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T-Mobile Announces LTE Network

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the fertig-oder-nicht dept.

Wireless Networking 75

MrSeb writes "In a beautiful twist of fate, T-Mobile USA has announced that it will be launching an LTE network in 2013 using the money and AWS spectrum that it obtained from AT&T after its failed acquisition. According to T-Mobile, this upgrade comprises of a three-phase process: free up 2G spectrum, move HSPA+ to formerly 2G spectrum, and deploy LTE on formerly HSPA+ spectrum. The end result will be a much faster network that can compete with AT&T and Verizon, and download speeds of up to 74Mbps in 75% of the top 25 markets in the US. International visitors should enjoy better roaming thanks to the deployment of PCS HSPA+, too — and finally, an AT&T LTE iPhone would also work on T-Mobile's upcoming network."

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The US market is really confusion (4, Interesting)

Jack Malmostoso (899729) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158363)

I will visit the US this summer from Europe. Can anyone point me to a link where I can get some maps/explanations about roaming in the US?
I am horrendously confused about the US market and their current standards.
I will come with a N9 and an iPhone so I should be fine, but I'd like to be sure ahead of the time.

Re:The US market is really confusion (5, Informative)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158415)

There is barely any 'roaming' in the U.S. You might get some plans that will give you free calling to other people on the same network, but unless you send all the people you interact with while there a survey indicating what network they're on and basing your decision on that... well.

You're coming from Europe with an N9 and an iPhone that, presumably, take SIM cards and run on the GSM networks. This is what limits you mostly - to AT&T and T-Mobile - if you want to stick to those phones and want to pick up a local SIM card. And yes, you'd want to pick up a local SIM card unless your European cell company doesn't gouge customers for actual roaming costs from using your European SIM in the U.S.

The reason I mention "if you want to stick to those phones" is because you have a much greater choice if you just pick up a plan+phone, or prepaid phone, from any provider you please, and use it to make actual calls - keeping your N9/iPhone around for chatting, internetting, etc. on e.g. WiFi networks (your hotel / place you stay, starbucks, mcdonald's, book stores, whatever).
You can then keep that phone and just bring it with you every time you visit the U.S. (note that prepaid options expire after a while (at least at AT&T) unless you top it off, so if you visit again in a year, you might have to pick up a new prepaid SIM/plan and deal with having to send people new U.S. numbers each time).

If you do pick up an AT&T Go Phone or SIM, please note that topping up is best done at an AT&T store location. The reason for this is that, as recently as January, their web interface does not accept non-American Credit Cards and their call-in service puts you first through a speaking menu, then a 'press # to...' menu, then finally decides to also not accept your credit card, puts you on hold for a queue to an actual person, and by the time you get through to them, will be out of the credits that were left (yes, calling the top-up service costs you credit.) Maybe they fixed that, maybe mashing buttons to get through to a person asap works as well, but in my opinion.. just go to one of the stores, much less hassle and they can help you out better with options in case your usage indicates a better plan, too.

That's my personal experience - a simple search query will yield many sites that give advice to travelers, though.

Re:The US market is really confusion (0)

Jack Malmostoso (899729) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158537)

Thank you, I would mod you up if I could :)
I might get a SIM card from T-Mobile and invest 10$ just to be reachable for free.
Ans yes, our phones are GSM with SIM cards.

Re:The US market is really confusion (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158655)

You are coming with what is possibly the best phone to have for international roaming N9 with pentaband. That'll work on both AT&T and T-mo with 3G. No point buying a phone + plan here. T-mo has some pretty good prepaid plans http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans. If you are coming for just a couple weeks you could also go with the $2 or $3 per day plans. That's probably going to be the cheapest option. If you don't need data then you can also just use the pay as you go plans.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39159663)

Second this -- the N9 + T-mobile's $3/day gets you everything you can expect, unless you plan on heavy downloading (your first 200MB/day is unthrottled HSPA, after that it's throttled to EDGE speeds). You could also look into MVNOs to find one using GSM (either AT&T's or T-mobile's network, but the N9 doesn't care), and might get a better rate, particularly if you expect to be here a month or more.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159017)

If you could somehow set yourself up with data access, something like Google Voice or maybe Skype might work well. Then you just have one number to give out to people to reach you that you could set up to ring whatever temporary number(s) you have set up at the time. That way you only have one voicemail to check as well, esp. if you forward all your temporary vm accounts to this service as well.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159021)

The reason I mention "if you want to stick to those phones" is because you have a much greater choice if you just pick up a plan+phone, or prepaid phone, from any provider you please, and use it to make actual calls - keeping your N9/iPhone around for chatting, internetting, etc. on e.g. WiFi networks (your hotel / place you stay, starbucks, mcdonald's, book stores, whatever).

It surprises me that more domestic US users don't do the same thing. It's to the point that you can get second hand Android phones on eBay and elsewhere for $100-$200. (They sometimes have a "bad ESN" meaning the carrier won't activate it for some reason, e.g. the user filed an insurance claim thinking the phone was broken but then someone either realized it wasn't or fixed it and resold it, or because the carriers are just jackasses who refuse to activate used phones etc. But if you're only going to use it on WiFi then what the carrier thinks doesn't much matter.) Then put Cyanogen on it, use it on WiFi and get yourself a cheap flip phone for actual phone calls.

Carry two devices (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161437)

pick up a plan+phone, or prepaid phone, from any provider you please, and use it to make actual calls - keeping your N9/iPhone around for chatting, internetting, etc. on e.g. WiFi networks

It surprises me that more domestic US users don't do the same thing.

Probably because they don't want to carry two devices and keep them both charged. Some men have a fear of carrying a bag on grounds that it might threaten their sense of heterosexuality. That's why they'll, say, hack their DS instead of buying a used Android phone to play homebrew on.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1, Informative)

yincrash (854885) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158419)

Your N9 and iPhone will get 3G reception from AT&T only. You can get 2G reception from T-Mobile (until this plan rolls out, then you can get 3G).

Verizon and Sprint are not compatible with your phones.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1, Informative)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158461)

If you will primarily be in urban areas, AT&T and T-Mobile will be fine.

If you want to get coverage in rural areas, Verizon might be your best bet. AT&T is getting better, but I frequent areas of rural New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia where Verizon is the only option. By "rural" I mean small towns of 1500 people and farmland, not the wilderness.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158503)

It's according to where you're at. I live in very rural southern Indiana (1/2mi from my nearest neighbor and a county population of 20k) and AT&T is the only service I can get, plus it's 3G. I have to walk to the end of my driveway to get a couple bars on Verizon and it's not 3G. Service is solid and I rarely have a dropped call.

That said, when I lived in LA and SF, AT&T sucked.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

segin (883667) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158697)

But Verizon is CDMA2000, and thus doesn't work with his phone. (Not that they work with their own phones as it is.)

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159247)

Yes, but he could get a verizon burner for what the SIM would cost on AT&T. not a perfect solution, but better than no signal.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159435)

If you go to a corporate AT&T store, they will give you a pre-pay sim card for free.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

King InuYasha (1159129) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159799)

The Nokia N9 works on T-Mobile's HSPA+ network as it is, and as it will be (the Nokia N9 has a pentaband HSPA+ radio). The iPhone will only work on T-Mobile's 2G network for now, though.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158553)

The Nokia N9 is pentaband supporting the 1700 Mhz used by Tmobile so you should get HSPA speeds with it. Iphone will be limited to EDGE.

saw this coming a mile away (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39159253)

Quite frankly whoever negotiated this deal for AT&T should be given a severe reprimanding, possibly even sacked

Even I could see this coming a mile away

"Facing serious challenges from the FCC and the Department of Justice, AT&T decided it was time to throw in the towel, a move that is going to cost them $3 billion in cash and $1 billion in spectrum that it has to hand over to T-Mobile. These costs were part of the safety net built into the deal as a contingency plan for this exact scenario."

AT&T now has to give T-mobile 3 billion dollars cash, for no gain to AT&T, and on top of that a billion dollars worth of ever-so-important spectrum that will allow T-mobile to compete and eat up some of AT&Ts business

This is the stupidest outcome for AT&T. What der-brain at AT&T thought "hmm seeing as there is considerable risk of a buyout not being approved due to competition and antitrust concerns, lets make sure we have to pay them 3 billion dollars and give away our valuable spectrum if this happens"

NOW on the other hand, whoevers working for T-mobile should be given a hefty bonus and a golden parachute, perhaps even name a day after him

Re:saw this coming a mile away (2)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160843)

It wasn't that stupid on AT&T's part, compensation for failed mergers are normal. Think of all the business T-Mobile due to FUD during the pending merger. There had to be something in the deal for T-Mobile to not get completely screwed when the merger failed or else they wouldn't have agreed to it.

Re:The US market is really confusion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39159403)

The FCC mandates free roaming across all compatible carriers within the US. Sprint and Verizon are incompatible with all others, but AT&T and T-Mobile US can roam interchangeably. International carriers are not accepted in any capacity, though you may be able to place emergency calls. Those four are the largest carriers, you should ignore all of the small ones because most have terrible pricing and even worse coverage. Your N9 supports both AT&T's 850/1900 Mhz and T-Mobile US's 1700/2100 Mhz bands, so don't worry about connectivity. However, your N9 also only accepts a micro SIM, so you will need to specifically get one. T-Mobile US has the best prepaid SIM packages if you want to get one for the length of your stay. For $30 per month, you get 100 minutes of calling, actually unlimited SMS, and 5 GB of HSPA+ data transfer.

T-Mobile US plans compared: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/monthly-4g-plans

Purchase a T-Mobile US prepaid micro SIM: http://amzn.com/B004S96CWY

Activate a T-Mobile US SIM (must do online once you are in the US): https://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/activatecodes.aspx

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

Mousit (646085) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159449)

Going along with QuasiSteve's message, I too recommend a local pre-paid local cellular service when traveling to America. Price gouging on roaming can get extreme, on both sides of the pond (American cell companies screw us on roaming in Europe too). And indeed, I'd also recommend buying a local phone with it if you don't mind having a third phone on you.

I've often suggested TracFone to my various European friends when they visit. It's a GSM reseller that sits on top of AT&T's network, so you get widespread national coverage, and it's extremely cheap. You can buy a phone (which usually includes 20 minutes of service to start with) for as little as US$10. You can refill the minutes via a telephone number, their website, on the phone itself through menus, or by going into most any store and buying a 'minutes card' (TracFone's minutes cards can be found in almost any grocery and convenience store or gas station, and most any consumer store that has an electronics section). Much like Steve's suggestion, going into a physical store is the easiest when using a foreign credit card (and it's the only way to buy using cash), but since such a WIDE array of stores sell their cards it can hardly be called an inconvenience.

The other primary reason I suggest it? Privacy. Sure, your two existing phones may work with T-Mobile's or AT&T's networks (their 2G/GSM networks work with most any GSM phone, but their 3G networks operate on wholly incompatible frequencies and most phones usually only support one or the other), and you could get pre-pay service with them if your phones are SIM unlocked (I would figure they are). However, the big telcos require a bunch of personal information to sign up for their service. Admittedly, I haven't used T-Mobile in a long time, but I was recently using AT&T's pre-pay and they insist on your full personal details, name, address, all that sort of thing. TracFone doesn't ask for jack unless you use their website. If you buy the phone and minute cards at stores it's completely anonymous.

The anonymity also means TracFones are very easy to sell off when you're done with them, though being so cheap they're generally not going to sell for much unless you've still got a lot minutes left on them. They're basically disposable phones. My friends usually just drop them into a local cell phone recycling box when they're leaving for home. Stores like Best Buy have these, which probably will be one near you if you're visiting major cities.

Why visit the USA? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159563)

Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?
See the løveli lakes
The wonderful telephøne system
And mani interesting furry animals

Re:The US market is really confusion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161161)

I live in the US and find the mobile phone market confused.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

John.Banister (1291556) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161213)

First off I should explain my perspective: I am a T-Mobile customer. I don't buy data service for my N900 as I live and work too far from urban areas to get data coverage. When I want data service while traveling, what works best for me is to bring my laptop to a McDonald's or a Coffee shop that has free wifi, buy an overpriced beverage, and camp at a table for a while.

There are currently primarily two separate voice hardware specifications used in USA, CDMA2000 and GSM. I don't know of any phones that will talk to both CDMA and GSM.

The USA nationwide carriers that use CDMA are Verizon & Sprint. US Cellular, Alaska Communications Systems, and others use CDMA in some geographically restricted markets, and smaller carriers that sell access to the larger carriers networks also exist. If it's contractually allowed, CDMA phones can roam for voice calls on another carrier's CDMA network.

The major carriers in USA for GSM are ATT & T-Mobile (& GCI in Alaska). ATT won't sell you a SIM card unless you have made an agreement to have a contract with them which will last for a year or more. ATT seems not to want you to buy service from them on any phone other that one they sell, and doesn't want you to have any service on a data capable phone unless they sell you data service on it. T-Mobile phones can roam on ATTs nework. I have the unlimited talk & text plan from T-Mobile, and it has paid for calls I have made from everywhere I've been that there's GSM signal, except Unalaska Island in the Aleutians. If I'm near the border with Canada, T-Mobile will also remove any charges incurred if my phone accidentally gets picked up by a Canadian tower. I suppose roaming could work the other way, but a comparison of ATT's and T-Mobile's coverage maps will show that the question is somewhat moot.

The carriers have coverage maps on their web sites. No one sells prepaid cellular data service in USA. One of the cheapest Data plans is from Virgin Mobile who sells pre-paid voice on Sprint's network. A great resource for prepaid cellular purchasing are the general purpose electronics stores Radio Shack & Best Buy. They're not the least expensive, but the convenience is often worth the expense. General purpose merchants (eg WalMart, etc) also sell prepaid phones inexpensively, but the selection is much more limited.

If you plan to roam, make sure that you purchase a plan of the "nationwide no roaming" type as if you make calls while roaming without such an agreement, you've given the operator of the network on which you roam permission to financially rape you, and they likely will.

If you plan to buy additional time for a prepaid wireless phone, I recommend buying it online from someone like www.wirelessrefill.com I've found that the online prepaid airtime merchants have better rates. When you purchase time, they email you a code. You enter the code on your phone, hit send, and when the phone is done communicating with the network, it has the extra time. It's also worth noting that prepaid airtime expires if unused. The amount of time it takes for the unused time to expire positively correlates to the amount airtime purchased in one chunk.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

Algan (20532) | more than 2 years ago | (#39163351)

I suggest you buy a local SIM, otherwise roaming charges will kill you. Think $1-2 per minute, or more, depending on your home carrier.
You will have to choose between AT&T or T-Mobile, they are the two (main) GSM providers. Both offer nationwide prepaid plans. Your N9 will work on both networks in 3G mode, your iphone will work on both networks in EDGE mode and on AT&T in 3G mode. In urban areas they're probably similar, but AT&T has significantly better coverage in rural areas. You can check their website for coverage maps. You can also check their website for pricing on prepaid plans (called gophone on at&t and pay as you go on tmobile).

I am more familiar with AT&T plans, since that's what I buy for my parents when they come to visit from Europe: the SIM costs $25 to buy, but it gives you $25 credit to your account so it is essentially free. Some clueless salesperson might want to convince you otherwise, but prepaid SIM card purchases are so rare they don't really know what's going on. You have a choice of plans, $0.10/minute, $0.20/SMS or if you're going to use your phone a lot, $2/day for unlimited voice/SMS access. You can also add a data package to this, which will cost you extra.

One thing you need to know about US cellular market is that you pay for incoming calls and texts at the same rate as for outgoing calls. This is compensated by the fact that rates don't differ if you're calling to a different network, either cellular or landline. Obviously, this does not matter if you decide to go for the $2/day unlimited plan.

T-Mobile's plans are different, I don't think they offer an unlimited option, and they are a bit more expensive, depending on your usage. Also, not sure you can get a data plan with them.

Re:The US market is really confusion (1)

mhbtr (612436) | more than 2 years ago | (#39165005)

I will visit the US this summer from Europe. Can anyone point me to a link where I can get some maps/explanations about roaming in the US? I am horrendously confused about the US market and their current standards. I will come with a N9 and an iPhone so I should be fine, but I'd like to be sure ahead of the time.

Get H2O Wireless (www.h2owirelessnow.com), Jolt (www.joltmobile.com) or Fuzion (www.fuzionmobile.com). All these are MVNOs that operate on AT&T's spectrums (so you will get 3g) and offer competitive (read as "cheaper than AT&T") pay as you go plans. Of course you will need an unlocked phone, but these are all better options than AT&T and T-Mobile for short term subscriptions.

Slashdot Presents: The Unholy Shit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158387)

The rain was getting harder. It was now precisely 11:51 PM, and Mark was into his fifth beer. He was feeling pretty invincible but the night was young, and he intended to get wasted before it was all over. He had put in a rough week at work and he deserved it.

He lit another cigarette. He and his drinkin' buddies sat in their traditional circle, in Ian's apartment. The talk wandered from sex to work, back to sex, to basketball, finally settling on sex. Mark had eaten lunch at Taco Bell, and had drunk four cups of coffee between lunchtime and quitting. In addition, the beers were beginning to settle in. And now, at 11:51 PM, Mark had to take a shit. He stood up. "Shit break," he announced. It was customary among this group to make such an announcement.

Mark walked to the bathroom. As he locked the door behind him, thunder boomed. It was storming out there.

He pulled his pants down and sat on the toilet. Ian's bathroom was a mess. He counted five empty toilet paper rolls, two paperbacks, and yesterday's newspaper. His friends laughed about something. The lights flickered for a moment, and the pre-shit growl came from within. He could feel the product lined up inside him for disposal. Then, he began to push.

Plop. The first piece fell to the water. Then some movement, and Mark felt the main feature inside him, the mother lode. He grunted softly as he squeezed it out. It crackled past his sphincter, and splashed neatly into the bowl.

Then another one queued up, and came out. It was almost as big as its predecessor. Mark would have well-purged bowels tonight, he realized with a smirk. He heard thunder again, closer this time.

Another one? Jeez, he thought. When was my last shit? It ventured forth, Mark's muscles helping it out. It was the biggest one so far. The shit's passage through his anus, that rarest mix of pain and pleasure, was longer than any he could remember. Ahhhh...the stout log advanced with conviction. This was definitely going to be his finest creation; this was a huge one. Still grinning, he wondered if Ian had a camera.

He pushed. Peering between his legs, past his genitals, he saw that it had reached the water. This was like seeing the longest freight train ever. Damn, it was a wide one. And it was still attached! And there was more! He pushed more, harder. It kept coming. He couldn't even feel the end of this one yet; soon it was bending, folding on itself like a sundae topping. Mark stopped pushing and caught his breath. He was sweating; he realized that however long this piece of shit was, it wasn't nearly all the way out yet. He still couldn't feel the end.

He pushed, he strained, it kept coming. His intestines couldn't be that damn long, but this shit just wouldn't quit. In fact, he was feeling the diarrhoeal urgency of *having* to shit. He dutifully answered nature's call, and pushed harder. His efforts were rewarded with more shit. His sphincter was too strained to even pinch the loaf off. It was whole and complete.

He couldn't feel the end.

Fear now came to Mark. He flushed the toilet to make room for more. Even as the bowl refilled, the cramps rose up, and he pushed. Within seconds, the shit extended from his anus to bottom of the bowl. The harder he pushed, the more he had to shit. And it was getting worse. He scarcely had time to catch his breath; his face was quite red as he grunted and struggled to keep up. The shit seemed endless. He looked between his legs again, and gasped as he saw that the bowl was fully a quarter filled with his product, the water dangerously high. The tank wasn't even done filling, but he flushed again. Unfortunately, the plumbing was unable to handle the volume of feces, and the toilet backed up. Mark jumped when the cold water touched his buttocks.

It was now 11:57. Thunder roared outside as water and shit particles flowed onto the tile.

Mark's pants were bunched about his ankles, and he was in pain. The shit advanced relentlessly as he stumbled into the bathtub. He was almost panicking now, and didn't notice the trail of solid feces he had left. Gripping the tub for support, he squatted and kept pushing.

The conversation in the front room had stopped. Eddie smelled it first, and blamed a fart on Ian, but this was no fart. This was pure and concentrated; this was the smell that only the freshest shit can make. The four looked at each other, puzzled. Then they heard Mark's groaning from the bathroom.

"Mark, are you beating off again?" Doug asked. No answer.

The smell was worse. Brian sniffed deeply and gagged. "Jesus H. ...". Ian grimaced. "Goddamn...". They all went for the bathroom door at the same time. Ian jiggled the locked doorknob. Brian pounded on the door. "Dude, what the FUCK did you eat today?" No answer. Mark groaned. "You all right in there, Mark?"

They looked at each other again. Eddie sniffed and winced. There was no answer from inside. Brian knocked again. "Hey man, you OK?" No answer. A short scream came from within the bathroom.

Brian kicked the door open. Nobody spoke.

The odor was intense, feces was piled on the floor and in the bathtub. Mark was squatting next to the wall, his face impossibly red, his eyes helpless and terrified. Firm stool thrust forward from his anus like meat from a grinder. It landed in his pants bunched about his ankles, spilling over and piling up. He gritted his teeth and strained; all he could do was keep pushing. There was a sound like a ripping sheet and Mark's colon came loose from his now shapeless sphincter, oozing to the floor. His friends watched as the slimy organ descended, with shit still flowing from it. Mark screamed again, and somebody's watch beeped.

Brian got the worst of it, since he was closest to the door. He would later tell the police that he thought he had seen Mark's abdomen expand for an instant before it happened. None of the others had reported this. But they had all described the sound as a "dull thud", they had all been splattered with innards and feces as Mark's torso separated from the rest of his body.

"Massive gastrointestinal rupture/trauma secondary to indeterminate blockage" was noted in the medical examiner's report. An "unusually large amount of fecal matter" is also recorded, though the amount was not measured.

The funeral was closed-casket. Brian and Eddie seem to have recovered pretty well, though they never talk about Mark. Doug moved away, and nobody has heard from him lately. Sometimes, when he has to shit, Ian waits until the rain stops.

Re:Slashdot Presents: The Unholy Shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39160559)

What is the Slashdot obsession with shit-based stories?

AT&T Merger is Still Planned (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158413)

The fact that this network will be compatible with AT&T's network should be a hint of what is to come.

Mitt Romney: "I want to deregulate the job creators."

When questioned on what he wants to deregulate, he dodged the question. To me, this means that he wants to unblock the AT&T-Tmobile merger (among many other regulatory blocks that are in the interest of people).

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158815)

Doesn't matter. Obama wouldn't have been able to stop or green-light the merger, and neither will Romney if he did become president.

They are presidents. Not dictators able to rule by decree.

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (0)

scottbomb (1290580) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159007)

"They are presidents. Not dictators able to rule by decree."

Tell that to Obama. He didn't get the memo.

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160857)

Yeah, like remember when he decreed that big universal healthcare plan and it was passed without any opposition or compromise? That was so awesome how he totally bypassed the entire legislative process to get exactly what he wanted.

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (1)

anagama (611277) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161337)

Oh, even Stalin had a health plan for the people (ours happens to be the "No Insurer Left Behind Act"), that didn't make him a nice guy. The real things Obama has accomplished however are much darker:

- Rendered the War Powers Act moot, so future presidents can decide on their own without any congressional interference when and where to go to war.

- Instituted a policy of due process free execution. This is death squad territory.

- Made the once radical policies of GWB, such as due process free detention, the NEW NORMAL.

- Excused torturers.

- Excused AT&T's illegal domestic wiretapping program.

- Attempted to undermine the treaty against cluster bombs even though we are not a signatory.

- Has applied the Espionage Act against whistleblowers of gov't malfeasance six times in three years. Before Obama, it had been applied three times in the entire history of the US.

- Drone bombing at a rate 14x that of GWB.

- Continues the racist drug war (for reference, see: The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness)

That's just off the top of my head ... oh yeah ... Tried to convince Iraq to let our forces stay beyond 12/2012. Funny thing about, I hear so many people give him credit -- they say things like, "he's president right? and the war ended right?" --- do people not understand that when a person puts up a fight for X, but fails to win X, it makes no sense to congratulate him for the end of X?" I guess not.

Anyway, Obama is just awful. Unless you are a neo-con, and then he's your wet dream of a president.

http://nothingchanged.org/ [nothingchanged.org]

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (1)

bluesky3 (2583169) | more than 2 years ago | (#39166159)

You surely must be kidding. You think bypassing the constitution is awesome???? You're obviously not happy with our great republic of the U.S. of A, so why not just renounce your citizenship and take up residence elsewhere -- like maybe North Korea or Communist China??

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39166567)

It was sarcasm jackass, because he didn't decree anything. Or did you somehow miss the drawn-out debate over the healthcare bill and the numerous concessions he made?

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (1)

bluesky3 (2583169) | more than 2 years ago | (#39168541)

Or did you somehow miss the backroom wheeling and dealing that took place to shove the bill through in direct opposition to the will of 70% of the population? So much for representative government.

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39170049)

Did you somehow miss the fact that backroom wheeling and dealing is exactly how our congress has operated for pretty much all of its existence? However passing a bill opposed by 70% of the population could be considered bad governance, but it is in no way dictatorship. Over 500 people cast a vote on that healthcare bill. They are free to vote against the wishes of their constituents, and their constituents are free to not reelect them. Out system does not work especially well, and I frequently disapprove of the outcome but it is almost entirely unlike a dictatorship.

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (1)

bluesky3 (2583169) | more than 2 years ago | (#39170831)

Tactics such as threats and intimidation sometimes do not allow one to be "free to vote against the wishes of their constituents," most unfortunately, and also unfortunately most constituents are not informed enough to know how to vote. Hence, the broken system of government.

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39159459)

Evidently you forgot what our last Lil Hitler Bush Junior thought about that. He gave the entire country the middle finger when it came to being held accountable and no one in power had the balls or motivation (Some didn't have the balls, others were getting what they wanted and didn't want to get in the way( to do anything about it.

The fact he wasn't impeached for treason and shot as a traitor tells us that we are ripe for a dictator now without much to stand in his way from our government. Only our people will do anything to stop him unless we strike so much fear into the others of our potential uprising that they actually do their jobs (good luck on that one).

Re:AT&T Merger is Still Planned (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158943)

it could also be that T-Mobile is not big enough to get a compatible God Phone so to do so, they are designing their upgrade path to result in not only a faster network but also one compatible with existing iPhone hardware.


Wither AT&T (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158433)

So this is what AT&T was struggling to prevent by buying T-Mobile.

Certainly adds to a perception of spectrum confusion in the US.

Old joke from the '90s: The US has the most advanced land-based telephone network in the world, er the world of the 1880s.

At this rate we will all be back to tin-cans and string before long.

Re:Wither AT&T (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158911)

If you can point to any other country that is even close in size and georgrpahy as the United States, that has a better land-line phone system, I would love for you to tell me about it. Bonus if they had all their rural homes hooked up 60 years ago like the US did.

LTE iPhone? (2)

mspohr (589790) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158499)

I didn't think iphone offered LTE or 4G. Maybe someday?

Re:LTE iPhone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158559)

I believe they mean the same freq that AT&T uses for LTE. Right now the HSPA+ at TMo is on different freqs than AT&T so the iPhone does not use HSPA+ when on TMo.

My hopes is that the PCS HSPA+ means that current iPhones will now have full (iPhone) speed on TMobile. I have an unlocked iPhone 4S and want to go 14.4Mbps for at least a couple of years. Then I will think about getting on the LTE bandwagon.

Re:LTE iPhone? (2)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158675)

I'm unsure of the alphabet soup jargon, but it would certainly be nice if devices built and sold for AT&T networks would work at full speed on T-Mobile's network. I've been a fairly happy TM customer for a few years but have been frustrated by the selection of phones, while most of the ones I want are AT&T only. This is especially true of second-hand phones. I would love to be able to find something nice to upgrade to (used) without paying an arm and a leg so I can switch to SimpleMobile (T-Mobile's network) to save a few bucks. Hard to find good used TM phones at a reasonable price, and I absolutely do not want to sign another 2-year contract. Maybe this will all change, but I sure don't want to wait another year+.

Re:LTE iPhone? (1)

sir-gold (949031) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160513)

Ironically, I left at&t and switched to t-mobile a year and a half ago because I thought at&t's selection of phones sucked compared to t-mobile. Android phone that I can't even sideload apps onto, let alone root? no way!

Several months ago (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161449)

Android phone that I can't even sideload apps onto

To be fair: 1. AT&T issued an update several months ago that unblocked the "Unknown sources" checkbox in response to overwhelming customer demand for Amazon Appstore. 2. You can sideload with Android Debug Bridge on all devices with Android Market, and you could even when AT&T was still blocking "Unknown sources"

Re:LTE iPhone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39159081)

I didn't think iphone offered LTE or 4G. Maybe someday?

They currently don't, most probably because of battery life trade offs. However, Qualcomm has new chips that (a) use the same power as the old ones, and (b) support 2G, 3G, and 4G all in one package. Given those two points, Apple could almost literally pull the old chips, put in the new ones, and get a 4G-capable iPhone.

We'll probably see this in the next rev of the iPhone later this year, and maybe in the iPad 3 which is rumoured to be release in early March.

Re:LTE iPhone? (2)

Chuckstar (799005) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159305)

iPhone is not LTE, but it is compatible with what AT&T is calling just plain 4G.

I don't know the right terms for the underlying technologies, but AT&T refers to "4G" as 4x the speed of 3G and "4GLTE" as 12x the speed of 3G.

Re:LTE iPhone? (1)

mspohr (589790) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159407)

ATT 4G is not real 4G but kind of 3G "plus" and isn't even available in a lot of locations. Many users seem to be finding disappointing performance on the iPhone.
I think this is just ATT marketing hype...

Guess what? LTE is not real 4G either (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39159475)

So what's your point? Verizon's LTE is not even available in 2% of their available market ... but they will be happy to charge you extra for the pleasure of having bragging rights and no service.

75% of the top 25 markets (5, Informative)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158587)

"75% of the top 25 markets" sounds like they mean there will be almost no coverage. A "market" could just mean a city, say the city centre. Assuming one enabled mast that could work out as about 18 square miles for the entire country.

Presumably their plans are a bit grander than that, but it still sounds like they are saying their network has terrible coverage and won't be getting any better.

Re:75% of the top 25 markets (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158735)

Presumably their plans are a bit grander than that, but it still sounds like they are saying their network has terrible coverage and won't be getting any better.

Yes, but it will be FASTER terrible converage!

Re:75% of the top 25 markets (4, Insightful)

PReDiToR (687141) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159231)

What use is 74Mbit/sec data if you're unable to download more than 500MB/month?
Might as well stick to ISDN speeds and seem like you're downloading all day every day.
Only when you're in a City though, nobody ever uses their mobile phones outside the City, do they?

Re:75% of the top 25 markets (1)

King InuYasha (1159129) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159815)

You can get high-speed buckets of 200MB, 2GB, 5GB, and 10GB. If you need more, you can get more. That being said, all data plans (except the 200MB one) are unlimited usage, with the exception of how much full-speed data you can use. After that, your speed is cut.

Re:75% of the top 25 markets (1)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159773)

Well, I imagine they're aiming to have their LTE service where their 3G service was maybe 4-5 years ago. That wasn't bad - I had service in most metropolitan suburbs I visited, and 2G service anywhere that there were more people than bears. Today their 3G service is basically ubiquitous, and to be honest there aren't a lot of things that 3G isn't sufficient for. Their "4G" service is about as widespread as their 3G service as well.

Sure, it isn't as useful as Verizon if you're camping in the woods, but I'll save the $40/month and stick with T-Mo.

Access to all of AT&T network not included? (1)

Formorian (1111751) | more than 2 years ago | (#39158649)

I like T-Mobile CS. But service in my home area is spotty at best and some of the places I go non existant. (One reason I like them is free Wi-Fi calling for home is awesome) But most of those places have good AT&T reception. Was almost hoping in a service way the deal went through but in CS way it didn't. I was hoping the failed deal would allow all T-Mobile access to AT&T in all area's, not just select few area's that AT&T/Tmobile agreements allow. (The one area I know of TMobile recept is fine but a deal exists. But in a few others Tmobile recept is terrible, AT&T is fine but no deal there). Oh well. I'll stick with them for now. See how it is when this stuff starts rolling out in 2013. Thing is since i'm 10 miles from Albany NY, i get 4g 5 miles from my house. Just wish they could add another tower in my area.

Re:Access to all of AT&T network not included? (1)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159807)

Unfortunately there is no way you'd get the best of both worlds. If the merger went through you'd get AT&T service, and soon after AT&T CS and rates. Oh, and not much later everybody would raise their rates so you'd pay more than current AT&T rates by the time it is done...

Scam. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39158709)

What's the point of offering speeds up to 74Mbps for a phone, when service providers give you ridiculously low data plans at an extravagantly high price... So we can rip through that low data plan faster than before?

Re:Scam. (1)

sir-gold (949031) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160681)

For t-mobile, this would mean that you would have blazing fast internet for exactly 9 minutes and 13 seconds before you hit the 5gb "unlimited" cap, at which point you would spend the rest of the month reliving the year 1994 with a 48kbps (dialup!) speed limit.

Re:Scam. (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161259)

To be fair, that's still a better deal than most other carriers offer, where either you'll be cut off, or you'll pay through the nose. Sprint is vetter, but it's the only one.

Also, they throttle you down to EDGE (sometiems called "2.5G"). It's slow, sure, but it's not unusable (I can even stream music on EDGE) and it's closer to 2004 than 1994 in terms of smartphone speeds (the first iPhone couldn't do better than EDGE at all!) I don't know what the "official" speed for EDGE is, but my (T-Mobile) phone get about 200kbps. That's good enough for most web browsing, uploading a photo to Facebook (if you don't mind waiting a few seconds), and streaming an MP3 (if you don't mind it streaming only slightly faster than real-time, which makes skipping ahead very slow).

Re:Scam. (1)

sir-gold (949031) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161603)

I wish they only throttled down to edge speeds, but its actually SLOWER than edge. When t-mobile first implemented 3g/4g throttling, you could manually switch the phone to 2g and get somewhat faster speeds from unthrottled edge. About a month later they started throttling edge too. When you hit your monthly limit, you can't stream anything, unless you are willing to wait 2 minutes between songs on pandora.

Re:Scam. (1)

rta (559125) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162707)

Don't worry, they'll continue to be terribly oversubscribed the same way they are now. Most places i go i only get between 150k and 500k even on their "4g" HSPA+ It's clearly a load issue since on holiday weekends or in the early morning it actually gets faster.

i have no idea why they keep advertising all these stupid video services and when i can barely surf the web.

They need to do something! (2)

Prod_Deity (686460) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159157)

Their corporate headquarters in is Factoria, just outside of Bellevue, Washington

It is pretty much impossible to get a signal in it's general area. The surrounding stores & restaurants are a dead zone.

If they build the network so you can actually get a signal, I will gladly leave AT&T for them.

Re:They need to do something! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39159327)

I used to live in Seattle and before that Bellevue, and had T-Mobile for most of my time there. Reception was fine everywhere I went in the metro area. Generally the same or better than AT&T which I had previously. I recently moved to the San Francisco Bay and T-Mo reception is much worse here.

There is no LTE iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39159701)

iPhones are still 3G. Apple has no plans to migrate to LTE (which is still 3G).

They do have wireless bandwidth (1)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | more than 2 years ago | (#39159801)

At least one of the US carriers finally is realizing that they have bandwidth. Dump 2G and use those frequencies for more advanced protocols. Too many of them keep their "largest coverage area" by keeping 2G going, instead of replacing it.

Re:They do have wireless bandwidth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161743)

Except on 2G (EDGE) my T-Mobile Nexus One gets 4 days of battery life. On 3G UMTS/HSPDA+ I get 12 hours. 2G should stay as is until 3G battery life catches up. 4G battery life...?

Tmobile's problem was (1)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160179)

the tightfisted German owner (Deutsche Telekom) who was too cheap invest in 4G infrastructure or put down the money for the iPhone. As a result their market share kept dwindling.

Now that they have some money and that new pink dress wearing spokesperson (C.Zeta-Jones was getting too old) maybe they will do better.

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