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Microsoft Killing Off Zune, Windows Live Brands?

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the if-at-first-you-don't-succeed dept.

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suraj.sun writes with this excerpt from The Verge: "Microsoft appears to be killing off two of its key user-facing brands with the upcoming Consumer Preview release of Windows 8. Windows Live applications have been rolled into preinstalled apps that work as the core 'Windows Communications' applications for Windows 8, and this lack of Windows Live branding is only the tip of the iceberg. 'Microsoft Account' will replace Windows Live ID in Windows 8, and the software giant has also removed traces of Zune from its Windows Store, Music, and Video applications, although Zune Pass functionality remains."

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Great (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151151)

So now we have that annoying Bing Bar in desktop mode and the annoying family safety program that slows your computer down even if you do not use it

Re:Great (4, Insightful)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151195)

You know real nerds can just disable unwanted services.

Re:Great (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151209)

Yes. It's called installing Chrome or Firefox.

Re:Great (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151229)

Chrome and Firefox both integrate with the family safety API on Windows just fine....

Re:Great (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151295)

So take a trip to services and regedit.

Re:Great (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151393)

My point was installing Chrome or Firefox does nothing to help with the "problem" of having the family protection service running.

MICROSOFT! (0)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151579)

Please ABANDON ME!

My GOD! The first times they copied Apple and Google didn't work out exactly as planned, so they hide the corpse, and try THE SAME THING AGAIN!

Re:Great (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151551)

Yes. It's called installing Chrome or Firefox.

No, it's called FDISK

Re:Great (2)

Ouchie (1386333) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151319)

You still have the ability to configure the windows install. In Windows 7 it is in the add/remove programs you have a link that says turn windows features on or off. I'm in the middle of something right now and don't want to reboot to 8, otherwise I'd see if they moved it. I would figure that Billy Gates would know this, maybe you could ask Stevie Balmer.

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39152073)

Right, like using services.msc or going into the Add/Remove Windows Components.

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151251)

If you don't intend to use it, then don't install it?

It's a suite of applications for a variety of users with different needs. Uncheck the software that doesn't suit your needs at install time.

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151627)

Oh yes, It's just that simple!

Except that so many of us buy Laptops and Desktops which are pre-installed with garbage, and even the Factory Restore Disks are locked into the BIOS, and only run a pre-configured immutable install script, that is designed with copy protection to prevent sharing and piracy.

Oh but wait, they don't even provide factory install disks anymore. Now it's an opaque, locked-down UEFI boot partition that can only dump a restore image or get DBAN'd.

So then! What becomes our option? Oh! Ohhhh... ho ho ho! Guess what. Don't like it? Then march your ass down to the store and shell out an extra $200.00 bucks for the privilege of controlling your very own private and precious Windows intallation.

Is this not accurate? Please explain how.

Re:Great (3, Funny)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151683)

I don't see the problem. If you like Windows, you should be happy to pay $200-500 for a fully-featured copy that allows you to control the installation and not have it loaded with crapware from Norton et al.

If you don't like that, I suggest you look into alternatives. Personally, I think MS's prices are much too low, and that they should jack up their prices.

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151959)

The problem is that I already paid for the Windows license when I bought the fucking computer. It's *MY* license. I already paid for it. It didn't get bundled in the package for free.

The only reason people even buy locked-down Windows machines simply because they are cheaper than locked-down Macs. They don't buy a PC because they like Windows. Nobody *likes* Windows.

Honestly, I hate Macs for the exact same reasons, but when it comes down to it, the only difference it that they're prettier and more expensive.

So, if I have to shell out an extra 10% of the original purchase price, just to gain control over the contents of my own hard drive, fuck it. I may as well buy a Mac. They cost the same, and suck the same, at that point.

Re:Great (3, Informative)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152293)

You didn't pay for a "Windows" license, you paid for a license for a version of Windows that is configured in one particular way and loaded down with a bunch of shitware. What you're doing is like buying a Chevy Aveo (with a big discount in exchange for having ads pasted to the side of the car) and then complaining that you didn't get a Corvette.

Macs are more expensive partially because they're not loaded with shitware. The shitware makes a big difference in price; that's how the mfgrs are able to sell you a laptop with Windows for less than the same laptop with Linux (which itself is free): your cost is being subsidized by all the pre-loaded shitware. By being forced to spend $300 or whatever for a fully-featured Windows license, you're only being forced to realize the true cost of the software. Of course, the preloaded Windows versions also frequently have various limitations that the higher-cost versions don't, hence the "Starter" edition which only lets you run 3 programs at a time, etc.

Comparing a shitware-loaded OEM Windows version to a Mac is apples and oranges. If the version of Windows you want ends up making your system cost as much as a Mac, then that shows that Windows isn't, in reality, any cheaper, it only appears that way when you use crippled versions and/or various vendor marketing deals that subsidize the cost.

Back to the classics (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151185)

I miss the minimalistic approach of Windows 7 where it came with barely anything, Windows 8 is starting to turn back into Vista but with a horrible UI.

Re:Back to the classics (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151275)

I miss ur moms minimalist approach to mah dihk

Re:Back to the classics (0)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151285)

One of my friend was Gung-ho bullish on MS last year. I could get him to see past the BS.

Then info on Win 8 started to come out.

His sold his MS stock late last year.

Now he see MS the way I do.

In 5 years I think Windows is about to go the way of OS/2:
Stable but who the fuck cares, it sucks.

Re:Back to the classics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151405)

Considering MSFT's stock being up 20% this year - a lot of people think you are wrong.

Re:Back to the classics (1, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151487)

Considering MSFT's stock being up 20% this year - a lot of people think you are wrong.

BEEEP Lack of context penalty!

Why is MSFT stock up 20%? Is it irrational exuberance? Did they shave unproductive brands/divisions? Cut workforce? Move more workforce to countries where workers are paid a fraction of high western wages? Give some background to defend your assertion.

Re:Back to the classics (3, Informative)

sed quid in infernos (1167989) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151623)

What's to defend? The price has gone up. MS stock is traded in relatively high volume. Therefore, a significant portion of the market (read, "a lot of people") think that denis-The-menace's assessment about the future of Microsoft is wrong. The reason why lots of people think MS's stock is worth 20% more now isn't relevant to the question of whether lots of people do, in fact, think that way.

Re:Back to the classics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151681)

Or is it a simple pump-and-dump scheme at the beginning?

Re:Back to the classics (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151807)

Cut workforce, moved a lot of stuff to other countries, and most important - it's because they're hugely profitable and pay a regular dividend.

Investors like profits, but they LOVE dividends, especially in this economy.

So when it comes to OS vendors, we have Apple being the most profitable, Microsoft at #2, Google at #3, and RedHat at #4.

Any distro except RedHat running at a profit? Canonical? Nope, never did, never will. Mandriva? Struggling to stay out of bankruptcy court. Suse? Dependent on another $100 million of "license purchases" over the next 4 years [geekwire.com] since it was purchased by Microsoft's new BFF Attachmate. Fedora? Supported by RedHat. Debian? Survives on donations, not really enough to pay for staff. Mint? Thanks to Canonical dropping the ball, Mint actually now has two paid full-time staff!!! [lxnews.org] .

None of the distros, with the exception of RedHat, is something that an investor should put serious money into. And that's unfortunate, but it should tell you that fragmentation is a disease, and maybe Canonical closing up shop sometime in the next couple of years will wake people up.

I guess this means (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151243)

we shouldn't expect mobile products from MS with names like "Zune Messiah" or "Children of Zune" either.

Re:I guess this means (2)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151481)

There was a Zune mess alright, but no Zune Messiah.

Re:I guess this means (0)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151505)

we shouldn't expect mobile products from MS with names like "Zune Messiah" or "Children of Zune" either.

In Soviet Russia Zune cancels YOU!

Re:I guess this means (2)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151665)

No, but I hear they're working on a new eReader, codenamed "Chapterhouse Zune"

Re:I guess this means (1)

sehlat (180760) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151705)

It also means that "Zune Buggy" will no longer be an oxymoron.

Re:I guess this means (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152041)

Microsoft's new mobile player has a portal to an alternate plane of existence and is called Zuul. Mind the ectoplasm.

Re:I guess this means (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152111)

Which is kind of funny, since "Messiah" is Hebrew (transliteration) and Zune in Hebrew sounds a lot like "FUCK" (crude term meaning fornicate)

Re:I guess this means (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152211)

Wonderful. Now you've given me a horrible mental image of Steve Ballmer as the Baron Harkonnen.

How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151265)

How can anyone invest themselves in any Microsoft product when they change branding/strategy/support so much? Even if a product manages to stay around over 3-5 years, they give it an overhaul and change the way it works so people have to get used to it all over again. .Net, Live!, PlaysForSure, Zune, Silverlight, among many others, and they also drop support for older file formats and push half-assed standards over established certified ones.

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151417)

What are your options here?

Apple, does the same thing.
Google, does the same thing (beta...).
Oracle? You better have a *LONG* service contract and it will cost....
IBM? You better have a *LONG* service contract and it will cost....
Linux sometimes your lucky if the GUI stays the same for 6 months with some distros... You can use a LTS version but those are usually 3-4 years themselves...

None of them do the same thing (1, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151645)

Come on, none of the examples you give work. Google might kill something occasionally but what is still there doesn't fundamentally change identity every few years. Apple keeps development stuff around forever, just building atop it.

Someone who used Oracle five years ago probably wouldn't have any trouble starting in on Oracle again today. Linux, I can still use a WM I used 20 years ago if I feel like it...

Re:None of them do the same thing (4, Informative)

vux984 (928602) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152047)

Apple changes things at pretty much the same rate...

iTools - Originally launched as a free collection of internet services for users of Mac OS
Then "relaunched" in 2002 as a paid subscription as ".Mac"
Then "relaunched" again in 2008 as "MobileMe"
which it discontinued offering, and will kill in 2012 entirely
as it herds everyone over to its newly launched "iCloud"

I'd say Apple is pretty much exactly the same thing.

Re:None of them do the same thing (5, Insightful)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152219)

Apple changes things at pretty much the same rate...

Exactly! Remember when they completely shut down iTunes 5 years ago?

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151753)

Yep, the GUI thing is a big problem with Linux these days. Your best bet is to pick a good KDE distro, such as Linux Mint KDE, Mageia, OpenSUSE, Chakra, etc. KDE's finally worked out most of their performance and stability problems, and the GUI is traditional and easy to learn for anyone coming from Windows, unlike those other new abominations. Unfortunately, it's the crappy GUIs that get most of the press in Linux-land and also the two most-popular distros push them, though one of them seems to have lost a lot of users to Mint because of this lately.

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (1)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152153)

Seriously? I *Hate* the new KDE4 UI. And I was a huge fan of KDE3. What's with the scrolling "start" menu? I just want a list of apps to run. Then there's all the clutter in dolphin. The newer builds of 4 are faster and less crash-y, but the UI is bloating up pretty badly.

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151445)

I have never come across an old Microsoft file format that doesn't open in a newer version of it's program. I agree with you on the changing branding/strategy and half-assed standards, though. Microsoft seriously needs to hire the companies that market/advertise for companies like Geico, Apple, etc. and just let them do their thing. Microsoft's ad campaigns are always very...awkward to put it nicely. I guess it just reflects the company's culture.

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151513)

Awkward is to put it lightly. I still cannot stop laughing at the fact they ran an advertising campaign in Poland based on 'yo momma' jokes. I mean, there was a competition even!

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151793)

I think it reflects on Ballmer himself. He probably personally approves all their ad campaigns, and rejects any that are actually decent, which is why we don't see them.

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (1)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151811)

Try opening an old MS Works file in anything other than MS Works [wikipedia.org] .

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151893)

Who the hell uses MS Works?

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (1)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152195)

It came bundled for "free" on tons of low end machines in the late 90's. I'd say half of the college students I helped at the university help desk used it for writing papers. I'd imagine there are still a lot of Works files floating around.

Re:How can anyone invest themselves in MS? (1)

swb (14022) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151745)

I use and support MS server products as a consultant, and I actually make this point a lot to colleagues that want to use what I'll call "fringe" features of their products.

While they may seem like a magic bullet for some problems, I always worry because many of these features are poorly documented, leading to confusion about how they work or whatever resource limits or capabilities they really have, and more importantly, what happens when the feature goes away and you need to migrate to some newer release of the software?

Not only are you stuck with a potentially manual process for migrating data to some more mainstream but potentially less "slick" feature, it may require the organization to change some business process to accommodate the now-missing feature they have used previously.

The last part is the worst, as I work with customers who cling to software & software features that have been discontinued because "it's too expensive" to switch to something else, "this is how we work" or some other reason. Seldom if ever do they acknowledge that should this system die, they won't work at all. One client has a software package that has been abandoned totally (source vendor has been out of business for 4+ years) and if the Windows XP system its on crashes hard, they lose the ability to manage 35% of their assets (app is on floppies, and somehow the app won't install except with a physical floppy drive....if the floppies are even readable.).

Ding Ding the witch is dead! (1)

WarlockD (623872) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151267)

Kind of saw it coming though. Windows 8 is kind of make or break for Microsoft right now in the phone/tablet market right now. No reason to have any other products to distract consumers with. I wonder if Windows 8 will have an emulation layer for x86 on the ARM.

Re:Ding Ding the witch is dead! (4, Informative)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151377)

I wonder if Windows 8 will have an emulation layer for x86 on the ARM.

Nope. [msdn.com]

Re:Ding Ding the witch is dead! (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151383)

As a mobile platform win 8 isn't bad.

Re:Ding Ding the witch is dead! (1)

GeckoAddict (1154537) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151391)

I agree. Microsoft has been very divided in it's products for a very long time (to the point where you even wonder if products were made by the same company), and it looks like Win8 is where they're looking to consolidate into a single, cohesive brand. The problem with that strategy is if it doesn't work, you've got nothing to fall back on.

Re:Ding Ding the witch is dead! (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151815)

to the point where you even wonder if products were made by the same company

They weren't. For one thing, many or most of their products are actually acquisitions from other companies: Powerpoint, Excel, etc. were all from acquisitions. Secondly, internally, MS operates as a bunch of smaller competing companies, with various department heads constantly backstabbing each other rather than working together. It's amazing they get anything done in that environment.

Re:Ding Ding the witch is dead! (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151687)

Windows ARM is their strategy to mimic Apple and their level of unapologetic control. Win 8 ARM is where their DRM dreams for general computing will be fleshed out and brought to life. I imagine at some point before Win 8 or very soon after, Apple will introduce an OSX/iOS merged product, and the wheel will turn again.

at least (1)

aahpandasrun (948239) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151297)

At least Microsoft Account is a better name than Windows Live ID. Windows Live was just a poor attempt at cashing in on the popularity of the Xbox Live name. Sony, on the other hand, loves to add more words to obfuscate their product names (Sony Entertainment Network Account)

Killed? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151313)

There's a difference between killing and rebranding. Aside from the Zune hardware I don't see a single thing I would consider "killed" by Microsoft. And I'd even accept that idea that the Zune isn't being killed but instead reintroduced in a slightly more integrated format.

What about Games for Windows Live? (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151331)

So, is Games for Windows Live being renamed as well?

What is it now? Games for Windows? Games for Xbox Live? Hell, they already call their phone app My Xbox Live...

Re:What about Games for Windows Live? (2, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151369)

For the good of all mankind, they should really just replace 'Games for Windows Live' with a link to Steam...

Re:What about Games for Windows Live? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151575)

And Hotmail with a link to Gmail.

Re:What about Games for Windows Live? (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152159)

And Windows with a link to Ubuntu.

Re:What about Games for Windows Live? (1)

Zinho (17895) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151591)

Amen, brother!

When I found out I'd have to log into both Steam and GFWL in order to play DiRT3 it made me glad I hadn't paid money for it; I'd have been demanding a refund otherwise. If Steam were to buy GFWL and get rid of that stupidity I'd be in heaven.

Re:What about Games for Windows Live? (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151733)

You dont have to log into GFWL online. It works just fine with a local account. Not defending it, it still sucks ass, but at the local level its just a glorified user account manager for savegames.

Re:What about Games for Windows Live? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151607)

Very much so. GFWL is annoying as all hell. I wish it would die a slow and painful death.

Zoon? (5, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151333)

Microsoft Killing Off Zune

The what?

Re:Zoon? (1)

JBMcB (73720) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152249)

The cheap brown iPod touch with no apps.

Let us take a moment of silence... (5, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151353)

and think of how boned the Zune lifetime pass owners are.

Re:Let us take a moment of silence... (5, Informative)

Daerath (625570) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151451)

Except they aren't. "although Zune Pass functionality remains"

Re:Let us take a moment of silence... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151467)

+1 Insightful

Parse Error (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151543)

and think of how boned the Zune lifetime pass owners are.

They didn't say YOUR lifetime.

Finally! (0)

s.petry (762400) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151403)

I have no idea why they ever released Zune let alone spent millions trying to convince people it was a product they should own. Actually I do. They hoped that they could force iTunes out of business by dumping Zune on people for "Free" and get another monopoly like Desktop PCs.

Doing this in light of the fact that iTunes was already free, used by millions, and was more mature and "better" than Zune is rather psychopathic. But it is Microsoft, and I expect nothing less than Evil from them.

Re:Finally! (3, Insightful)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151493)

I'm shocked myself. I had assumed that it was already dead, and thus MS didn't need to kill anything.

Re:Finally! (1)

jovius (974690) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152045)

Better safe than sorry! If only consumers could be bred...

Re:Finally! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151531)

Doing this in light of the fact that iTunes was already free, used by millions, and was more mature and "better" than Zune is rather psychopathic. But it is Microsoft, and I expect nothing less than Evil from them.

I find iTunes UX to be quite annoying whereas I enjoy using the Zune interface. I'm not a Microsoft fan-boy, I just like having a Music UX that doesn't make me want to pull my hair out.

Re:Finally! (1)

s.petry (762400) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152077)

To me what's the difference between any of them? How the play lists are stored and how easy they are to port? I don't use the dancing disco balls or what ever graphics people get in to. I click on a song title or album name and press a button that pretty much always say's "Play" or has a triangle facing to the right.

My Linux Amarok is just as good as iTunes and looks similar enough that it's easy to navigate and function, at least for playing music. The "Store" portion of iTunes is different. Well shit, I guess I figure out how to shop there when I want to buy something.

Re:Finally! (5, Insightful)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151969)

Here's some food for thought regarding your interest in understanding why companies develop products that are destined to fail.

When these CEOs have to meet with shareholders and the board of directors, they have to face questions about what the company is doing in response to the success other companies are having with a certain product. There is intense pressure on them to have an answer.

This is why Microsoft has things like their storefronts. So Ballmer can tell the shareholders they're doing a 'me-too' in response to the Apple store success. It's also why HP bought Palm and released the TouchPad. It's why motorola released the Xoom. It's why RIM released the PlayBook.

Seth

An Ode to Zune (4, Interesting)

Golgafrinchan (777313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151409)

It makes me sad every time Microsoft does something to distance itself from the Zune brand.

I own 2 Zunes. I've been using them to listen to music at work nearly every day for the past 3 years. I've found them to be very high-quality pieces of hardware. I'm not a huge fan of the Zune software, but I don't think it's any worse than iTunes. Yet most of the time when I tell co-workers that I listen to music on a Zune, I have to endure ridicule for not using an Apple product. I have even heard from ex-MS colleagues that by-and-large, MS employees don't think very highly of the Zune.

What gives? Did I totally miss the boat on this and the Zune actually sucks? Am I just destined to be forever uncool by being associated with a failed MS product? I just never understood the hate, and somehow it seems to be worse now than ever. And now MS is apparently trying to distance itself from Zune as much as possible.

Keep your chin up, Zune. You still have a few fans out there.

Re:An Ode to Zune (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151497)

News at 11, losers wonder why people call them losers.

Re:An Ode to Zune (1)

alienzed (732782) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151503)

Wasn't the Zune brown?! What can brown do for anybody? It's the color of... mud.

Re:An Ode to Zune (2)

chispito (1870390) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151541)

The brown Zune 30 was a really good looking in person. People snickered and sneered, but when you actually saw it, it was pretty nice looking.

Re:An Ode to Zune (-1, Troll)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151829)

Whatever meds you're taking seem to be working. Keep taking them.

Re:An Ode to Zune (1)

chispito (1870390) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152121)

You never actually saw one in person, did you? Not all electronics products need to look like they were made by Sony or Apple.

Re:An Ode to Zune (1)

Almandine (1594857) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151633)

My Zune is black, althought I was tempted by the silver version. Brown can do alot, I prefer it over FedEx.

Re:An Ode to Zune (2)

PatPending (953482) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151669)

What can brown do for anybody?

Plenty; for one thing it can get you into the Advertising Walk of Fame:

United Parcel Service Inc.'s slogan "What Can Brown Do For You" has delivered a major award.

Source [bizjournals.com]

Re:An Ode to Zune (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151759)

I don't think many people referred to Zune brown as the color of mud... more like it looked like a shiny turd.

RIP Zune, great concept, had the technical bits to be competitive with Apple, but didn't have the marketing, nor the correct color choice... poo brown, really?

Re:An Ode to Zune (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151765)

oooooo my BROWN-eyed girl. Do you remember when we used to sing, sha-nan-nan-nan-la de da. ooo la de da.

Re:An Ode to Zune (3, Interesting)

Babbster (107076) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151567)

You're not the only one. I like my Zune and use the Zune Pass. I like the Zune's interface a lot better than that of the iPod Touch and wish they would have tried harder to compete instead of abandoning it. Maybe Microsoft will make me happy and release a phone-free Windows Phone.

Re:An Ode to Zune (1)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151601)

A name like Zune would kill any product.

Re:An Ode to Zune (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151647)

Just like "Wii" and "Kinect", right? Oh wait...

Re:An Ode to Zune (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151603)

You know, I think the same way of Windows Me. I personally never had an issue. It installed and ran perfectly for me. To be honest, in many ways it was one of the best OSes I've ever used.

Like you, if I dare mention it, I get ridiculed to no end. I've even heard the same "Even MS employees hated Me". I don't get it. To each their own.

Let the flaming begin!

Re:An Ode to Zune (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151821)

Do you think the world stops at the edge of your vision? Its great that it worked for you, wonderful even. For the vast majority of us, it was a personal, professional, and social nightmare. I would never mock you for enjoying something that jsut worked for you. We, the geeks, are happy for you, but you are not one of us.

Re:An Ode to Zune (1)

viking099 (70446) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151709)

I have a regular Zune 30gb brick that suffered from a headphone problem. It's been sitting in a dock, playing music for around 3 years.

I've had a Zune HD for a couple of years, and for music I like it much more than the iPod. It's main problem is that it's just an excellent MP3 player, with some other stuff added on.
The iPod is a good MP3 player, but there's so much more to it, that the Zune really couldn't compete.

Re:An Ode to Zune (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152005)

What gives? Did I totally miss the boat on this and the Zune actually sucks? Am I just destined to be forever uncool by being associated with a failed MS product?

Only if you were stupid enough to get it tattoed [wired.com] on your arm. ;-)

Other than that, you should be able to buy the music player of your choice and pretend it never happened. Nobody need ever know.

FWIW, I'm not sure I ever remember anybody saying good things about Zune ... except, of course, for the guy with the tattoo before he decided the product wasn't that good. It always struck me as Microsoft trying to get into yet another market when nobody really wanted their offering.

Though, except for the presence of the "Zune Marketplace" on my XBox (which I've never cared about), I have no experience with it. For all I know, it really is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Good Idea (4, Insightful)

milbournosphere (1273186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151439)

The Zune's biggest problem was horrible branding. I've used one a couple of times and it was a solid device. But the marketing agent who decided making a 'squirt' service available on a device available in poo-brown was a good idea doomed the device and was hopefully fired. Frankly, I'm surprised the name lasted even longer than the device. Killing a bad brand name like that is a wise decision.

Re:Good Idea (1, Insightful)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151657)

That was the difference. Branding. Apple had a thousand brilliant marketing campaigns that sold millions of iPods. The Zune came in shit bown. Never hire the marketing geniuses behind the Zune. Soon it won't matter any more. Anyone who is still buying a device separate from their phone to listen to music needs to have their head examined.

Re:Good Idea (3, Insightful)

coinreturn (617535) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152169)

Anyone who is still buying a device separate from their phone to listen to music needs to have their head examined.

No. Some of us don't see the need for a smart phone. I get a new shiny basic phone free from Verizon every two years.

Re:Good Idea (1)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151737)

I agree with you. In my pre-Android days I actually looked at a Zune, and found myself impressed. In the end I opted for an iPod because Linux support is fairly solid, and there was no indication that the community wanted to support the Zune.

Re:Good Idea (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151999)

The initial branding and marketing were horrible. Watching the Zune commercials you had no idea what it was or what it was for. But that wasn't the only problem. The Zune was better than the iPod for a short time. But then Apple released the iPod Touch and moved the goal posts. With iOS, the iPod Touch was a portable computing device that you could listen to/buy media, surf the web, write email, and later run tons of apps. Zune never developed that ecosystem and was always behind.

Queue Nelson Muntz (1)

oDDmON oUT (231200) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151461)

Ha-HA!

Microsoft Account (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 2 years ago | (#39151565)

"Just as fun as it sounds!!"

ahhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39151743)

I eagerly await the next genius offerings microsoft has after windows live and zune.

But... (1)

mattgoldey (753976) | more than 2 years ago | (#39152203)

How do you kill that which has no life?
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