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Iran's Smart Concrete Can Cope With Earthquakes and Bombs

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the built-tough dept.

The Military 609

PolygamousRanchKid writes "Iran is an earthquake zone, so its engineers have developed some of the toughest building materials in the world. Ultra-high performance concrete (UHPC) could also be used to protect hidden nuclear installations from the artificial equivalent of small earthquakes, namely bunker-busting bombs. UHPC is based—like its quotidian cousins—on sand and cement. In addition, though, it is doped with powdered quartz (the pure stuff, rather than the tainted variety that makes up most sand) and various reinforcing metals and fibers. UHPC can withstand more compression than other forms of concrete. UHPC is also more flexible and durable than conventional concrete. It can therefore be used to make lighter and more slender structures. All of which is fine and dandy for safer dams and better sewers, which threaten no one. But UHPC's potential military applications are more intriguing—and for many, more worrying. Deep bunkers can be tackled in other ways. America's Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has looked at what is known in the jargon as functional defeat, in other words bombing their entrances shut or destroying their electrical systems with electromagnetic pulses. They are also working on active penetrators—bombs which can tunnel through hundreds of meters of earth, rock and concrete. Development work is also under way on esoteric devices such as robot snakes, carrying warheads, which can infiltrate via air ducts and cable runs."

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Today's dose of fearmongering... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244125)

...brought to you by "the department of give-us-more-tax-dollars."

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244199)

In breaking news, man confronted with baseball bat puts his hands up to fend himself. This is a clear indicator that proves the man was intent on violence.

Seriously? these old wankers feeding us this bullshit don't understand that the internet never forgets their lies and many of us have clued into wtf is going on?

Back in 2003 ... (4, Interesting)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244605)

Back in 2003, an Iranian student, with the help of a professor from Iran, won the first prize in a competition organized by the American Concrete Institute

For more info, look into this page ---> http://www.concrete.org/STUDENTS/st_concreteprojects03_winners.htm [concrete.org]

About the prize winning concrete ?

It has been used for building Iran's underground bunkers, which house Iran's nuclear facilities

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (1, Insightful)

murdocj (543661) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244205)

Yeah, a country run by a theocracy that has announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons, what could possibly go wrong?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244257)

Which has what to do with the United States? If Israel truly believes that it's existence is threatened then they can do something about it themselves.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (4, Insightful)

cosm (1072588) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244273)

If Israel truly believes that it's existence is threatened then they can do something about it themselves.

...themselves being a US ground invasion.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244345)

Which has what to do with the United States? If Israel truly believes that it's existence is threatened then they can do something about it themselves.

The US is Israel's bitch. They say jump and the US gladly jumps off the cliff.
You just watch, some absurd casus belli will come up (invented by Israel) and its lackey will start dropping bombs on Tehran.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (4, Funny)

mevets (322601) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244619)

wow, did I miss that. I thought he was talking about the united states. My next thought was, shit, we make oil, and we are a US neighbour, maybe we need some nukes to keep them at bay.
After all, the US only attacks defenceless countries...

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (2, Interesting)

TechnoDestructo (2555146) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244267)

announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons

Ahh, No and No. Iran has never stated it is trying to build nuclear weapons. I hope your not refering to the speach that has been proven long ago to be a "accidental" mistranslation.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244607)

announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons

Ahh, No and No.
Iran has never stated it is trying to build nuclear weapons.
I hope [you're] not [referring] to the [speech] that has been proven long ago to be [an] "accidental" mistranslation.

Reading comprehension fail. Quoted poster said Iran announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors. Iran has said, many times (e.g. last month http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=44676), that they want and intend to cause "the death of all Jews and the destruction of Israel".

Iran hasn't stated they are building nuclear weapons, but the quoted poster didn't say that, either; the quoted poster said Iran is "busy getting" nuclear weapons. So while Iran has repeatedly stated their nuclear work is definitely not for building nuclear weapons, the IAEA (who may be impartial, and may be an expert group in these sorts of things) states this year it "continues to have serious concerns regarding possible military dimensions to Iran's nuclear program" (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0224/IAEA-report-on-Iran-serious-concerns-about-nuclear-program), after last year it said Iran had carried "out activities relevant to the development of a nuclear device" (http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house-iaea-report-doesn-t-change-assessment-of-iran-s-nuclear-ambitions-20111108).

I believe the quoted poster was making an assumption many of us have: that when Iran says its larger-than-necessary and more-enriched-than-necessary uranium enrichment operations (as compared to the claimed purposes of isotope research and power generation, respectively) are entirely for peaceful purposes, they're full of shit.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244271)

Yeah, they're just sowing their wild oats, I am sure they won't really do it.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244283)

Vs. a Country which is trying to become a Theocracy which already has hundreds of nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them at a distance.. how could that be bad?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244297)

Nothing, really. Israel already has a nuclear gun to the head of every nation in the region. If it comes down to nukes Amman, Damascus and Cairo (along with any other Arab city a F-16 with drop tanks and one bomb can reach) will be destroyed, no matter who shoots first. The other nations in the region have a vested interest in keeping Iran in line, despite what they say publicly. Just as it was with the Soviets, the true situation is not nearly as unstable as it may seem.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (4, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244449)

If it comes down to nukes Amman, Damascus and Cairo (along with any other Arab city a F-16 with drop tanks and one bomb can reach) will be destroyed, no matter who shoots first.

The chances of those nukes coming out if it means that Israel will also become a glowing ember are much smaller. The only thing that held back nukes during the cold war was mutually assured destruction [wikipedia.org] . At the moment with Israel being surrounded by countries without the bomb it has a big advantage. When it knows that their "big red button" may as well be connected to the opposing sides "big red button" I am sure that there will be even more locks and keys put on it.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244299)

"Yeah, a country run by a theocracy that has announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons, what could possibly go wrong?"

You could say the same about the united states.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (5, Insightful)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244361)

Can't remember the last time someone in the US was executed for converting religions, or arrested for carrying Bibles into the airport. Theocracy? Not sure you know what that word really means - nor have you really experienced it. Go to Saudi Arabia with a few Bibles in your luggage, sometime. Or try to enter Syria with an Israel stamp in your passport - you'll learn soon enough!

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244559)

And yet you get to rot for years for carry a bit of weed.

Say, we can play you get to go to jail for stupid shit game too!

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (1, Flamebait)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244583)

Go to the US with a few copies of the Qur'an and see what happens.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244303)

Actually they never did. What you heard was the MEMRI 'translation' provided to western media. MEMRI is run by an Israeli.

Iran has invaded exactly 0 neighbours. Israel has done it fairly consistently.

Iran does not have nuclear weapons. Isreal does.

Israel is the single state with the most UN Security Council actions against it.

I understand why you don't know that - the owners of the media you watch, listen or read want you to believe that's the truth.

Then there's the megaphonies - 'useful idiots' that propagate Israeli government propaganda.

Hope that'll give you a start in your quest to understand why you're being lied to. Cheers :)

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244375)

Iran has invaded exactly 0 neighbours. Israel has done it fairly consistently.

Seriously? When did Israel invade a neighbor? Other than fighting back after an attack AND invasion of its borders by its neighbors, and kicking their aggressor back a few dozen (or more) kilometers? Can you enlighten us when Israel offensively invaded another nation?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (5, Informative)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244393)

Lebanon, 1982?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (3, Insightful)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244409)

And Iraq, 1981, when they destroyed Saddam's nuclear reactor, and then did the same in Syria in 2007. You can argue those aren't "invasions", I suppose, since they were targeted attacks rather than ground forces moving in and leading to occupation, but they were unprovoked military attacks that would be considered casus belli by the victims.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (4, Insightful)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244413)

And then there was the invasion of Lebanon again in 2006.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (4, Funny)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244581)

Man, they really got somethin' against Lebanon, don't they? Was it Jamie Farr's portrayal of Klinger on M*A*S*H?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (4, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244531)

Lebanon, 1982?

and 2006 [wikipedia.org] ? You might argue that it was retaliation, but there aren't too many people who can honestly they don't think it was a massive over-retalliation. Lebanon was doing very well in terms of economy and was quite stable. The last thing that Israel needed was another much larger state in nearby proximity that was starting to have solid relation with the west, a growing economy and starting to weild some clout at the international table. It is much more convenient to have the surrounding states clawing to fix the most basic of infrastructure.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (3, Informative)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244497)

They've been occupying more and more of Palestine over the past 50 years while implementing ever more strict apartheid policies towards the Palestinian population but I guess that doesn't count. Neither does the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 or 2006, invasion of Gaza and subsequent blockade of even humanitarian aid, or the current buildup towards an invasion of Iran?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244307)

Yeah, a country run by a theocracy that has announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons, what could possibly go wrong?

with the kind of technique they are using there is no way you can build a bomb with it, maybe go to a class of nuclear physics because this paranoid crap is getting old.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (1, Informative)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244315)

The United States is a theocracy that /has/ nuclear weapons, and /regularly/ annihilates foreign countries. Iraq was destroyed on a whim, albeit without nukes.

See: The last fifty years of the United States engaging in constant, unending international warfare, against continually new enemies, without cause or justification.

Now who looks more dangerous?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (5, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244431)

The United States is not a theocracy, despite attempts by a minority to make us one. The United States most certainly does not "regularly annihilate" countries.

I'm no fan of the Iraq War, but the country was certainly not annihilated. Now care to name some more examples of this "unending warfare" you claim?

I know its trendy to scream and holler about how the US is some dystopian super-villain, but saying something boldly and loudly does not make it true.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244519)

Have you seen the laws the US imposes on OTHER countries (Europe, Canada, and elsewhere)? We may not be invading although there are other ways to undermine, manipulate, and annihilate our 'enemies' than direct war fare. We continue to put countries like Canada on copyright watch lists and trick countries like the UK into passing unfavorable extradition policies. We have literally destroyed Cuba economically. There was also Vietnam and a dozen other wars I'm not even well aware of. We are involved in Mexico's war on drugs and we have financed and continue to do so the 'war on drugs' in numerous countries throughout the world including south america (Colombia, etc).

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244573)

No, you merely need to be a Christian of some variety to be elected to a post of importance. But that doesn't reflect on policy, how could it possibly?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (5, Informative)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244451)

The United States is a theocracy that /has/ nuclear weapons, and /regularly/ annihilates foreign countries. Iraq was destroyed on a whim, albeit without nukes.

See: The last fifty years of the United States engaging in constant, unending international warfare, against continually new enemies, without cause or justification.

Now who looks more dangerous?

You, sir, are either engaging in hyperbole or you do not know what a theocracy is.

The US has engaged in far too many military adventures around the planet for the last 60 years, but for all of its negative qualities, we have also come to the aid of the defenseless more than anyone else too.

LK

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (3)

X.25 (255792) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244331)

Yeah, a country run by a theocracy that has announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons, what could possibly go wrong?

Yet, they haven't shot at anyone.

Unlike certain free country which is pillaging and burning things around the world, both militarily and politically.

Stop that fucking nonsense, ok?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244335)

And the country they want to wipe out is the nation of Judaism. Of course, Israel technically has freedom of religion, but that doesn't change ideals of the Likud party. Don't get me wrong, I don't care about either Iran or Israel, but your statement about Iran could be almost be applied to Israel.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244421)

Yeah, a country run by a theocracy that has announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons, what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, but what does Israel [infowars.com] have to do with this?

LK

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (3, Insightful)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244423)

Iran is a theocracy because the US deposed a democratically elected government to support a hated and brutal dictator, then the US sold chemical weapons to saddam for use against iranian forces. Of any country currently lacking nukes, Iran needs/deserves the security of having ICBM nukes

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (5, Insightful)

ThomasFlip (669988) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244517)

Typical retarded arguments. First off all many Arab nations and people question the existence of Israel, that doesn't mean they want to nuke the entire country and kill all of its citizens, it just means they don't recognize Israel as a legitimate state. Kind of like the U.S. doesn't really recognize Palestine as a legitimate state. Second of all, even if Iran got the nuke, do you really think they are going to start lobbing nukes into Tel Aviv? Their entire military and leadership would be annihilated in a day and a U.S. puppet government would be installed. North Korea has arguably the most fucked up regime in the entire world and even they're not stupid enough to start nuking Seoul because the Korean war "never ended". Third of all, the only country that's every actually nuked anyone is the United States and they had arguably already won WWII. Fourth of all, Iran's actually signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty while Israel hasn't. You can argue they're violating it but it's clearly pure hypocrisy. I could go on and on with more points.... People need to stop buying into neo-con propaganda at face value and do a little critical thinking. This whole thing reminds me of the Iraq war all over again.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244525)

theaterocracy

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (4, Interesting)

wmac1 (2478314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244547)

1- Israel is not a neighbor of Iran. Get a Geography 101 course

2- Iran has not announced it wants to annihilate Israel. It wished for Israeli government to lack existence.

3- Israel has at least 200-300 nukes and can defend itself. No need for crying wolf. Iran will never use nukes against Israel. A single nuke on Tehran will kill 15 million.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244553)

You mean Israel, right?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (2)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244617)

Yeah, a country run by a theocracy that has announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons, what could possibly go wrong?

Wait, are we talking about Israel or the US?

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (2)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244269)

Hush. We need to resell the DoD on the SDI program, then give them a mutually exclusive choice between a giant fr*cking laser in the sky, or more drones / the continued support & maintenance thereof.

It will give them something constructive to do (what superpower doesn't need an orbiting weapons platform?), and buy us a few more years without fleets of drones patrolling the homeland (yay liberty). If we point out that the giant laser will probably never be built, but will keep their R&D / jobs programs going a little longer than drone manufacturing, we may have a winner here. It's hard finding employment after you leave the military (as an Officer, skillset mismatch & your rank means nothing in the corporate world can be harsh), so leaving them a massive program they can 'consult' on should keep them fed.

And let's be honest-> It's more manly to win a war.

And it keeps us programmers out of the direct line of fire (I am not a coward, I just don't enjoy being shot at, and my hand-eye coordination is terrible). I just want to postpone having to eat MREs, wearing camouflage clothing, and trying to 'hack' the enemy drones with a Sony Vaio while they bear down on my position until some later time, like another life. I am taking this one off, for personal enrichment & drinking, and would willingly wage a war to preserve that choice.

I mean, the inner libertarian in me partly wants to decry the whole government spending / bankrupting the taxpayer thing, but the pragmatist in me notes that there has been non-stop media attention on the whole 'cyber-warfare' thing since they caught / killed OBL, and the defense complex seems to be having some teething issues with relative peace / justifying their existence since they keep running out of enemies. So, giving them something to occupy their attention with might be a short term necessity. If we manage to survive the paramount financial mess the world has found itself in, we will deal with it at a later time.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244277)

"And let's be honest-> It's more manly [way] to win a war."

Forgot a word. Somewhat tempted to see if SlashCode can be updated to include an edit function.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244587)

For now, hope that they don't run out of foreign enemies to shoot and blow up. When those are all gone, the only thing left is us.

Re:Today's dose of fearmongering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244541)

Actually, this is going to be used as an excuse by Israel (and possibly US?) that they had to use nuclear weapons against Iran, more precisely "Targeted, Enhanced Bunker Penetrators". First step in a war, is to try to "inform" the public about why something that has already been decided by some, must happen the way they say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_bunker_buster [wikipedia.org]

And that will be the first step. Iran will most likely retaliate. Where will it end?? Anyone's guess.

Evidence the Iranians are developing structures (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244151)

capable of withstanding repeated ballistic impacts: Many engineers are seen with iPads doing structural-ballistic simulations involving various geometries made of wood, ice and stone, and green "test animals", whose survival indicates the durability of said structures.

But... (1, Funny)

cosm (1072588) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244153)

Will it blend?

I, for one, welcome our robot snakes. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244165)

But have some concerns about how they might be... nah... I just welcome them.

How about the American s just (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244169)

mind their own business.

Really.

Dear americans (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244175)

Hey, you war-mongering assholes, fuck off and stop trying to justify your next mass-murder. If you start this war, the blood is all on your hands, just like the last one was.

Re:Dear americans (5, Interesting)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244247)

As a red-blooded American who served in the military and comes from a family who also did(mother served in army, father served in Marines and saw action in Vietnam, Grandfather who was bomber aircrew during WWII, uncle served in USAF), I endorse your comment wholeheartedly.

I know the Slashdot leadership and a good majority of their chickenhawk wannabe-military fanboy readership subscribe to Judeo-Christian beliefs about being in the moral right as nation-builders, but if you're gonna tacitly encourage war with Iran, then enlist, pick up a fuckin' gun, and go shoot yerselves some strangers. See your buddies turned into hamburger and shuttled back into the states to live their lives as disfigured vegetable abominations, and you can become a nonfunctional drug-addicted alcoholic having to cope with those horrors for life. There are laws to reward employers for hiring veterans, but all it takes is one flashback flipout to make even the most patriotic employer reexamine their hiring decisions. Kids can't even afford school because that money went to some glorified security guard being paid $300,000 a year.

If you're gonna go big, then at least do it right - indiscriminately carpet-bomb the entire Middle East, including Israel.

Re:Dear americans (-1, Flamebait)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244287)

A sincere question: Why the fuck did you join the military? There are only three possible explanations that I know of:

a) you are a sociopath, and you enjoy murder
b) you are stupid, and had no other way to get money. somehow you thought murder was better than sucking dicks or picking up garbage.
c) you drank all of the cool aid, and truly believed you where doing something good.

You don't sound stupid, and you don't sound like a sociopath. If you did drink all the cool aid back then, you seem to be better now.

So, what was it?

Re:Dear americans (5, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244395)

Okay, you put me on the defensive. I joined the Air Force, which meant that I would get a bitchin' tech job(and I did) and likely never face danger. Yeah, call me a pussy, I don't give a fuck. It was during a time of (relative) peace and sanity, so I knew I wouldn't have to deal with wartime bullshit. I joined because I was unmotivated in high school, because I had a life, and so I needed job training and a college fund. My family were disciplined, but they sure as hell weren't rich - and I did need some discipline at the time. Why the hell not? Am I a pussy for admitting that?

I got out right after 9/11, but before the wars kicked in. I knew that the rationale for the wars was bullshit(WMD? we sold Saddam that WMD!), but by that time I was happy enough being the fuck out of the military. And yes, the world would be a better place if all of the religious people, or at least the people who subscribe to one or more of the three monotheistic religions of the Middle-East, would drop dead on the spot. That is where the trouble lies.

So the short answer is, no, I'm not a hypocrite.

Re:Dear americans (0)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244503)

Ok, it seems I had friended you for a reason. There are/where some reasonable people in the military after all.

I won't call you a pussy, that macho attitude of going to war is completely obsolete. I wouldn't go to war either.

or at least the people who subscribe to one or more of the three monotheistic religions of the Middle-East, would drop dead on the spot. That is where the trouble lies.

We need to get rid of the christians in the west too. That's where most of the trouble lies.

Re:Dear americans (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244565)

We need to get rid of the christians in the west too.

I'm pretty sure Christianity, wherever it is practised, is included in "one or more of the three monotheistic religions of the Middle-East."

Re:Dear americans (5, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244533)

And yes, the world would be a better place if all of the religious people, or at least the people who subscribe to one or more of the three monotheistic religions of the Middle-East, would drop dead on the spot. That is where the trouble lies.

I would be more content if the people who wanted to force others to believe what they believe at the end of a rifle or sword were singled out. Peaceful Christians, Jews and Muslims are not the problem.

LK

Re:Dear americans (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244321)

Mod parent up.

While Iran building nuclear weapons may be appropriately scary, particularly to those supporting Israel, it seems the most likely response of the US will be far worse from a humanitarian perspective. In fact, with Israel poised to begin a millitary conflict with Iran, almost certainly triggering a happy-go-lucky response from the US authorities, it seems that Iran producing a nuclear weapon may prove to be a stabilizing force in the region.

And all of this said when there is no evidence that Iran actually is trying to build a nuclear weapon.

captcha: "veterans", how appropriate.

Re:Dear americans (1)

genkernel (1761338) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244337)

Bah, above post belongs to me, although that doesn't matter now.

Defense? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244183)

Nobody else find ironic that the "America's Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA)" is studying how to attack Iran, a country that it's physically unable to even touch America?

Re:Defense? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244305)

I guess you missed the whole 9/11 thing. You don't need ICBMs to attack another country.

Re:Defense? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244429)

I guess you missed the whole 9/11 thing. You don't need ICBMs to attack another country.

Stop, please stop with the rhetoric. What happened on 9/11 were terrorists acts. It was not a declaration of war, it was not an invasion. It was not an attack in any meaningful way.
Otherwise any criminal enterprise is an attack that warrants some kind of military response.

And by the way, using airplanes to carry out a series of terrorist acts in the US is nothing out of the ordinary. They just used the most common means of transportation. Using the airplane in the US is like using a train in most smaller countries. The reason being obviously a difference in scale.

This is what is wrong with the US way of thinking. Everything has to be reduced to an "attack on something" so we can justify using our shiny new toys (aircraft carriers, tanks, F-22, drones, bunker busters, you name it) on the stupid poor guy standing on the other side of the street.

Seriously if Iran is any kind of menace (and it isn't) the world should be going apeshit on India, Pakistan, Cina, North Korea and Israel. You want to know the real menace ? The US and its tradition of starting wars for fucked up reasons (and half the western countries going along for the ride because of corrupt politicians say hello to Tony Blair!! ).

Re:Defense? (3, Insightful)

Myrmidon10 (169991) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244311)

You mean they wouldn't be able to put a nuke in a shipping container? Or perhaps hand a few over to Hezbolla and or Hamas? There is more than one way to "touch" America and missiles would probably be the last method used.

Re:Defense? (1)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244555)

When you mentioned shipping containers, were you thinking of this?
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=162480#.T1RLHpgtA20 [go.com]

Uranium in a pipe, like the Little Boy design, sailed through security a year *after* ABC publicized the exact same test before.

In other news... (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244215)

This amazing product not only slices, dices and puree's, but melts faces, and causes near catatonic states for non-purified members of the elite guard(ranked IR5 or lower).

Build to code and be a terrorist (0)

Heoko (816802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244219)

This concrete, it cannot be for civillian use, it can only be used nefariously. What a utter crap article, this is like reading "diary of a white man afraid of minorities"

Bias (5, Insightful)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244239)

So, just because this "high performance" concrete was developed in Iran, it has dangerous military applications? Dangerous as in able to withstand US bombs? Should we start banning defensive technologies in order to make it easier for the US to invade?
If this was developed in any other nation, "military applications" would never have been mentioned.

Please don't fall for the fearmongering, Iran is not going to attack anyone, they know very well they would be instantly overrun. This is Iraq all over again.

As an aside, while I very much object to anyone including the US having nuclear weapons, I can't really see why Iran having them - if they indeed do - is a problem while Israel having them is not, a country that has constantly refused to sign the non-proliferation treaty and employs an Apartheid-like policy towards Palestinians.

Re:Bias (2)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244611)

This is Iraq all over again.

We need to keep saying this over and over again. All I see in the news is Iran, Iran, Newt Gingrich, and then some more Iran followed by a delightful yogurt commercial starring Jamie Lee Curtis.

But seriously, this is the exact sort of build-up they're trying to go for.

They say the military is always fighting the last war. I think the government is the same way. After 9/11, this probably would have worked. The vast majority of us were shaken with fear and about as pliable as a politician's moral code. They're trying the same tricks again and figuring they'll work.

If we're stupid enough to try to invade Iran, there will be a massive shitstorm stateside.

Who knows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244249)

We may need all of this to defeat their arsnel of 3 warheads in the next decade or so.

Money well spent.

Re:Who knows (1)

Myrmidon10 (169991) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244545)

It's always hard to know if money is well spent or not but a good question or two to ask is: What are the consequences of not spending it vs the consequences of spending it and not needing it

McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (5, Insightful)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244261)

Iran is a very religious country, so is the US. Muslims want to kill Christians, Christians want to kill Muslims. Iran has corrupt leaders, that allow their people to suffer hunger, poor health care and bad education in order to spend millions in armament, this is also true about the US. It's also true that Iran is a fairly small country with few resources, while the US is a huge country and the most resourceful on the planet, and while Iran has failed in most military operations it has attempted, the US has succeeded. Iran is trying to get some nuclear weapons, the US is the only country to have ever used them on a civilian population. Currently Iran has no nuclear weapons, while the US has thousands. Iran is not currently at war, while the US has been consistently starting wars every year for 200 years.

And yet, when the US develops a new weapon, a new fighter, a new bomb, a new droid, or any other military advancement and clearly plans to use it soon at war, it's praised for its technological achievement. But when Iran develops a new construction technology, that has tens of applications, one of them, defense, then it's something we should be worried about and it makes Iran evil, and we should ask the glorious united states of america to destroy them real soon.

Fuck that bullshit, your western christian theocracy is no better than the eastern muslim theocracies, and just as crazy, delusional and violent.

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (1)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244279)

Mod parent up! This really is bullshit meant to incite fear in the American population in order to once again justify invading an oil-rich country.

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (3, Insightful)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244309)

I sincerely don't think it's about the oil anymore. I think the war industry is even bigger than the oil industry, and the owners of the US have as much interests in Lockheed as they do in Exxon.

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (1)

jon3k (691256) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244339)

The last thing we need is ANOTHER country with nuclear weapons. Two wrongs don't make a right. Iran with a nuclear weapon is a pretty scary thought.

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244453)

Except we have no evidence to believe they are making a nuclear weapon, they say they are not making nuclear weapons, and this was about fucking concrete.

But, isn't it awesome how versatile conservatives are? They say in a perfect world there might be no weapons, but since in this world there are weapons, then every citizen must have one. But somehow, that doesn't apply to other countries, just let the US be the worlds police.

I'll tell you something, my country is not a belligerent asshole, we don't have nuclear weapons, and we don't constantly murder people overseas, so we have 0 chance of Iran ever trying to bomb us. On the other hand, the chances of the US ever bombing every other country is fairly fucking high. So, since the US will keep fucking with everybody, I still have hopes one day they will fuck with the wrong kind of crazy and get an H bomb dropped right in fucking Washington D.C. So, if Iran, or Iraq, or Afghanistan want to get some nuclear power, then by all means we should help the crazy bastards out. It might even the playing field a little bit, and if we get really lucky, we might also get rid of the Israel too.

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (0)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244485)

Hey Borat, shouldn't you be out herding goats or something?

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (3, Informative)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244551)

You know what's the best about the uneducated people from the US that thinks the entire world looks like Afghanistan?

a) Their faces when they finally travel a little bit and get to see, for example, the city where I live:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QRpO2B1C6Xg/TT1yt1_PggI/AAAAAAAAACA/qal-vpr50pI/s1600/buenos-aires.jpg [blogspot.com]
http://buenosairestourism.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Buenos-Aires-Tourism2.jpg [buenosairestourism.net]
http://www.ladygardens.net/storage/buenos_aires03.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1243881190062 [ladygardens.net]

And realize their vision of the world was completely misleading.
b) How many other citizens of the US are so embarrassed of people like you, when they vacation at some of our best touristic destinations, they say they are Canadian (I can always tell by the accent and lack of sophistication)

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (2)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244613)

The last thing we need is ANOTHER country with nuclear weapons. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I suppose we should have thought of that before invading Iraq on a whim -- which we were able to do precisely because Iraq didn't actually have any WMDs. Compare that to how North Korea gets treated with kid gloves, because it does in fact have nukes. There won't be an invasion of North Korea any time soon, no matter how evil its government may be.

If I was the Iranian government watching those two scenarios play out, I know which side of the nuclear fence I'd want to be on.

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (2)

Myrmidon10 (169991) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244397)

I don't think your very familiar with Iranian history, US history, what a theocracy is and isn't, and most assuredly not with Iranian intentions. You would not be saying these things if you were a women, a non-muslim, or have lived in any eastern muslim theocracy.

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (1)

Myrmidon10 (169991) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244527)

I meant to say "women, or a non-muslim living in a any eastern muslim theocracy"

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244411)

The US has never used nuclear weapons against a civilian population.

Workers making bombs, guns and bullets aren't civilians.

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (1)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244549)

This statement is so absurd that I can't tell whether you're being factitious or not.. Are you seriously saying that all the men, women and children residing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were making bombs?

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244513)

A. Christians don't want to kill anyone (we've grown up since the crusades)
B. no one ever said Iran couldn't have some nuclear
          Capability. It's the fact that they won't comply with
            International inspections which every country with that capability
            Should have to conform to. I don't think anyone cares if they use their capabilities
            For medical or utility purposes. But when they deny inspections
          They are essentially saying.. That they are working towards defense goals.
            Not civilian use goals

Re:McCarthy would be proud of you guys. (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244557)

Do you really think the US allows inspections at their nuclear facilities? Also, The UN inspected Iraq. Then the US lied about the inspections and used that fake intel to bomb the fuck out of them. Not a single WMD was found.

So, what reasons has Iran to allow inspections?

Needless to Say (1)

rueger (210566) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244263)

1) Economy in the toilet
2) Election looming
3) No real credible enemies around (like who would be stupid enough to attack a country whose military budget dwarfs most of the rest of the planet)
4) INVENT ENEMY out of thin air using tried and true scaremongering.
5) PROFIT! (and/or re-election)

Smart? (5, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244285)

Putting aside the obvious political flamebait, are we really now at a point where anything that's been at all updated since the 1950s is considered "smart"? The term makes sense for things that have a microcontroller added to them, but that's not the case here. This concrete isn't any smarter than my toothbrush.

Re:Smart? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244417)

Why you doubt Iran's new Sustainable Smart Aggregate 3D Renewable Wi-fi Enabled Cemented Architectural Solution?

Re:Smart? (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244475)

How can you expect me to trust in a solution that isn't based in the Cloud?!

Re:Smart? (1)

rbrander (73222) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244479)

You fool. Now the 82nd Airborne will be showing up at your house, to defend us from your smart, weaponized toothbrush.

Re:Smart? (2)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244535)

Maybe their smart concrete and our smart bombs can have a battle of wits, maybe settle their differences with a game of chess.

Worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244301)

As a non-American, and someone who doesn't hold fully with American law and philosophy, I'm somewhat more worried by the mentioned American "penetrators" than the Iranian concrete.

Re:Worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244445)

I had exactly the same feeling.

tHIS POST NEEDS MORE TITS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244353)

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cool (1)

alienzed (732782) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244371)

thanks for the heads up!

i said i need some more tits (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244433)

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Re:i said i need some more tits (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244603)

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So what? (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244487)

If the US actually attacks Iran that isn't going to matter and if it doesn't then it doesn't matter.

So it doesn't matter.

to the point of it not mattering... Who says you need to drop one bomb on a target? Can't you just drop a bomb that makes a big crater... and then drop a bomb in the middle of that crater to make a deeper crater... and then drop a bomb in the middle of that crater to make a deeper crater... you see where I'm going here. Doubtless there are diminishing returns but I should think with a few penetrators all on the same target you could eat through to the bunker.

Stick to the subject of the article. (4, Funny)

InterGuru (50986) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244507)

Could we stop the comments on abstract issues and just stick to the concrete one.

How rad hard is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39244511)

So smart concrete is more resilient in the face of the seismic effects of bombardment, but how well does it block radiation? I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see tactical nukes in addition to bunker busting bombs brought to bear against these enrichment facilities. That sucks big time for everyone downwind but I have little doubt that all options are on table to keep this genie bottled up.

Iran has its own worries (1)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244563)

If you think we've got it bad, imagine how they feel [theonion.com] .

Seriously? (1)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39244615)

Conventional bombing? Silliness!

When you have aerosol drones capable of dispensing enough biological agents to render that entire side of the world extinct of human life, knit picking about resilient concrete is the least of anyone's worries. America, just keep taking your "flu shots".

I find the concrete tech fascinating though. I wonder what it would do for the roads? We seriously need to talk to them, because we need to spend the next decade working on our own hi-ways before they crumble under us. We could use more rails to save road traffic from trucks as well. Infrastructure, people! We need to improve it!

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