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Raspberry Pi Now Has Distributors -- and Will Soon Have Boards for All (Video)

Roblimo posted more than 2 years ago | from the my-computer-is-smaller-than-yours dept.

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In an exclusive Transatlantic Skype conversation with Slashdot editor Timothy Lord recorded on Feb. 22, Raspberry Pi project leader Eben Upton talks about the state of Raspberry Pi, and tells us that yes -- finally -- they now have distributors in the U.S. and other countries instead trying to ship every unit from the U.K. Even better, instead of buying a batch of boards, selling them, and only then ordering another batch, the new distribution agreements mean they can keep a steady flow of orders coming in and going out. One slight downer is that people who have donated to the project may not get their Pi(s) right away; the distributors have spoken for all of the current order. Eben talks about this, and about how Raspberry Pi is going to take care of contributors, starting at about 4:15 in the video. You can also look at an in-person interview Tim did with Eben in January -- or wait until the end of today's video for a list of other Raspberry Pi videos.

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304 comments

first (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196157)

Frist pi

I love the new business model (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196169)

It used to be that, if you wanted to develop a product you could see at a profit, you needed to obtain investment capital, and most likely exchange ownership shares in the company for that capital.

These guys have figured out how to get people to just GIFT them money to develop the product, which they can then sell at a huge profit, that they can keep for themselves.

Man, I have to hand it to them. Not even Steve Jobs or Bill Gates could do that.

Re:I love the new business model (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196373)

You know, apart from the 10 they sold via E-Bay, this whole project has been a self funded "Not For Profit" charity...??

They activity REFUSED to do pre-orders (and accept money), stating that they would only take money once they had the physical devices in their hands in the UK.

They said it would be a world wide release and all profits would be out back in to building the net batch.

Re:I love the new business model (1)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196523)

actually, they don't have any at the retailers, they're still not in stock. So technically this is pre-ordering, albeit with some kind of guarantee of what you get.

Re:I love the new business model (5, Informative)

xaxa (988988) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196527)

These guys have figured out how to get people to just GIFT them money to develop the product, which they can then sell at a huge profit, that they can keep for themselves.

They are a charity registered as such in England.

You can see their accounts (presented to the British Government) here: http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1129409&SubsidiaryNumber=0 [charity-co...ion.gov.uk] (but it seems, as they have had a turnover of less than £10000 so far, they don't need to file detailed accounts).

Cursor (5, Informative)

marjancek (1215230) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196179)

Mind moving the cursor somewhere else, please?

Re:Cursor (5, Informative)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196801)

While we're all asking for stuff, how about not making the videos autoplay? It's far more an annoyance than a convenience. I had to track down this mysterious droning voice after I opened up half a dozen Slashdot tabs. I'm trying to avoid doing work covertly here, people!

Failed big time (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196187)

They promised worldwide delivery to all and the ability to use PayPal. Instead, they gave us company-orders only, minimum order amounts of €50, creditcard only and only to a select amount of countries.

Don't promise want you can't deliver. Massive disappointment.

Re:Failed big time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196275)

They promised worldwide delivery to all and the ability to use PayPal. Instead, they gave us company-orders only, minimum order amounts of €50, creditcard only and only to a select amount of countries.

That must be the first time I've ever heard of someone wanting to use PayPal. In what way does it beat credit cards issued by reputable banks (if they don't take debit cards I could see that as a genuine criticism though)?

Re:Failed big time (3, Informative)

jwijnands (2313022) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196407)

Paypal is free to use with a bank account. Credit cards can charge significant subscription fees. Combined with the universal acceptance of debit cards and you see relatively few credit cards in this country.

Re:Failed big time (2, Informative)

xaxa (988988) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196537)

Paypal is free to use with a bank account. Credit cards can charge significant subscription fees. Combined with the universal acceptance of debit cards and you see relatively few credit cards in this country.

So pay with a debit card.

Re:Failed big time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196557)

Paypal is free to use with a bank account. Credit cards can charge significant subscription fees. Combined with the universal acceptance of debit cards and you see relatively few credit cards in this country.

I don't think I've ever heard of a credit card charging its customers for transactions or general service - why would anyone use one if they did? They charge insane rates of interest of course, but only if you don't pay up each month. Do Visa and Mastercard actually charge "subscription fees" in some countries? How do they get away with it?

Re:Failed big time (3, Informative)

xaxa (988988) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196729)

I don't think I've ever heard of a credit card charging its customers for transactions or general service - why would anyone use one if they did?

Many cards charge an additional fee for foreign transactions. This might not be a concern if you live and shop in the US, or indeed many large countries (UK, Germany etc). But if you live in a small country there might not be a local retailer for everything.

Re:Failed big time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196877)

This does happen in Canada, but only with special cards. Usually they have purchase insurance. The basic cards are free.

Stolen credit cards (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196419)

That must be the first time I've ever heard of someone wanting to use PayPal. In what way does it beat credit cards issued by reputable banks

PayPal does some level of fraud detection. I work for a company that develops the shopping cart software used by an RC car shop, and there were a bunch of Indonesians that used stolen European credit cards and international mail forwarding services to order expensive ready-to-run vehicles. All this fraud came through the credit card payment flow, not the PayPal payment flow.

Re:Failed big time (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196463)

Convenience.

International credit card processing can be a bit of a pain, international PayPal payments are easier.

Also, the target audience is children, who can often get a PayPal account more easily than a credit or debit card.

Re:Failed big time (2)

vviljo (143799) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196285)

You had to realise to find a retailer that sells ("retails"...) stuff from the distributors. I ordered mine from my local electronics retailer and will be getting it in the "second" batch.

I admit rasp pi foundation could and SHOULD have done a lot better in this, explaining the situation better and what to expect from the distributors.

Find a dealer near you (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196449)

You had to realise to find a retailer that sells ("retails"...) stuff from the distributors.

Would it have been so hard for a distributor to add a "Consumers: Find a dealer near you" button?

Re:Failed big time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196331)

same here, the momnt i saw they were handing distribution to farnell and rs components i knew this was going to screw us (the whole community) over...

Re:Failed big time (2)

VMaN (164134) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196347)

wow, are you me? Because you almost word for word repeated my comments from another site.

When I tried to comment on the "company only" ordering in Denmark, they kept retweeting comments from british users who said something like "you don't have to fill out the company name". After 3 hours they didn't feel like commenting on the fact that ordering was impossible for individuals in many countries.

Oh, and it took around 1½ hours of F5'ing to GET to the last step in the order process, the part where you have to fill out the "vat registration number" for companies. That was a funny surprise. A heads up BEFORE I tried to order would have been nice.

Re:Failed big time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196413)

Massive disappointment?!

You haven't even seen the product yet - get a sense of proportion.

Re:Failed big time (2)

Cloud K (125581) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196423)

I pre-ordered from Farnell with no issue at all. No minimum amount, no company details (it's geared at that, but I ignored it), and "Home / Hobby" was even an option in the list of job roles.

Re:Failed big time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196777)

Farnell does have a minimum order, but it's less than the cost of the RPi.

Re:Failed big time (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196711)

Don't mention that kind of disappointment on their forums when they're back, or your comment will be deleted. They don't censor even rudest hostility towards people who voice mild criticism, but delete the criticism. It's worse than most company forums.

Re:Failed big time (5, Informative)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196785)

The news here really isn't the retailers that have signed up, it is the fact that the distribution model has now changed. The retailers are licensing the board designs and handing their own manufacturing, which means that the 10,000 order limit and months lead time will disappear, since both were limitations of the Pi Foundation not having enough money in the bank to finance large scale manufacturing.

There is absolutely no reason why other manufacturers can't license the designs, e.g. Foxconn could license it, make it in their factories, and ship direct into their existing shipping channels. Chinese factories can turn this out and ship direct on ebay. If the Pi Foundation is now ready to license to everyone (I presume the licenses with Farnell and RS are not exclusive) this is going to end up making the Pi available more widely and more cheaply than they could ever have done with their direct manufacturing model.

Seriously, look at ARM or any of the other electronics design companies, and then tell me that licensed manufacturing isn't going to work better. This one change to the business model will increased their capacity from 10,000 units every 8 weeks or so, up to whatever is financially viable for third party licensers to invest. It means their manufacturing capabilty can scale to demand, instead of being limited by the fixed amount of money they have in the bank.

Re:Failed big time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196795)

The amount of misinformation from Rasberry Pi has been massive all the time.

First they claimed to have made 100 beta boards. That turned out to be 25.
Then their announcement of the official Linux distro got delayed and delayed over again and barely made it yet.
Then they failed their 2011 Q4 shipment, but OK since ... ... a week into January they proudly announced production already started. Well, not in the UK as promised as they "suddenly" realized production time and costs were not favorable in UK. How could that be a surprise? Quite a few of us got very disappointed about this.
Then one *month* later the news appeared that production actually hadn't started at all as a central component (the oscillator) was missing!
Then we private individuals outside the UK can't buy it all when it finally appears.
Then the A model suddenly has 256 MB RAM. Cool, except I already three month ago was buying accessories like a USB HUB in anticipation of a Q4 release be course the B model's two USB ports doesn't fit my needs nor did the 128 MB of the original A model. Today I need a totally different product.

They have a *lot* to learn in the communications department.

Don't play automatically (5, Informative)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196189)

Can you not activate videos unless and until I click 'Play'? Not everybody has unlimited broadband

Re:Don't play automatically (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196227)

Can you not activate videos unless and until I click 'Play'? Not everybody has unlimited broadband

Yeah, sure, no problem.
We'll just start preloading it so when you do decide to press play, it'll work instantly on your slower and probably more costly connection!

Re:Don't play automatically (4, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196239)

They're going for the MySpace Experience. Next step is to add glitter to every page, change fonts mid-sentence and go with a rainbow-on-rainbow color scheme.

Re:Don't play automatically (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196273)

rainbow-on-rainbow color scheme.

Could be worse... [typepad.com]

Re:Don't play automatically (4, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196509)

I present to you, the future of the web: http://yvettesbridalformal.com/ [yvettesbridalformal.com]

Yes, it appears to be a legitimate business website. Check it out in the Internet Archive and you'll see it was once a professional website. I'm not sure what happened.

Re:Don't play automatically (2)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196675)

My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

Re:Don't play automatically (1)

Howard Beale (92386) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196679)

And they're bringing back the PONIES!!!!!!

Re:Don't play automatically (3, Funny)

u38cg (607297) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196703)

We tried that. Ponies. *Shudder*

Re:Don't play automatically (3, Informative)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196291)

What you need is a thing called "flashblock" - it's available for all good browsers and doesn't cost a penny.

Re:Don't play automatically (2)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196633)

Maybe you mean NoScript. :-)

Re:Don't play automatically (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196925)

Chrome and Opera even have built-in plug-in policy settings.

Re:Don't play automatically (1)

BorgDrone (64343) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196301)

Can you not activate videos unless and until I click 'Play'? Not everybody has unlimited broadband

Seems to me like you're trying to solve the wrong problem.

Re:Don't play automatically (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196465)

But then how does one solve the right problem, namely the high price per megabyte of Internet access in locations unserved by cable or DSL?

Re:Don't play automatically (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196321)

flashblock...

Re:Don't play automatically (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196361)

Noscript blocks it for me. I have to click on the placeholder to get it to load.

If you're trying to reduce bandwidth usage you should use stuff like noscript and adblock plus.

Re:Don't play automatically (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196439)

Click to Flash is your friend.

(or the appropriate plugin for your browser of choice).

I think autoplay videos were at least as big of a reason for installing it as blocking flash adverts. I'll start the video when *I'm* ready thanks.

Re:Don't play automatically (2)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196503)

I also have to ask WTF is it doing in Flash instead of WebM or Ogg.

Tommorow's headline... (-1, Troll)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196231)

Creator of Raspberry Pi farts.

Maybe on Friday we can hear about how they setup their payment processing scheme, or maybe how the creator sent an email with a picture of a lolcat?

Really WHO THE HELL CARES? We know the hype of what it's capable of. We are collectively interested in one thing and one thing only, when does it ship? That would be NEWS. What slashdot is promoting at the moment is more detailed than most product blogs in the world.

How about we dedicate a story to every time Microsoft writes a line of code in Windows? That sounds interesting too. NOT! /rant /karma

Re:Tommorow's headline... (2)

OneSmartFellow (716217) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196505)

How about we dedicate a story to every time Microsoft writes a line of code in Windows?

I'd be far more interested to know when they remove a line of code.



One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code. - Ken Thompson

Electronics supplier DDoS (4, Informative)

damburger (981828) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196233)

They went on sale this morning, and almost immediately downed the websites of two large electronics suppliers (RS and Farnell). By the time I had got to work, the sites were back up but that is largely because they didn't have anymore Raspberry Pis to sell.

That is the kind of reception that Apple wishes the iPad 3 would get (although it probably won't.)

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (1)

PremiumCarrion (861236) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196263)

To be fair to apple though (and I hate doing this :) they probably have enough server capacity to deal with the flood that the RasPi has generated.
I'm also sad that I couldn't order mine, up at 4am and nearly broke my f5 [script].

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196341)

The iPad3 will sellout within minutes, their shops will be overrun, their servers are probably not shit and can handle a lot.

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (5, Funny)

docilespelunker (1883198) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196345)

Today I wanted a phase locked loop chip from Farnell. Could I get onto the site to look it up? No... Seems the world wants a router that's had it's wings clipped and a DVI port nailed to the top.

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (2)

docilespelunker (1883198) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196771)

I retract this comment, it's an HDMI port and it looks like they used solder.

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (1)

friesandgravy (1086677) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196889)

Laughter is good. Thank-you.

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (3, Insightful)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196839)

The hardware is actually based on a mobile phone SOC, not a router SOC. That means more memory and a GPU but it also means the ethernet is stuck behind USB.

I agree though that even given the fact it's less than half the price of the cheapest comparable linux board i've previously seen (the beaglebone) the buzz round the thing is still insane.

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (1)

Mathness (145187) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196399)

...the sites were back up but that is largely because they didn't have anymore Raspberry Pis to sell.

People sure do buy some freaky stuff on the net. o_O

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196479)

Yeah I'm sure RS and Farnell have much more server capacity than Apple.

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (2, Insightful)

Alrescha (50745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196481)

"That is the kind of reception that Apple wishes the iPad 3 would get (although it probably won't.)"

The delusional noise that comes out of certain dark corners of the universe never ceases to amaze me.

A.

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196935)

Seriously? Yeah, because Farnell and RS have server farms just as big as Apple's. Just quit the mindless bashing and start thinking before commenting already. No wonder this website is going down the drain.

Re:Electronics supplier DDoS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196941)

That is at least three orders of magnitude below the kind of reception that Apple wishes the iPad 3 would get.

Donators might have to wait? (4, Informative)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196251)

So... Those who donated to the project prior to completion have to wait for their boards while the folk who order direct get them shipped first?

I can't help but think that this is a giant "fuck you, revenue comes first" to those who believed in the project from the start. Yeah, even charities have to pay their staff, and I understand that, and I hope I've just misunderstood. Otherwise, poor form guys.

Re:Donators might have to wait? (1)

jwijnands (2313022) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196425)

Yes, you got screwed and without lube too!

Re:Donators might have to wait? (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196499)

Who donated to the project?

Re:Donators might have to wait? (4, Insightful)

psergiu (67614) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196899)

I did.
By buying the Raspberry Pi stickers. They said they were overpriced (thus they considered those money to be a donation). I say they were fair-priced. And they sent me 6 instead of the 3 i ordered.
I don't expect any favours for this.
I'm sad i didn't "donate" more as they are now out of stickers and i don't think they will sell them again (each were indivdualy cut and packaged by the members of the foundation)

Re:Donators might have to wait? (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196535)

They do need to make a profit but I think the whole raspberry pi process has been a bit of a cock-up I can't say I would have done better but I think they made some poor decisions along the way and the happy attitude didn't help after hearing about delay after delay. I wish them success and I will buy one but the enthusiasm for it has worn off some time ago and I don't mind waiting a couple months for things to die down.

Re:Donators might have to wait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196855)

I've been following the project for a while now. Who are these people who have donated to the project that you speak of? I've not seen any mention of them. Can you link to details?

Outraged? Really? (5, Insightful)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196879)

Those who donated to the project prior to completion have to wait for their boards while the folk who order direct get them shipped first?

Why don't you let the people who donated comment instead of putting words in their mouths? How about this hypothesis: many donors saw a charity with a good idea, one that they liked and wanted to support, and they saw their donation as exactly that and nothing more - there was no guarantee that they would be first in line, and they didn't expect that there would be any such guarantee in the future. They just wanted to show their support for a cool project that had little financial backing.

When you donate to a charity, do you always expect to get something in return? Is that how you think the world works for everyone?

Didn't really work as planned tho. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196257)

Unfortunately it didn't really work out as planned. Farnell and RS was DDoSed a long time from 6 am to about 12. And there is still problems for people outside the UK to buy the rasp. I'm in Sweden and Farnells liks to the pre-order does not have Sweden in it's list. RS on the other hand requires a company to "express an interest in raspberry" (it says nothing about pre-order). So even now when the sites is working again I'm still unable to order a Rasp.

This makes me wonder why they didn't team up with a firm that is known globally and can handle traffic like e-bay or amazon?

Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196313)

fleabay would insist on people using paypal... and amazon would want a ridiculous cut of the price...

Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196325)

Yeah I'm pissed about this. I stayed up so I could order, and got through to RS. They had an 'express your interest' page, which I thought would be like a preorder. I was expecting to receive an email where I could order: nothing.

There was no indication that the DDoS'd farnell had anything different. Now I find out that that site actually was taking preorders. What a disorganized mess.

Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. (2)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196351)

or dx. there's going to be a clone there in a month anyways.

and those who already donated and paid.. well of course you'll wait for longer! you're already a guaranteed customer. same goes for people who signed up to be emailed when it's available, you'll be emailed when they got surplus stock they'll need to get rid of..

Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. (2)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196539)

or dx. there's going to be a clone there in a month anyways.

The concept of clone is inappropriate since they've release gerbers and BoM and all that. Its a clone the same way two 6-32 machine screws that came off different yet identical screw machines are "clones".

They chopped the main site and put up a single page static site to handle the load, if they had not, I'd be including a link to the gerber files etc. You two can become a raspberry pi manufacturer.

My experience with dx is that it might be clone like in that it'll probably have inferior parts on the same PCB. I haven't checked the rasp-pi BoM but a reasonable working V spec for a tantalum capacitor on a 3.3 volt power bus might be, say, 16 volts, so that no matter how you F up your power connections at least you won't have to replace all the caps, even if you do have to replace the chips. It only costs a few pennies more. But I almost guarantee the dx clone would be assembled with the cheapest imaginable 4 volt rated caps for the 3.3 volt lines, and that will work.. for a little while... most of the time... Or they'll cheap out and use something with a much higher ESR so its noisier and somewhat less reliable around RF (like stepper motors switching on and off might crash a clone due to power glitches and a "real one" might not notice, or your bluetooth range isn't what it should be, etc)

Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. (1)

BorgDrone (64343) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196363)

This makes me wonder why they didn't team up with a firm that is known globally and can handle traffic like e-bay or amazon?

Because Farnell and RS deal in electronics, they not only sell the Raspberry Pi's, they also produce them.

Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. (1)

jwijnands (2313022) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196447)

This makes me wonder why they didn't team up with a firm that is known globally and can handle traffic like e-bay or amazon?

Because Farnell and RS deal in electronics, they not only sell the Raspberry Pi's, they also produce them.

Yeah.. that makes it a very good sales channel for a product that has attracted tons of interest from people outside the electronics communities.

Pissed off with Farnell (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196259)

At 6am the "buy" link on Farnell redirected to a "register interest" page, not a pre-order page, where I logged in with my existing Farnell account and "registered interest". Three minutes later their webserver melted.

There is now an oversubscribed pre-order page.

RS seem to be handing this the right way and their "register interest" is first come first served and will help them catch the scalpers and jokers trying to place multiple orders.

Guess it serves me right for being a loyal Farnell customer.

Well, guess what Farnell? I'm your worst fucking nightmare. As an EE designing medium volume products built in the UK, every bill of materials I write for the rest of my working life will include as few Farnell part numbers as is humanly possible.

Re:Pissed off with Farnell (3, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196435)

Stop being such a whiny self-centred crybaby. Do you really think they intended their servers to crash like this? FFS, just wait a few days and register your interest then. I assume the Raspberry Pi will produced in numbers to meet demand for a long time to come and it will be simple enough to obtain one.

Re:Pissed off with Farnell (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196637)

For mishandling the launch of a £22 gadget that you're interested in playing with, you'll attempt to destroy the current and future professional relationships they have with company you work for?

I think we've found a new definition for vindictive!

Overreact much?

Ordered mine (3, Informative)

psergiu (67614) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196261)

Managed to order mine from Farnell this morning. Took almost a whole hour of refreshes & timeouts considering that i already had an account on their site. RS Online did not accepted any orders, they only have a "register for updates" page.

The DDoS of the Farnell & RS-Online servers caused by the announcement was massive (and still is for Farnell).

Re:Ordered mine (4, Funny)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196393)

Managed to order mine from Farnell this morning. Took almost a whole hour of refreshes & timeouts considering that i already had an account on their site.

I know for a fact that electronics engineers make lousy software developers. You better pray that your "whole hour of refreshes" didn't get you 3600 Raspberry Pis.

Re:Ordered mine (due April) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196401)

I also managed to get one ordered from Farnell. A few refreshes etc (about half an hour). It's due 16th April (was informed via an email with "Urgent Order Information". Be interesting to see if everyone has the same due date.

Re:Ordered mine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196427)

Managed to order mine from Farnell's Singapore site, to be delivered in Singapore (to a friend who will then re-send it to me in Australia). It wasn't clear whether they had stock or not at the time of order, but the invoice states an expected delivery next week. The website now states an expected time of 38 days for new orders.
I wasn't thrilled to having shipping applied only after final confirmation to proceed with the order. This is a gripe with Farnell rather than Raspberry Pi.

Is it too much to ask (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196323)

Is it too much to ask that the poster explain what rasberry pi is in the first damn sentence?

No common sense in how to communicate a story.

Re:Is it too much to ask (3, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196467)

Given the amount of "rasberry pi" articles that there have been lately, also the availability of google (which will tell you in three clicks) it's not necessary. Are we supposed to start every hard disk story with an explanation of what a hard disk is as well?

Re:Is it too much to ask (4, Informative)

neokushan (932374) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196581)

You mean you've managed to miss all of the Slashdot stories thus far?

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/02/21/1324246/get-a-glimpse-at-the-raspberry-pi-fedora-remix?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader [slashdot.org]
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/02/13/2147203/despite-media-confusion-raspberry-pi-boards-still-on-schedule?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader [slashdot.org]
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/02/07/0332248/first-run-of-raspberry-pi-boards-to-be-completed-feb-20th?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader [slashdot.org]
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/31/203229/why-the-raspberry-pi-wont-ship-in-kit-form?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader [slashdot.org]
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/01/25/1543239/xbmc-running-on-raspberry-pi?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader [slashdot.org]
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/17/0014220/raspberry-pi-25-linux-computer-now-in-production-video?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader [slashdot.org]
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/01/11/1332222/british-schoolchildren-to-get-programming-lessons?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader [slashdot.org]
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/09/1413253/raspberry-pi-gertboard-in-action?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader [slashdot.org]

That's just this year.

Re:Is it too much to ask (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196759)

If only there was a way to search for information and terms you are unfamiliar with. Someone should write something like that.

Re:Is it too much to ask (2)

Chatsubo (807023) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196883)

Please return your Geek card for a full refund.

Y'all gonna hate on me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196367)

I completed my order 15 minutes after they opened the floodgates. :)

Will order another couple when the supply stabilizes in a few months

Major disappointment to say the least. (5, Informative)

jwijnands (2313022) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196381)

A scene in a living room in the Netherlands, just finishing my second cup of coffee...The Raspberrypi.org site displayed a cryptic message late yesterday which trigger a change notification email to me. This morning it has been down.
0700 CET, I hit refresh, again. Suddenly the raspberrypi.org site is alive again.


Huh, who are these Premier Farnell and RS Components companies? I'd expected these in the store on raspberry.com.

Ah well...

Farnell crashes in the first 90 seconds and stays down. RS has a few international sites that occasionally show signs of live. The Raspberry Pi is listed for 27,49 excluding tax. Including tax that $25-$35 computer suddenly sells for $42,50. Ah well.. oh, and 6 euros shipping ex tax. Hm, site crashes again. Hang on, they don't really want to deliver to consumers when an order is less than 50 euros.
Farnell has now been visited by some people and this company is at least as bad. In quite a few countries it seems not to do business with consumers at all.
At almost 1000 I finally manage to stay on a site long enough to actually click something into the basket. By then the feeble stocks have long been depleted.

What I wonder...
- why work with distributors who do NOT want to sell to private individuals?
- why work with consumers who are obviously unwilling or unable to handle a sizeable traffic load?
- Why such a small batch of boards in the first place?


Disappointing all around. I'm sure I'll get one sooner or later but I'm not going to pay a fortune for one.

Model A vs Model B (5, Informative)

Dan East (318230) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196391)

This seems to have gotten lost in the commotion, but they also announced that the $25 Model A will be produced with the same amount of RAM as the $35 Model B (256 MB). Originally the Model A was only going to have 128 MB, so now the only difference is the Model B has an ethernet port. The Model A is going into production immediately.

Re:Model A vs Model B (2)

PremiumCarrion (861236) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196443)

The model B also has 2 USB (instead of 1) ports.

Re:Model A vs Model B (5, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196623)

Strictly speaking; the SoC on both(being, after all, the same part, now even with the same PoP RAM option) has 1 USB port. The model B has an SMSC LAN9512 chip attached to the SoC's USB port, which is a single-chip USB-ethernet and USB hub part, providing one ethernet port and 2 USB ports. The A has just the SoC port with nothing downstream...

Makes me wish I'd picked up a few more of those now-fallen-out-of-favor USB 'docking stations' when Microcenter was blowing them out for $8... As a standalone part, the B is a trivially better product, $10 seems a trifle high for just the LAN9512 and connectors; but a USB hub and ethernet dongle will be uglier, and both for under $10 will be a bit tricky. Connected to a USB docking station, though...

Re:Model A vs Model B (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196919)

Trifling over $10? I'd be hard pressed to find labor to attach a USB & ethernet port to anything for $10/unit, even if the parts were free. Sure, you can get it done at Foxconn for $0.10, but given a choice, I'd rather not live there.

Re:Model A vs Model B (3, Insightful)

Howard Beale (92386) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196707)

At this point, why even have the Model A? If anything scrap the A and make a 'C' model: 512 MB RAM, and wireless.

Disappointed although not very. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196559)

Rather disappointed with Farnell. I mainly order through them because I find RS inflexible. In this case though, Farnell lose on two points - first their web serving is dire, And second, and this is unforgivable, their price for the Pi looks like it has VAT (sales tax) added, but on ordering, it's added again. I hope someone from Farnell will see fit to explain.

Re:Disappointed although not very. (1)

blane.bramble (133160) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196781)

Shipping is included in the Farnell price, but not in the RS price.

Worst launch ever (1)

TrumpetX (445716) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196621)

This was really the worst product launch ever. I was refreshing their page from 5 minutes prior and hit their distributor's pages in seconds after the announcement. Nothing... I couldn't get past the first page before the site went down. I have to say it was VERY disappointing. I'd have been happy with not getting one because I didn't click fast enough, but not getting one because of a random server outage? yea, I'm not very happy right now -- especially after following the product for such a long time.

Where is the gertboard? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196651)

I was hoping that would be available at the same time as the pi

Vaporware (-1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196833)

This is bullshit. You'll never get one of these, or if you do, you'll go through hours of trying and end up spending $150 or so for each "$25" computer. What a scam.

Re:Vaporware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196947)

I hope you don't get one. More for kids in UK schools and in developing countries and less for loud mouth yanks, whining cos they didn't get their own way immediately like they are clearly used to.

I know they felt pressure to deliver, but (1)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196847)

I don't understand why they didn't make sure they got all the kinks out and delivered on 03/14.

Yeah right (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196875)

Aint never going to see this thing.

bullshit launch (1)

panzar (2536202) | more than 2 years ago | (#39196937)

Huge bullshit launch ! I ordered one at 6.12 and got confirmation ... then i got an email saying it was out of stock ... result I have to wait 6 weeks to get one that was at farnell ... at RS you could only preorder. what bothers me the most is that they dropped the hot potato into a licensed sales model ... hope the chinese will copy it fast and cheap !

Not available in Canada you say... pity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39196963)

RS Component worldwide links to he following address in Canada: http://www.alliedelec.com/new/

Which has no mention of Raspberry Pi anywhere on it.

Maybe if we all go back to Seneca College there is still room in the RPI Fedora program?

Just a thought.

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