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Suggestions For Music Hosting?

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the why-apple-icloud-of-course dept.

Music 225

First time accepted submitter achbed writes "In conjunction with a friend of mine, I'm operating a small(ish) site that contains a large quantity of music (mp3/ogg) that we pay streaming licenses for. The site currently has about 35GB of files, and pulls down an average of about 3TB a month of bandwidth — and we're just getting started. We've been unable to find any hosting packages out there that are not of the 'unlimited' variety (meaning they can kick us at any time because we're using too much) that are not costing an insane amount of money. Our current 'main page' host charges about $0.50/GB/mo, which for this much data equates to $500 a month per TB. As we are expecting growth, this is quickly going to become a major problem, as were doing this out of our own pockets (that are not that deep). Does anyone have good leads on businesses that provide significant bandwidth (5-10TB/month) for inexpensive money? Or are we going to have to accept a price in the thousands per month to run this kind of site, with 'going viral' providing a significant risk to our pockets?" $500 for what works out to under 5Mbps (95th pecentile mojo) seems a bit steep. These guys want to enter the 20+Mbps realm; I've done some high bandwidth hosting before, but it seems like you enter a different world when you need more than 10Mbps.achbed continues: "We've looked into some of the major CDNs as well. Either they do not 'support streaming' (CloudFlare), or cost thousands for what we're needing."

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Co-Locate (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180685)

Invest in your own servers (about US$ 5-8K) and then you'll find a world of options opening up to you as you look for colocation companies. We're on EGI Hosting which costs around $700 a month for an 95%tile 100Mbps ( on a 1Gbps connect ) pipe.

Re:Co-Locate (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181073)

And FDC. They offer the best hosting and unlimited bandwidth. Truly unlimited.

Re:Co-Locate (5, Informative)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181275)

Totally agree, once you get into this type of scale, you want to buy your own servers and colo them.

For a random example (not an endorsement, I've never used them before), Pair [pair.com] has 10U of space with 5 mbit bandwidth for only $400/month. Throw in a 2U server (~$3,000) with 12x 2T 7200 RPM drives (12x ~$150) in RAID 6 for 20T of usable space. Double the drive cost if you want "enterprise" drives. Shop around and I'm sure you can get better deals, these are just ballpark figures. I have no idea what kind of IOPS you need out of your storage, but it's easy (and much cheaper) to adjust your hardware to suit your needs when you own it.

The only situation where I wouldn't recommend managing your own servers is if you simply don't have the relevant domain knowledge AND you have the money to waste on managed hosting (ie, time is more valuable than money).

Re:Co-Locate (1)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181529)

Oops, totally misread your summary, I thought you had several terabytes of storage needed rather than 35G. Anyways, the rest still applies, but you can buy a cheaper server with less drives.

Re:Co-Locate (2, Interesting)

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Re:Co-Locate (2)

idobi (820896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181519)

I'll second EGI Hosting. We use them to run our radio station, and they're affordable and reliable.

Everyone wants to play (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180735)

But nobody wants to pay.

Re:Everyone wants to play (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180841)

Because information wants to be free! That's what it wants, just ask it!

One word solution (1)

Opr33Opr33 (1180091) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180737)

Youtube.com

Re:One word solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180819)

good luck convincing youtube and the recording industry police that you have valid licenses for the files.

Re:One word solution (1)

Taty'sEyes (2373326) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181283)

A better word...

vk.com

Plus all the music is there already.

Re:One word solution (4, Funny)

Pseudonym (62607) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181615)

I was going to suggest Megaupload.

5-10TB/month? (3, Informative)

skdffff (140618) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180739)

There are enough hostings like Singlehop that provide 10-15TB/mo per server for a few hundred dollars.

Post the name of your site (2, Funny)

blahbooboo (839709) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180741)

So Slashdot can go hammer your servers! :) Kidding..

Seriously, don't let us know, you will be in for $$$$

Re:Post the name of your site (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180855)

its part of centrexity.com

Budget (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180743)

How much are you willing to spend per month? In Montreal, it is possible to have a 10Mbps unlimited fiber for about $1300 per month. You simply need to rent a space in a data center afterward.

streaming? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180757)

have you tried compression?

use a lower quality/higher compression algorithm for your codec and you may be able to shrink your bandwidth usage

EC2? (4, Informative)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180767)

How about Amazon EC2? $0.12 per GB, once you hit 10TB it drops to $0.09 per GB. (this doesn't include server and storage costs)

Re:EC2? (1, Insightful)

revcompgeek (1257982) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180793)

So $10,000 for 10 TB? That's not exactly what they're looking for.

Re:EC2? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180829)

So $10,000 for 10 TB? That's not exactly what they're looking for.

But it's only 20% of what they are paying now, so still a bargain!

Re:EC2? (2)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180865)

So $10,000 for 10 TB? That's not exactly what they're looking for.

Oh, and you're off by around a factor of 10, 10TB is "only" $1200/month.

Re:EC2? (2)

inpher (1788434) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180843)

So $10,000 for 10 TB? That's not exactly what they're looking for.

$0.12*10000 = $1200. Still expensive though.

Re:EC2? (1)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180859)

Was about to submit my post addressing the math fail, but you were ahead of me.

However... at 10TB, you hit the $0.09 price according to GP, so $900. Wouldn't know if that's expensive.

I figure with that much streaming traffic, they can probably squeeze their listeners for some money to cover these expenses.

How do Spotify/Pandora handle these things?

Re:EC2? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180883)

Was about to submit my post addressing the math fail, but you were ahead of me.

However... at 10TB, you hit the $0.09 price according to GP, so $900. Wouldn't know if that's expensive.

I wasn't careful with my wording, I believe the way the pricing works is that for usage from 1GB to 9999GB, it's $0.12/GB, but for usage beyond that it's $0.09/GB. The first GB is free.

http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ [amazon.com]

Re:EC2? (4, Informative)

bws111 (1216812) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180909)

Eh, no. The $0.09 price starts at 10TB, so you pay $1200 for the first 10TB, then the price drops for any data over 10TB.

Re:EC2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181447)

They cut you off after 40 hours a month unless you're willing to pay an extra $.99 to continue listening. If you want a better service you can also subscribe to Pandora One which gives you unlimited listening plus a bunch of perks for like 3 dollars a month. If they can get 100 of their current listeners to subscribe then they've made money at those rates.

Re:EC2? (1)

Idetuxs (2456206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180899)

Relying on parent post :

$0.09*10,000 = $900

Re:EC2? (2)

bws111 (1216812) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180953)

$0.12/TB up to 10TB, $0.09 for the NEXT 40TB. So 10TB is $1199.88 (first GB is free)

Re:EC2? (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181119)

$1200 a month is pretty cheap if you really consider how much data that is. If you can make a profit somehow (advertising, subscription rates, etc) of $0.01/song, you should be able to cover your bandwidth costs.
 
Realistically, bandwidth is going to be the main cost for a business model like this. If you're streaming 10TB+ per month and can't cover the bandwidth based on your existing revenue, you won't be able to scale this up and make much profit, either.

Re:EC2? (1)

PNutts (199112) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181477)

...$0.01/song, you should be able to cover your bandwidth costs.

Considering the music industry, why should he make more than the artist? :rimshot:

Realistically, bandwidth is going to be the main cost for a business model like this. If you're streaming 10TB+ per month and can't cover the bandwidth based on your existing revenue, you won't be able to scale this up and make much profit, either.

Well played, sir. You beat me to it. He's solving the wrong problem.

Re:EC2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181493)

RimuHosting with a data center in Dallas 8 cents per GB

Re:EC2? (1)

Monkier (607445) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181547)

S3 is just storage. Someone still needs to pay the bandwidth on the server that streams that content. Cloudfront [amazon.com] can do streaming from your S3 store.

Youtube iframe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180769)

just use an iframe with youtube lol you dont really seam that big to worry

but seriosly $0.50 a gig for 5-10tb your being had! You can get a dedicated server with 10mbps connection and 10tb for $99 a month.

godaddy (-1)

goofballs (585077) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180797)

they've got issues, but they're cheap, even with dedicated hosting (stay away from the limited 'unlimited' plans). http://www.godaddy.com/hosting/dedicated-servers.aspx?ci=9014 [godaddy.com]

Re:godaddy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180845)

OMG NO!

GoDaddy is a nightmare -- both in the quality of the hosting and the customer service. And they are not cheap! I wouldn't even recommend them to my enemies.

Re:godaddy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181229)

So to be as successful as GD all I have to do is offer poor quality hosting and customer service?

Yeah, right.

Anyway--GoDaddy certainly has some issues (e.g., arrogance w/r/t customer feedback; terribly cumbersome user interface; relentless up-selling). And you know what? The ISP I switched to has some issues, too! (Different ones, but still, issues.)

And believe you me, the thing I miss most of all is GD's US-based/English-as-a-first-language/24x7x365 phone service.

Re:godaddy (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181503)

So to be as successful as GD all I have to do is offer poor quality hosting and customer service?

You need to kidnap people's pets too.

Re:godaddy (3, Funny)

PatPending (953482) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180853)

FUCK GODADDY! GoDaddy isn't a solution; it's a rationalization, an excuse for... WHOA! Look at the hooters on her!

Re:godaddy (3, Funny)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180977)

First off... shes probably a C cup at best...
Secondly... if that is how you judge your vendors, then you are missing out on some great porn.

Re:godaddy (3, Informative)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181469)

No way. I'm not the OP, but GoDaddy would be off the table for any project I'd ever be involved with. There's nothing they do that a competitor can't do for about the same price (or cheaper) but without the associated ethical and PR nightmares.

Re:godaddy (2, Informative)

404 Clue Not Found (763556) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181495)

Have we forgotten SOPA already?

VPSes (4, Informative)

vostok4 (882885) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180839)

I recommend going down the VPS route.

There are reputable, stable companies out there that won't flake out, ie. BuyVM (http://buyvm.net).

For 25$ a month, you get 70GB disk space, 4TB bandwidth, its on a gigE link (I just pulled at 379.2mbit/s from cachefly), and I suffered an hour of downtime when they were physically moving datacenters a few months back, other than that, none at all.

I run a lot of little hosting projects all on VPSes, and I think my aggregate bandwidth usage is around 9TB a month, and I never really run into issues (I've actually gotten two 2TB+/mo boxes from different companies and tested how much bandwidth I can use, never got complains).

You can also research alternatives on lowendbox.com. You won't find cheap tier 1 bandwidth, but you will easily find cheap bandwidth.

Get a dedicated server... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180885)

For under $500 you can get a solid dedicated server. As you grow you can continue to add more servers.

I would highly recommend SingleHop. http://www.singlehop.com/dedicated-servers/high-bandwidth-servers.php

Is this a business or an expensive hobby? (5, Insightful)

enjar (249223) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180907)

Expenses:
- Streaming music license fees
- Bandwidth
- Server
- Time

Income:
- Nada

Plan:
- Buy more bandwidth to serve more music.

Right now it looks like "expensive hobby". Which can be cool. But if you are expecting this to put dinner on the table, figure it out now.

Re:Is this a business or an expensive hobby? (3, Interesting)

owlnation (858981) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181041)

You forgot to add lawyers in the Expenses column.

I know they say they own the rights -- but that will not stop the RIAA from trying to lawyer them off the net. Doesn't matter that they are above board and within their rights -- these mere details never stopped Big Music from fucking people over. Or, at least, trying to. And them trying to, will still cost a lot of lawyerage.

Re:Is this a business or an expensive hobby? (2)

enjar (249223) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181117)

A very good point. My wife started her own small business and there are a number of expenses that start cropping up that you never expected. We haven't hit the lawyering yet, but she has spent money to join professional organizations, have a logo designed, website fees, business cards, we had to pay the town for a permit, she set up a checking account and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting.

We also decided to pay for a CPA, which has turned out to be awesome. The taxes are filed correctly, including deductions and we know what to set aside for paying taxes on the income. Which is cool because the tax code makes no sense and I certainly don't want to spend nights on it.

Re:Is this a business or an expensive hobby? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181539)

well she definitely figured out the spending money part of running a business.

Nearly Free Speech (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180917)

If you don't want to set up something like Amazon EC2, NearlyFreeSpeech has rates as low as $.20/GB for bandwidth, once you reach that tier.

https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/pricing

Re:Nearly Free Speech (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181279)

NFS is awesome, but it's for small websites. It doesn't fit their needs at all - it's expensive and it's not built for streaming.

Re:Nearly Free Speech (1)

j-beda (85386) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181299)

If you don't want to set up something like Amazon EC2, NearlyFreeSpeech has rates as low as $.20/GB for bandwidth, once you reach that tier.

https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/pricing

I like them too. Nice business/pricing model. Great at the low end, but maybe not so much for this higher data rate.

Dedicated Server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180931)

I have a few dedicated servers with OVH. You get a 10 gbits connection with 30TB traffic for about 200 euros a month (2 euros per TB after that).
http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/mg_best_of.xml

Re:Dedicated Server (1)

Ayourk (1125735) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181085)

I'll agree OVH has some beefy server options with 20TB traffic. Depending on your needs, you could get by with an EG class server for £99.99 which is roughly $158.18

http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/eg_best_of.xml

I believe OVH is the best option out there. A friend of mine has a server with over 10,000 active users and the system and bandwidth seem to keep up quite nicely according to him, but he is using the HG class server too.

Re:Dedicated Server (2)

Dogun (7502) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181271)

Yeah. You definitely gotta shop around in order to find good deals, but they are out there. I've had had particularly good experience in Canada, actually, for stuff that will normally get you chucked out of a datacenter in the US.

Re:Dedicated Server (3, Informative)

Gwala (309968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181611)

OVH also has a support option which is "Hey, you made a urgent ticket. Isn't that nice? We might look at it in two weeks."

OVH's support is literally 9-5 French time, Monday to Friday. There is ZERO out of hours support; and they have such a backlog that tickets dont even get looked into for a few business days.

hub.org (1)

bitingduck (810730) | more than 2 years ago | (#39180957)

Hub.org has plans that have 10 GB of storage and 1 TB of bandwidth for $30/month, and 20GB/5TB for $60, and they offer discounts if you pay a bunch of months up front (might start at quarterly, I do annual). You'd have to pay a bit extra for more storage, but they're pretty reasonable. For higher reliability you might have to pay for multiple instances or something, but it's still pretty reasonable. They've been doing a lot of upgrades lately-- ping them and see if they'll meet your needs.

Linode (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180979)

Hands down winners .... Linode [linode.com]

Re:Linode (1)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181397)

That's an awful suggestion for this purpose. Linode is great, but charges a fortune for unusually large storage/transfer needs. Their biggest Linode at the moment has only 800G of space and 2T of transfer (and 20G of memory) for $800/month. That's going to be way overkill on the memory and huge underkill on the storage and transfer, and would already blow the budget.

webzilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39180987)

they have a lot of high traffic hosting experience

http://www.webzilla.com/

OmegaSphere.net (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181001)

OmegaSphere [omegasphere.net] is an option I would look at. Nothing like what you are talking about in their listed pricing, but a lot of their business is based on custom packages they do for people.

Re:OmegaSphere.net (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181635)

Yeah, GigantoSchlong is good too.

Linode (0)

eld101 (1566533) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181009)

Hands down best I have ever used. Excellent support 24/7. www.linode.com [linode.com]

iWeb (1)

drosboro (1046516) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181025)

I use an iWeb dedicated server... $99 per month, 10TB bandwidth / 100Mbit connection, on a dual core server with 320GB hard drive and 4gb ram. That would probably work great for starters.

Re:iWeb (1)

drosboro (1046516) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181033)

Oh, that would be iWeb.com... guess I didn't clarify that! :)

Re:iWeb (1)

Al_Lapalme (698542) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181369)

I have to second this. I've used quite a few dedi hosts over time and iWeb has been the best by far (in terms of uptime and customer service)

buy your own bandwidth at a colo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181031)

you can get your own method at a colo. 100mbps is anywhere from 3000 to 5000 a month but the bandwidth is dedicated, e.g. yours to abuse so to speak. That would equate to 65TB a day so maybe a 10 or 20mbps pipe.

FDCservers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181035)

You can easily get a machine with a 10 or 100Mbps drop for dirt cheap..

Server Beach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181045)

I used to use Server beach. You can get a streaming server or two from them for like $99 a month for 2tb of bandwidth and host your website where ever. Basically build a content delivery network and put stuff in different data centers =)

Monetize (2)

Rinisari (521266) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181097)

It kinda sounds like you're getting to the point at which you need to monetize, if you can legally do so.

fdcservers (1)

njahnke (757694) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181101)

i have a 100 megabit unmetered (works out to about 32 tb per month) server with fdcservers.net. i pay $129 US a month for it. the service is excellent. not sure whether you'll be able to find that good of a deal now, but best of luck to you.

Re:fdcservers (2)

arciiri (2584101) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181247)

I've in the past ran a site that started with tens, then hundreds of megabits, then gigabits of traffic, and have found two good options:

1. http://www.fdcservers.net/ [fdcservers.net]
FDCservers has had great support. They are absolutely the cheapest per-megabit in North America, with rates of <$150 for 100Mbps, which you can easily push with even a mediocre server. Their plans also don't require you to build or buy your own servers, which is great.

2. http://www.leaseweb.com/ [leaseweb.com]
In Europe, you can look into Leaseweb. Based in Amsterdam, they have great rates (<$150 too for 100Mbps) for their dedicated servers, slightly worse support than FDCservers, but still pretty good service. They're based in Amsterdam, and have pretty decent North American data transfer rates despite their location.

Business Broadband (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181105)

Comcast Business is $200/mo for 50mbps up/down. Seems simple enough.

You don't want "hosting" (4, Insightful)

Glendale2x (210533) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181121)

It doesn't sound like you're looking for the right thing. You probably don't want "hosting", but rather a VPS, dedicated server, or a colocation.

Or are we going to have to accept a price in the thousands per month to run this kind of site, with 'going viral' providing a significant risk to our pockets?"

Then get out of the mindset of paying per GB and get a 100 meg commit instead. Maybe even a 50 meg commit will serve you well depending on your needs, but either way it's a fixed pipe with a fixed bill that you don't ever have to worry about additional bandwidth charges on.

Re:You don't want "hosting" (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181179)

Yes, this. The colo provider I work with has never mentioned the utilization since we pay for a 100-meg service. I seem to recall the bill for 6U being about $800.

Re:You don't want "hosting" (1)

pevans (44803) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181629)

> but rather a VPS, dedicated server,

This.

I've been a long-time customer of NetNation -- OK, now it's Hostway and they've had a couple of power probs at my NOC that *never* happened before, but..

I have 4 Peta-Bytes of transfer every month and it costs less than 250USD/month for a dedicated server. Yes, that was peta with a capital 'P'. That's only with 100mb duplex, but you can pay a bit more for gigabyte speeds as they have lots of fibre. This is in the austin DC.

Buy one or two or more of those and stop worrying. After adding more than one, you'll need to do interesting balancing things, but at nowhere near the cost of what you are currently in store for.

What about the Music MAFIAA?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181139)

In all of these discussions, I have yet to see anyone address what the Music MAFIAA wants for THEIR cut! Hosting a massive data stream like this is the LEAST of their concern, once the MAFIAA catches wind of this operation! Unless everything they're streaming is from Indie artists who have signed permission forms to waive all royalties, they're in deep doo-doo, already!

Host in Iceland... (1)

gunnaraztek (1077439) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181165)

... no hosting services in iceland have ANY upload limits, they do-however have "download" limits, which means data from other countries _TO_ the server is metered, and quite expensive but ANY upload (from the server to the internet) is completely free.

Just a matter of making a deal, i'd reccomend contacting x.is and 1984.is.

Additionally, a 100 mbit connection at home in iceland is only like 7k ISK (~60 USD) with a 250 gb download (see above) cap and NO upload cap. (See: http://hringdu.is/page/yfirlit/ljos/ [hringdu.is] / http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhringdu.is%2Fpage%2Fyfirlit%2Fljos%2F [google.com] )

Here's my speed (50/50 mbit connection, ~4k ISK (~30 USD) a month) http://www.speedtest.net/result/1801028229.png [speedtest.net]

p.s. data within iceland is not metered at all, up or down.
p.p.s. if you do hit the "download" limit, they don't charge you, they slow the connection down to ~4 KB/s so you can't keep downloading but domestic speeds stay the same all the time (so yes i proxy to friends when i go over my cap).
p.p.p.s. A friend of mine even runs an anime streaming site from one of those connections in iceland at http://fluffy.is/ [fluffy.is] it runs quite well and has for about a year now on the current connection.

Enjoy

Business Class Verizon FiOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181193)

VPS may be your best bet. If you don't want to go that route. Just get a business class Verizon FiOS line at home. It should cost you somewhere in the $100-200/mo range for a symmetric 35/Mbps line with some static IPs. Host it from your own box(s) and it will be cheaper than $500/TB/mo that you are currently paying. If this is a business you may want to do a VPS or colo somewhere, since you won't have a SLA with FiOS. It is still a somewhat decent cost for that bandwidth and a static IP range. If you want to be crazy have your friend get their own FiOS circuit and do RRDNS between servers at both your locations and you will have rudimentary load-balancing of 70/Mbps with unlimited storage / unlimited data transfer and failover if one of your links goes down for whatever reason. The whole setup will cost ~$200-$400/mo not including servers/electricity.

Wrong forum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181287)

You'll get much better answers here:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/index.php [webhostingtalk.com]

If you want a baseline (4, Informative)

mattbee (17533) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181293)

Call up Cogent Communications [cogentco.com] . Ask them where the nearest carrier-neutral data centre is where they could give you a 100Mb transit connection and some simple IPv4 service (some small amount of PA space and a gateway), and how much it would cost you to use it all. That's roughly 25TB traffic, and about the smallest sensible amount of "wholesale" bandwidth you can purchase. Cogent are going to be quite cheap, and you'll be able to use the whole pipe. I'd imagine it'd be in the order of $500-1000 per month, so around 2-4c per gigabyte?

Then call that data centre and ask how for much they could co-locate a cheap 2U box (or if they have a customer who would rent you a small amount of rack space). Ask how much a cable run to Cogent would be.

Add it all up, and that's about as cheap as you can get it, at least starting from scratch. Even if you don't do this yet, you'll know how much other hosting companies are marking up what they sell. For comparison call Level3 for some "quality" bandwidth (you might need to ask for a reseller if you "only" want 100Mb). Or see how you feel about the costs of a second connection, BGP, ARIN membership and all that madness. You'll soon be your own ISP :-)

Re:If you want a baseline (1)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181633)

Came in here to say this. My current datacenter charges exactly what the poster said ($100/mbps 95th percentile (but slightly cheaper in bulk) or 50 cents per GB, whichever plan I choose). So I did research for some ISPs that I could connect to. I came across Cogent, which is *incredibly* cheap. They quoted me something like $350/month for a 50mbps pipe (unmetered). Unfortunately I'd have to move to a new datacenter to use them, but they do seem to have a fiber presence in a lot of major city datacenters. I have heard reports of some sketchiness with them, but nothing concrete, and mainly from competing ISPs. I bet their uptime and reliability is probably good enough for the poster's needs.

Verio = Unlimited Data Transfer (2)

dbialac (320955) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181305)

Verio offers unlimited bandwidth on their VPS servers. For the disk space you need today, it's $82/m. For 65GB of disk space it's $140/m. Either of those options beat what you're spending now, and you can set up a shared file system to group together the VPS servers to form a larger disk. You can get to them by
  going to www.verio.net.

OpenDrive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181349)

I would check out OpenDrive. I do not know how much it would cost you with the large amount of bandwidth you consume but my current plans allows me 100 gigabytes worth of downloading/streaming a day for 10 bucks. You can contact them and ask for a quote.

A few I've found while researching for web radio.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181389)

I've used Globat.com for hosting. They do offer unlimited packages, which might not be what you're looking for considering you'd expect to get kicked, but their old packages was 1TB of hosting and 1TB of bandwidth for around $7 per month. Even if you tripled that to 3TB a month you'd still be looking at the $20 dollar range, maybe.

There's also Zazeen.ca, their Ultimate Plus package gives you 1.5 TB of hosting and offers 6TB of monthly bandwidth for $85. Or their sister company Canaca.ca, which will give you unlimited monthly bandwidth at a $100 price point. Both top level packages are supported by a 100Mb up and down connection.

Canaca and Zazeen are both based in Mississauga, Ontario. Globat is based in Boston. (I'd go for the Canadian option)

he.net or better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181405)

HE.NET gets you 100Mbps for a full 42U around 650$/mo , just send them your server (you may need some other parts like a fast ethernet switch or PDU) If other places you look at can't beat that, don't bother with them.

Most hosting systems are crippled (eg iWeb offers 100Mbit, but only if you live in Montreal. If you pull the data from San Jose you'll only get 20Mbit) geographically so you're better off setting up your own CDN system by putting one server out east and one out west if you're planning on serving the US or Canada.

VPS systems are TERRIBLE for streaming because you have no QoS over the machine the VPS is on.

I always wondered if you could buy an oc48 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181425)

Setup your own servers and racks switches and sell, host bandwidth and rack space you don't use.

I guess this will fall off the face of slashdot and I will never see the answers.

Ask these guys (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181431)

http://www.ektoplazm.com/ [ektoplazm.com] The site and downloads are never slow and they have tons of music hosted on there.

Kimsufi.ie or OHV.ie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181437)

Both are cheap, check them out.

Ouch! (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181439)

My company would serve that for under $400 per month [gogrid.com] , and bandwidth isn't even our core focus. You can do much, much better than your current arrangement.

InfoStructure.net, maybe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181449)

Hello,

You may want to contact Jeff Rhoden and Scott Hansen of InfoStructure.net. They would have access to great connections, if not able to do this themselves.

Jeff Rhoden, jrhoden@infostructure.net
Scott Hansen, shansen@infostructure.net

If they can't help or don't respond, Data Center West -- http://datacenterwest.com/MN.asp?pg=emailform - Talk to David Hand.

Good luck,

Steve

* tried to e-mail you and it failed.

Some suggestions (5, Informative)

schmiddy (599730) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181457)

I recently did some research into a related topic -- I was looking for hosts for a decent sized (200 GB+) database with generous bandwidth, on a shoestring budget (under $50/month, for the 2-3 machines I need).

First, choose your provider wisely. Your choice of provider may seem like it doesn't matter except for the pricing, but as your post about "unlimited" providers hints, it can and will become very important very quickly once the shit hits the fan (i.e. provider thinks you are using too much disk I/O, or too much bandwidth, or too much space, or whatever -- and promptly kicks you off).

Second, Slashdot actually isn't the best place to ask this question. Hang out in webhostingtalk for a while (e.g. this thread [webhostingtalk.com] ).

Finally, my recommendation for hosting provider: honelive. Take a look at their offerings, and particularly their specials. I jumped on the dedicated Intel Atom dual core, with 250GB storage, when it was $39/month a few months back. Today they are offering a dedicated Core i7 Quad Core with 24 GB RAM, 1TB disk, 5TB bandwidth, for $100/month. Yes you read that right -- these are dedicated machines, and these guys are for real. I sleep easier at night knowing I'm not going to wake up to an email of "we disabled your server because your VPS was using too much I/O and loading down our horribly oversold machines". It's my machine, I run what I want. I know VPSs are all the rage now, cloud computing yadda yadda yadda. And sure, they're great for hosting your personal photo gallery or blog. But take it from me, once you start burning through TBs of monthly bandwidth, and the disk I/O of a 200 GB database, they start looking flimsy real fast, and hosting providers get anxious to see you and your piddly monthly payment gone.

BTW I'm just a happy honelive customer, I have no affiliation with them, no referral codes in this post, etc. I've been burned by a lot of shady VPS providers. Don't get me wrong, there are some great providers (Linode) out there, but you will have to shell out the $$ for them, and I haven't found ANY reputable VPS provider providing the bang for the buck and stability I'm getting with honelive.

Also, I do pay for 2 or 3 other VPSs affiliated with my site, but the needs for these are comparatively tiny, so I suggest just hanging out on lowendbox and grabbing one of the deals there, if you need a few small VPSs with decent bandwidth. You can easily find several providers who will give you a few TB of bandwidth per month for around $5/month. I've used 5ite for such purposes, though I can only give them a lukewarm recommendation. I have a $2/month VPS from Securedragon right now for a similar purpose, and it works well enough (for a 100% expendable machine).

You can rent a server from 100tb for pretty cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181483)

These guys do really cheap, high-bandwidth hosting: 100tb.com.

dedicated server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181499)

I have used and been really pleased with: http://www.seedhost.eu/dedicated-server.php

I also once talked to the guy who runs: http://www.frenchkissfm.com/

He works at the ISP that he hosts his streaming radio on so he might have some suggestions!

Secured Servers: 100TB/mo at $175/mo (3, Interesting)

KingRobot (703860) | more than 2 years ago | (#39181501)

I've used these guys for about a year now with very good success: http://www.securedservers.com/index.php [securedservers.com]

ServerBeach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181543)

We've been using Server Beach for quite awhile, even on their low end servers you get ridiculous bandwidth. For a midrange dedicated server, with 10Mbs Unmetered (no limit) its $260/month...

http://www.serverbeach.com

I have yet to find dedicated servers, with the additional features (free DNS master servers etc...) for the price.

Colo for music only perhaps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181567)

If you don't want the overhead of running your own web host with scripting etc then use a colo server just for the big files. By disabling stuff like cgi etc it will make a simple web server easier to manage and secure. You can then keep a basic hosting account elsewhere for all the smaller active content.

A little pricey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39181569)

That is a little steep. Our company could get you 3TB/month for around $350 (wichitadatacenters.com) You would have to go with a dedicated server with that much, they start at around $100 bucks.

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