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Santorum Defends Robocalls To Democrats

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the license-and-registration dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "The LA Times reports that Rick Santorum defended his robocalls urging Democrats in Michigan to vote in today's critical primary, a tactic that has come under withering criticism from rival Mitt Romney as a 'terrible dirty trick' and a 'new low for his campaign.' Santorum says he reached out to Democratic voters, who can vote in the primary, to show that 'we can attract voters we need to win states like Michigan,' and noted that the former Massachusetts governor has wooed Democrats in the past and used Santorum's own words endorsing him in the 2008 race on a robocall of his own. 'I didn't complain about it. I don't complain. You know what, I'm a big guy. I can take it.' Romney crossed party lines himself to vote for Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Democratic primary over Bill Clinton in order to cause mischief for the general election. 'In Massachusetts, if you register as an independent, you can vote in either the Republican or Democratic primary,' said Romney, who until he made an unsuccessful run for Senate in 1994 had spent his adult life as a registered independent."

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290 comments

Stop it. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186453)

This has no place on /.

Re:Stop it. (4, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186469)

This has no place on /.

I second this motion. All in favor?

Re:Stop it. (4, Insightful)

GodInHell (258915) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186559)

Aye.

Re:Stop it. (2)

toriver (11308) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186653)

The ayes have IT.

Re:Stop it. (4, Insightful)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186565)

Aye! This is neither news for nerds (I'm sure everyone, nerd or otherwise, has already seen the headlines), nor does it matter (a gaggle of politicians posturing over trivialities of the campaign process is about as un-meaningful as it gets). Wake me up when it's time to vote.

Re:Stop it. (2)

rilian4 (591569) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186755)

Aye. Slashdot won't let me post a one word answer...so there...

Re:Stop it. (2)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186977)

Aye.

Unless this story is in regards to the robocalling technology or a political technology stance, submissions such as this one should be left to the generic political sites.

Re:Stop it. (1)

a13coach (1012803) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187083)

<quote>

<quote><p>This has no place on /.</p></quote>

<p>I second this motion. All in favor?</p></quote>

Another Aye.

Re:Stop it. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186481)

Slashdot has always covered major political events, certainly presidential elections. Certain things are "New for Everyone", of which "News for Nerds" is a subset.

Re:Stop it. (4, Insightful)

forkfail (228161) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186713)

And absolutely who the next president is - and the fight to get there - is going to have fallout that impacts the technical/nerd/geek world.

The politicians and other powers that be are quite aware of our toys and the potential of what we do, and absolutely want to own and control it.

Re:Stop it. (2)

skids (119237) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186871)

Somehow I don't think the Republican Primary this year is a "major political event" to anyone but the pundits.

Re:Stop it. (4, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187085)

It's a major entertainment event though. Like reality TV, only with more crazy.

Re:Stop it. (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186523)

Even nerds should care who's the next president.

Re:Stop it. (1)

kelarius (947816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186629)

And with antics like this we all know it's going to be Obama, so why spend alot of time conversing about the crazy?

Re:Stop it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186723)

Personally, I'm just disgusted that the GOP's ridiculously weak showing is going to result in Obama believing he's actually doing well, when in all honesty, every fucking branch of government is completely broken and corrupt.

We don't even have a left-wing party anymore. We've got the Democrat centrists (with a small handful of Republicans joining them) and the far right. What a fucking shitty choice. I don't even know if I'm going to bother voting, since it seems more and more likely it's going to be a choice between someone that's going to fuck us or someone that's going to fuck us self-righteously.

Re:Stop it. (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186747)

Well thats just it, the crazy people vote while the apathetic "it will be Obama" people dont.

Re:Stop it. (5, Funny)

icannotthinkofaname (1480543) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186765)

If Slashdot doesn't keep me minimally informed on political issues, then how am I going to know how much each candidate hates my freedom? How would I ever have known who was a traitor and who was against SOPA?

Re:Stop it. (4, Insightful)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186957)

This has no place on /.

Then what is this /. section called politics for then?

Re:Stop it. (1)

kstahmer (134975) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186975)

Politics is like crabs: easy to catch, difficult to remove.

Re:Stop it. (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186985)

This has no place on /.

Yes. The AT-5000 Auto-dialer was meant for calling you to tell you to send $1 to Happy Dude

Santorum makes me sick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186455)

n/t

Re:Santorum makes me sick... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39187097)

Of course, you shouldn't be eating it.

Contradiction (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186459)

Romney crossed party lines himself to vote for Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Democratic primary ...Romney, who until he made an unsuccessful run for Senate in 1994 had spent his adult life as a registered independent.

So he didn't "cross party lines" then, did he?

Re:Contradiction (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186831)

Romney crossed party lines himself to vote for Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Democratic primary ...Romney, who until he made an unsuccessful run for Senate in 1994 had spent his adult life as a registered independent.

So he didn't "cross party lines" then, did he?

Let's call it half a party line, as he was registered as neither Republicrat or Democan. Open Primaries are a good thing, unless they are manipulated thus. Even Rush Limbaugh was suggesting GOP voters in Michigan vote for someone, to interfer with the Democratic Primary in 2008 -- I think that's electioneering and illegal, that he did it on radio I'm rather puzzled charges weren't brought.

Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186465)

If I get a robo call, I simply will not buy your product (or vote for you). No mater what the options are, I avoid people and products that try to annoy me.

But then if you buy into Santorums position that education is for snobs and if your not rabidly pro Christian your anti religion robo calls may work on you.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (0)

dietdew7 (1171613) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186555)

I don't know how factual it is, but I heard about some robo calls being made late at night or early morning with the intention of irritating the recipient. For instance a call at 2:00 AM saying vote for the Demican paid for by the Republicrat.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186607)

For instance a call at 2:00 AM saying vote for the Demican paid for by the Republicrat.

This is the primary election, I think Barack Obama is going to get the Democratic ticket regardless of what the Republicans do.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186561)

So if I want you to not vote for my opponent, all I have to do is send a robocall stating that it is on his behalf?

Sweet, easy win.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (5, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186601)

Seconded. And imagine the calls these people must have received:

"Hi there Democrat voter, have you ever thought that you might like Santorum? A lot of people who at first found the idea repulsive were glad they tried playing on the other team and haven't gone back. I'm here to convince you that what would make America great, is a big heaping helping of Santorum."

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (1)

GungaDan (195739) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186883)

With the exception of the log cabin folks, most homosexuals tend to favor Democrats. So it's most likely that quite a few Democrats *do* like santorum (as that word is defined by google search).

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (3, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186605)

Thats what makes it a crazy story. Oldest trick in the book that "the other side" always votes for the most unelectable guy to make certain they can win against him. You have to be a total political noob to try this stunt of asking for D votes before the nomination, whoever the D vote for is who they think O will be able to easily beat. Which everyone knows is Santorum anyway. Thats why everyone who pays attention to this thought the Santorum (the guy, not the bodily fluid) robocalls were a "dirty trick" by Romney's guys to make Santorum look bad (well, he does a pretty good job all by himself, I mean help him look worse). Then Santorum is dumb enough to admit to doing the robocalls himself. That dude is doomed to never get the nomination after this little scuffle. If he wasn't a complete idiot he'd blame Romney for the robocalls to democrats in support of himself. Indications of a martyr complex?

1. Find something that no one likes, like cross burning or robo calls.
2. Spend money to frame competition for doing it.
3. Profit! Or at least donations to you instead of competition, unless your stupid enough to admit you did it.

I will say that the only thing worse that this would be getting caught and outed by your opponent. The only intelligent explanation is Santorum tried to frame Romney by paying for robo calls to democrats in support of himself, but Romney caught him and got the goods on him, "and for the greater good of the R party" the chiefs (big donors, etc) convinced Santorum to fall on his sword instead of getting totally destroyed by Romney outing him. Santorum will probably get a minor position in "reward" for falling on his sword. Not too high up, getting caught being a crook is rough on the reputation...

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (2, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186937)

This is just part of the Republican Party's unconscious effort to self-destruct. Ever since the Tea-Bag/Libertarian crowd became the moving force in the party, supplanting the Chamber of Commerce types who were in charge for most of the 20th century, it's been infected with a kind of political rabies. Not only are they lashing out with no rhyme or reason, it's affected the Theocratic Right as well. Whether they can be successful in this election and/or recover for 2014/2016 depends on whether the Chamber CEOs can reassert control.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (2, Funny)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186621)

If you are rabidly pro-christian in Santorum's fundamentalist manner and share his anti-intellectualism, you are probably not a registered Democrat.... But what do I know, I am not from the US, I just watch and shake my head.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186939)

Visit the 'deep south' sometime you will come away with a different understanding of what a democrat is. What you see in the press, on the internet, and reality are 3 very different things.

For your perusal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU [youtube.com]

That is not to bash dems or anything. But your perception is of an intelligent democrat. When the reality is not like that at all (most people are not very smart but think they know everything). Same for republicans. If you follow the internet you would probably think they all are just above drooling. When the reality is different.

The we vs they thing is just the show. Ignore it what what they vote on.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187009)

I hope there's no class action suit against the U.S. for neck injuries this year.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39187019)

If you actually listen to the quote (and not CNN/MSDNC's spin on it), it was a reasonable position. College isn't for everyone. We should put value back into a High school diploma instead of mandating a college degree.

How many great sysadmins do you know who aren't out of high school?

How many times has the subject of "I know what I'm doing, but can't get a job because the hiring people are snobs who demand a college degree?" (usually not worded that way, but effectively the same)

Personally I have more college degrees than Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Mark Zuckerberg combined (possibly excepting honorary degrees), but they're worth a heck of a lot more.

As for his fundamentalism, he can be all he wants, as long as he keeps his religion out of mine.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (3, Insightful)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187099)

You can, however, be in favour of strengthening vocational training without foaming at the mouth about liberal colleges destroying America(TM), as he did last week.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (1)

TheNastyInThePasty (2382648) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187139)

"As for his fundamentalism, he can be all he wants, as long as he keeps his religion out of mine."
LOL. You're not paying attention at all, are you?

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186639)

Ah, but that falls victim to a standard political trick - robo calling people pretending to be the other guy's campaign, ideally doing something outrageous. For instance, Dick Dodge's opponent might do a robo call with a script like:
"This is Ruby calling on behalf of Dick Dodge for Congress. I wanted to let you know that if Dick wins, I and my hot friends will be at his victory celebration to help all gentlemen celebrate properly!"

Or another popular one:
"This is Mike calling on behalf of Dick Dodge for Congress. I wanted to remind you to come out and vote Wednesday, November __!" (the election is of course on Tuesday)

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (1)

forkfail (228161) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186657)

When I get robo calls, my inclination is to write a script that robo calls the caller's organization.

Re:Robo-calls make me avoid your product. (1)

x1r8a3k (1170111) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186663)

Do you ever vote then?
Not so much for primaries, but for the actual election I get robocalls from both sides at least twice a week. Is this not normal?

Oy. (1, Flamebait)

game kid (805301) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186471)

Rick Santorum is a terrible dirty trick, so this sort of thing comes naturally to him.

Re:Oy. (2)

maxwells_deamon (221474) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186521)

I got one a couple of days ago and listened to end in the vain hope there would be an unsubscribe. The girl who made the recording was listing famous republicans who endorsed him. It was obvious at one point that she got to people she did not know as she stuggled to read some of the names.

I wish I had recorded it.

Re:Oy. (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187041)

Wait, there's girl robots calling?

Sweet!

Re:Oy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39187065)

And how is he any different than any other politician to come before him? It's a rhetorical question to ensure you're not just singling him as someone really really bad. Because trust me, I can dredge up a laundry list far longer that's worse than he is. Oh by far I can!

If you want to reach out, why with a robocall? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186475)

If anything, that's going to make people angry and make them less likely to participate.

Sending voters to nonexistent polling stations (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186479)

That's what the conservative party of Canada is alleged to have done in over 30 ridings (districts) during the last Canadian federal election.

It was such a Mitty thing to do (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186495)

That's the irony of Mitt's objections, which is probably lost on few. How do you think the man made $300 million? It wasn't by playing fair and nice with creditors and workers.

It's the message... (2)

Marble68 (746305) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186503)

I think the act of reaching out the Democrats in and of itself is a non-issue.
If the message was "hey, I'm wanting to reach out to you because..." it'd be one thing. A "vote for me" message.
However, the message of the call is "Let's send Mitt Romney a MESSAGE!" A "vote against him" message.

IMHO, this is not quite the scandal everyone seems to be whipping it up to be, it's just "in your face" negative campaigning.
Can we talk about what candidates would do about Syria, now? Or maybe African genocide? How about finance reform? Hungry for real issues.

Is there a tech or geek angle to any of this... (2)

AtlantaSteve (965777) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186505)

... or are you just hanging your hat on the word "robo" as an excuse for starting another generic my-party-is-better-than-your-party flamewar?

Re:Is there a tech or geek angle to any of this... (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186739)

I didn't need to read beyond "robocall" to know that there was something very seriously wrong with this candidate. Now the R's have shown they have no worthy horse in the race. And we already know the D's are going to have no race at all.

Re:Is there a tech or geek angle to any of this... (1)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186815)

Yeah, you'd think on Slashdot we could at least get Robocall's [nbc.com] take on the issue.

And this news item made /. because (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186509)

the title has the word "robo" in it.

My roomba (5, Funny)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186517)

My roomba got a robo call once telling him to vote skynet.

Re:My roomba (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186645)

Vote Cylon! We're much more liberal and anti-human than Skynet.

Re:My roomba (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187063)

Don't blame me, I voted for Tik-Tok.

Re:My roomba (1)

dietdew7 (1171613) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187121)

All the Cylons know how to do is kill all humans and raise taxes. Vote Skynet, they'll kill all humans and keep taxes low.

Re:My roomba (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186893)

You are a fucking moron.

Come over to the Netherlands, we'll euthanise him (3, Funny)

slashbart (316113) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186527)

Since he says that half of the euthanisias in my country are against the will of the person dying, I'd like him to come over here, so we can add him to his own statistic. It seems he's going to be worse than Bush jr. WW-III anyone?

Re:Come over to the Netherlands, we'll euthanise h (4, Funny)

Roberticus (1237374) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186579)

WW-III anyone?

I believe Santorum prefers to call it The Tenth Crusade.

Re:Come over to the Netherlands, we'll euthanise h (2, Insightful)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186687)

I doubt Santorum could find the Netherlands on the map. I doubt he could find Europe on a map.

Partially because his maps all depict a flat earth with "here be dragons" written on either side of the United States. The bible doesn't authorize a globe- so the earth must be flat.

Re:Come over to the Netherlands, we'll euthanise h (1, Flamebait)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186711)

Since he says that half of the euthanisias in my country are against the will of the person dying, I'd like him to come over here, so we can add him to his own statistic. It seems he's going to be worse than Bush jr. WW-III anyone?
Fun fact, which American President has killed more Muslims via drone strike then GWB? Barack Obama.

Re:Come over to the Netherlands, we'll euthanise h (1)

Joehonkie (665142) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186849)

Fun fact, which American President has killed more Muslims via drone strike then GWB? Barack Obama.

I didn't know either of those guys flew drones!

Re:Come over to the Netherlands, we'll euthanise h (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186743)

Since he says that half of the euthanisias in my country are against the will of the person dying, I'd like him to come over here, so we can add him to his own statistic. It seems he's going to be worse than Bush jr. WW-III anyone?

Yeah, he's pretty nuts, but don't worry too much. He's hated by a majority of voters in this country. All the crazy religious nuts are in the Republican party and it seems they're nearly half the people willing to go out and vote in a primary. The rest of out are laughing our asses off. We're just praying this will continue until the convention.

Re:Come over to the Netherlands, we'll euthanise h (1)

darkHanzz (2579493) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186981)

Ah, maybe he can just visit a hospital in Zeeland, Michigan, and see if they have the same practices as in our Zeeland :-)

Backfires: Retarded Republican Message (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186529)

I live in a predominately Republican district - let alone State (GA). During elections, the Republicans are the most fucking annoying robo-callers ever. My wife, a registered Republican, has been so irritated with the Republicans for many many many reasons, that she has voted Democratic since '00 and is planning on voting for Obama again. Even though in Georgia, the Republicans are so strong here that there really is no point in voting - the Reps own this state - I think I'll join her and vote for Obama. I have since burned my Libertarian card - I can't be a hypocrite - I love most of what they say, but they're a little too wacky for me.

The night before an election, we just turn the ringer off.

Their message has gotten so retarded that moderates such as ourselves have been turned off by them.

Obama '12! Baby!

Re:Backfires: Retarded Republican Message (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186837)

The L's have been about letting anyone do anything to screw anyone any which way they want, for decades. I figured that out in the first L party (and last) L part meeting I attended. The only difference between the L's and the R's is that the R's want to limit this ability to screw anyone any which way they want to just the rich (via corporations).

I cant imagine that there are (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186531)

a lot of democrats that'd be lining up to support Santorum, even as a joke in a primary. The possibility of "President Santorum" is a damn scary proposition for progress made over the last 50 years on just about every social issue before even taking into account the actual policy. It's scarier still is that it has gotten this far already.

Mystery caller (1)

Trevin (570491) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186537)

So that explains the unnamed 313 number I found on my caller ID box last night...

But why would he be calling me? I live in California.

Santorum (2)

j-stroy (640921) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186551)

he does froth doesn't he.

Re:Santorum (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186767)

He's in quite a sticky situation here, and it stinks.

http://serialkeycode.com (-1, Troll)

Saimum (2580353) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186553)

working serials

How is this good for Santorum? (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186571)

Why would Santorum want to engage Democrats in the Republican primary. He's the fringe right wing candidate. Romney is nigh indistinguishable from the Democratic incumbant. If a Democrat shows up at the Republican primary, the odds are very good that he'll vote Romney.

The only way I can see a Democrat voting for Santorum in the primary is to help Obama win in the general election. Is Santorum banking on his own unelectability to win the primary? Or is that reading too much into this?

Re:How is this good for Santorum? (2)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186659)

Simpler explanation: Santorum is completely crazy, and this is just more evidence of his madness.

Re:How is this good for Santorum? (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186677)

The only way I can see a Democrat voting for Santorum in the primary is to help Obama win in the general election. Is Santorum banking on his own unelectability to win the primary?

Exactly. Unelectability in MI If you're not going to get the electoral votes from MI anyway, none of those people matter in any way except that they can be used to get your nomination, then you can win using other states. Its kind of a big middle finger from S to the state of MI. Which could lead Ds to vote for R anyway just to spite S.

Either that or S knew that robocalls are a dirty trick so tried to make it look like R was paying for them to frame S, but failed, R has proof, so S was ordered by his bosses (megacorp campaign donors) to fall on his sword rather than R airing his dirty laundry.

Re:How is this good for Santorum? (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186775)

Because Romney was pretty vocal about being against the auto bailout while being *for* the corporate bailouts. Santorum might have even had the same positions, but Romney is the one fighting against the "Clueless, privileged aristocrat" stereotype. A quick poll I read this morning gave Santorum a 47-10 lead among Democrats in Michigan. It's pretty settled strategy that you do what you have to to get the nomination, then worry about tacking to the center for the general election.

Re:How is this good for Santorum? (5, Insightful)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186885)

Democrats would cross over to vote for Santorum just to sabotage any chance for Republicans to beat Obama. Santorum has no hope in the general election while Romney actually has a slim chance.

Re:How is this good for Santorum? (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187165)

And if that strategy backfires, we gonna pray to Cthulhu to put an end to all this...

Political parties = bad idea. (4, Interesting)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186577)

Personally I think they should do away with "special rights" of parties, etc.

There is nothing in our constitution that creates- or gives special rights to political parties. There is nothing about our brand of democracy that benefits from having parties. George Washington actually called them a bad idea and thought the US should stay away from them.

The government by including party affiliation on ballots- and helping organise- and give public spaces to primaries are interfering with fair elections- it gives an unfair advantage to the two largest parties and does not give a level playing field.

Being a two-party system the majority of the population are pressured into voting for one of two ideologies. "an independant or a third-party can't win" is a common belief... certainly it is made harder by states allowing people to vote "straight-party ticket". This makes it harder for independants or third parties to be elected.

Re:Political parties = bad idea. (4, Informative)

medcalf (68293) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186701)

Sadly, it's that opinion (which I broadly share) against math, and math is going to win. If you want to get rid of the two party system, you have to make a structural change. Something like partisan voting for the House, or a preferential system or some such. But as long as we are first past the post, only a two party system is stable.

Re:Political parties = bad idea. (2)

Speare (84249) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186783)

There is nothing in our constitution that creates- or gives special rights to political parties.

I go farther. If anything, membership in a political party is a hobby outside the scope of your job. Anything and everything you do for the benefit of your hobby playmates (your party) is essentially stealing from your employer (the people). Congressfolk often forget that they represent the interests of everyone in their state or district, not just everyone in the winning party, not even just the voters or citizens.

Due to the right of association, I can't actually make a case for banning the political party memberships, but I strongly feel that every single Senate or House rule that mentions political party caucuses should be stricken, and new rules drawn up that are fair to all of the constituency. Every gerrymandering trick needs to be replaced with neutrally optimized answers as soon as practical.

Rules? In a knife fight? (1)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186595)

This is politics, and Frothy is just being creative.

Dirty Trick? (3)

necro81 (917438) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186597)

Calling on Democrats to come out and vote in the GOP primary? Might be a trick, but not something to get worked up over.

Making robocalls, to anyone, ooooh now that's dirty. That deserves a beatin'

Long history of this in Michigan (2)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186599)

Republicans in Michigan crossed party lines to give Jesse Jackson the win back in 1998, and also for the Gubernatorial primaries to vote for Geoffrey Fieger in 1998. Democrats in Detroit [freep.com] were urging their voters to turn out for Ron Paul today, which is what Daily Kos should have supported too if they had half a brain. Ron Paul pulling off an upset in Michigan would have really threw the GOP primaries. A Rick Santorum victory, not so much.

Re:Long history of this in Michigan (2)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186693)

In case you still haven't noticed: Rick Santorum has proven to be more electable than Ron Paul, in the Republican party. Daily Kos has enough of a brain to realize this, and know it would be like pissing in the wind.

Re:Long history of this in Michigan (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186863)

In case you still haven't noticed: Rick Santorum has proven to be more electable than Ron Paul, in the Republican party. Daily Kos has enough of a brain to realize this, and know it would be like pissing in the wind.

Except for this [brevardtimes.com] .

Ummm, what? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186619)

I'm not surprised that both Santorum and Romney would stoop to just about anything that they think might help them win; but I'm honestly baffled by this one: What color is the sky in the universe where Santorum, running on the theocracy platform, is hoping that he will achieve any useful effects by mobilizing democrats? Romney is a deeply unlikable plutocrat with vaguely reptilian characteristics; but he managed(through a set of policies he now totally doesn't endorse when he is on the national stage) to govern Massachusetts for a while without too much falling into ruin, which gives him more democrat cred than the rest of the slate(and certainly more than Santorum).

Is there a secret supply of fanatical theocrats who've been voting democratic all these years?

Re:Ummm, what? (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186699)

Let us assume that someone in Santorum's campaign has a braincell to spare. Now, the first and foremost goal has to be to get Romney out of the picture - winning the actual elections comes later and can maybe be fixed by a call to Diebold, let's see. Since any sane person would assume that Santorum is unelectable by large, Democrat leaning voters might actually endorse Santorum for the Republican race, since it diminishes the chance of a Republican victory in the presidential election.

Just a thought, of course, made under the spurious assumption that anyone with a spare braincell would associate himself with Santorum. And if this strategy backfires for the democrat-leaning independents and you guys actually end up with a Frothy President, then Cthulhu help us all...

no worse than (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186685)

Obama's hordes of homeless and Kool-Aid drinkers knocking on doors

I read (1)

rinoid (451982) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186729)

'terrible dirty dick' ... but maybe because of Santorum http://spreadingsantorum.com/ [spreadingsantorum.com]

Yes, it's disgusting

Republican field is horrible this year (0)

medcalf (68293) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186741)

Democratic field is worse

Re:Republican field is horrible this year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39187023)

Democratic field is worse

Yep. And if anyone were to ask, point by point, exactly why you say that, you'd respond, "Obama's "polices" are what the problem is".

And when one asks, "Exactly what polices do you mean?"

You'd respond crap about, Obamacare. Israel, taxation. and some sort of intelligent allusion to socialism.

Then, when one asks specifically about any one of those things and for the details about what you don't like Obama's policies, you'd just retort, "I don't like his policies."

If you did give me details that made me think, "Fuuuuuck! This guy puts a lot of thought into things! I'll listen to him!" I'd kiss you ass on the hole.

It has happened before to me - hence why I am voting for Obama instead of the Republican loons.

I want new information. I don't like the creep of Government but it has been proven to me, from 2001 - 2008 that the Republicans are no better than the Dems - I take that back, they are worse, Because at least when the Dems increase the scope of Government, I'll at least get a bone thrown to me. Unlike the Reps who just reward their multimillionaire buddies and not me - the Dems do the same - but like I said, at least I get a bone thrown my way.

I watched the Reps start a couple of wars, one was completely unnecessary and caused much of the budget problems we have now; I watched them get the ball rolling to bail out those fuckers on Wall Street - only to have the Dems keep it going.

And you have the nerve to say that the Democratic field is worse.

I like Obamacare. It's first time in our history that a real problem is being addressed. There are a lot of folks who are uninsurable. I'm barely insurable on my own. And it may come to the point where regardless of how much money I have, I may not get insurance because of "pre-existing" conditions.

The free market is only works in a narrow band of economic activity: when someone can make a profit. If there's no profit to be made, then people have to die and suffer.

We are a cruel, shallow and small minded people. We are like the Ferengi in the Star Trek franchise.

Slimy little people.

The smartest thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39186751)

The single smartest thing Obama could do at this point is to start funding Santorum's campaign.

Primaries without party strings attached (1)

swb (14022) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186777)

I'd like to know how primary elections got co-opted by political parties as a means of selecting their party's candidate for the general election. If they want to use the public voting system for party needs, they should pay for it or stage their own party-specific election and not hold a primary at all.

In the best of all possible worlds, there wouldn't be ANY primary elections. There would be a single election with ranked preference voting and everybody gets three to choose their first, second and third choices in a single election. This would put an end to "throwing away" your vote.

If there is still a desire for a primary election to reduce the general election to a smaller field, then the primary should be open and free of party labels. Everybody gets one vote, and the two candidates who get the most votes appear in the general election, even if it means two Republicans or two Democrats or a Democrat and a Socialist or a Republican and that crazy guy Ole Savior who runs in every election.

The current system is just a cattle call that just reinforces the two party "system".

Keep up the good work Santi' (1)

iridium213 (2029192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186781)

Who better for Obama to run against than a male more-to-the-right version of Sarah Palin?

Yes, please. (4, Insightful)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186809)

Perhaps all the Democrats should heed Santorum's call to vote in the Michigan Republican primary - and vote for Ron Paul.
That will show 'em. :-)

Re:Yes, please. (4, Interesting)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186941)

As a democrat I cast my vote for Ron Paul. I know he doesn't stand much of chance but I am hopeful!

Re:Yes, please. (2)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39187057)

Perhaps they should all vote and "write-in" Obama. If all democrats voted- and voted for Obama- he would beat the split votes the republicans gave Santorum/Romney/Newt.

As an independent - I would LOL if Obama won the Republican primary in Michigan. (I'm not a big fan of Obama or any of the existing Republican candidates).

Operation Hilarity (3, Informative)

jwhitener (198343) | more than 2 years ago | (#39186979)

Operation Hilarity [dailykos.com]

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