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Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin Beta 1 Released

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the grappling-gnus dept.

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donadony writes with news about what will become the next LTS release of Ubuntu. From the article: "It's time to take another look at what is happening with the development of Ubuntu 12.04. As it stands, the first Beta of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin has been released. I just updated my own system. What changed since Alpha? Not much, really. In fact, there's really nothing groundbreaking or any new features added. Unity has been updated to version 5.4.0 which also sees the introduction of the new HUD feature. HUD still apparently has many outstanding bugs, but developers maintain that all bugs will be ironed out before Ubuntu 12.04 goes gold. Also added were recommendations to Ubuntu software center, and a new tool called 'privacy' and other small new features."

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All bugs? (5, Insightful)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214331)

developers maintain that all bugs will be ironed out before Ubuntu 12.04 goes gold

Good luck with that.

Re:All bugs? (2)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214411)

I assume they are talking about all major outstanding bugs in their HUD feature.

Re:All bugs? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214433)

And this will be accomplished by re-designating all "Major" bugs to "Minor" 48 hours before Gold Date.

We cut out the hard part and pass the savings on to us!

Re:All bugs? (1)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215067)

well, the price is right.

Re:All bugs? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214925)

I just updated to kubuntu 11.10 a couple of months ago, and am annoyed that it's now almost impossible to highlight more than one item in Dolphin to move to and from the notebook over the network. It's problematic because I'm using that computer as a media center and the keyboard is usually on a shelf.

I wonder if that's fixed? Probably not, but then it's not a Linux or Ubuntu issue, but a KDE issue.

As to the kernel itself, I've never experienced any bugs in it at all (not that there may be some, of course).

Re:All bugs? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215139)

"Probably not, but then it's not a Linux or Ubuntu issue, but a KDE issue." [citation needed]

Kubuntu is a buggy POS, always was. Get over it, get a better KDE dist.

Re:All bugs? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215679)

I would love a better KDE distro, but it has to use the Debian package management system and have huge respositories.
Any suggestions?

Re:All bugs? (4, Interesting)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215517)

I'm frustrated with Dolphin - regardless of distro. It's almost right but then it always has one little frustrating annoyance or another. I've switched to using Krusader on my non-Kubuntu systems (there's a back end bug that fails to copy some files properly on really big large number of files moves, like when I drag and drop my music collection but only on Kubuntu). It took me a while to warm up to it, but Krusader really makes file management easy for me, especially after I start setting bookmarks and I got used to sliding tabs from one side to the other.

Re:All bugs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215839)

You can have my Konqueror when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Re:All bugs? (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215641)

I spent a year waiting for the kernel dev team to realize that Elan touchpads weren't on their list of magic knock responses. A year with the touchpad acting like a PS/2 mouse -- every slight tap was a click, no typing / palm detection, no scrolling. There were a lot of other bugs, but those were mostly driver bugs.

(Still better than Win7)

And thank you, person responding, to say that I should have spend $500 more to get a Linux-powered laptop. I appreciate that.

"Pingolin" in Portuguese (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214377)

Did those guys realize what "pangolin" means in Brazilian Portuguese??
Tip: it's a male organ... (LOL !!!)

Re:"Pingolin" in Portuguese (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214449)

I can find no evidence of your claim, it's certainly not a direct translation. It's possible it's used as slang (bizarre, but I guess possible), but there's a slang meaning for just about any animal in some language, so it's hardly anything to get worked up about. Definitely not worthy of a "LOL!!!" to anyone over the age of 9 (and even then, you should be a little embarrassed about it).

Re:"Pingolin" in Portuguese (2)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215083)

cock jokes are always funny, you humourless clod!

Re:"Pingolin" in Portuguese (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215919)

As a Brazilian, I can find no evidence that you know what you're talking about. It most certainly is well known word in Brazil and quite vulgar.

Re:"Pingolin" in Portuguese (3, Funny)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214753)

Dude. 8.04 was called "Hairy Hardon."

Re:"Pingolin" in Portuguese (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214945)

And 11.10 was "Onanistic Ocelot"

Precise Pangolin (4, Funny)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214383)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaqqV--rnGY [youtube.com]

If I'm going to have a pangolin related song from a cartoon i watched 25 years ago stuck in my head, then I'm taking all of you down with me.

in b4 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214401)

in before L33T power users who can't adjust to a button moving 10 pixels from where it was.

AND it's no longer relevant. (1, Flamebait)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214453)

Thanks to dropping Kubuntu funding [slashdot.org] makes them irrelevant to me, I've moved on to Linux Mint for my netbook and everything else will soon follow. The fact they're feeding Unity to their Gnome people like parent makes a three year old take nasty tasting medicine doesn't help much either.

Ubuntu is a turd spinning on it's way down post-flush.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214535)

Umm...why?

Unity was pretty buggy when it was first released but you could say that about practically every piece of OSS that's ever been released. It's since matured quite a bit, and if you like a tablet-style interface for your desktop (or just something a bit different from whatever version of Windows is popular at the time), what's wrong with it?

Kubuntu doesn't need funding to continue on existing, that's up to the community and the package maintainers. If they dry up and disappear than maybe it's a lack of interest for KDE on Ubuntu that's the real problem.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (5, Insightful)

grimmjeeper (2301232) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214943)

The bugs in unity are not the biggest problem people have with Ubuntu and Unity. Linux users of all types are used to buggy code.

No, the problem is Unity itself. It's a UI that just doesn't appeal to many Linux users. Some people love it. Sure. But a lot of us can't stand all of the crap and bloat that has infected user interfaces over the years. A lot of us want a simple and clean interface that stays out of the way. I want to be able to fire up a browser or three, my IDE, my email, a file manager, and once in a while a terminal or two. I want simple buttons and menus and a UI that lets me move windows around without all sorts of flashy special effects that get in the way. I want a couple of "desktops" so that I can leave my development area as it is while I type up a document on a word processor.

I'm not running a tablet. I don't need my UI to act like one. I have a full keyboard and mouse and I'm doing real work with real programs. I want a simple interface that lets me do that. For me, Linux Mint gives me all of what was great about Ubuntu but with a UI that I can tailor to my liking. I fire up my desktop with MATE, which is still a little buggy, and I get things done.

If you like Unity, go ahead and use it. But for people who like KDE and the old GNOME 2.x UI, Ubuntu has driven itself into irrelevance.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (3, Informative)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215125)

all due respect, i am running 10.10 netbook remix (first test of unity), and i currently have 3 browsers open, 3 terminals, a photo-editing app (darktable is pretty damn good these days) which i compile myself, plus skype, and occasionally dosbox'd doom2 and carmageddon.

the interface will get out of your way if you hit f11.

just sayin'. unity is certainly not perfect, but i use the sidebar more often than not. some stuff i'll launch from a terminal.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215135)

and the 4 desktop button thingy is still there, but coming from windows i'm an alt+tab man myself. i use it when i need it.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (5, Insightful)

grimmjeeper (2301232) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215193)

all due respect, i am running 10.10 netbook remix (first test of unity), and i currently have 3 browsers open, 3 terminals, a photo-editing app (darktable is pretty damn good these days) which i compile myself, plus skype, and occasionally dosbox'd doom2 and carmageddon.

the interface will get out of your way if you hit f11.

just sayin'. unity is certainly not perfect, but i use the sidebar more often than not. some stuff i'll launch from a terminal.

If you like Unity, great. Use it. But for a lot of us, we don't want to have a side bar. We don't want all of these tablet like "features". We don't want to have to hit F11 for the UI to get out of the way. We want the UI to be out of the way as a matter of design. So for us, Ubuntu is irrelevant. But that doesn't mean you have to do what we do.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (3, Informative)

IronHalik (1568993) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215357)

How come you refer to single people who like Unity, and you say 'we' when referring to those who don't? As far as I can tell, from Ubuntu IRC channels, people who are so troubled by Unity are in minority. Very loud minority.

If you don't like it, there's XFCE for you - it has been branded as the 'proper' DE by Torvalds himself.

For me, Unity allows for less clutter, faster access to files and software, more real estate. What it could do, is use Mutter instead of Compiz - it's faster and less bloated. (Gnome-shell uses it)

Gnome and Ubuntu are losing to other distros (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215457)

people who are so troubled by Unity are in minority.

Have you noticed that Unbuntu has been overtaken by other distros? End users are speaking, and Gnome developers are not listening. I am not the first to notice.

Why Isn't GNOME Listening?

What has GNOME learned from user reactions to GNOME 3? Apparently, only how to ignore feedback. ...

In fact, GNOME appears so little interested in feedback that Day simply turned off comments after 115 had been posted. The comments were not particularly hostile -- some were favorable and almost all of them polite and informed -- but the comments were cut off, despite the obvious eagerness for discussion.

http://www.datamation.com/open-source/why-isnt-gnome-listening-1.html

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215769)

I'm sorry what is the 2nd person plural?

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (2)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215861)

I'm sorry what is the 2nd person plural?

I believe that would be you'uns [wikipedia.org] (sometimes pronounced "yens" or "yins"). For example: "Are you'uns going to the store?"

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215483)

Getting out of your way doesn't mean it's hidden. It means to not be annoying. This an important concept a lot of people don't seem to understand.

I open Firefox then switch back to Thunderbird to continue replying to an email (I've got a bunch of tabs open and it takes a little while to load) but Firefox jumps into full focus a few moments later. I minimize Firefox and go back to typing a reply. A little while later Firefox (many other programs do it too) jumps into full focus again (maxmized with text fields active) and it's still not fully loaded! In addition, Firefox focused itself right before I pressed Enter to send my new reply and instead I typed "nks" into the search bar and just searched for that term replacing whatever tab was being loaded with the search results. Now I've got to hit back for that tab, switch back to Thunderbird, finish typing "thanks", and 're'-send the email all while hoping Firefox doesn't STEAL focus again. One simple task (replying to an email while Firefox loaded in the background) turned into a frustrating battle between me and the UI that wasted time and made me pissed off.

Argh, fuck you window manager. If I tell a wndow to minimize it should stay minimized until I say otherwirse. If it wants my attention, it can flash it's little spot on the taskbar and wait for me to get around to it. Having a pop-up prompt/notification doesn't meant it can steal focus from my current window either.

Annoying UI issues like these is why I don't recommend Linux to family and relatives. I use Linux Mint Debian Edition (Ubuntu did it too) and Windows 7 (has different problems).

Arrrrgh. While typing this post, Thunderbird popped up it's new email message which blocked the text I was editing to fix a typo. Current UI usability sucks. You guys can do better. The graphics might be polished, but everything else isn't. Would you eat a turd if it came with granish?

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215865)

Doom 2 in dosbox? You're doing it wrong. Check out a modern source port like GZDoom / ZDoom or even Skulltag.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215997)

twm is still nice sometimes too, although metacity will probably be light enough for most situations.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214979)

What's wrong with it?

You said so yourself. Tablet interface. I DONT USE A FUCKING TABLET

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214993)

if you like a tablet-style interface for your desktop (or just something a bit different from whatever version of Windows is popular at the time), what's wrong with it?

Well, that's the thing -- I don't want a tablet style interface and don't care if it's anything like Windows or not. I've been using KDE for almost a decade

That's one thing I love about Linux and hate about Windows -- I don't have to relearn a new interface every time it's upgraded. And I never did like Gnome.

I have a Mint installation ISO, I may try it. Not sure what desktop it uses, change for the sake of change is counterproductive. I need a damned good reason to learn a new interface, there are far more interesting things to learn.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214585)

Yup, Unity is the reason I'm still running 10.10

Version 11+ seems to be dumbing down the OS much like Windows exists today. I understand they want to
appeal to a greater number of users but, in my opinion, it's a step in the wrong direction for Ubuntu.

Xubuntu or PCLinuxOS (2)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214769)

Yup, Unity is the reason I'm still running 10.10

Version 11+ seems to be dumbing down the OS much like Windows exists today. I understand they want to appeal to a greater number of users but, in my opinion, it's a step in the wrong direction for Ubuntu.

I'm running 10.04 LTS, and will continue to do so for a while. Most likely, the two PCs with the gnome interface will be upgraded to use xfce (i.e. Ubuntu 10.04 will become Xubuntu 12.04 LTS). One of our PCs already uses Xubuntu 10.04 LTS, so it will be a straight upgrade. I have installed Ubuntu 11.10 on a VM, and it sucks; I've also installed Linux Mint (menu sucks and can't be avoided), Suse (menu and other stuff sucks), etc. on VMs, and the only one which has a chance of supplanting Ubuntu is one of the flavors of PCLinuxOS.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214777)

I'm on 11.10 but with Xubuntu. It's nice.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1)

craigminah (1885846) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214813)

Same here...been a fan of Ubuntu from v5.04 but once they went Unity I stuck with 10.10. A shame really since Ubuntu was a goog everyday ordinary user version of Linux but there are plenty of great distros out there. XFCE is my Gnome3 alternative...

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (4, Informative)

g2devi (898503) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215025)

I'm on 11.10 now after stalling at 10.10 until about a month ago. I figured GNOME 2.0 is on the way out so I'd eventually have to get used to some other environment.

I gave Unity a shot, but it was too slow. Unity 2D is pretty snappy and not too bad, but it's really meant only for people who run one application at a time. I don't so it was always getting in my way. I couldn't stand Kubuntu and Lubuntu felt awkward.

But Xubuntu is most definitely a viable option even if it is a step down from GNOME 2.x.

I would have settled on XFCE, but discovered to my surprise that GNOME Shell with extensions gives you 95% of everything GNOME 2.0 did and has almost the same look and feel. It's what I'm using now and I'd rather move to Debian than give it up (if Ubuntu stopped supporting it).

So I'd suggest to take the plunge and upgrade. You have at least two viable options awaiting you.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (5, Informative)

emblemparade (774653) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214587)

The funding amounted to paying one single Canonical employee to work specifically on Kubuntu.

Kubuntu is remaining an official Ubuntu variant and will continue to be updated by the community. Moreover, bugs to the KDE package (which is part of the main repository) will continue to be fixed by anyone at Canonical, and patches will continue to be sent upstream.

The "drop funding" issue has been blown out of proportion.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (5, Informative)

JRiddell (216337) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214595)

Please stay with us. I will be making an announcement soon which will explain how Kubuntu will continue after 12.04 just as it did for 11.10 (when Canonical also did not fund anyone to work on it).

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (2)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215353)

Well, I have Kubuntu on my main system that I'm using now and on two laptops rarely used, but still relevant. I have Mythbuntu on my daughters netbook with MythTV stripped out since it frustrated me and XBMC in its place. Sounds silly but it works great. Currently the only thing I have running Linux Mint is my netbook, which I actually use all the time when I'm on the go, I got a buggy KDE issue I had trouble resolving and instead of just deleting my config files and starting over on KDE only (my usual shotgun fix when I can't isolate the problem) I switched to Mint since the bug appeared quite close to the de-funding announcement.

My staying with you depends on my motivation to re-install my other systems.

Re-installing from scratch isn't particularly difficult, I always start fresh to prevent buggy little issues I have to chase down, the type that can happen by migrating and trying to save a massive number of configs.

I'm staying with you on the other systems as long as you don't motivate me to leave and I don't find some other reason to re-install, such as a failed hard disk. I switched to Kubuntu from Debian due to Debian motivating me through "stable" issues [slashdot.org] . Keeping me from switching out of frustration is up to you keeping things working with a minimum of frustrating troubleshooting. Keeping me when I get the next new system or the next hard disk failure depends not only keeping the frustration down but also making me feel like my choice of desktops is something you respect.

BTW - fixing krename and making SNES work on AMD 64 wouldn't hurt either.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1)

scrib (1277042) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214597)

Does it matter that Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu?

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214793)

I can't speak for the OP. But I also left Ubuntu because of Unity, which I found to be annoying, inconfigurable and unintuitive. Ubuntu itself is fine. There are a few graphs on Distrowatch suggesting (it's difficult to get accurate figures about Linux distro usage) something of an exodus of Ubuntu users exactly when Unity was imposed upon Ubuntu users, corresponding exactly with the rise of Linux Mint.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214601)

You know that Mint is based on Ubuntu, don't you?

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (2)

gshegosh (1587463) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214703)

Also, Ubuntu is base on Debian. What's your point?

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (5, Interesting)

PraiseBob (1923958) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214825)

I think that is the point. Mint is almost Ubuntu, but based on Gnome3 instead of Unity. The guys behind Mint care about making Gnome3 work, and Canonical doesn't.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215471)

And I'm still not using Gnome.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214701)

You sure showed them! You dropped Kubuntu because it would only be maintained by the community in favor of a distro that would only be maintained by the community .

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (2)

hugh nicks (754727) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215005)

I did exactly the same thing. Once I heard that KDE was done, I grabbed the RC for Linux Mint (KDE) and haven't looked back. I even burnt my dad an ISO and told him how to backup his data, and install Mint instead of Kubuntu. And he's been using Kubuntu since '08. I won't recommend Ubuntu for anyone's systems anymore, and I used to do it *a lot*.

Re:AND it's no longer relevant. (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215127)

Yup. I've done exactly the same thing, and also switched to Mint. As of the latest release, Unity became the only UI supported without having to hack the shit out of the thing. I gave up, and I'm not going back. I tried unity for a while, but decided it was a terrible UI for a desktop. Linux Mint seems a good alternative, so why not?

So goodbye Ubuntu, it's been a good 6 years or so, but this is where I get off the bus. I really great improvement over Redhat many years ago, but if it's Unity or the Highway, then the highway is an easy choice.

Right (5, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214483)

All I know is, I'm waiting for the reviews before updating this time. Most likely I'll be on Mint pretty soon anyway. Unity gave me a severe distaste for anything Canonical.

Re:Right (2)

__Paul__ (1570) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214571)

Yes, Unity sucks, but why can't you use one of the other desktop environments that are still in Ubuntu?

It didn't take me long to make the Gnome 3 Classic environment look and work the same as Gnome 2 had.

Re:Right (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214649)

Currently I am. The main problem I have now is that they also messed with Compiz (or rather, updated it to an unstable version), causing it to randomly crash on me if I'm using it outside of Unity. (Plus Gnome 3 imitating Gnome 2 isn't quite the same thing as Gnome 2... doesn't show all the notification icons I used to have, for example.)

Re:Right (1)

PraiseBob (1923958) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214749)

Just about everyone agrees that Unity is awful. Personally I like Gnome3 a lot, but Ubuntu's implementation suffers badly because they put all their resources into Unity. Mint 12 has a somewhat better implementation, which is what drove me from Ubuntu after using it for 6 years.

Re:Right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215119)

"Most likely I'll be on Mint pretty soon anyway."

Just do it. You've waited too long already; Mint (particularly LMDE) is MUCH better.

fglrx (1)

Herbster (641217) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214527)

I hope the fricking fglrx packages are a bit less retarded than in Oneiric!!!

Re:fglrx (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214647)

That's on AMD, not Ubuntu.

Re:fglrx (1)

Herbster (641217) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214697)

Still was "tested" by Ubuntu. If it's crap, stick with the previous version...

Re:fglrx (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215733)

Problem is the previous versions are crap too. I've got better support on my laptop (Radeon HD 3200) with the open source driver then with fglrx (regardless of distro).

10.10 updates will expire (1)

mounthood (993037) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214555)

10.10 updates will expire when 12.04 is released, and I'll finally be forced to use Gnome3 or switch distros. I'm thinking Arch or Fedora with XFCE.

Re:10.10 updates will expire (1)

isorox (205688) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214599)

10.10 updates will expire when 12.04 is released, and I'll finally be forced to use Gnome3 or switch distros. I'm thinking Arch or Fedora with XFCE.

$ cat /etc/lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=lucid
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS"

Supported another year on the desktop, 3 more on the server (I've still got some 8.04 servers there that I'll be bringing up to 12.04 over the next 6 months)

Re:10.10 updates will expire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214659)

sudo apt-get install xfce

How hard was that?

Re:10.10 updates will expire (4, Informative)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214801)

ALWAYS INSTALL XUBUNTU CLEANLY, not over an existing GNOME3/Unity infestation. Unity messes with various GTK+ settings in your config and shit won't work right.

Re:10.10 updates will expire (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215673)

Yep, the only way to get my machine working after trying to install Xubuntu over Ubuntu was a rebuild.

Re:10.10 updates will expire (1)

sdnoob (917382) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214725)

if you don't like gnome 3 or unity, you don't have to jump ship simply to change desktop environments. the ubuntu community produces decent xfce (xubuntu) and lxde (lubuntu) variants we use xubuntu instead of ubuntu now.. and since lubuntu's release, lower-end hardware has been getting that instead of xubuntu. either variant's desktop can be installed on an existing ubuntu install without reinstalling the whole thing.

Re:10.10 updates will expire (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215213)

Like others have been saying, you don't have to use anything you don't want to. I've been using Ubuntu for years and I still use Window Maker.

Too early, wrong server (5, Informative)

JRiddell (216337) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214573)

Hi, I'm the release driver for Beta 1.

Ubuntu Beta 1 is not released yet and will not be released until posted to ubuntu-announce [ubuntu.com] . Until then we might pull the images if we find problems.

This slashdot story is also weirdly linking to the wrong server for Ubuntu, cdimage has only DVDs and other obscure images for Ubuntu, almost everyone will want the CDs. You can find the link to those on the release announcement when it is posted.

Re:Too early, wrong server (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214787)

cdimage has only DVDs and other obscure images for Ubuntu, almost everyone will want the CDs.

Really? It's 2012. I find most people don't even want DVDs any more. :p

Re:Too early, wrong server (1)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214857)

CDs sound better.
Ubuntu at 44.1 kHz is sweeeeet.

Re:Too early, wrong server (3)

data2 (1382587) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214845)

Really, slashdot is _early_?

Re:Too early, wrong server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215927)

The cdimage server doesn't have cd images? Sounds like a design flaw.

Is that really the name? (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214579)

as Linus is on the warpath this week, I think he should shoot whomever came up with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin Beta 1
So tenths aren't enough we must go to hundreds then have abbreviatiations and silly names and then Beta (isnt that what the 0.0X is for?) and the cheery on top, "1". Ubuntu has jumped the naming shark

Re:Is that really the name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214699)

You're pretty ignorant of the Ubuntu release naming scheme. Not an insult, just an observation.
They've always named them YY.MM where YY = year - 2000 and MM=04 or 10, the month of official release.
There are no hundredths.

Re:Is that really the name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214705)

So tenths aren't enough we must go to hundreds

You probably know this but the "04" is the month, not hundredths. And the LTS (Long Term Support) sets it apart from the regular releases. The silly code names I can do without but some people seem to like them.

Re:Is that really the name? (4, Funny)

Spykk (823586) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215051)

Pedantic Penguin was the obvious choice. I don't know what they were thinking.

Re:Is that really the name? (1)

firewrought (36952) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215059)

as Linus is on the warpath this week, I think he should shoot whomever came up with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin Beta 1 So tenths aren't enough we must go to hundreds then have abbreviatiations and silly names and then Beta (isnt that what the 0.0X is for?) and the cheery on top, "1". Ubuntu has jumped the naming shark

Ubuntu releases are named after date. The "04" represents the fourth month of the year. You have to zero-pad it to get things to sort correctly. The "1" on the end is to distinguish this beta from the next one leading up to the official release. So the naming shark is happy. Trust me, I am the naming shark, and I like naming conventions that pay attention to the lexical sort and avoid ambiguity (which is the whole point of names, after all).

(The naming shark always uses YYYY-MM-DD format when writing dates, and you should too.)

Re:Is that really the name? (1)

MLCT (1148749) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215123)

A great deal of OSS has this problem. And the more it is pointed out the more smug all of the developers get at coming up with ridiculous names.

And before anyone says it is just a bit of fun - it isn't when you are trying to search for support documents and have to letter-by-letter- the release name (not everyone uses the numbers all of the time) or type in silly random names to get things up from the terminal (sudo nautilus - which I have to letter-by-letter every time I want it because it is so unmemorable and tongue tied). "Its complicated deal with it", "it is for people who know tech" - fine - but that isn't supposed to be Ubuntu's *own* raison d'etre.

Anyway, with the absolute 10 mile long car crash that is Unity (a PC interface clearly designed for tablets but needs extensive use of keyboard shortcuts to be usable!) Ubuntu has many bigger problems to worry about. I am on 10.10 and when support ends I will be moving away as well. If they wanted to build a tablet OS then they should have just built it - not tried to pretend to the x86 community that they have an OS for them when they so very clearly don't.

Re:Is that really the name? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215519)

as Linus is on the warpath this week, I think he should shoot whomever came up with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin Beta 1
So tenths aren't enough we must go to hundreds then have abbreviatiations and silly names and then Beta (isnt that what the 0.0X is for?) and the cheery on top, "1". Ubuntu has jumped the naming shark

Actually, Ubuntu naming is pretty easy.

12 - the last two digits of the year, 2012.
04 - the month to which it is to be/was released (in this case, April).

So 12.04 will be released in April 2012. LTS means that it's a "long term" version with support until 15.04 comes out (14.04 will probably be LTS). Non-LTS versions go up, so if you installed 10.10 (Octoer 2010), you will have to upgrade to 11.04, 11.10, and 12.04, at which point you can decide if you want to stay with 12.04, or go to 12.10.

And it's beta because well, it's March!

Re:Is that really the name? (2)

cr_nucleus (518205) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215907)

as Linus is on the warpath this week, I think he should shoot whomever came up with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin Beta 1

I believe Shuttleworth wouldn't be too happy about that (being shot)...

Gnome 3 and Unity = Suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214611)

Not their fault, but gnome 3 and unity really ruin the new builds for me. Stickin with 10.04 for now, if you do upgrade think about xubuntu it is a very small learning curve from gnome 2. Gnome classic is hackable, but still does not feel the same.

From a server standpoint make sure to drop plymouth with some boot options in /etc/default/grub.conf

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nosplash noplymouth INIT_VERBOSE=yes init=/sbin/init -v"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="defoptions=nosplash nomodeset INIT_VERBOSE=yes init=/sbin/init -v noplymouth"

Bootsplash and x running on my server? I thinks not.

Ubuntu Formula (1)

rullywowr (1831632) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214617)

1 Scrap current Ubuntu GUI
2 Enrage current Ubuntu user base
3 Create 'new' GUI nobody has seen before
4 GOTO 1

Re:Ubuntu Formula (1)

bargainsale (1038112) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214767)

Somebody has to say it ....

I *like* Unity (even though I've been using Ubuntu since Feisty.)

Am I alone? Guys? Guys ....?

Re:Ubuntu Formula (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214893)

You aren't the only one.

I think Unity is pretty decent. It's perfectly usable and should get better. I'd be using now if Gnome 3 didn't exist. I'm happy that there are competitors for the Windows 95 paradigm.

Re:Ubuntu Formula (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214939)

Can't stand the left hand buttons on windows, but other than that, I guess it is OK.

About to try Fedora though, just to see.

Re:Ubuntu Formula (3, Interesting)

JanneM (7445) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215047)

I mostly like it too. Especially love the top menu bar; gives me extra vertical space in every app almost for free. I haven't met anybody in real life who thought Unity was a bad idea either.

Suspect this is a "greasy wheel" kind of thing, where those who are dissatisfied are loud and visible on places like slashdot, while most users have nothing much to complain about and keep silent. And most complaints really are about configurability, not basic functionality. A decent tool to do all the typical config changes people want would go a long way towards solving the issues for many of those people.

My only complaint really is Compiz, not Unity. Should use something more stable and less resource intensive.

Re:Ubuntu Formula (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215703)

I quite like Unity, I was using it since it was on the "netbook remix".

See, the OS isn't a program, and that's what people keep forgetting. It's just a tool for running your applications.

Re:Ubuntu Formula (2)

NonEvil Twin (1290830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215943)

I was really scared by all the stuff I read about it, and switched back to XFCE, which I have used on and off since back in the day. I did some distro hopping, even though I've used Ubuntu since Warty, and I first tried Gnome Shell, since Gnome 2 was going away anyway. I tried really hard, but I just don't like Gnome Shell. Even adding extensions, it just doesn't feel right. I finally gave up and re-installed 11.04 on my laptop and dove into Unity, and I don't see what the big deal is. It doesn't seem like a tablet interface, it's just different. It got better in 11.10, and I'm happy. I'd like some tweaks to the Dash, but overall, it stays out of the way and lets me focus on whatever program I'm running.

Pfft! Preposterous! (5, Funny)

grahamd0 (1129971) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214621)

Canonical has lost all respect from me by passing on the opportunity to call their release "Pretty Pony".

Some people just have no class.

Re:Pfft! Preposterous! (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214771)

Your friends thought you were going for Pink Pony.

Ubuntu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214667)

I was told that Ubuntu is actually Shona for "hippo dung".
Sounds plausible.

Alternatives please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214887)

I absolutely can't stand Unity. Ubuntu is dead to me now, but I can't find anything else that's as polished, easy to use and easy to setup as it used to be. Arch Linux looks like it will take much too long to setup, like building my own kit car.

Re:Alternatives please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39214951)

Oh, and I tried Xubuntu. It sucks and it became polluted by the interface changes anyway in the Fall 2011. Canonical pee'd in the Ubuntu pool, they're all polluted and disgusting now, including Linux Mint.

Re:Alternatives please? (1)

DCFusor (1763438) | more than 2 years ago | (#39214989)

Agree - have been running the unity releases in virtual box under 10.04 - but very little. They suck and so do all the alternatives I've seen so far. Sticking with 10.04 for as long as possible - when new versions of things I need won't run on the old one, not sure what I'll do.

Please, please, app guys - don't break things for the old desktop! It's not broken, please don't fix it.

I understand what unity is for - dumb people who need to "explore where I want to go today" when they walk up to their computer. I already know. I run applications, trade stocks, and I want every friggin pixel and other resource I paid for to do it. I already *know* what my computer can do, and what I want it to do now. I'm not stupid, and unity thinks I'm stupid enough to need handholding to use a desktop for a fondleslab. None of this is true, and it's damn insulting.

Re:Alternatives please? (1)

present_arms (848116) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215009)

Pclinuxos gnome edition

Wake me up when... (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215015)

Color me disinterested in Ubuntu until Canonical finally get a clue and kill off Unity.

Re:Wake me up when... (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215965)

I don't know if it's because of Unity, in spite of it, or unrelated to it, but according to this source [dzone.com] , Linux desktop usage is up 64% in the last hear. I really hope Unity isn''t driving people away.

Kubuntu and KDE (5, Informative)

JRiddell (216337) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215191)

Here is the announcement from Kubuntu [kubuntu.org] that confirms we will carry on for 12.04 and thereafter just as we did before. There are other sponsors of Kubuntu besides Canonical and a thriving contributor community.

Re:Kubuntu and KDE (1)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39215421)

Congratulations. If you fix the file copy truncation errors that only happens with the KDE back end - and then at unpredictable intervals, you fix the fact krename got broke a couple of versions back and stayed that way even through the next package update (AMD 64), and as a nice touch make ZSNES work I might stick around.

As it stands I'm using the good old fashioned Midnight Commander to manage large file copies now because Dolphin, Krusader and Konqueror can't be trusted to do them properly. That's fine locally, but it becomes a pain when dealing with fish:// and some other newer ways of doing things.

And in other news.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39215947)

Unity still sucks.

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