RIM has. They are lousy at setting consumer's expectations. Even with OS 2.0 they haven't solved the connection to the BES issues and are using ActiveSync to connect corporate email. I see some very interesting things coming out of RIM very soon. I just hope the market actually looks at what they are offering.

Re:I hate subjects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128641)

The Playbook is a peripheral for the Blackberry, not a stand-alone device. The complaint is like complaining that an external keyboard lacks email and a screen.

Re:I hate subjects (1)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129503)

I eval'ed it for our company a month after release. It could play Flash content (which our legacy stuff still uses), but that was about the only real selling point for it. My 2-year old iPhone 3GS handled truly basic and small PDFs 10 times better than the Playbook did (the PB actually *froze* for seconds at a time when trying to scroll these PDFs). But the boss declared the lack of native email/contact/calendar apps to be a deal-breaker.

We are a small company and only one of us has a Blackberry, the rest were iPhones or dumb phones. RIM obviously didn't want to sell their product to small businesses like ours, we obliged by not buying it.

To be fair, though, we ought to re-evaluate it now that PBOS v2 is out and addresses that deal-breaker.

UI looks like Qt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39125535)

too bad that their OS is not OpenSource and Linux-based.

Re:UI looks like Qt (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39126959)

It could be Qt: http://devblog.blackberry.com/2011/10/open-source-playbook-os/ (about half way down they mention having Qt). And the OS may not be OSS anymore or "Linux-based" but it is POSIX compliant. As far as I'm concerned that trumps what ever it's based on.

Re:UI looks like Qt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39127245)

Dude, Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 are POSIX compliant, too... It doesn't mean much these days! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX

Re:UI looks like Qt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128351)

I'm not saying POSIX has anything to do with the stability or suitability of the OS. But from a programming standpoint it is important. A debate about whether QNX or Linux is better for tablets would venture into monolithic vs micro kernel design and that's completely off topic(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate). Plus, app programmers don't care as long there is a standard for their app to run on both (ie. POSIX).

Playboy (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39125613)

I would like to point out that I only stopped to read this cuz I've misread "Playboy OS 2.0"

Re:Playboy (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129157)

I'm only replying to your comment because you mentioned playboy.

BTW, this playboy's OS is Arch Linux + KDE. :)

Good app recommendations? (3, Insightful)

silverpig (814884) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125619)

I got the Playbook yesterday and love it already. Bridge works great and the UI is very well thought out. There are some features that even to the iPad. When you type in a password field, the keyboard adds a number row to the top for example. That being said what are some good apps? I am using Lemma for my twitter client. Any other little gems?

Re:Good app recommendations? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125753)

Got one for my wife for Christmas for an incredible price. So far, we've been underwhelmed with the app choices ... there weren't very many.

Once we updated to 2.0 yesterday, there were a lot more apps, and several of them were clearly from the Android marketplace.

So, hopefully this will be the beginning of having more on it. I don't think she cares if she can fetch her email natively (since she uses gmail), but the lack of apps available for it were making it not much more than a web browser and something you could play a movie on an airplane.

This is Slashdot, right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39125763)

You could, you know, right your own:

https://bdsc.webapps.blackberry.com/html5/api

Re:Good app recommendations? (1)

rockypg (787998) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125781)

The whole problem is that there *are* no apps. The ability to run android apps was the mitigation strategy, but isn't going too well as noted in TFAs. You're best bet is to sideload android apps. Try http://www.playbookbars.com/ [playbookbars.com] for a whole bunch of unofficially packaged android apps.

Re:Good app recommendations? (1)

silverpig (814884) | more than 2 years ago | (#39127369)

There are a few good ones, and apparently 6600 android devs just signed up to develop for the playbook. it'll improve.

Re:Good app recommendations? (1)

Nimloth (704789) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125851)

Sadly no. I use Citrix Receiver but that requires the Citrix architecture in the background. Other than that no gems yet I'm afraid. The platform and hardware are nice, just waiting on the apps...

Re:Good app recommendations? (5, Informative)

Dzimas (547818) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126467)

First off, try Evernote (cloud note service) and Poynt (location based search). Taptu is probably the best blog/news aggregator for PlayBook. It's actually an Android app that runs within the new Android Player. Magellan Compass is a nice GPS navigation tool that uses Google Maps and integrates Yelp and Flickr. Box is a nice cloud storage solution for sharing files between the PB and other devices and your desktop. I think they offer something like 15GB free storage. GeeReader bring Google Reader to the platform. The free version has a banner ad on the bottom of the reading pane, but it's easy enough to ignore.

As far as free games go, PewPew is a quite attractive vector graphic shoot-em-up that's a great stress relief at the end of the day. Celestial Slingshot is another free game that's quite addictive if you don't mind accidentally launching dozens of ships into the sun.

Release of the Zinio reader is imminient, and I'm sure we'll see a flock of Android apps in the AppWorld in coming months. Ignore the wisecracks from the iPadistas - the Playbook is good value for $200.

Re:Good app recommendations? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39126579)

Spent mod points so have to post as AC, check out "GeeReader" if you use Google Reader for RSS, "Remote Desktop" if you want to RDP to your desktop using native MSTSC TCP 3389 with no additional software clients, there is "Telnet/SSH" which is basically PutTY compiled for Playbook OS, "ProInsights" is a very nice eye candy for your LinkedIn account (not very functional, but very cool to show off), "Book Reader" lets you open any ebook, including Kindle... for games - just look at the top rated tab in the new App World. Ok, I think that's it.

Playbook stability (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39125735)

I've had a playbook since they went on sale before Christmas.

Been very happy with the device. OS feels very smooth and stable. As a web browsing device, even for the 'age' of the hardware, I don't think any other tablet compares.

Wait for it... (-1, Troll)

GaratNW (978516) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125845)

And all 10 owners of the Playbook cheered.

Re:Wait for it... (2)

JRonin (2574371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39125983)

I've never heard this one before, thank you so much for this.

Re:Wait for it... (-1, Troll)

Dzimas (547818) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126501)

10 cheering Playbook owners beats 1 million iPad-wielding toddlers anytime. ;)

In your face! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39125875)

BOOM! Native Email Application! YOUR MOVE APPLE!

Re:In your face! (3, Funny)

steelfood (895457) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126461)

Apple's response:

Cut and paste.

Re:In your face! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39130485)

How's flash working for you apple?

PS. Cut and Paste has been around for a while on the PB...not sure what you were trying to prove there. Oh, but Apple said before that flash was a dead technology? Must be the same with Cut and Paste i suppose...

Re:In your face! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39131417)

no one uses flash anymore... ...youtube have stopped using it for their videos and html5 has really taken off, just look at how it has taken over the huge browser game market almost completely.

btw if you get a slight headache reading this then that's just reality distortion field getting to work on you. open your wallet for the next piece of plastic shitte and you should be ok

Re:In your face! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39134327)

no one uses flash anymore... ...youtube have stopped using it for their videos

That's "has," you retard. YouTube *has* stopped using it. If that's even true.

I don't believe this for a second (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39126017)

One recent report by Toronto-based Solutions Research Group, however, pegs RIM's share of the tablet market at around 15 per cent

No bloody way. I'd love to see some actual data on this.

Re:I don't believe this for a second (4, Funny)

haus (129916) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126531)

That would be 15% of the tablets owned by members of RIM's executive team.

Re:I don't believe this for a second (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39126589)

That sounds much more reasonable!

Re:I don't believe this for a second (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126583)

They based this on a marketing survey conducted in the parking lot of RIM headquarters. Still only 15% :-(

Re:I don't believe this for a second (1)

na1led (1030470) | more than 2 years ago | (#39127065)

It's Bogus, has to be. Last year, HP sold over a million Touch Pads and they still didn't reach 15% market share on tablets. Someone is fudging numbers.

Re:I don't believe this for a second (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39127945)

HP sold the TouchPads in the US. Playbook has 15% market share in Canada, according to the report.

Re:I don't believe this for a second (3, Informative)

Nimloth (704789) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128149)

This came out last week. It is based on a survey of 1000 tablet owners in Canada only. I'd say within 2-3% margin of error it sounds about right. I'm in Canada and we have sold a lot of PlayBooks, mostly to people who would have liked an iPad but couldn't justify the 400$ more it cost.

Still... (1)

LostMyBeaver (1226054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39132719)

I don't know much about the market in Canada, I know that often it's much like the U.S., sometimes more limited since many foreign vendors are just thinking about coming to the U.S. and haven't even considered Canada yet. This creates obvious lack of choice issues. But based on the pathetic sales of the Playbook and the enormous sales of other devices, it still seems strange. I would say that they had to limit their demographic further somehow. Like sticking strictly to people who actually consider a tie appropriate to wear in public (I mean other than to weddings and funerals). Maybe by going to a church of some type, even then that sounds weird since most of the guys I know who actually go to church use iPhones anyway since it's easier to listen to sports games on them while the tiny bluetooth earbud is hidden under their fluffy hair (and you thought the fluffy hair on men at church was just a weird jesus crispy thing... no it really has a purpose). Or maybe they camped outside of a Blackberry store and found that 85% of the tablet owners who came out were just trying to connect their blackberry to their iPad.

It just seems to me that it would be very hard in general to find 150 playbook users out of a genuinely randomly picked 1000 tablet owners. Of course, maybe a better statistic would be to compare active users as opposed to simply owners. Maybe at the low price they offered it, tons of people who had owned a Blackberry figured WTF? and gave it a shot before realizing they should have just saved up for the Samsung or the iPad.

I currently have 3 iPads in my house. Got one as a gift from my boss. Wife got one as a gift from her boss. Daughter won one in a "click here to win an iPad" thing. Would have never spent money on them, especially after using one for a year. It's pretty bloody useless. I do also have a Kindle (I think it works) and I have a Samsung Series 7 Slate. The Slate I packed up tonight, brought it downtown and met my nephew there and was teaching him C++ development using Visual Studio 2010 on it. When I needed a scratch pad, I switched to the PaintPlay app and just scribbled using my stylus on it. That's a tablet that actually does something useful. It's a damn shame the Windows 8 ARM tablet is going to suck so bad. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's cute and stuff that it'll look like the x86 version, but it won't run anything other than the same shit you find on every other tablet. When I look at the Playbook (including the new version I looked at online) I still can't figure out what form of utility value it offers AT ALL.

market share (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39126057)

One recent report by Toronto-based Solutions Research Group, however, pegs RIM's share of the tablet market at around 15 per cent, a big jump after discounting over the holiday buying season.

That's 15 per cent of the Canadian tablet market. One would figure they're doing much worse outside Canada.

Re:market share (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126315)

it's pretty much non-existant outside of NA(but so were their phones apart from middle-east too..).

Re:market share (1)

iserlohn (49556) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129267)

Blackberrys are actually quite big in the UK. The playbook has been doing well after cutting the price of the base 16GB version to 169 GBP.

Re:market share (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39136911)

The blackberry was never intended for the consumer. I think they lucked out with bbm making texting cheaper for teenagers and that resulted in a bump in market share. The playbook was designed as a corporate device, but marketing and management assumed teens would also buy a playbook. Obviously that never happened, it might have if they were the first to market like bbm. To my point, the numbers should only be looking at corporate customers since that is the companies target market in the first place. Any other statistic is not a good comparison.

It's 2003 all over again! (1)

Shag (3737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126469)

Haven't all other BlackBerry devices for the last nine years had native email? Kind of a glaring omission in version 1.0 of the PlayBook.

But oh well, I'm sure the few Canadians who got a good deal on them will be happy.

ARGH!!! Stupid MKV's! (1)

masteva (996554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39126619)

Happy - the playbook now recognizes MKV movie files Con - The have very few codecs for it so most of my stuff doesn't play correctly! And I REALLY want my subtitles (I'm an anime geek, so sue me!)

Re:ARGH!!! Stupid MKV's! (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39127471)

If you were a true anime geek you would learn Japanese. Please turn in your Anime Geek Member Card.

Re:ARGH!!! Stupid MKV's! (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#39127703)

Convert to proper MP4 container with AAC audio and plain text track subtitles.

Bang for the buck, when discounted (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39126929)

I picked up a playbook earlier this month, and am loving it [*ducks*].
But seriously, I had planned on getting a kindle fire for a cheap and light web-browsing, pass-the-time gaming, and music and movies for the kids. Then the playbooks went on sale and for the same price I got twice the memory (1GB RAM vs 512MB and 16GB SSD vs 8GB) plus font and back cameras.

Admittedly the apps aren't there for many people, but there are enough for me. Also, the browser is as good or better than many android tablets I've tried (with exception of Hulu which I can't get to work). I figure the number of apps will grow, but I'm stuck with the hardware (I use stuff until it's beyond repair, so I plan on 5yrs or so) for me it's a better investment.

Re:Bang for the buck, when discounted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39129089)

What's not to like? I got one coupla months ago on sale for $199, and updated to OS2 yesterday.
Superb browser, does video and flash, gorgeous screen, razor-sharp type, tablet built like a tank;
Many fun, entertaining and useful apps --new one is GEOrendr, zoom anywhere on the globe,
in topo, road, or satellite. . .

But what transforms it from a mere entertainment device into a useful Internet tool is the SSH app
(a port of Putty); with that I connect to my shell account at http://sdf.org and have a UNIX machine
at my fingertips -- or in my coat-pocket.

E-mail ? the marvellous pine (alpine) on UNIX;
web-mail on another account.

For short trips it saves me from lugging my laptop everywhere;
does everything I want or need. . .
 

Re:Bang for the buck, when discounted (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#39130699)

The PlayBook and Kindle Fire are basically cousins anyway. Quanta [gdgt.com] makes both of them.

As far as HULU it is HULU to blame as they have blocked the PlayBook from working on their site. You can try installing SimpleBrowser from App World. It lets you specify a user agent string HULU doesn't block. I simply use PlayOn [playon.tv] to stream HULU from my PC.

EXTRA EXTRA...read all about it (0)

ElitistWhiner (79961) | more than 2 years ago | (#39127989)

Copernicus heliocentric theory upsets the vatican RIM finds email at center of its world!

My take on it (too little far too late) (2)

line-bundle (235965) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129839)

I have the 64Gig playbook and I've been playing with the new OS. Here is my opinion.

RIM still has a lot of work to do. Their device still needs a lot of polish to just be on par with the iPad. Then they need to provide some earth-shattering software to make it worth buying.

One critical failure they have is that they do not have software "showing off" their hardware. Rumors have it that the Playbook has a GPS, compass etc. I have no way of knowing that. They have an impressive spreadsheet and word-processor. It doesn't matter because most tablets are consumption devices. They need to have a very good pdf reader. What they included is barely passable.

They need to improve their music player. I could rant all day about this but here are a few points. You can't upload by album. You can't list by album. You can play music on external bluetooth speakers.

I'm seething now. Let me stop

Re:My take on it (too little far too late) (1)

line-bundle (235965) | more than 2 years ago | (#39130091)

second last sentence should be "You cannot play....". Sorry rage got in the way

Re:My take on it (too little far too late) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39131961)

FYI, L2DP finally works in 2.0

Re:My take on it (too little far too late) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39150053)

The Music player in 2.0 certainly lets me browse by Album. Perhaps you want to sort the general "all songs" list by album?

As for uploading by album... I used iTunes to rip a CD from my parents and then set up the album information (it wasn't a public CD, just someone's recording for a limited group). Then I used BlackBerry Desktop Software > Media Sync > Music - to select the album (it connected to my iTunes library) and selected all the songs from it and "synced". The album art carried over. I'm not saying that the Songs application is perfect. But I know they're working on it.

Oh, external speakers, good point. I just paired my PlayBook to my w7 laptop and it moved audio output straight over.

Screenshots lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39130087)

Account description: sandm

Can we now filter ads in the browser? (1)

Herve5 (879674) | more than 2 years ago | (#39139585)

I was all for Canada in the beginning, but in OS1.0 I understood the security stuff meant no single app, nor of course any user, could tweak with the information flux 'system wide' to stripe ads for instance -- this would have to be integrated straight into a browser.
Anyone around having checked that in the v2.0 browser?

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