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PSVita Released In the USA and Europe

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the check-it-out dept.

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YokimaSun writes "Sony has today released the PSVita in the U.S. and Europe. The console comes with features such as dual touch pads at the front and rear, dual cameras at the front and rear, dual analog sticks, a 5-inch OLED screen, GPS, six-axis motion sensors and a three-axis electronic compass. The PSVita is Sony's attempt at stealing the thunder away from the 3DS but also bringing back the gamers lost to the likes of Android and iOS Devices. The PSVita in Japan sold massively on its first release week but since has struggled and sold less than the PSP. With this in mind sites like Amazon have been offering many different deals to entice people to buy the console. Can Sony stop homebrewers from taking over this console?"

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Released Today? (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39127957)

I have seen them in people's hands for a week now. One of the gamers here at the office had his in last friday showing it off.

Re:Released Today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128005)

That's what she said!

Sony lost me when... (2, Insightful)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128033)

...they removed the drive from the PSP. After spending considerable $$$ on games on those tiny disks, they made them unreadable and unplayable on their new hotness... and that was the end of my relationship with them.

Any console manufacturer that tosses compatibility in the trash is saying "hey, feel absolutely free to take a look at all the competition and see if there's something better!" at the very same time you're steaming mad at them for turning your investment into a waste.

Re:Sony lost me when... (5, Funny)

tysonedwards (969693) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128179)

Oh, but Sony is *letting* you re-purchase your PSP games for your PSVita at 15% off Retail (well, retail price at the time of original release of the title) for you to be able to download it to a slightly tweaked MicroSD card with a 300% markup!

They care about you, and want to enable you to continue to play the same game that you had yesterday... And to format shift your game, they are giving you a discount compared to needing to re-buy the same game over again! A discount!

They are doing *everything* that they can to make you happy, all the while helping their poor, defenseless developers who *need* to buy in at $12,500 / year to develop software for your game console. How would multinational corporations feed their children if they *didn't* charge you for continuing to use exactly what you had yesterday?

Re:Sony lost me when... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128479)

Blimming well cuttin' their own frowts, they is, an' no mistake.

Re:Sony lost me when... (3, Insightful)

sidthegeek (626567) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128757)

And the whole rootkit scandal was blown out of proportion! They were just trying to protect you from the evils of copyright infringement! Aren't they such great people?

Re:Sony lost me when... (2)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128293)

Maybe it can't even play original PSP games because of the different processor architecture, and including extra chips to fully support backwards compatibility would make it too expensive. If you want to play your old PSP games, use your PSP. I know it kind of sucks carrying 2 devices around but there are some considerations for making a device backwards compatible more complex then ensuring the same media type is used in both platforms. Also, this will probably cut down on piracy big time, as using proprietary media means that people first have to figure out how to read and write the memory before they even start to figure out how to run unsigned software.

Re:Sony lost me when... (3, Interesting)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128521)

Maybe it can't even play original PSP games because of the different processor architecture

Well, that would be an additional mistake by Sony; because, as I said, since their choices obsolete my investment, my choice is to wander off elsewhere.

If you want to play your old PSP games, use your PSP

Oh, I do. Bought and paid for. But when it croaks, as it inevitably will, it won't be replaced by a Sony device, you see.

there are some considerations for making a device backwards compatible more complex then ensuring the same media type is used in both platforms

I don't care. What I care about is that I have all these games that won't run. Sony chose incompatibility; they chose poorly: I choose to abandon Sony.

Also, this will probably cut down on piracy big time

I highly doubt it, but again, it has become irrelevant to me: Sony intentionally did me a large financial injury, and I decline to do further business with them.

Re:Sony lost me when... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128691)

"Oh, I do. Bought and paid for. But when it croaks, as it inevitably will, it won't be replaced by a Sony device, you see."

So by not replacing you are scrapping your investment yourself when you could replace the broken PSP with a working model (secondhand). Since you are not going to replace Sony has made the right decision

Re:Sony lost me when... (4, Informative)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128935)

So by not replacing you are scrapping your investment yourself when you could replace the broken PSP with a working model (secondhand). Since you are not going to replace Sony has made the right decision

Boy, are you confused. First of all, I might indeed buy a used PSP, but that does absolutely nothing for Sony -- they earn no income from it. Only the previous PSP owner receives my money. I'm certainly not going to buy any more UMD's -- the format is dying on the vine and the number of machines that can run them drops by the day, specifically thanks to Sony. Again, no income for Sony. Most importantly, if Sony had made the new machine UMD-capable and game-compatible, I'd have bought it no question. When it comes time to buy a NEW machine, it'll be from someone else, because Sony has lost my trust. And I should point out that the reason that they had my trust in the first place was that my PS2 ran my PS1 games, and my PS3 ran my PS2 games. It seemed that they understood the issue. And yes, I bought all three machines, though only the PS2 and PS3 are setup in the home (no need for a PS1, you see, though we still can, and still do, play the games.)

So no. Sony made the wrong decision. In every way.

Re:Sony lost me when... (4, Informative)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128749)

You are a moron. Sony has not, by this decision, affected your finances in any way. Lost opportunity is not the same as theft! They never hinted that you would have the ability to play PSP games on anything other than a PSP. They never promised or implied that the PSP would be manufactured indefinitely.

Choosing something else when your PSP gives up the ghost is rational, but your reasons are anything but.

Re:Sony lost me when... (1)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128945)

You enjoying playing with your straw man?

Re:Sony lost me when... (2)

theangrypeon (1306525) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129041)

I don't care. What I care about is that I have all these games that won't run. Sony chose incompatibility; they chose poorly: I choose to abandon Sony.

Sensible enough. That's what markets are all about. More power to you.

I highly doubt it, but again, it has become irrelevant to me: Sony intentionally did me a large financial injury, and I decline to do further business with them.

This is where you fly off the deep end. Sony intentionally injured you financially? what?

You realize that Sony is under no legal or moral obligation to keep selling the PSP or supporting the UMD format forever just so you could always rely on a replacement PSP if yours broke down, right? Especially when either wasn't all that successful from a sales perspective.

Re:Sony lost me when... (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128633)

nope.

It just lacks a UMD drive.

Re:Sony lost me when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39129215)

Maybe it can't even play original PSP games because of the different processor architecture, and including extra chips to fully support backwards compatibility would make it too expensive. If you want to play your old PSP games, use your PSP.

Different architecture? We aren't even talking about PSP-to-Vita here. Sony removed the UMD support from the PSP Go. That's not a different architecture at all. It's a repackaging of the same architecture as the PSP. So imagine if Nintendo had released the DS Lite but made it incompatible with half of the DS games already sold. That's exactly what Sony did with the PSP Go.

Re:Sony lost me when... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128371)

Microsoft put backwards compatibility above everything else for the better part of a decade, look how well that worked for them.

Re:Sony lost me when... (2)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128573)

Microsoft put backwards compatibility above everything else for the better part of a decade, look how well that worked for them.

As far as I know, the results of that effort are that they have the most OS's in place; the most commonly used office suite; and that software I compiled back in 1995 still runs fine, delivering me results without further work. Mind you, I'm running XP in a VM on my Mac now, but I *am* running XP, and I purchased it legitimately. Specifically because it still works.

So if you were being snarky... fail. And I'm primarily a Mac user.

Re:Sony lost me when... (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128629)

+1 Ironically Unintentionally Insightful

Re:Sony lost me when... (0)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129007)

"Nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded."

Re:Sony lost me when... (1)

MurukeshM (1901690) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129179)

Intel, guys.. talk about Intel.

Re:Sony lost me when... (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128465)

Define "investment" if you will?

I get that you have lost value. But to call it an investment?

Re:Sony lost me when... (1)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128819)

I put money into the PSP (several for the family), but I put far more money into UMD games. That money returns entertainment for all of us. It would return entertainment for much longer if compatibility were in place. However, the moment the PSP is replaced with an incompatible system, the entertainment value of that money drops to zero.

That is the sense in which I mean "investment" here.

When I have to replace the PSPs, since I no longer have compatibility concerns about the UMD (and therefore PSP) investment, my choice can be made even-handedly between Sony and anyone else, or no one else -- because my previous spending no longer has any leverage on my choice. And we can add to this a great dissatisfaction with Sony, so the odds are strongly against my choosing anything they might have to offer.

Perhaps it'll be easier to understand if I change context:

What if I bought a camera, and then a bunch of lenses for it. Then the camera manufacturer decided to make a replacement camera body, but that body couldn't use the lenses I'd purchased. First of all, the money I spent on the lenses... won't help me with the new body. At all. Second, I'm annoyed with the camera manufacturer. Third, when it comes time to choose a new camera because my original body no longer suffices for some reason, the lenses no longer figure in -- my investment (there it is again) in lenses has no positive leverage on my thinking, they can no longer work, so I am free to choose a camera without concern for compatibility, and you can be pretty sure it won't be the same camera manufacturer.

Re:Sony lost me when... (4, Insightful)

gnick (1211984) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129087)

What if I bought a camera, and then a bunch of lenses for it.

This is slashdot - We use car analogies. What if I bought a 1949 Ford and spent a bunch of money improving it. Then, just a few years later, Ford stops making replacement parts for it and my improvements are incompatible to remove and install in their new model. I could go buy the replacement parts used, but instead I'll boycott Ford.

Re:Released Today? (3, Informative)

tysonedwards (969693) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128081)

Sony decided to do a "pre-launch" in the US and EU at a 71% markup so that the early adopters could get it in their hands a week early.

Basically, shafting their own customer base who would stand in line on day one, but also creating two separate "stand in line" days, one for people whom money is not an issue and don't care the price as long as they get it now, one where the price is still significantly higher than any other handheld game console, but safely able to let their user base know "we aren't fisting you as much as we already did our early adopters!"

Re:Released Today? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128157)

And all for a product nobody wants.

Seriously, the same problems with the PSP now plague the Vita. It doesn't do what it needs to do. It has absolutely SHIT for battery life. The web browsing experience is a cruel joke.

And the one thing that drove gamers to buy them, homebrew that FIXED most of this crap, is what Sony spent their time trying to kill and threaten people about, much in the same way Sony threatened people for trying to put OtherOS back on the PS3 after it was removed.

Sony can go fuck themselves.

Re:Released Today? (2, Informative)

cornface (900179) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128239)

Here is a novel idea. Play the games you bought for the original PSP on the original PSP that you still own.

So crazy it just might work...

Re:Released Today? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128335)

Provided the PSP doesn't break, and provided you're willing to carry a separate device for each game you play because they're all exclusive to different platforms.

Re:Released Today? (2)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128995)

That is irrelevant. Seriously, the lack of basic, simple logic on this site is comically tragic.

Simple thought experiment: What if Sony went out of business without manufacturing a gazillion PSPs as replacements for current PSP owners until the end of time?

Re:Released Today? (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129093)

Actually, it does what it's meant to do very well: it plays games. Homebrew was, by and large, used for piracy, rather then legit homebrew. To cater to the homebrew folks, they have playstation suite, which is in a closed beta right now.

Re:Released Today? (1)

VIPERsssss (907375) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128159)

Does it run Linux?

Re:Released Today? (2)

tysonedwards (969693) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128255)

Actually, it does... But you wouldn't recognize it.

Sandboxing is enforced, signing is enforced, there are no remote administration packages installed, no local filesystem browser, it has forced updates that prevent you from logging in if you have not run updates...

Re:Released Today? (1)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128509)

RTFS. It was released in Japan some time ago. Your friend had one shipped in.

I'll use a Sony product... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39127961)

...when you pry one *into* my cold, dead hands.

Don't care. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39127965)

It's a sony.

Took me a half dozen times. But i finally learned... Don't do business with sony. You'll be sorry.

Lesser of three evils (3, Informative)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128451)

There's a reason why Nintendo is my favorite of the big three video game companies, and it's not just nostalgia. Nintendo isn't interested in crippling their own hardware in order to "protect" their own movie studio or their own music publishing business. They don't have a giant monopoly whose profits they're using to muscle their way into other areas of business. (Back in the day if you did something similar with gas stations it was definitely illegal.)

Nintendo may have done some pretty questionable things back when they were on top in the video game industry, but even then they were still restricted to the video game industry. Maybe if they'd expanded into other areas and became just as big as Sony and Microsoft then they'd be pulling the same kind of crap, but they didn't so they aren't.

Nintendo certainly has their own problems, but currently those problems stem from trying to force the game industry towards areas i don't especially care for and failing to butter up third party developers sufficiently. I'm "forced" to invest in Sony's console if i want new "old-fashioned" games like Disgaea, however in the portable arena the DS and 3DS have plenty of content spanning all genres, including the "classic" ones, so as long as i'm willing to accept alternative games in the same genre i can avoid Sony for this particular case.

But as usual these are my own opinions, i'm sure others think Sony is a great company and love the Vita.

Half-assed backwards compatiblity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128007)

Who cares with the system's lack of support for old UMD games. Sony has a program to let Japanese gamers /buy/ a digital copy of games they already own, but they aren't planning on bringing the program overseas. Which is just insult added to insult, frankly.

Re:Half-assed backwards compatiblity (4, Funny)

firex726 (1188453) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128177)

That's like most Sony stuff of late. Take a good idea but hamper it with BS restrictions and let greed get in the way, then blame piracy for the lack of sales.

Sane Exec: "Lets add backwards compatibility!"
Shill Exec #1: "But only via download services."
Shill Exec #2:"Which people must again pay for."
Shill Exec #3:"And only in the Asian market."
CEO: "Yes, that sounds like a winner men."

Re:Half-assed backwards compatiblity (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129123)

err, more like the UMD drive was wildly unpopular or adding the UMD drive would've been a pain in the ass on the engineering side.

I don't get it. Just a few weeks ago /.ers were bagging on the UMD drive. They get rid of it, not just in the Vita but in the PSP GO as well, and ... people are still bitching.

Re:Half-assed backwards compatiblity (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129143)

You don't have to pay again if you already owned the title digitally. It's only us who had physical UMD's who have no way of getting a digital version without paying for it. The problem is, how to let us with physical games get a copy, without having to worry about piracy? There are no CD keys for PSP games, and few would be willing to do a 1:1 trade, with the original getting destroyed.

Scathing Review (5, Informative)

sehlat (180760) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128013)

Apparently Sony is STILL letting the Hollywood Divisions call the shots, though. There's a scathing review here [aggrogate.com] .

Re:Scathing Review (3, Informative)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128055)

Letting them? Sony are a significant part of Hollywood, not to mention the second largest music company in the world.

Re:Scathing Review (2)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128107)

Ignore that, I just re-read the GP post and realised it meant the Hollywood parts of Sony. Me fail English.

Re:Scathing Review (0)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129153)

Review was pretty much tripe, to be expected of sony-haters. If Pirates hadn't screwed them over so hard with the PSP, and the ps3, the vita wouldn't be as locked down as it is.

So.. (1)

iONiUM (530420) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128041)

How long until the price drop? Maybe I should take bets.

Mildly frustrating but awesome hardware. (4, Informative)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128049)

I picked up one early. Got the 3G early Adopter's Bundle, which came with a free month of 250mb of 3G and activation, an 8 gig memory card and a free game.

So I've more than made up my losses for going 3G, but the damn thing decided to not power back on when I got to work and I wanted to check the status of it's charge. I searched around, found out you had to hold the power button for SIXTY seconds, then another 2-3.

That aside, the screen is BEAUTIFUL. I hope more devs aside from Kojima take advantage of the rear touchpad. Played with the interface a little. Very smooth. iOS smooth. I just hope owning this thing isn't the pain in the ass I fear it will be.

Re:Mildly frustrating but awesome hardware. (0)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128087)

Oh and the damn thing is huge. Barely fits in my coat pocket. You can fit an iPhone 4S in between it's analog sticks and still have room to spare.

Re:Mildly frustrating but awesome hardware. (-1, Flamebait)

milbournosphere (1273186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129081)

I just hope owning this thing isn't the pain in the ass I fear it will be.

Dude, Sony is the big black dude you see licking his chops as you walk into the prison community showers. I'm glad you're happy with your hardware so far, but this is Sony we're talking about. Nothing they've done in the past few years has shown anything but their desire to make money, often at the customer's expense. Prepare yourself, because that big black guy just put a smile on his face and, unless I'm mistaken (and I hope I am), is about to pound your ass hard.

Homebrewers will never learn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128075)

I still need to use Wine to get a game going in Linux and some homebrewer burns out porting all his homebrew games (again) to the next closed-fanboy-system whose producer might even sue for that.

So much fail. I have to stop thinking about it.

Which platform with buttons? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128253)

Say my team has developed a more or less feature-complete prototype of a video game, and I want to distribute it on an open platform. To which open handheld device with a directional pad and physical buttons, sold in stores in the United States, do you recommend that I port the game?

Re:Which platform with buttons? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128903)

Say my team has developed a more or less feature-complete prototype of a video game, and I want to distribute it on an open platform. To which open handheld device with a directional pad and physical buttons, sold in stores in the United States, do you recommend that I port the game?

At which point you slap yourself on the forehead and ask "why didn't I see what was available when I started?"

If you're a seasoned game developer, you can buy a Vita dev kit and get on with life. Or you can go buy a 3DS dev kit. Probably cost around the same, and both have very similar security and approval requirements.

If you're a new developer, you're SOL. If you've not got money, you'd buy an Android device and pay the $35 and live with what you can do with touchscreens.

If you've got some money and want to go after the market of people with money to spend, you'd go iOS, and treat the whole Apple experience as a grand introduction to the world of console development, simplified (basically Apple doesn't put up security requirements unless you get preproduction hardware).

In the old days, if you wanted to write a game, you were forced to do it on a PC (or Mac). These days it's a lot better - you also have Android and iOS devices to do your game on, as well as Xbox360 (Indie Arcade).

Now, you can possibly try the DS - Datel made basically a R4 card and sold it at Best Buy for playing indie games...

Re:Which platform with buttons? (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129181)

Look into the playstation suite SDK. You should be able to make the game once, and publish it for anything that can run the suite (vita, cellphone, tablets, etc).

Can Sony stop homebrewers from taking over this.. (4, Insightful)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128079)

Can Sony stop homebrewers from taking over this console?

More important question -- will Sony stop getting in the way of people wanting to make games and thus make themselves relevant again? Can you imagine how much different the Android and iOS situation would be today if Apple and Google were trying the "make life hell for developers" strategy?

Re:Can Sony stop homebrewers from taking over this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128123)

You do remember the Betamax, right?

Sony doesn't have a great history with not shooting themselves in the foot by locking down their stuff.

That said - I completely agree. The questions shouldn't be "Can Sony stop homebrewers", it should be "Will Sony make peace with homebrewers and see them as a viable and important community."

One of the main selling points I bought a Wii a few years ago was BECAUSE of the Wii Homebrew channel.

The Catch-22 (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128279)

will Sony stop getting in the way of people wanting to make games

I've been told that Sony stops getting in the way once you've 1. released three commercially successful games on Microsoft's Windows platform, Google's Android platform, or Apple's iOS platform, and 2. moved out of your home office into a dedicated office.

Re:Can Sony stop homebrewers from taking over this (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129205)

I keep having to mention this, but they are already way ahead of you. the Vita supports the PlayStation suite, which is an android framework for game development. You should be able to use that to prove ones worth, then move up to PSN games or even full vita games from there.

Not USA (1)

sandman71 (95834) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128103)

It wasn't released in the USA, it was released in North America.

Yes USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128333)

It was released in the USA. Even if it was also released in other countries in North America, its still true.

Re:Not USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128339)

So it was released in the USA - and some other countries.

None of those are important though.

Re:Not USA (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129013)

It wasn't released in the USA, it was released in North America.

If you really want to post at +2, you'll have to do a lot better than that. Try using the phrase 'walled-garden' or 'rounded-rectangle', then you'll be rolling in karma.

LOL (5, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128115)

also bringing back the gamers lost to the likes of Android and IOS Devices

LOL. The good news is, you've got a joystick. The bad news is, the games cost $40 instead of 99 cents. Couldn't be more "sony" of a product, especially the non-usb usb cable. How sony of them.

Re:LOL (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128347)

LOL. The good news is, you've got a joystick. The bad news is, the games cost $40 instead of 99 cents. Couldn't be more "sony" of a product, especially the non-usb usb cable. How sony of them.

I'm seeing PS Vita games for as low as $15. The high point of $40 is far from the only price for a PS Vita game.

Re:LOL (1)

tysonedwards (969693) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128519)

Not sure where you are seeing an actual game for the PSVita for $15!

I am seeing DLC available [gamestop.com] for $15, but not an actual game...

Re:LOL (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128585)

http://www.pricecheater.com/product/playstation-vita-little-deviants?source=googleps [pricecheater.com]

(No association with them, never used them.)

Re:LOL (2)

tysonedwards (969693) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128759)

Yes, you can get a $15 one-time discount on a single purchase from a highly questionable website in exchange for being registered to a pay service at the price of $16 / month. Sounds like you've found a real winner right there!

Re:LOL (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129191)

Yes, you can get a $15 one-time discount on a single purchase from a highly questionable website in exchange for being registered to a pay service at the price of $16 / month. Sounds like you've found a real winner right there!

See? A sony product.

Re:LOL (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129223)

Escape Plan, Plants vs Zombies, and Super Stardust Delta are both $10 and $15 full vita games. Larger games start at about $25 on psn or $30 in stores.

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128571)

People don't buy the Vita with proprietary memory to play $15 shovelware ports from mobile devices, where they're sold for 99 cents.

AAA games are going to be $50, linked to your PSN account, and you will lose trophies when you trade/sell them on.

Gamer households will not be able to use the Vita and games like the PS3s. They will need two Vitas and two copies of the game, plus each will need that grotesquely over prices proprietary memory card. I.e. once the hardcore PS zealots, tech junkies and early adopters have dived in in the early days, sales are going to tank. The ancient PSP is now outselling the Vita on their home turf. Not a good sign.

Re:LOL (1)

masteva (996554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128529)

Add in the fact you have to buy THEIR memory cards and you are 100% Sony!

Re:LOL (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128587)

Not to mention that these Andorid and iOS devices are things people are going to buy anyways. If you are going to shell out hundreds of dollars for a device...
1. If it is a phone, then you can justify it as useful to daily living.
2. Does it have business/educational usage.
3. How well supported is it and will it last me enough time for me to get sick of it.

Finally how well does it play games.

Android and iOS doesn't absolutely suck at games. For the most part they fill the void that games do, help you pass the time, and have some fun. A dedicated mobile gaming system, isn't really that popular anymore, not because the competition is better at games, it is because the other devices are good enough, and good enough at other things too where a dedicated device will stink at.

Proprietary USB?! (2)

Radical Moderate (563286) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128801)

Sony you are dead to me. Still. Although I'll keep watching my 10 year old 30-inch Trinitron THAT WILL NOT DIE!!

Ya well, may be a reason for the price (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129047)

In my experience, most phone games aren't worth more than $1, and many are overpriced at a dollar. They are very simple little games. Now that's fine, and indeed what I want for my phone. When I'm waiting at the doctor's office or something I want a game I can play for a bit and set down when needed.

However to pretend that they are in the same league as $40-60 computer or console games is silly. 50 Android games would not give me the same entertainment as one computer game does. Quantity doesn't out do quality always.

Good luck to them. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128201)

If the sales in these 2 regions don't do well, they will seriously need to consider the same action Nintendo took with the awful sales for 3DS, instant price cut and reward those who bought early. (otherwise face being hated by them, of course they'd likely do that anyway)
Sadly, it seems the whole iPad generation really did hurt gaming. Not so much consoles, but certainly the handhelds.
The poor sales in Japan might just be that Japan are going off handhelds, it might not be the same over here. I guess we will see when the numbers come in.
One thing they need to do especially is drop the damn price for those memory cards. Those prices are insane, especially if they are hoping people will download.

Good luck to both of them. I don't want that trash iPad ever becoming a winner. It is terrible for any serious gaming. It has the precision of a firehose with a spray nozzle. It works brilliantly with a very small subset of game control schemes, but fails terribly in everything else simply because of its size, the fact you need to grip with either one hand or the other and that there is no feedback.
PSV is actually a really good mix of control schemes that could cover everything, but it sadly came at such a point where the industry might be going through a huge change...

Why? (1)

Gazzonyx (982402) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128247)

FTFS : "Can Sony stop homebrewers from taking over this console?"

Why would they want to do that? It doesn't cost them anything to let people hack on it.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128321)

Homebrew is a euphamism for piracy. Anyone that says otherwise is a liar, or plays shitty games.

Must make shit before making gold (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128365)

Budding video game developers still need to make games that Anonymous Coward considers "shitty" while learning to develop less-"shitty" games, just as budding writers' initial output falls into Theodore Sturgeon's 90 percent crap.

Re:Must make shit before making gold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128463)

I'm the AC above.

I play tons of Indie games on XBLA and Steam. They're made from budding designers that I'm happy to support. These new designers have plenty of outlets for practice and commercial success.

To date I've never seen anyone play a homebrew game on a PSP or other modded console that wasn't at best a tetris tech demo. They're either loaded with emulators, or just plain pirated games from that console. I'll be happy to see some links to good homebrew games for a console, if you're willing to supply some.

Re:Why? (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129243)

Actually, it costs them a ton. Piracy killed us publisher interest in the console, and in the later years, it was almost entirely Japanese developed games. It was a massive problem here, and one of the big reasons they locked this one down.

Can Sony stop itself? No... no they can't (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128287)

Sony just can't stop screwing itself over... the last news is that Sony will NOT be offering the service available to the Japanese to turn UMD discs into downloadable games. The reason? Low sales... piracy off course.

So... who is affected by this? The pirates? Non-Sony customers? No. They are not affected. ONLY paying customers who bought Sony products are affected by this, punished to either carry two consoles or re-buy their games at near full price.

Sony is already way behind in the west so to combat this, they provide less service to the few customers they managed to get. Either this shows an amazing disconnect with the real world by Sony exec's or they don't mind sending the message "If you buy our goods, you must be stupid enough to pay twice for the same game".

You might think Sony would have been warned to provide an amazing experience after the failure of the 3DS. It wasn't just the 3D element, it was that the device was a throwback compared to the DS XL and just didn't offer a smooth or indeed even better experience then a mobile phone, let alone a tablet. Look at the 3DS again, the screens are amazingly bad considered against the latest phones. They aren't worse then previous gameboys but those didn't have any other devices people ALREADY will have in their pocket anyway.

My prediction is that the Vita will fail even harder then the PSP. The line up games are again very slim pickings with some of the bigger games still not realizing that a MOBILE games is played OUTSIDE and that therefor the display needs to be extremely clear because a sudden ray of light while in a dark area can ruin the game. In normal PC/Console games such dark moments are called atmoshere, outside they are called "I can't see a fucking thing" and then your avatar dies.

Early GBA games required you to write down a very long hex key to "save" the game... game companies seem to barely have moved on from this... except android/ios game makers. Do you know WHY angry birds is such a success? Because you can easily start it, easily resume it. If the crappy controls cause a miss, you can easily restart with no punishment. The game would do EVEN better if you could skip levels. I never bought it because I never made it past a certain point so what is the point of buying even more levels?

Mobile games have to fun, easy to play, fast to start, playable on the go and in changing light and not punish the player for having to suddenly stop playing or even accidental input. And they should be cheap.

Sony hasn't gotten any of this right. The hardware looks okay but so did the original. And as said, this time there is a LOT more competition, competition that is often consider a MUST have (can you really exist anymore without a cellphone?). What about people without a smartphone you say? Right... they do exist but if you think the overlap between (refuses to buy a smartphone) and (wants to buy a fairly expensive handheld game console) is very large... well you must be working for Sony.

LOL! Foaming At The Mouth Fanboy Rants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128485)

80 million PSPs

The PS3 is the top selling console in the world while being the most expensive.

The PS3 is the third fastest selling console in history.

Sony has been unable to keep up with demand for the WiFi Vita in Japan.

And BluRay beat the shit out of Microsoft and Toshiba's garbage HD-DVD format and is now the industry standard.

What's that fanboy? Still running your mouth off?

Re:LOL! Foaming At The Mouth Fanboy Rants (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128723)

Citations needed, fanboy

Re:LOL! Foaming At The Mouth Fanboy Rants (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128743)

>80 million PSPs

73 million actually, less than half of the DS excluding the 3DS. Not bad, but get your facts right.

>The PS3 is the top selling console in the world while being the most expensive.

Garbage, the PS2 was. The PS3 didn't take off until it had two big price drops, and really didn't get into its stride until the slim hit.

>The PS3 is the third fastest selling console in history.

More trash. Wii, PS2, 360 sold faster, let alone the DS's rampant figures. Many early PS3 owners were for blu-ray, not games. Attach rate was very poor for the first two years. That means no money for Sony and disappointed game developers.

>Sony has been unable to keep up with demand for the WiFi Vita in Japan.

Totally false. The PSP is now outselling the Vita. After the initial early adoption for new tech, Japan sales are in the gutter. Sony are shitting themselves and are desperate for the West to not only show early big numbers, but for some sustained sales. Which isn't very likely.

>And BluRay beat the shit out of Microsoft and Toshiba's >garbage HD-DVD format and is now the industry standard.

More shit I'm affraid. Blu-ray is a multi-brand consortium, of which Sony is a member. It took an enormous bribe for WB to come over to blu-ray to end the pointless format war. Had that cash not been handed over, HD-DVD would have been the movie format on the shelves. WB was the tipping point, it was just a matter of the licensing to expire to close HD-DVD.

>What's that fanboy? Still running your mouth off?

Touche!

Re:LOL! Foaming At The Mouth Fanboy Rants (1)

Lord_Jeremy (1612839) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128811)

The PS3 is NOT [wikipedia.org] the top selling console in the world. Of the current generation consoles, it's the worst selling. Overall, the PS1 and PS2 are the top selling, but that was a very different time.

Re:Can Sony stop itself? No... no they can't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39128607)

You might think Sony would have been warned to provide an amazing experience after the failure of the 3DS.

The 3DS didn't fail. It started off slow but has since become Nintendo's fastest selling handheld ever.

It wasn't just the 3D element,

The 3D has gone over very well except for a vocal minority that complains about any 3D. If you read Slashdot comments, you'll think everyone despises 3D. If you check movie ticket sales, you'll realize that 3D is a huge draw.

it was that the device was a throwback compared to the DS XL

What's that supposed to mean? Are you complaining it's not as big as the XL ? The XL was never the mainstream DS model, it was a specialty model. It's primary draw was for the older crowd mostly buying the DS for games like Brain Age. It was basically intended for people with bad eyesight.

and just didn't offer a smooth or indeed even better experience then a mobile phone, let alone a tablet.

If all you're looking for is something at the level of Angry Birds, sure. If you're looking for something deeper than that, I think most people would argue the opposite.

Look at the 3DS again, the screens are amazingly bad considered against the latest phones.

Only if you have no interest in the 3D. If you're playing with the 3D on, the depth adds more than a higher resolution would.

Try playing a game like Super Mario 3D Land. The game looks far better with the 3D on. The depth not only adds to the visuals but the gameplay - it's far easier to land jumps and judge distances with the 3D display.

Re:Can Sony stop itself? No... no they can't (3, Interesting)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128747)

You might think Sony would have been warned to provide an amazing experience after the failure of the 3DS.

Small nitpick: The 3DS has not failed, it's actually doing quite well. The launch was screwed up.

TacoBell Winner (3, Funny)

modestgeek (1449921) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128295)

The only reason I have one is because I won it from TacoBell. I can't even use some of the features because I don't have a PS3. None of my old PSP games will work on it (even the downloadable ones). None of my friends with a PS3 are interested in buying it from me at half MSRP... :(

http://unlock.tacobell.com/?utm_campaign=PSVita2012 [tacobell.com]

Re:TacoBell Winner (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129265)

Are you not able to use the content manager to transfer files back and forth, or redownload things straight from PSN onto your console?

In Soviet Russia, kit roots YOU!!! (0)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128343)

Can Sony stop homebrewers from taking over this console?

Shouldn't the question be "can homebrewers stop Sony from taking it over?"

Re:In Soviet Russia, kit roots YOU!!! (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129283)

Screw pirate scum. they all but killed the last one with their rampant greed and entitlement complex. Ether buy your games, or do without.

Hmm (1)

V_Vedra (2422310) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128523)

Cormen and Rivest

Amazon decides to send me the game first (1)

misosoup7 (1673306) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128627)

I got my PSVita game and accessories last week from Amazon and just got the console today. Can't wait to go home and try it out. It's like Amazon did that on purpose to say, you should gotten the early launch bundle :/

No I'm not a fanboy, just an early adopter. I also purchased the 3DS the day it was available. I have a Wii and a PS3. No xbox because I'm not buying a system just to play Halo, and I suck at FPS anyway. OK I guess I could buy an xbox for Fable, but I was too addicted to WoW at the time to play anything else. Seriously I didn't even touch my Wii and PS3 for like an year and a half. >_>

Lost to iOS & Android? (2)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128661)

Maybe those platforms created gamers out of those who didn't play games before, but I don't think there are that many gamers that were lost to iOS and Android.

Is Sony joking? (1)

rogueippacket (1977626) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128755)

Either the author is seriously mistaken about Sony competing with iOS/Android, or Sony is joking. Take at look at the prices of those handheld games - they're full price, some at $50 USD! Since everyone and their mother (and grandmother) already has an iOS device, there is no way Sony will claw back any revenue lost to the army of 99c Apps. Maybe from the Sony Devoted, but I can't see anyone dropping their iPad to buy a Vita (yet another gadget) when iOS delivers a mobile gaming experience already.

Re:Is Sony joking? (2)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128975)

If price of games was the only differentiating favor in a gaming platform, nobody would play anything other than Solitaire and Minesweeper. The platforms don't compete with each other any more than a thirty year-old Datsun competes with a modern Ford Focus or either of those compete with a Ferrari 458.

Re:Is Sony joking? (1)

Bumbles (2573453) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129049)

The larger screen and the input pads could make a difference for some players. There are still plenty of folks that would use a dedicated gaming device and a smart phone due to wanting separation of devices. If one knows that they need a 50% reserve power on their phone for calls, emails, or texts that they need to make before they will be able to charge it again - and are near 50%, gaming on the phone is not an option. There are situations where a dedicated gaming device is a viable product. There are risks involved with this as the pool of these folks is shrinking - and those with the cash to have two devices shrinks that pool even more.

GPS? (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39128897)

What the hell does a handheld gaming console need GPS for?

These things are being made by one of the most EVIL technology companies out there: SONY

You do the math. Have fun having your movements tracked...

Re:GPS? (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129019)

MGS: Portable Ops rewarded you with unlockables depending on where you used the GPS to find unlockables. Near a 7/11? Unlocked a special edition new recruit. Etc. etc.

Handheld is supposed to be done outside. Having GPS makes sense.

Re:GPS? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129147)

Believe me, I love hating on Sony, too. (i.e. I am NOT purchasing a Vita just because they retroactively removed a feature of the PS3.) But, seriously dude, this one ain't gonna gain any attention. Sony's touting multi-player, making GPS available for that actually makes sense.

Skype phone (1)

slyrat (1143997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129039)

This actually really interests me because it will have skype availability along with a slew of other apps. Having this as a potential phone along with the potential for great games is certainly tempting.

mirc sohbet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39129141)

thank you

Day 1 PSP owner here (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39129211)

Ive had one since they came out and I wouldnt touch the Vita at that price. $150, tops. Sony is going ot have a hard time fending off Kal-El at that price. The ability for a smaller (then Sony) company to roll their own console has been radically increased in the last few years. Asus says they are bringing out a 7" Kal-el 7" tablet for $250. At that price point, ANYONE can roll a console as powerful as PSVITA, AND PsVita is going ot be stagnant hardware for the next 5 years. The market is COMPLETELY different then it was at PSP launch. They have a very tough road ahead.
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