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North Korea Agrees To Suspend Nuclear Activities

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the otherwise-we'll-nuke-you dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes writes "In a breakthrough in negotiations with the secretive communist nation the Guardian reports that North Korea has agreed to suspend nuclear activities and to a moratorium on nuclear and long-range missile tests. According to U.S. State department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, North Korea has agreed to allow International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors to verify and monitor the moratorium on uranium enrichment and confirm disablement of its nuclear reactor at Yongbyon. In return for the moratorium on nuclear activities at this key site, the United States has agreed to finalize a package of 240,000 metric tons of nutritional assistance to North Korea. There will be intensive monitoring to assure the delivery of such assistance is made to those in need, and not diverted to the military or government elites."

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So? (0, Offtopic)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199561)

North Korea still the best Korea!

Re:So? (1)

eternaldoctorwho (2563923) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199951)

But.....Biggest Korea is best Korea!

Re:So? (4, Funny)

gnick (1211984) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200057)

North Korea still the best Korea!

No way - North Korea has no Seoul.

Still in violation (4, Interesting)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199597)

In 1992 North Korea agreed to keep the peninsula free of nuclear weapons.

But let's be optimistic, maybe this time around the inspectors will be allowed to do inspections.

Re:Still in violation (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39199677)

In 1992 North Korea agreed to keep the peninsula free of nuclear weapons.

and in return the U.S., Japan and S. Korea would build light water reactors in N. Korea. The construction stalled and the rest is history. It is not just about whether N.Korea allows inspectors. There is no free lunch. N. Korea won't give it up without rewards.

Re:Still in violation (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200781)

There is no free lunch. N. Korea won't give it up without rewards.

How ironic. Apparently all N. Korea has to do to get it's free lunch is... nothing. I'd call it extortion but, while I realize the dangers of certain countries having nuclear weapons, I don't believe we have the right to deny them or dictate to other countries. But that's just me.

Re:Still in violation (4, Insightful)

HBI (604924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199693)

Next time they want something, the inspectors are kicked out and more nuke and missile tests.

Essentially, we bribed them with food to keep quiet through an election year. Nice.

Re:Still in violation (5, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199891)

Alternatively, we sent desperately needed food to people who are starving to death by the tens of thousands and got a temporary concession out of the North Korean government in the process. And don't tell me it just supports the dictatorship either, do you really think the people of North Korea are about to rise up and overthrow the Kim family business? It's not going to happen until something major goes down, either a military coupe from within or a 2 week war with one of their neighbors, neither of which will be effected by us giving them food aide.

Re:Still in violation (4, Interesting)

HBI (604924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199959)

Starvation is a great motivator. Feeding the people extends the regime's lifespan. Stalin feared famine. Napoleon understood this. The Romans understood it, too.

Re:Still in violation (5, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200111)

Stalin used famine to crush those who opposed him. He caused one! Holodomor not ringing a fucking bell for you?

North Korea saw true famine in the 90s, it only made their people more sure that the west was the evil empire. Famine only proves to the people of North Korea that we are their enemies and only the Kims are keeping them alive.

Re:Still in violation (1, Informative)

HBI (604924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200201)

North Korea saw true famine in the 90s, it only made their people more sure that the west was the evil empire. Famine only proves to the people of North Korea that we are their enemies and only the Kims are keeping them alive.

Citation, please.

Stalin starved relatively small minorities of his population. Stalin accepted vast amounts of Western aid during WWII to avoid famine amongst the Great Russian population. He would not have done this if he could have avoided it. Those cans of spam were a message to his people that they heard loud and clear, as later evidence proved.

A better argument against me would have been based on the effects of that western aid on the Soviet Union. Of course, the desired result took the better part of 50 years to realize.

Re:Still in violation (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200313)

You don't know about the North Korean Famine?
The "Arduous March" is not something you are familier with, but you think we should take your opinion seriously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine [wikipedia.org]

Famine is not new to North Korea, it will not topple their regime.

Re:Still in violation (3, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200347)

So genocide is a relatively small thing?
Google Holodomor. 2+ million people died, at the very least. The state prevented food aid from reaching these people. Even the US govt recognizes this as an act of genocide.

Re:Still in violation (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200717)

Here's a little tidbit from Slate: ... he seized all the grain and food that was grown in 1932 and 1933 to feed the rest of Russia and raise foreign capital, and in doing so left the entire Ukrainian people with nothing to eat—except, sometimes, themselves. ...

One more horror story. About a group of women who sought to protect children from cannibals by gathering them in an "orphanage" in the Kharkov region:

        "One day the children suddenly fell silent, we turned around to see what was happening, and they were eating the smallest child, little Petrus. They were tearing strips from him and eating them. And Petrus was doing the same, he was tearing strips from himself and eating them, he ate as much as he could. The other children put their lips to his wounds and drank his blood. We took the child away from their hungry mouths and we cried."

If interested, read the whole article at http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/stalins_cannibals.single.html

Re:Still in violation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200285)

What history class did you attend where Stalin feared famine? He was the greatest perpetrator of genocide precisely because he used genocide as a weapon against his own people.

Re:Still in violation (2)

Bardwick (696376) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200341)

By most accounts, that food went to feed the military, not the civilians. I'm with you though, no chance NK citizens will go against thier government.

Re:Still in violation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200663)

"It's not going to happen until something major goes down, either a military coupe"

I guess they don't have AAA over there.

Re:Still in violation (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200015)

I'm not sure that feeding starving people counts as a "bribe" per say.

More likely it's the new leader trying to shower his people with food to associate a good year with his rise to power--and an attempt at good will from the international community who are hoping they can relax.

Re:Still in violation (3, Informative)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200481)

It's so cute that you think they'll will actually use this food for anything but feeding the military and the government people or to sell it for money. You do realize that dictators routinely lie about these things, right?

Everything is different [Re:Still in violation] (1)

Geoffrey.landis (926948) | more than 2 years ago | (#39201107)

More likely it's the new leader trying to shower his people with food to associate a good year with his rise to power--and an attempt at good will from the international community who are hoping they can relax.

Exactly. It's worth noting that this is a completely new leader than Kim Jong-il, who is the one who set N. Korea to developing nuclear weapons. It's yet to be seen what he does.

Most notably, Kim Jong-un was born nearly thirty years after the Korean war. His viewpoint on politics is going to be vastly different than the previous generation.

That doesn't mean "celebrate, Korea is going to be a free country and flying unicorns are going to be dropping gold nuggets from the clouds." It does mean "things are likely to change, don't expect the new North Korea to be identical to the old one."

Re:Still in violation (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200241)

There's that. There is also the possibility of starting on real reform after the "Dear Leader" died knowing that leading the way his father did only leads to ruin. Assuming for a moment he even remotely cares. I doubt the son has much power though. The consolidation and stronghold, while impressive, has always been on the waning side starting with Kim Jong Il. Perhaps it's all smoke in mirrors and what we're really seeing is political infighting. Who the hell knows. Just my two cents.

Cost effective (1)

Livius (318358) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200767)

It's a long shot, but the price is cheap compared to wars.

Metric 'Tons'? (1, Insightful)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199599)

TONNES!!! /. is truly broken today

Re:Metric 'Tons'? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39199721)

eurotrash detected

Re:Metric 'Tons'? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39199941)

Merriam Webster (and everyone with a sound knowledge of english) disagrees:

ton: noun \tn\
plural tons also ton

Re:Metric 'Tons'? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200301)

Actually, most people with a sound knowledge of English know that A) a ton and a tonne are not the same thing and B) the E in English should be capitalized.

Re:Metric 'Tons'? (4, Funny)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200495)

You misspelled "megagram."

Re:Metric 'Tons'? (2)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200633)

You mean mebigram???

Suspend not end (2)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199607)

Played this game before. As soon as the food arrives they will go back to business as usual. Maybe pump a few more billion counterfeit $100 bills on the European markets.

Re:Suspend not end (3, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199753)

Yes. Once again, the West plays grocery store to NK, propping up the dictatorship so they can continue development of nuclear weapons, sell military tech to our enemies, shell South Korea and oppress their own people to the point of starvation. The phrase rinse and repeat comes to mind.

Re:Suspend not end (3, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199923)

The only way keeping food aide out of North Korea is going to take down the dictatorship is if so many North Korean civilians die of starvation that there aren't enough peasants left to support the military. The upper levels just don't care if their people die, and the common people are too overworked, hungry, brainwashed, and outnumbered to even consider rising up in rebellion.

Re:Suspend not end (3, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200125)

The lack of food giveaways may not bring down the NK dictatorship, but the presence of the aid helps it. Why pay to help a government that is so immutably hostile to us? It does nothing to further our interests. We get no real concessions, just lip service until they have extracted more tribute from us. This is not theoretical, we have been down this road many times before and NK has proven themselves reliably dishonest.

NK is China's client state, let China feed their populace.

Re:Suspend not end (5, Insightful)

PRMan (959735) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200327)

There is a new leader. A goodwill gesture toward getting him to be friends with the international community is not a lost cause. He is not his father and may decide that he would rather move in the direction that China has moved. This is a good move for the US to make.

Re:Suspend not end (4, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200729)

There is a new leader. A goodwill gesture toward getting him to be friends with the international community is not a lost cause.

I like your optimism. Mine is exhausted by decades of history on this issue, but I salute your willingness to try again.

Been there, done that (5, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199635)

I'm more than a little Tired of reading about all these triumphant negotiation sessions over the years where NK promises to be a good boy just long enough to get the trade concessions, only to violate the agreement shortly there after. This is like the third or forth president in a row that has been duped by these tactics. As each agreement falls apart, there are the usual dire warnings about "grave consequences". These are the code words by which the US State Department looks tough, but signals the other side that the only "grave" involved is the one in which the whole issue will be buried as soon as the grandstanding is over with.

Son of Whack-Job, and Grandson of Whack-a-Doodle has absolutely no incentive to honor this agreement any more than his predecessors did the prior ones. However, a certain government leader needs a feather in his re-election hat. So we get another useless agreement with a perpetual liar state.

 

Re:Been there, done that (5, Insightful)

tomhath (637240) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199735)

Oh for some mod points...

Yea, Six Party talks, humanitarian assistance, blah, blah, blah. Instead of giving them the reward ahead of time, how about an agreement where they have to do something first and get the carrot afterward?

Re:Been there, done that (2)

khallow (566160) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200595)

Let's not go crazy here. They wouldn't agree to that sort of thing, because that would mean they'd have to do something.

China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39199743)

Things won't change until China gets on board.

The last thing we'll do is get into another conflict and repeat the Korean War - everybody knows this.

Re:China (2)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200361)

Actually, China has been feeding NK for 10s years. It dropped somewhat in 2008 due to shortages in China, (in fact China has started importing grain from Kazakhstan in 2010). Russia, on the other hand has stepped up their humanitarian aid to NK in recent years.

NK provides the crazy uncle that China needs to cover some of the things it does in regard to Tibet, Taiwan, and Iran. China is not going to get on board with any program of regime change in NK.

Re:China (3, Interesting)

VikingOfNorth (2570199) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200915)

NK provides the crazy uncle that China needs to cover some of the things it does in regard to Tibet, Taiwan, and Iran. China is not going to get on board with any program of regime change in NK.

I know this isn't of much value since I can't quote my references, but I remember hearing/reading about this particular matter and it actually seems China is getting slightly frustrated with its "crazy uncle". It makes sense, actually: NK requires a lot of material aid yet provides very little of concrete value in return. The only thing China really wants from NK is to act as a strong buffer against the capitalistic influence of SK, and by now, I suppose they've realized that this particular concern is rather insignificant. If NK becomes even more dependant on Chinese aid, it's possible that even China will have a change of mind.

It's also hard to believe that China is particularly happy about a "new" nuclear power rising very close to it's borders, especially since the ruling despot family has proven to be very eager to test its arsenal every once in a while.

Re:Been there, done that (5, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199777)

A lot of oppressed, hungry people will get some food to eat. It will be like Christmas for them.

Isn't that a good enough reason to allow yourself to be "duped" once in a while...?

Re:Been there, done that (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200231)

A lot of oppressing, poorly-fed soldiers will get more food to eat plus some for their relatives. It will be like Christmas for them as they get to use the extra food to reward their favorites.

Isn't that a good enough reason to allow yourself to be "duped" once in a while...?

FTFY

Re:Been there, done that (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200293)

What makes you think this is going to help the poor people in North Korea. Dollars to donuts, this food gets resold to generate cash which is then used to prop up the regime. Which, in a few months, will restart (assuming they ever stopped) their nuclear and missile programs.

Re:Been there, done that (2)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200375)

A lot of oppressed, hungry people will get some food to eat. It will be like Christmas for them.

Isn't that a good enough reason to allow yourself to be "duped" once in a while...?

Sure. Humanitarian aid is fine.

Just don't sell it as a nuclear agreement.

Hungry Readers (1)

Dareth (47614) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200637)

Still not a justification for all the "Duped" articles posted on Slashdot!

But nice try anyway! :)

Re:Been there, done that (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200693)

Just as long as every single tin of Spam has the US State Department seal stamped into the side of it, so that the people know where it came from.

Enough is enough.

Re:Been there, done that (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199837)

The plain fact of the matter is that people are starving in North Korea, not a handful, not by the hundreds, but by the thousands or tens of thousands. I'm well away that giving food aid is seen by some as supporting the regime but in all honesty I don't see the people of North Korea rising up to overthrow their oppressors in any event. Given the choice between letting tens of thousands of people die so that we can look tough or sending some food... I'm gonna send the food. I may as well try to get some concessions, even temporary ones, as part of the bargain.

Re:Been there, done that (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200215)

The plain fact of the matter is that people are starving in North Korea, not a handful, not by the hundreds, but by the thousands or tens of thousands.

Guess what everyone wants to do to Iran?

Re:Been there, done that (3, Insightful)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200297)

This is like coming to a conclusion with an abusive husband that you'll supply his wife with band-aids.

Re:Been there, done that (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200443)

This is like coming to a conclusion with an abusive husband that you'll supply his wife with band-aids.

No, it's like coming to a conclusion with an abusive husband that you'll supply *him* with band-aids, with the assurance that they'll be used to treat his wife. You never actually get to see if the band-aids are used that way, though.

Re:Been there, done that (1)

TheSync (5291) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200345)

Given the choice between letting tens of thousands of people die so that we can look tough or sending some food... I'm gonna send the food.

Much of the food is likely to end up profiting government elites...exactly how much will make it to the starving masses is unclear.

Re:Been there, done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200445)

Right, like the elite are going to be out in the streets of Tokyo hawking the stockpiles of food... Seriously, where else but the NK population are you envisioning this aid is going to go?

Re:Been there, done that (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200407)

im all for it as long as one thing is sorted

MAKE SURE THAT THE POOR FOLKS ACTUALLY GET FED.

If the papers say that this block was given X pounds of rice , Y dozen jars of Kimchee and Z pounds of chicken then i want to see proof that it landed up on tables in that block.

Otherwise it will be shunted to some warehouse sold and things will be WORSE

Re:Been there, done that (1)

Bardwick (696376) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200457)

How many times will you do that to a openly hostile military based nation with nuclear weapons? Most of the food will feed the army, who just recently threatened war over being able to see christmas lights across the border? I have no problem sending them food, as long as the people that recieve it are told that it came from the United States.

Re:Been there, done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39199919)

Son of Whack-Job, and Grandson of Whack-a-Doodle has absolutely no incentive to honor this agreement

This. Khadaffy honored his agreements with the West and look what his reward was.

Re:Been there, done that (2)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199947)

We sat to the side for decades upon decades until the people of Libya gave us the choice of allowing them to be slaughtered or giving minimal aid that allows for self-governance? I think he got a pretty good deal out of it, really.

Re:Been there, done that (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200117)

We sat to the side for decades upon decades until the people of Libya gave us the choice of allowing them to be slaughtered or giving minimal aid that allows for self-governance? I think he got a pretty good deal out of it, really.

And you sound like EXACTLY the type of person that would have bitched loudly had we not "sat to the side" for decades.

We got nothing out of this except a dumping ground for excess grain inventory that might not depress market prices by being resold.
That's fine, bill it as humanitarian aid, and call it done. But trying to suggest we got a nuclear deal out of the bargain is simply
unbelievable.

If anything this signals that China is getting fed up with feeding NK.

Re:Been there, done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200489)

A good deal? He's dead, dumbass.

We're talking about the WMD deal of 2003. Decades? 2011 (year of his death) - 2003 (year of the WMD deal) = 8

Re:Been there, done that (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 2 years ago | (#39201085)

There is a big different now. Their previous policies were under the new deceased leader who was very isolationist by nature. His son, was traveled and educated in and around Europe growing up. He knows how the world works, and enjoyed many of the freedoms that came with it.

That is the only reason we are talking. If Kim were still alive, we would have never bothered. However, his son may have different ideas how he would like to run the country.

Hmm... (1)

KBehemoth (2519358) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199641)

These 240,000 metric tons of nutritional assistance... surely these will be cakes [imgur.com] ?

North Korea agrees ... (1)

jamesl (106902) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199733)

... to suspend nuclear activities.

Again.

Re:North Korea agrees ... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199835)

Perhaps the new leader is a bit more sane, and actually looking for the welfare of his country. We have a younger leader who never really really felt the strong hand of the cold war or the revolution. He probably has a more world view that in order for his country to succeed that it needs to dig it self out of its own mess.

Re:North Korea agrees ... (1)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199987)

Assuming he's really the leader of course.

Re:North Korea agrees ... (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200723)

Or, he's counting on the optimistic left to get duped into thinking that, again; and just like in a Peanuts comic where Charlie Brown is going to kick the football, Lucy just yanks it away one more time.

I believe the phrase you're looking for here is "oh, bother."

Now we're in trouble (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39199751)

When North Korea kept saying how it was becoming a nuclear power and testing missiles, you knew they pretty much were having a strongman throw wood-and-crushed-soda-can toasters into the ocean. Now, perhaps, they've managed to actually do something.

North Korea promises it will (AGAIN) (0)

Bardwick (696376) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199759)

The first time they promised they ment it. Second time they REALLY ment it. It's different this time though, this time they REALLY REALLY mean it. In other news, a spoiled little brat isn't getting attention so he's acting out.. news at 11.

As Usual... (4, Interesting)

JeanCroix (99825) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199769)

Hoping for the best, expecting the worst. Could the change in leadership really amount to actual change this quickly?

Three biggest lies ... (2)

jamesl (106902) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199801)

I'm from corporate and I'm here to help.
The check's in the mail.
Korea agrees to suspend nuclear activities.

Re:Three biggest lies ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39199949)

You forgot 'I won't come in your mouth'.

In related news... (2)

TheDan666 (709087) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199807)

North Korea describes fantastic bridge you can buy.

Suspending... (1)

zrbyte (1666979) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199809)

... until the next shipment of food aid is within the country borders. Then, they'll just go back to sabre rattling.

It's a job for... (1)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199827)

North Korea has agreed to allow International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors to verify and monitor the moratorium on uranium enrichment and confirm disablement of its nuclear reactor at Yongbyon.

Hans Brix!

Great Success! (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199829)

Great Success! Eternal Leader would be proud.

-Great Successor

Not that they needed nukes to begin with... (3, Insightful)

l00sr (266426) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199847)

Unlike, say, Iran, NK doesn't actually need nukes to level its sworn enemy. It would probably be faster and more convenient to just level Seoul with conventional artillery. Is there any doubt that their nuclear program is just a bartering commodity for aid?

Re:Not that they needed nukes to begin with... (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200431)

There's also money to selling either the refined material or other components to make a bomb. I'm sure Iran among other nations are one some sort of waiting list to purchase at a moments notice.

Kim Jong-un (5, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199905)

You get one chance to keep your word. This is it.

Re:Kim Jong-un (1)

Myopic (18616) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200967)

I doubt it. We'll see this headline in 2018, except where today it reads "Barack Obama", then it will say "Jeb Bush".

But, I share your hope, just not much of it.

I've seen this movie before. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39199935)

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me five or six times... and I'm an American diplomat dealing with North Korea.

Re:I've seen this movie before. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200089)

Or a Chicago Cubs fan.

It's either this or send in the Marines (4, Insightful)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39199979)

Talk is cheap, but at least it's cheaper than body bags. I do like that even the most official statements on this seem to be the equivalent of "Welp, here we go again."

“The United States still has profound concerns regarding North Korean behavior across a wide range of areas, but today’s announcement reflects important, if limited, progress in addressing some of these,” said State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland.

Those words were echoed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who called the agreement a “modest first step in the right direction.”

I think that's Pol-speak for "We've played this game before, we know how it ends, but what's the alternative?"

Why is the USA footing the bill? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200085)

It seems like the USA is always picking up the tab on stuff like this. Why not NATO?

Re:Why is the USA footing the bill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200387)

Because you rednecks are always stupid enough to pick up the check?

Free cake (1)

docilespelunker (1883198) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200099)

So, if I start a nuclear programme and then stop, someone will give me a quarter of a million tonnes of cake..? This could be worth a go!

Obama is a traitor (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200149)

That's what we get for having Obama in office. If GWB were still in office he would have opened a 3rd front. Traitor! TRAITOR, I tell you... to the military-industrial complex and far-right nutjob goldhoarders who are cheering for the destruction of the US and our currency.

Part of the deal (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200153)

is that Best Korea will now be printing all 100 dollar bills and passing the savings along to the US Treasury. Plus some vague rider about extraditing Trey Parker and Matt Stone to Pyongyang.

What a joke... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200165)

And the punch line is they were joking - right? Do moonbats love missing the football when Lucy pulls it away or what?

Randomly evil thought.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200331)

...wonder if there's an insidious slow-acting toxin/poison they could use that wouldn't be noticeable for a few weeks - solving the North Korean issue once and for all.

Mind you backlash when found out would be horrendous, but I'm sure someone could be set-up for scapegoat.

Not that I'm advocating this by any means (indifferent to NKorea as they stay within the borders of the Koreas) , just am curious it's not tried. Well, other than that whole pesky SKorea getting nailed hard if/when it's figured out...but at least would resolve the stalemate.

Re:Randomly evil thought.. (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200529)

not a good idea since we have no problems with the NK people its the leaders we have problems with.

Now maybe sneaking a few folks into place that can make the Leadership suddenly become very aware of Sight Lines (did you know that a british sniper has hit a target from 8120 feet away??) or otherwise feel UnSafe might do some good.

Re:Randomly evil thought.. (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#39201055)

What would the point be? The people in question are already suffering from an insidious slow-acting poison called "not having any food." Do you think the people in North Korea who are actually causing the problems are suffering from any food shortages?

Arguably the most evil thing we could do would be to give them a _lot_ of good and healthy food for a couple years, and then unexpectedly stop. Kind of the inverse of the "give a man a fish/teach a man to fish" thing.

Re:Randomly evil thought.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39201103)

Your suggestion gets pretty much a perfect 10 on the insanity meter.

Missing the point (2)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200505)

Somewhere in the insane ramblings of the original Kim was the comment that no great breakthrough can come without great struggle.

Couple this ideology with the total worship of self-reliance and you can see where this is going:
NK is too proud to ask for food from outsides (it would defeat their total self-reliance) even though it needs it, instead it rattles the sabre and makes threats, then 'agrees' to back down if the West will provide food.

Wash, rinse, repeat. It all comes together if you keep the first fact in mind. This is the way of NK and will be until the gov't is removed from power.

Writes writes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200509)

Who is this "Hugh Pickens writes" guy? I'd prefer if /. editors proofread proofread.

meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200539)

Meanwhile Israel continues to expand its nuclear weapons stockpile, and USA has no problems whatsoever with it (no, instead USA funds it). Talk about double standards..

NK: China's Cheep Labor (1)

TheWizardTim (599546) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200547)

I heard on the radio today that within 5 years we will see Chinese companies build factories in NK because the Chinese factory workers are starting to ask for too much money. Why pay a Chinese worker $1 an hour when you can pay $.05 an hour to a NK factory worker? China will continue to make products for the US, and products made for the Chinese market will be made in NK.

econ 101 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200709)

I will smile when the North Korean government accepts this food aid, then exports it at the market price.

lol

The US has just tricked North Korea! (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200757)

North Korea thinks that it is getting food. Instead, . . .

240,000 metric tons of nutritional assistance

. . . consists of Happy Meals (with toys), Hostess Ding Dongs, Slurpees, Pork Skin Chips, Aerosol Easy Cheese, Chez Doodles, cotton candy, candy corn, etc.

These highly pre-post-processed sugary food stuffs will transform them into fat, lazy drones, unable to construct complicated nuclear weapons.

Re:The US has just tricked North Korea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200949)

Brilliant!

And to anyone who doubts the effectiveness of this strategy, look no further than the US to see how well it works!

Just brilliant!

Re:The US has just tricked North Korea! (1)

gatkinso (15975) | more than 2 years ago | (#39200971)

It seems to be working wonders on the Chinese as well.

So inexpensive (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39200829)

What amazes me about this is that it is so inexpensive for the US. Wheat is less than 300 per metric ton so this is only about $72,000,000. A round off error in the US debt and less than the negotiations probably cost.

Yeeee-haaawwww (1)

Kylon99 (2430624) | more than 2 years ago | (#39201095)

Hugh Pickens? I imagined it was Slim Pickens himself, in a state of despair, at how there will be no need to let the nukes fly at N. Korea. Oh well, plenty of other ways to trigger the Doomsday device.

(I'm going for that -1 Not Obscure Enough Reference Bastard rating!)

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