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QuickTime Creator Brings Flash and Office To the iPad, By Subscription

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the but-then-you-have-to-watch-flash dept.

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New submitter adycarter writes "Steve Perlman, the man responsilbe for QuickTime and WebTV, has recently launched OnLive Desktop which now offers a 'plus' service enabling iPad users to use Flash, Microsoft Office and the ability to use a Gigabit-speed version of Internet Explorer. The service runs on the same basic technology as their game streaming service in that you're using your iPad as client to access a machine located in the cloud."

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118 comments

Thanks (4, Funny)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160915)

Thanks for ruining my awesome iPad experience. :)

Re:Thanks (-1, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160971)

People like you should be smacked in the mouth with rolled-up newspapers.

Re:Thanks (3, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161007)

What, people who use sarcasm?

Oh, you didn't get it.

My sympathies.

(note: possible sarcasm in post. YMMV. void where prohibited)

Re:Thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161033)

Sarcasm works only when there aren't enough people who actually believe what you pretended to.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Thanks (1, Troll)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161111)

Sarcasm works only when there aren't enough people who actually believe what you pretended to.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Actually that's usually one of the most common uses of sarcasm - as a "low hanging fruit" method of mocking people. Seems you missed it in your hot-button Anti-Apple Froth. You were a little too quick to want to jump on him for liking Apple so you didn't stop to think that a single line first post on slashdot might not be 100% serious.

Re:Thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161175)

Just because you're mad that you didn't understand simple text constructs doesn't mean you have to try and look all smart in your next reply. You can just accept the fact that you are an idiot and move on.

Re:Thanks (4, Funny)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161393)

The sad part is when it comes to Appleites its damned hard to tell anymore. i thought when Jobs passed the RDF would die with him but if anything it has gotten stronger, maybe Cook snuck up on him and sucked out the RDF along with his soul which i hear is gonna be packaged in tiny bits for the iPhone 5. . Oh and just in case anyone thinks I'm picking on Apple let me pick on everyone else, wouldn't want anyone feeling left out ya know..."Do no evil" is "think different' for nerds and is just as pointless, MSFT is so lame they can't even come up with a slogan so allow me "Microsoft: We want to be Apple so bad it hurts" and of course Linux has a slogan but it takes 23 hours with CLI and a handwritten compiler to read it, and you have to be an expert in long PHP coding, did i miss anybody? Well maybe BSD, I'll give them a slogan too, just to show what a nice guy I am "BSD: you're so free you're free not to use it like everybody else. Did we mention Apple used some of our code once?"

But if you want to do sarcasm you got to add that touch of bitter to make it really good, its like nutmeg that way, just a pinch adds just the right flavor. if you are too nice about it without a sarcasm tag people can't tell if you are being sarcastic or have had a koolaid overdose.

Re:Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161963)

Talk about being a faggot. Couldn't go without the MS insult huh?

Re:Thanks (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162705)

At least have the balls to make an account, and faggot is the best you can do? hell I've been told I live in a sekret warren under redmond where i subtly manipulate the masses into thinking MSFT is the product of choice by insulting them along with everyone else...still haven't figured out how insults make me FOR something? maybe its an underpants gnome thing.

Oh and how can you NOT laugh your ass off at MSFT after seeing Windows 8? I mean have you seen the thing? ZOMFG! They might as well just call it "WinPad .NET Live Zune eXPerience 3.0!" for all the levels of Apple envy and fail built in.

Finally its kinda sad the ONLY insult I get is a really lame one from a Softie AC, I'd have thought the batshit FOSSies would have been weaving one of their great 'Its a conspiracy by that other OS!" Voldemort syndrome nuttiness or at least get a ragging from a hipster Appleite or a BSDHead, but i bet they probably thought it was a compliment that i mentioned them at all. Oh and did I mention Apple used some of their code once? I swear its true, it was in like 1992 or something and Steve was a little high on some bad tofu but he totally did! I Swear!

Re:Thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39162153)

i thought when Jobs passed the RDF would die with him but if anything it has gotten stronger,

When the Jobs passed on from this universe, a singularity was formed, a passage from here to Jobs. Around this singularity, a RDF is spreading out, forming a boundary across which only the bravest of the brave have gone before. Even the light of truth can't escape once it has crossed the boundary of the RDF. It just bends and bends all the way back to the path which is the Jobs.

Re:Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161411)

Apple fanbois are so addicted to the kool-aid, that this comment should most likely be take at face value.

Even the cold dead hands of Jobs are still enough to keep the unpaid army of militant apple-oids spewing the company line.

And I challenge you - spot the sarcasm in this post. 1... 2... 3... nope, you fail again.

Re:Thanks (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161465)

psssst, you forgot to log in!

Really easy mistake to make, but schoolboy error!

Re:Thanks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161031)

Dear Obese People, Fatties, Lard-asses, Disgusting Fatbodies, Porkers, Etc:

Your primary obligation in life is to get the FUCK OUT OF THE WAY of anyone slimmer than you. They are your betters. All of them. I don't care if a slim person beats the hell out of his wife and strangles kittens to death in his spare time, he's better than you and your disgusting rolls of fat. You see, your ass is very fat and large and takes up a lot more space than anybody should need. Your fat, your problem, so get the FUCK OUT OF THE WAY whenever a slim person is trying to get around (and I do mean AROUND) your lard ass in any public place.

You are not like a person who was born without legs. Your fat is something you did to yourself because you have no self-respect and are too fucking lazy and undisciplined to put the fork down long enough to lose weight. You are fat because you eat too much. You eat more calories than you burn and that's too much. It's so simple a retarded dog could understand it without needing it explained to him. You fail at life because you fail to execute such a simple idea. You are a glutton, a lard-lover, a bottomless stomach that is never satisfied because your self-hatred means there is never enough comfort food. Fuck you.

If you're going to be so fucking fat GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY for fuck's sake. Then it is your problem only and then nobody else has a complaint, except of course for how disgusting you look.

Re:Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39162231)

Excuse me, this is Slashdot--I think you might have followed the wrong bookmark [kuro5hin.org] .

Re:Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39162903)

Methinks you might be fat.

Re:Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161979)

Your iPad was made into an X-Terminal. You will enjoy it.

Re:Thanks (2)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162181)

It's dumber (in terms of terminal type) than that, more like VNC requiring far more traffic than X should need.

No mouse (2)

sideslash (1865434) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160927)

Presumably this plays nicely with third party keyboards for the iPad, but I'm skeptical of how useful Office would be without a precision pointing device. And even with the keyboard, while that would be great for entering a bunch of text, it's not clear to me whether key combinations would make it across intact (Ctrl+V, Shift+End etc.).

Re:No mouse (2)

noh8rz2 (2538714) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160991)

yes, it works with any bluetooth keyboard. The mouse is based on Win7's TouchWiz interface, which... is what it is.

Re:No mouse (2)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161209)

Not sure about the mouse, but this wireless keyboard project [hackaday.com] looks pretty neat. I love the Model M keyboard.

Whom would this benefit? (1, Offtopic)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160929)

If you're within range of Wi-Fi, you're probably in a position to use a full-fledged MacBook Air instead of an iPad. If you're not, how fast will OnLive eat up the 5 GB/mo cap of 3G/4G Internet?

Re:Whom would this benefit? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161119)

People who have an iPad but not a MacBook Air?

Re:Whom would this benefit? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161163)

People who have an iPad but not a MacBook Air?

That's like stealing from Apple. Are you a thief?

Re:Whom would this benefit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161275)

If you're within range of Wi-Fi, you're probably in a position to use a full-fledged MacBook Air instead of an iPad.

That makes no sense.

Re:Whom would this benefit? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161375)

Then let me reword my question more directly: Why buy a restricted tablet if you plan to run applications that you know aren't available for it? Get a netbook or an ultrabook or something if you want to run your favorite PC applications.

Re:Whom would this benefit? (2)

404 Clue Not Found (763556) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161283)

People who bring their iPads everywhere but not their heavier laptop?

Re:Whom would this benefit? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161381)

In that case, the solution I've chosen is to buy a smaller, lighter laptop like an Aspire One or an Eee PC, not buy an iPad and work around its app restrictions.

Re:Whom would this benefit? (1)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161583)

I do a lot of use while walking around - but not the kind of use that this service would be for.

Re:Whom would this benefit? (1)

404 Clue Not Found (763556) | more than 2 years ago | (#39166127)

Your average netbook or small laptop is somewhere around 2-4 lbs, while an iPad is about 1.4. The weight quickly adds up if you're walking or biking around, once you consider the mouse, power adapter, etc. The iPad usually (not always) has better battery life to boot. The iPad is more comfortable to consume content on, though the netbook has the advantage for creation.

I don't even have an iPad; I'm just pointing out that there are usage cases where it'd be nicer to have one.

Re:Whom would this benefit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161309)

Um, I have access to WiFi at friends and family's houses, work, many businesses, and of course, at home. I have a MacBook Air in none of those locations. Even if I did, it wouldn't be setup just the way I like it like my iPad might be, were I to actually own an Apple product, ever.

Re:Whom would this benefit? (1)

nightfell (2480334) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161423)

If you're within range of Wi-Fi, you're probably in a position to use a full-fledged MacBook Air instead of an iPad. If you're not, how fast will OnLive eat up the 5 GB/mo cap of 3G/4G Internet?

So? I don't understand some nerds. "You have 5GB bandwidth, therefore anything that uses it is useless!" Um, you have it in order to use it. How is this not obvious?

Same goes for the MacBook Air comment. So what? If I'm using my iPad, why would I want to go over to my Air if I don't have to? I'm sitting in a comfy chair right now, browsing /. On my iPad, if I need to use Flash (super rare these days, but let's just pretend), do I want to get up and go to where my notebook or desktop are? Why?

How many minutes? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161491)

"You have 5GB bandwidth, therefore anything that uses it is useless!" Um, you have it in order to use it. How is this not obvious?

What's not obvious is how many minutes of monthly usage you can get from 5 GB, and that depends on the bitrate coming down from OnLive's server. Another Slashdot user pointed out [slashdot.org] that HSPA+ phones can burn through a 5 GB allowance in ten minutes.

I'm sitting in a comfy chair right now, browsing /.

As do I on my netbook.

On my iPad, if I need to use Flash (super rare these days, but let's just pretend), do I want to get up and go to where my notebook or desktop are?

On your iPad, if you need a keyboard to compose a longer comment, do you want to get up and go to where your Bluetooth keyboard is? If you need to use Eclipse, Visual Studio, XCode, IDLE, or another comparable developer tool, do you want to get up and go to where your PC is?

Re:How many minutes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161717)

Hey Tepples, I like you but you're doing that thing again where you're taking the edge case and pretending like its the rule. It isn't man. Calm down.

Re:How many minutes? (1)

nightfell (2480334) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161801)

What's not obvious is how many minutes of monthly usage you can get from 5 GB, and that depends on the bitrate coming down from OnLive's server. Another Slashdot user pointed out [slashdot.org] that HSPA+ phones can burn through a 5 GB allowance in ten minutes.

And if this was streaming a Blu-ray movie losslessly, you might have a point. But it's not, it's just a remote session, which people have been doing via 3G on iPads for a couple years now without issue. There's no way this is something to fret over.

As do I on my netbook.

Which has nothing to do with anything we are discussing. People are buying iPads over netbooks. And even if it were the other way around, this topic is about iPads.

On your iPad, if you need a keyboard to compose a longer comment, do you want to get up and go to where your Bluetooth keyboard is?

Nope, I just type it on the iPad. It's really quite easy.

If you need to use Eclipse, Visual Studio, XCode, IDLE, or another comparable developer tool, do you want to get up and go to where your PC is?

If I need to do something real quick, I don't see why I would have to. If I'm sitting down for a proper coding session, of course I'm going to use the computer where the tools are. This isn't a religious issue.

The iPad onscreen keyboard is quite good. It's slower than a physical keyboard, but I don't have to type at a constant 60-90WPM to be happy. 20-40 is just fine. And if I was going over my data cap regularly, then maybe I'd start to worry, but I'm not. Why should I get all Chicken Little about things that aren't problems?

Life's too short to be such a priss.

Re:How many minutes? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161915)

And if I was going over my data cap regularly, then maybe I'd start to worry, but I'm not. Why should I get all Chicken Little about things that aren't problems?

Because comments to other stories mention people finding out that they are "going over [their] data cap regularly".

Re:How many minutes? (1)

nightfell (2480334) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161987)

And if I was going over my data cap regularly, then maybe I'd start to worry, but I'm not. Why should I get all Chicken Little about things that aren't problems?

Because comments to other stories mention people finding out that they are "going over [their] data cap regularly".

Yes, some people will hit their data caps, but not many. Hence, it's not a problem. By your logic, nothing is good, since everything has limits that people will hit at one point or another.

Quit being such a priss, and learn to enjoy life. You worry too much about things that don't even effect you.

Re:Whom would this benefit? (2)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161551)

I was going to say that it would be useful for people who are walking around while using their iPads (that's a big chunk of my use-case - writing down notes while going to different spaces at a site) but then, I don't need to surf the web at high speed while doing that, nor am I using office since it doesn't do handwriting recognition.

I do only bring my iPad + a bluetooth keyboard when I travel since it's lighter than a laptop and I usually just connect to a workstation remotely if I'm in a laptopish use scenario, so I guess there's that.

But I don't think it's terribly compelling.

5GB? (1)

Forgen (1061718) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162653)

Mwahaha, only fools have caps on their data plans! Sprint+Android=inf iPad data! Only problem is some iPad apps think the wifi connection is cable-high-speed, so it by default requests too high of quality of video stream and buffers video instead of falling back to a lower bitrate.

Re:Whom would this benefit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39163305)

not to mention iDisplay to your own PC...

Good Enough (3, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160931)

For someone who MUST have Flash (almost no-one) this is a perfect compromise.

I'm not sure I'd pay a monthly fee just to view restaurant menus though.

Re:Good Enough (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161323)

You forgot about ads. What... you don't think you should help some wiener that thinks he's doing the world a favor pay for his website?

Let 'em eat JPEG (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161397)

On my PCs, I leave ads on but turn off Flash for sites not on a whitelist (e.g. dailymotion, youtube, newgrounds, weebls-stuff, ytmnd). If advertisers want to show me a picture of what they're selling, they can go ahead and use JPEGs like everyone else did before the Flash ad was invented.

Re:Let 'em eat JPEG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161763)

If advertisers want to show me a picture of what they're selling, they can go ahead and use JPEGs like everyone else did before the Flash ad was invented.

Or just go back to obnoxious animated GIFs, like everyone really did before Flash took over.

Does Chrome have a way to block animated GIFs yet? Last time I tried it, it was impossible: no such feature in the browser, and a couple of extensions claiming to add it that didn't actually work. This is pretty much the only thing keeping me on Firefox now.

Re:Good Enough (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162025)

For someone who MUST have Flash (almost no-one) this is a perfect compromise.

Flash is useful for watching videos. Thought, I'm not sure anyone MUST have Flash, or even an iPad for that matter.

There are many other ways to get content from the web either way.

Re:Good Enough (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162117)

Flash is useful for watching videos.

That is an example use they gave.

Although these days almost any Flash video site you can name feeds up h.264 when loaded on an iPad.

Zombo Com (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39160951)

Ever since I got my iPad I was unable to unlock the full potential of Zombocom because of Flash absence. Now I feel like everything is possible again.

Thank you, OnLive.

Re:Zombo Com (4, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160995)

HTML5 zombocom/ [html5zombo.com]

Re:Zombo Com (4, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161235)

This heresy is not even close to the full Zombocom experience. The audio even stops after a while.

This has been going for a while (2, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160953)

This has been going for a while, and one might argue that remote sessions are not a new thing by any stretch of the imagination, but it's certainly a useful service if you need it - especially for Office apps.

Word on the grapevine is that Microsoft are working on a native iPad app (or suite of apps) for Office, however - better late than never for those who want to be able to do more than just view Office formats on a tablet.

(and yes, yes, tablets suck for real work, yadda yadda, no one is using them for real work, toy os etc etc - just heading off that stuff at the pass.)

Re:This has been going for a while (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161439)

(and yes, yes, tablets suck for real work, yadda yadda, no one is using them for real work, toy os etc etc - just heading off that stuff at the pass.)

I don't think that statement is necessarily true anymore. There are some tablets out there (i.e. Asus Transformer series) that have an extremely high level of usability for "real work".

I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't ever use an iPad or Galaxy Tab in their current incarnations for real work, but I think the reason no one is using tablets for real work is because manufacturers are just now starting to take the hint that there are actually people out there who want to use them for real work. It's why I bought my TF201. Plug in the keyboard/touchpad dock for when I want to do real work, disconnect and use the touchscreen when I want an e-reader or want to watch some Netflix.

At this point the last true barrier to ditching the laptop entirely is the lack of a full-featured office suite for tablets.

Re:This has been going for a while (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161509)

(and yes, yes, tablets suck for real work, yadda yadda, no one is using them for real work, toy os etc etc - just heading off that stuff at the pass.)

Welll... they do.

RDP and other remote control apps are neat, but very hard to do real work with. Using a tablet as a tablet, means one handed typing. Anything else is basically no different than a laptop. Having it propped up and typing with two hands does not really count as a tablet either.

That's all the article is really about. Using the tablet as a thin client to desktop with a lot more resources. Hardly ground breaking as an idea. The challenge is that tablets are a really poor thin client interface due to their inputs and the fact that those inputs were not designed for most of the remote systems they connect to.

If your work is graphic arts however, then you can build a really snazzy interface with a touch pad to draw and use all the normal tools you have access to. Quite a bit of reports, and content consumption related tasks can translate quite well to tablets. It may require some tablet specific UI designs, but it is still doable.

Where tablets fail is any kind of rapid data input. There is a problem with the form factor, but beyond that the real difficulty is one handed typing. Most people have issue with obtaining any kind of useful speed and accuracy. I've seen some neat ideas like FrogPad and others where it involves combinations with one hand. I am going to try something like that, but its usefulness will depend on how easily I can train my one hand to type fast enough.

For me I have to be able to type rapidly since I work on headless Linux servers a *lot*. Do you have any idea how much of a pain in the ass it is to try and type a grep statement on a log file really fast? A lot of the useful symbols for Linux are complex and time consuming to enter on a virtual keyboard.

If I am remote then a tablet can be useful simply because of its form factor and it means I have to carry less. However, doing real work still requires a full machine for me. Meaning, full size keyboard, regular sized mouse, and multiple large screens.

In the end it will depend on just work you need to accomplish and where. I don't rule out that tablets can be useful, but to say they can be an actual replacement at this point for a full sized interface is stretching it. What I really, really, really look forward to is the kind of stuff IBM is working on. A circlet I can just put around my head would eliminate the need to type with fingers entirely.

I am looking at tablets with portable keyboards (something like the Logitech solar keyboard) and mice as a solution for remote workers. Best of both worlds.

The data cost to use this will be high (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160969)

The data cost to use this will be high and drain the battery fast.

Also with input lag as well.

Re:The data cost to use this will be high (4, Interesting)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161115)

Unfortunately, that may be one of the prices that needs to be paid when one chooses a platform where you're not allowed to run anything you want. It also may turn out that some of the services like this will actually speed up the experience, like with Opera mini. Anything heavy on processing and light on moving graphics will be much faster run like this. It may turn out that Office runs faster than it would natively.

Re:The data cost to use this will be high (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161173)

Running remote programs on the iPad like iTap mobile into a Windows RDP server is really quite snappy over WiFi. Not native speed but certainly acceptable for everyday use. This system seems to be a bit more sophisticated and thus faster.

I've found that I can run my hospital's POS, ancient EHR system via iTap mobile and get results not much different from using a Windows laptop. Really annoys the IS department because they hate Apple thingies.

(Even worse, our new POS EHR system will use iPads almost exclusively. They're having kittens about that.)

Re:The data cost to use this will be high (1)

nightfell (2480334) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161447)

How so? I have a 250GB limit on my home Internet connection. As for lag, people play video games via OnLive. And how would it drain battery? You can stream Netflix via 3G for many hours without worrying about the battery.

Even a capped 3GB 3G connection will last for quite some time before hitting the limit. It's not like you somehow have to use this 24/7, nor are you limited to 3G.

3GB CAP = 1 hour (3, Informative)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161527)

Re:3GB CAP = 1 hour (1)

nightfell (2480334) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161805)

On the desktop.

a Gigabit-speed version of Internet Explorer??? (0)

Tyrannosaur (2485772) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160975)

Five dollars a month buys you a cloud-accelerated web browser (that would be Internet Explorer 9, complete with fully functioning Adobe Flash and Acrobat plug-ins) and priority access to the OnLive Desktop service -- freeloading "standard" subscribers can only access the service on an as-available basis.

Running remotely on powerful PCs in the cloud that are connected by Gigabit Ethernet to the Internet

So THATS what the poster means by "a Gigabit-speed version of Internet Explorer."

Just sayin- iPad users can already use a "cloud-accelerated web browser" - for free. One of the best browsers out there: Opera.
Opera needs some love....

Re:a Gigabit-speed version of Internet Explorer??? (1)

Tyrannosaur (2485772) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160983)

I know the point was flash on the iPad, but I really don't care very much about flash. I only use it for when youtube refuses to give me Html5 videos.

too much, too late (3, Interesting)

pbjones (315127) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160979)

with people now dropping Flash, and free work-arounds available, a paid Flash experience is doomed. As for Office, if you need it, buy a Macbook Air, or similar. BTW, there are rumours of Office for iPad floating around, and an MS-Works for iPad would sell well, IMHO.

Re:too much, too late (1)

nessus42 (230320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162081)

with people now dropping Flash, and free work-arounds available, a paid Flash experience is doomed. As for Office, if you need it, buy a Macbook Air, or similar

They're offering an entire Windows remote desktop, not just Flash and Office. I guess it remains to be seen as to whether there's a big enough market for this, but you really don't know the answer to this.

|>ouglas

Re:too much, too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39163693)

dropping flash?

yeah just look at how youtube have stopped using it for their videos

and don't forget how html5 has really taken off, just look at how it has taken over the huge browser game market almost completely.

btw if you get a slight headache reading this then that's just reality distortion field working on you. open your wallet for the next piece of plastic shitte and you should be ok.

A small step in the right direction. (2)

pro151 (2021702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39160981)

Master-Blaster says "We no want subscription, We want FREE!". We are using iPads at my plant in the engineering dept with some success, they do have a niche. The ability to use a blue-tooth mouse at times would be a tremendous improvement.

Are you sure you didn't actually want a notebook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161045)

The fact that something like this is coming and will undoubtedly be popular is confirmation of what I've long suspected.

Tablets in their current form are shiny, popular media consumption toys. To really get work done, you need the PC/Mac desktop and productivity environment.

Of course, this begs the question as to why so many businesses are getting tablets for their employees in the first place, other than the obvious "Because it's trendy."

App already exists... iSwifter (1)

SirBitBucket (1292924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161061)

There is already a service that works like this. An app called iSwifter gives you a Linux Firefox window that runs flash based content. It works decently, though can get a hinlegalgy at times. iSwifter is a one time fee. They do Not charge per month (I think they originally did, but nobody wanted to pay). I use iSwifter for King Schools flight training programs, which are flash based. Works pretty well.

Subscription model = DOA (1)

scottbomb (1290580) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161069)

Is it impossible to code a flash-compatible player that can run on iDevices?

Re:Subscription model = DOA (2)

cyber-vandal (148830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161101)

No it's impossible to get it past the gatekeeper.

Re:Subscription model = DOA (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161205)

Is it impossible to code a flash-compatible player that can run on iDevices?

Ask all the Android fanboys who stopped using it as a bullet point.

Re:Subscription model = DOA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39162407)

I'm a fan of yours generally but WTF?

Hate to disappoint you, but we've had VNC on Android devices [android.com] already for yonks. Thanks for playing.

Re:Subscription model = DOA (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162481)

Please pardon my ignorance, but what does that have to do with my comment?

Re:Subscription model = DOA (1)

Jaro (4361) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161207)

There are browsers with Flash support available on iDevices, like Pidgin and others. Only the performance sucks.

Re:Subscription model = DOA (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161503)

Possible, yes - but only those with jailbroken iPads would be able to install it. Apple are very strictly opposed to flash on the iPad, and won't be certifying such an app for the forseeable future.

Re:Subscription model = DOA (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162609)

No, but since the app store terms mandate that any interpreted code (using non-Apple interpreters) be shipped with the app and not downloaded, the usefulness would be very limited.

good site (-1)

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Re:good site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39162289)

Even better after being lightly toasted, eh?

Tanks 4 da lulz, knothead.

he is not responsible for QuickTime (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161129)

He is not the "QuickTime creator". Steve Perlman was a contracted tester on portions of QuickTime. His main claim to fame in that timeframe is that when the people actually responsible for QuickTime (like Bruce Leak) left Apple for elsewhere shortly after it shipped, he stayed behind at Apple.

He was however a co-founder of Catapult who did the X-Band modem and service as well as founding WebTV as listed here.

Re:he is not responsible for QuickTime (2)

dsyu (203328) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161845)

Mod AC parent up. Steve certainly was at Apple and worked on Quicktime, but I wouldn't call him the "creator" of Quicktime.

Re:he is not responsible for QuickTime (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39162003)

I worked with Steve at Apple for a couple of years; we were both in ATG. Steve did not play any meaningful role in Quicktime. Quicktime was done by a completely different organization and they were not particularly fans of what we "researchers" were doing :) Bruce Leak and others were really the creators and principals.

At Apple Steve did research on hardware accelerated embedded multimedia. It was similar to what he went on to do at WebTV (and then sold to Microsoft for a pile of bucks, which was a nice trick) but practically nothing to do with Quicktime.

Re:he is not responsible for QuickTime (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162805)

But his name was Steve! This fact alone should be enough to disperse any doubt of his contributions to society.

Oh no (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161135)

He subjected the world to QuickTime and WebTV, and now he's trying to bring Office and Internet Explorer to the iPad? What will he do to us next? This monster must be stopped.

Exit Bag (2)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161137)

he created Quick Time AND Web TV?

can we pitch in and buy him an Exit Bag?

OnLive Desktop (1)

johnkzin (917611) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161211)

I sent them an email, a few weeks ago, asking about other options besides Windows. Like, Ubuntu or Mac OS X, for the remote OS.
I also asked about clients for other platforms.

No response yet.

I doubt I'd use it for flash things or word processing (I use Dropbox to keep documents synchronized). What I would more likely want it for is a persistent IM presence, with centralized logging. Currently, I also use Dropbox for centralizing the logging, but I have to do some over-head to check and be sure that I don't try to run it in 2 places (I use an Automator Script and a Perl script for that). I've also looked into various web based IM clients ... none of which were satisfactory to me. So, one of my main uses of something like this would be to simply keep open a persistent IM session that I could check and update from my various devices. Especially if it's more usable, and has less latency, than doing that on my own "server" via VNC.

Re:OnLive Desktop (1)

egranlund (1827406) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161515)

I highly doubt they would start running sessions of *nix OSes.

May I suggest getting a cheap colo [lowendbox.com] and set it up for remote access? It'll probably be around the same amount a month and you'll have much more control.

Re:OnLive Desktop (1)

johnkzin (917611) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162365)

Thought about it. barely any advantage over running it on my own system (which I have done, via VNC). Which, as I hinted at, if the remote desktop is VNC, then it's got too much latency and can have usability issues. I'm sincerely hoping they're doing something orders of magnitude better than VNC.

Re:OnLive Desktop (1)

radish (98371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39167813)

Assuming they use the same tech as they do for games, it's orders of magnitude better than VNC.

Waste of engineering resources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161231)

When office for iPad ships later this month.

DIY (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161253)

SO how do we roll a DIY version of this with my existing windows or mac desktop? I RDP into my machines now, but the interface isnt as useful on touch as the one OnLive presented. Bandwidth restrictions aside, how to get my 'RDP' session to work like this?

Re:DIY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161975)

I have been usin a app called splashtop for occasional remote sessions on m iPad. It's not perfect, but it lets me connect to a few windows boxes and do stuff.

fixing a problem I didn't know I had (3, Insightful)

burne (686114) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161293)

and adding injury to insult: charging for the privilege.

In 21 months of iPad-use I've noticed the lack of flash perhaps five times.

On the other hand: it saved me from annoying adds about a gazillion times.

No thanks, I'll pass this one.

Re:fixing a problem I didn't know I had (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161455)

By your own comment, you DID know you had the problem.

And you're welcome to not subscribe to the service. Count yourself lucky; this is one of the few non-compulsary "choices" in your walled garden.

Your flip dismissal is a glorious exercise of the freedom you almost never experience as an Apple drone... er, customer.

Re:fixing a problem I didn't know I had (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162239)

See it all depends on what you do on the internet. In the one time I've used an iPad (trying to show my friend a video on their iPad) we gave up and retired to the office because there was no other way we could get that content going.

I envy your flash free life, but I don't envy your iPad.

Now if only someone would do the same... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161361)

for Android.

I understand that the average user is not going to use a tablet in the same way they would use (or in lieu of) a laptop. I'm ready to dump my laptop for a tablet, however, and the only thing that's keeping me from taking the plunge is the lack of a full-featured productivity suite. I've got a Transformer Prime with its keyboard dock and its precision pointing device and I'd like to actually do something productive with it. Documents to Go, Polaris Office, Google Docs, etc are all great for viewing documents and putting together the most rudimentary of spreadsheets or presentations, but fail utterly in delivering any useful power-user level functionality. Office 365 just plain doesn't work on any mobile browser. I jumped for joy when I saw TDF was going to port Libre Office to Android but just about wept when they said they were going to aim for a high quality viewer first and then introduce limited editing functionality.

Come on, people! I'm ready to take the plunge. Just give me something...anything!

Privacy? (3, Insightful)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161373)

People are quick to jump on Google because they track your searches and can follow you with their ad engine, so I'm surprised that no one mentioned the privacy implications of this service. This opens up a whole new world of trackability (likely more even than Amazon's Silk browser) - running MSIE in a hosted server session gives the provider visibility into everything you do in that browser - everytime you scroll a page, every time you zoom in, every text box you fill in (even if you leave the page without submitting), all of that is trackable.

"the man responsilbe for QuickTime and WebTV...." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161595)

'nuff said

remote desktop, many uses (1)

Djur (2471876) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161629)

The basic technology OnLive has is remote desktop. Mainly they do this for games. Their games client runs on an array of platforms (PC, Mac, Android phones and tablets), and could probably be ported to many more without much difficulty.

As far as I can tell, the client is a souped-up rdesktop. They've paid close attention to doing the right video and audio compression and other things to minimize bandwidth and latency. The remote system behaves like local (convincingly so in most cases I've seen). (Decide for yourself, there's a free trial.)

So at this time you can play a variety of PC games on your client, and that client can be running on your PC or your Mac or your mobile device, eventually your iPad, possibly your iPhone.

But really, as noted, it's just a remote desktop. So they can run on Office suite and let you access it from any device. Right now it looks like their client needs to be tailored to do it, so they don't have the Office stuff working in their regular client but in one specifically for the "Onlive Desktop" feature. I bet eventually they merge it into a single client. You'll be able to play games or do Office from your array of devices.

And I expect that eventually they'll throw other systems into the backend instead of just the PCs they seem to have. So then you'll be able to play OS X games from your array of devices. Or your, uh, Linux games from your Windows tablet.

A well-working remote desktop makes a decoupling layer between OS you're on and applications (or OS) you want to run. Commoditizing the platform has historically been met with hostility, especially by Redmond (thanks for holding back web tech, you fuckers), so I'm wondering where this will lead.

So it will suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161663)

Just like quicktime and webtv. This guy shouldnt be allowed to create anymore

Not surprising. (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 2 years ago | (#39161775)

Kind of like PCAnywhere for the ipad.
(Or whatever your favorite remote computing software is.)

Connection issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39161833)

You can't even use the base version over a wireless connection with two out of three bars. Says it's not of sufficient quality to get decent video. Don't bother if you don't have a damn near perfect connection at all times.

PS: LogMeIn is on iPad, free, and brilliant.

Talk about giving credit where it's not due (3, Informative)

tyrione (134248) | more than 2 years ago | (#39162171)

The Man who created QuickTime? Really? The guy was gone by 1990. He brought WebTV thanks to Keith Ohlfs and other technologists to a market no one wanted and sold it ironically to Microsoft for bank and that was a write off for them. He's perfect as a VC guy--incubate, hype up, sell for unjustifiable value, dump and repeat.

From his wiki page: ``In 2011 Perlman announced that he and colleagues at Rearden have invented distributed-input-distributed-output (DIDO) technology, which a Wired article claimed to be "an experimental wireless communications system that could render cellular connections obsolete".

Someone should shoot the Wired writer for such a bs claim.

The man's all hype and no results.

Microsoft's i envy is getting out of hand. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39165013)

How much will we pay for an iO2 app that will allow us breath while we use the iPad?

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