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Canadian Music Industry Wants Subscriber Disclosure Without Court Oversight

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the they-get-cranky-when-the-leafs-lose dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The incredible demands of the Canadian music industry as it seeks a massive overhaul of Canadian copyright law continues. It is seeking increased liability for social networking sites, search engines, blogging platforms, video sites, and many other websites featuring third party contributions, plus a new iPod tax, and an extension in the term of copyright. Last week, it went further, demanding a requirement for Internet providers to disclose customer name and address information to copyright owners without court oversight as well as takedowns with no due process and unlimited statutory damages."

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You used to be cool, Canada (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252611)

What happened to that Canada I remember, huh? The country to took in draft dodgers during Vietnam? The country that instituted universal healthcare? The country where "liberal" wasn't an insult? The country that wasn't afraid to zig when the U.S. zagged?

You've changed, man.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252657)

I think next they are going to demand a moon base, gees.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252665)

Stephen Harper happened.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (2)

Lucky75 (1265142) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253475)

As a Canadian, I can confirm that the above post is an accurate depiction of what happened.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (4, Insightful)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253675)

Actually, I believe it started earlier than that. Harper may have started the "privacy" stuff, but we've been bending over to the Americans since NAFTA and the softwood lumber issue started.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (2, Insightful)

eddy the lip (20794) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253769)

This is true, but the rate that things have accelerated at since last spring scares the living bejeezus out of me.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (5, Funny)

the_other_one (178565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252673)

We are now a Harptatorship.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39254317)

Harper is doing very well and I don't understand how you can relate his party with what the music industry wants to do. The music industry can rally any bill they wish just as you or me. The difference is that they are more influential and by influential I mean bribe-worthy. The music industry has been corrupt for a long time and the only way to get rid of this corruption is to stop paying into it and ignoring it completely. Once it no longer becomes a union, music can be music again.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (4, Insightful)

Cabriel (803429) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252727)

What the Labels want, and what they will get are two different things.

For example, just because I want a new car and a pony doesn't mean I'll get the pony.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (0)

eternaldoctorwho (2563923) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252805)

For example, just because I want a new car and a pony doesn't mean I'll get the pony.

What does this mean? I don't even

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (4, Interesting)

RicoX9 (558353) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252957)

Yes, but when your representatives are approached by the Music Industry and say "I want MOAR", and the representatives say "I want a beach house", and get it, the Music Industry gets what they want.

Corporatocracy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy [wikipedia.org]

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253045)

Corporatocracy, ah ye hellish beast.

Also known in Canada as Harperatocracy.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253727)

I am perfectly willing to give them all of these enforcement tools.
I return I want a flat 14 year non-extendable unchangable term
for copyright!
Deal??

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (4, Informative)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254235)

2 years. That's enough time to get the cash from a top-40 hit, have any game be relegated to a "classic" / "greatest hits", and get a movie released onto DVD.

After that, it's all public domain.

You would still require judicial oversight and a warrant.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253151)

What the Labels want, and what they will get are two different things.

Not with the Corpservatives in power.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (1)

stealth_finger (1809752) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254057)

What the Labels want, and what they will get are two different things.

For example, just because I want a new car and a pony doesn't mean I'll get the pony.

If you had the clout they had you might get a van and a horse.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (4, Funny)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252789)

What happened to that Canada I remember, eh?

FTFY

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252879)

This hasn't passed yet. We massively protested the Lawful Access act(C30) and it's on hold now. Some of their demands are exactly why C30 didn't pass yet. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't pass too. What they are asking isn't in the bill yet, it's their wish list, a very naughty wish list.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (5, Informative)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253277)

That's how politics is done. If you want A, you demand A, B, C, D, E and F... knowing that your opponents will argue strongly, and not give up until they have something of a victory. So they defeat you on B, C, D, E and F, and declare themselves successful - but you get away with A, which is what you wanted all along. Everything else was just to play the game.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253495)

We should make a strong counter proposal:

1) Shorten copyright to 10 years
2) Remove the levy on blank media
3) Quit whining about "profits" - you aren't "entitled" to them; you have to go earn them. Yes, this means you don't get any more laws to prop up legacy methods of distribution.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (2)

forkfail (228161) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254333)

This.

The dark side is always the one controlling the fight.

The only way there will be any justice for the consumer is if it is us that name the terms of the fight, not them.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253745)

I don't think that's a fair comparison. C30 was initially pushed by around a half-dozen politicians looking for a power grab and we are STILL fighting it (and probably will be for a quite a while). This proposed bill is being pushed by multi-BILLION dollar corporations who buy politicians just so they can borrow their yacht for the weekend.

The sheer greed of these men know no bounds. (4, Informative)

argee (1327877) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252903)

Apparently, draft dodgers is not the only thing we exported across our Northern Border.
We have apparently also exported limitless greed, avarice, and thirst for power.
Oh, add corruption, corporatism and entitlement to the list!

Did I forget anything?

Re:The sheer greed of these men know no bounds. (4, Funny)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253117)

I'd say it was less of an export and more of a trade. After all, we got the musical stylings of William Shatner, Celine Dion, Jusin Bieber, Nickelback, and Rush. If I were Canada I wouldn't want any of them in my public domain either.

Re:The sheer greed of these men know no bounds. (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254303)

Shatner's latest album is musical genius!
As it happens I kind of like Rush.
The rest of them should be shot out of cannons, directly at a very large brick wall.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (4, Insightful)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253095)

What happened to that Canada I remember, huh? The country to took in draft dodgers during Vietnam? The country that instituted universal healthcare? The country where "liberal" wasn't an insult? The country that wasn't afraid to zig when the U.S. zagged?

You've changed, man.

Amen. Although, in a certain light this may be a good thing. As a United Statsian, I've observed that my own clinically insane government tends to want to distance itself from our northern cousins, maybe (albeit not bloody likely) we'll start to pare back copyright to a more reasonable level. On the other hand, we may simply up the ante and make copyright eleventy billion years. But even that may not be a bad thing, the more ridiculous copyright is, the more people will ignore it. Even right now the average person on the street doesn't see a ethical problem with consuming media that was illegally distributed. Not everything that is immoral is illegal, and not everything that is illegal is immoral.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253299)

Basically, history repeating itself. The radical right snuck in.

Once upon a time, the Republican party in the US were decent and respectable. Case in point, Abe Lincoln. Then Nixon and the rest of his radical right invaded the party and made a dramatic "course correction".

In Canada, the conservative party used to be a pretty decent set of people. Boring, but trustworthy. Then Brian Mulroney came along, introduced a number of measures that generated so much great deal of dislike ("free trade" and a federal sales tax) for the party that they shrank to a tiny fraction of their former size. The radical right, calling themselves "the Reform Party", were generally regarded as a bunch of dangerous kooks and hence didn't have a chance of getting into power. However, they brokered a merger with the now pitiful Conservative party, gaining a few seats, but more importantly, getting the right to use the "Conservative Party" name. People might have been embarrassed to vote for the Reform Party, but the voting for "Conservative Party" was a family tradition. The new "Conservative Party" eventually managed a few minority governments because the center and left wing votes were split among too many other parties before eventually winning a majority government.

And yes, most of us are embarrassed by being represented by Stephen Harper as you were when George Bush Jr was in power.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (2)

Hamsterdan (815291) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253431)

Harper gained a majority government

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (2)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254035)

That's up for debate.

If the Liberals or NDP are behind the robocalls and election tampering, a judicial inquiry would destroy those two leaderless parties.

For some reason, the most politically astute opportunist in Canadian history (Harper) is choosing not to call for an inquiry and letting the opponent he's sworn to destroy at any cost (The LPC) recuperate.

Re:You used to be cool, Canada (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254241)

Simple the USSA let the corps become so damned powerful that they spread like a cancer across the land, that's what. When you can have congressman stand there with a straight face and say there is nothing wrong with copyright terms even though most of Walt Disney's FIRST works, made when planes were made of cloth and antibiotics were just a dream, is STILL under copyright and will be long after anyone reading this is dead? Well you can just give it up chuck.

Frankly there is only one thing we can do now, and that is complete ignore the unjust laws and do everything we can to help our geek brethren to create the darknet, so that we can abandon the web to the giant corporate home shopping network they have every intention of turning it into. Mark my words they'll go after the indie labels and artists next, they'll use SLAPPs to bury them alive in lawsuits. That is because its all about CONTROL and not any kind of theft, they want the ability to control everything you see and hear and lock the world behind a paywall. With their endless copyrights I'm sure they have every combination of the 12 note western scale already copyrighted somewhere. as soon as the new album is done with my band I intend to put it everywhere i possibly can but frankly i wouldn't be surprised if we get SLAPPed, even though its just three guys with real instruments and no sampling.

And don't think boycotts or not helping yourselves will do ANY good, as they'll just use PPT math against you. They'll show the politicians a PPT that says "Our figures indicate that since we made X last year we should have made X + Y this year and we didn't! It must be those pirates!" and they'll get more power and control. Its a great "heads i win tails you lose' scam and sadly there is nothing we can do about it. so help yourselves friends, if you like an artist go see their show, that's probably the ONLY money they'll be seeing anyway.

Unlimited statutory damages? (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252625)

Since there isn't an unlimited amount of money in the world, the safest option is to set it to zero.

Re:Unlimited statutory damages? (4, Funny)

Adriax (746043) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252863)

But when their beancounters divide their revenue target by their average damage award to find out how many lawsuits they want to file in a year, it'll be dividing by zero! That will create a localized singularity that'll wipe their offices off the face of....

Oooooohhhhhhhhh....
Ok.

Holy Handgrenades Batman (4, Insightful)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252637)

Talk about the apparent obliteration of citizens rights.... I thought the US was starting to turn to the darkside, but Canada is working hard eh?

Re:Holy Handgrenades Batman (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252733)

Canada and Australia are crazy in terms of citizen privacy and freedom laws.

Re:Holy Handgrenades Batman (3, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252735)

They're just following the old principle of "ask for a mile, settle for 804 meters"

Re:Holy Handgrenades Batman (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252785)

Talk about the apparent obliteration of citizens rights.... I thought the US was starting to turn to the darkside, but Canada is working hard eh?

Sadly, this is likely coming from American groups applying pressure. There seems to be a lot of lobbying by foreign organizations on this front.

The copyright lobby won't be happy until they've managed to make sure that the internet can only function according to their rules. And they want everyone else to pay for it.

Fucking parasites.

iPod tax?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252661)

So does that mean that they're happy with me using any other brand of PMP?

Re:iPod tax?! (4, Insightful)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252705)

Does it mean its legal to pirate music on iPods because the copyright lobby is getting paid for the sale of the item because it could be used for piracy? Like their blank CD tax...

Re:iPod tax?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252751)

Does it mean its legal to pirate music on iPods because the copyright lobby is getting paid for the sale of the item because it could be used for piracy? Like their blank CD tax...

Nope, you get to pay the tax and get fucked in the arse.

Re:iPod tax?! (5, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252929)

Does it mean its legal to pirate music on iPods because the copyright lobby is getting paid for the sale of the item because it could be used for piracy? Like their blank CD tax...

Again, another case of them wanting to have their cake and eat it too.

They want the tax, er, levy ... and they want to make sure any form of copying is also illegal.

They're talking about making it a criminal offense to break any form of digital lock, for any reason. So, my old copy of DVD Decryptor is now a WMD. So much for fait use and some of our other rights.

Re:iPod tax?! (3, Funny)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253517)

a Weapon of Mass Decryption?

Of course not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253415)

The tax is to compensate copyright holders for all the pirates that got away with it. It does not implicitly legitimize said piracy, nor does it justify any reduction of penalties for piracy nor any reduction in tax dollars invested in the enforcement of anti-piracy laws nor any reduction in the extreme invasiveness needed to enforce said laws nor any re-institution of the due processes that are being bypassed in the name of said enforcement. Also, you have to pay the tax even if you aren't copying anything, because the harm thieves cause should be spread out among consumers rather than absorbed by the people from whom they steal.

You didn't expect a reasonable trade or anything did you?

Re:Of course not. (4, Funny)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253875)

For those that are confused it's sort of like taxing bathing suits to compensate beach owners for people sneaking onto their beaches without paying admission, except that the money actually goes to the guy that made the "beach ahead" sign. Don't worry, it doesn't make much sense to us Canadians either.

Re:iPod tax?! (1)

GmExtremacy (2579091) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253717)

A human could murder someone for no reason. Therefore, we need to punish everyone before that happens! Let's just throw everyone in prison! That'll show them!

Color me shocked (5, Informative)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252667)

The CRIA is the canadian arm of the RIAA. They just reached a settlement to pay $47.5 million to songwriters which they had been screwing for decades [thecmuwebsite.com] Why is anyone surprised they would try for this?

Re:Color me shocked (2)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252713)

My bad - it's the Canadian Independent Music Association (CIMA) [cirpa.ca] , not the CRIA.

Re:Color me shocked (3, Informative)

compro01 (777531) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253225)

No, the CIMA is a different bunch.

The group formerly known as the CRIA changed their name to "Music Canada" last year.

Re:Color me shocked (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252865)

They just reached a settlement to pay $47.5 million to songwriters which they had been screwing for decades Why is anyone surprised they would try for this?

That sounds like major criminal level copyright infringement and this level of piracy is rife in the music industry. Why should artists have to go to all this trouble to get their due? Surely what we need is a system whereby artists can bypass the legal system to secure license fees for commercial usage of their works?

Re:Color me shocked (2)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253881)

It's called the Internet, and the music industry is trying the damnest to make sure the artists never hear about it.

Re:Color me shocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39254011)

It's not the artists, it is the suits. And the suits do not pass any of the gains along to the artists unless they are forced to

Re:Color me shocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253221)

Wow... this and the level of hypocrisy in the Vic Troes debacle. Is it something in the Canadian water?

Re:Color me shocked (2)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253391)

Just the grape koolaid the Conservatives have been drinking. Most of us think that they're a bunch of nutjobs, but unfortunately, because of the fucked up way our electoral system is set up, and the appallingly low voter turnout, they managed to get a majority government.

There's something to be said for the Australian system, where you could lose your citizenship if you don't vote.

Re:Color me shocked (4, Informative)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253973)

And you think it would turn out any better with 90% of the voting populace being completely uninformed about the candidates? What you'd most likely end up with would be people ether handing in blank/invalid ballots (they are anonymous after all) or simply picking the one at the top of the page. The only good that could POSSIBLY come of this would be that minority parties would get more representation. But remember, for every GOOD minority party, there are also VERY, VERY BAD ones. I'm not talking "destroy the environment" bad, I'm talking white-supremest bad (no joke, take a look at some of the parties that never get seats, it's bloody frightening what some of them push).

Re:Color me shocked (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254265)

Most of us think that they're a bunch of nutjobs, but unfortunately, because of the fucked up way our electoral system is set up, and the appallingly low voter turnout, .

Well, that's because someone's been tampering with the system. That someone should, ideally, be preserved and hanged from Parliament Hill as an example to others.

I am not picky about the order in which those are done nor the methods used.

Re:Color me shocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253845)

the Vic Troes debacle

Well, at least you got some of the letters in Toews correct.

Re:Color me shocked (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253245)

The CRIA is the canadian arm of the RIAA

Yes, it is. In fact, most of the Canadian labels LEFT CRIA! They had serious disagreements over suing those who pirated (like the RIAA labels did) and most left. What's left are the big three, and it's not really representing Canadian music at all.

As an aside, who wants to bet that this is the REAL reason why that spy bill was introduced? Not for the police, but for the music and movie industry?

Re:Color me shocked (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254327)

My brother signed a deal with Universal. They sold some records, did okay, then Universal decided that they would just do whatever they wanted and ignore the contract. "After all, we've got more lawyers..."

They went from offering tens of thousands for each band member when signing -- to handing them a bill for $50k when they asked for the cash. "Oh, after pressing, studio time, distribution, it looks like you owe us a fortune."

My brother and his bandmates called Universal's bluff, but they ended up walking away from the contract, and they can't sign with anyone else.

Re:Color me shocked (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253253)

They were young and needed the money?

Why all this silliness? (1)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252717)

Whenever this comes up it seems like the music industry behaves like a frightened animal in every single instance. Why doesn't it try to play it cool? Surely they must realize how these things sound to others? Or is "I want everything and the kitchen sink and I want it now" an actual, valid legal tactic that's reasonable given their circumstances?

Re:Why all this silliness? (3, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253001)

Whenever this comes up it seems like the music industry behaves like a frightened animal in every single instance. Why doesn't it try to play it cool?

What do they have to lose? Without draconian copyright laws they'll be closing their doors in a few years.

Yeah but ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252725)

Corporations are entitled to a profit. Anyone not buying product from them is guilty of the heinous crime of depriving a CEO of the rewards he is entitled to for being a CEO.

Found this... (5, Funny)

ilsaloving (1534307) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252731)

Hey, USA! *holds up rat traps with RIAA lawyers attached*

We found these in our garage. We left some money on a shelf the other day, figuring it would be ok, but it looks like these lil guys detected the scent and chewed their way inside. Do you want them back, or should we just take them to animal control to be euthanized?

Re:Found this... (1)

rotorbudd (1242864) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252977)

Just smash 'em with that shovel hanging on the garage wall.

Re:Found this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253019)

Only if you promise to make it as a painful as possible when you euthanized or wise jsut drop them out of your next 30K+ flight in said cages.

Re:Found this... (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253307)

Feet first through the wood chipper work for you?

I Want Free Donuts For Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252757)

Come on. Draft a law requiring Dunkin Donuts to give me free donuts for life, Congress!

Re:I Want Free Donuts For Life (1)

dakohli (1442929) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252819)

Sorry Buddy, This is Canada, that would be Tim Horton's Donuts for life!

Re:I Want Free Donuts For Life (1)

JimCanuck (2474366) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253159)

Day old donuts that have been trucked across country from central bakeries. Sounds like good eating.

Re:I Want Free Donuts For Life (2)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254101)

That's not true. They're day old FROZEN donuts made in a huge factory in Ontario.

That's why I get my donuts at a local bakery. A dozen and a half fresh-baked donuts for $5.25. (I get them from the OEM supplier for most of the cafes in town.)

Re:I Want Free Donuts For Life (2)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253167)

Sorry Buddy, This is Canada, that would be Tim Horton's Donuts for life!

Haven't you noticed the spread of the evil Starbucks?

It'll be biscotti and triple-foam low-fat chai latte with cinnamon sprinkles before long. :-P

Canadian law... (2)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252781)

...only slightly more obviously for sale than American law.

Canadian Music industry wants... (4, Insightful)

the_fat_kid (1094399) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252791)

I want a pony.
doesn't mean it will happen.

Well, see the problem is (2)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252933)

You cannot buy a politician, other people can and they do.

So they will get your pony as well.

Constitution? (2)

NoKaOi (1415755) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252801)

Does the Canadian constitution guarantee due process like the US's does? If so, does Canada ignore the constitution as readily as the US does? That said, this isn't really news, is it? They've been trying in the US, trying in the EU, etc, so of course they're gonna try in Canada. The news will be how well they succeed.

Re:Constitution? (4, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253071)

Our charter? Yeah it does. Actually a significant portion of the charter covers prosecution and protection from the law, of law, and other such sundry things. This will get no where because it has no basis in canadian law, fair dealing takes care of it. And that they've already agreed to the levy, means that they already get money. In turn the courts will toss this right out and slap them with yet another fine.

Re:Constitution? (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254169)

It guarantees privacy among other things. Having your ISP record everything you do without a warrant is simply not constitutional and wouldn't get past the SCC.

The other problem, and this is where they'll fuck it up, is that the loser pays court costs. It's not like in the US where the threat of a lawsuit means you're out tens of thousands to defend against the frivolous. If they were to try and sue someone, that person could easily have the "evidence" suppressed because the search isn't lawful.

Canadian case law would also make it more likely to be thrown out if you were using encryption, since you're locking stuff up so people don't take it.

Bear in mind all I know about law is my lawyer's phone number.

Also first pick of virgin daughters (5, Funny)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252803)

Anyone found to have downloaded, listened to, performed (including whistling, humming, and spoken-word), mentioned, or remembered, whether intentionally, unintentionally, or involuntarily, any music that cannot be proven to not be covered by copyright or potentially covered by copyright in the future, or anyone in possession of any digital copies of music without a DRM spinal shunt, will be required to send their virgin daughters upon reaching age 16 for inspection to:

Royal Canadian Music Industry Headquarters
Mount Doom, Canada

Any daughters found to be desirable will be held until no longer useful. If your daughter is held, you will be responsible for a $4,000 monthly sustenance fee until such time as she is released. Anyone not in compliance with the above policies will be sued unto death or capitulation.

So whats new? (3, Insightful)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252811)

The recording industry makes unreasonable demands. . Cue 500 angry comments on Slashdot and other similar sites

Rinse, Repeat.

Is this the recording indusries plan? To beat the public and legistlators into submission with their continued and relentless demands?

To spam each country with such requests in the hope that one will be foolish enough to fall for it? I never knew that big Media emerged from Nigeria

Re:So whats new? (3, Funny)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253195)

Who do you think gave Nigeria the idea in the first place?

Is that all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252815)

Why not just go for execution with no trail for suspicion of copyright infringement while their at it?

Re:Is that all? (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253367)

They're working on that. Give it a couple more elections.

Re:Is that all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253513)

Why not just go for execution with no trail for suspicion of copyright infringement while their at it?

First the law has to be changed so that they inherit the estate of the executed tax free with any and all liens null and void.

Ipod Tax (1, Flamebait)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252855)

Isn't that the premium you pay for anything with an apple logo on it?

Re:Ipod Tax (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253377)

Yes. I think they're talking about an *additional* ipod tax.

Re:Ipod Tax (1)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253673)

..and here I was thinkign that having to deal with iTunes was taxing enough

Ban speaking, while you're at it! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39252859)

That's phenomenal. Jesus, I can't believe Canada even allows iTunes, walkmans, megaphones... ANYTHING... in the country.

*shakes head in disbelief*

Now we'll be beefing up the Northern Border in defense of all the music fans. Yikes.

An outlandish sense of entitlement. (4, Insightful)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39252985)

The music and movie industry has an outlandish sense of entitlement that I think need jammed straight up their tailpipes. I had this argument today with a friend and I told him both of these industries are failing because their time has passed, the digital age has not only toppled their tight fisted distribution systems, but it's open the doors for the masses to be creative. Hence their days, like the stage coach before cars and highways, has passed.

Neither of these archaic industries are worth sacrificing the freedoms of the Internet for. I guess we will have to put them against the wall when the times comes as well.

Re:An outlandish sense of entitlement. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253143)

Save Music! (1)

jduhls (1666325) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253103)

Let the music INDUSTRY die.

Unlikely to happen, Really bad timing (5, Insightful)

volts (515080) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253179)

We just had a major shit-storm in Canada over a government bill (C-30) that would allow the police the right to identifying information without a warrant. The bill has been hustled off to committee for amendment as a result of public outrage. Government politician must be rolling their eyes at the timing of CIMA's demands.

"copyright owners" (2)

RichMan (8097) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253219)

Somehow I don't think writing a blog entry 5 years ago will qualify me as a "copyright owner" able to fire undocumented takedown notices and request unlimited statutory damages. "copyright owner" as used here means very specific media distributors. It does not mean real creators.

Re:"copyright owners" (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253381)

It does if you can afford to hire a skilled lawyer specialised in copyright law and pay any court fees.

I foresee a time... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253357)

...When the component of the conventional music industry that makes money from penalties and lawsuits exceeds the component of the conventional music industry that makes music. Eventually, they will only exist as an IP troll.

And only little girls will ride horses, man will walk on the moon, oh wait. That's already happened. And so has this, apparently.

sad but true (2)

snemiro (1775092) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253361)

Well ...these "intermediate" guys are close to extinction...they got as much as they could from artists, musicians, movies.....and now the consumer downloads the music or movie almost from the source. No more need of packaging, logistics, marketing, etc....(and also, they always " triple priced " everything between their own companies to wash some $, of course) So now they are begging for some change, because "the people is downloading music or movies". The real problem is when people in the Govt is "tempted", for example, with trips to Whistler or Mt Tremblant for all the family, in a fancy shmancy place, with a fireplace and 2 snowmobiles parked in the garage, free access to private hockey booth (10k/year) to watch a couple of matches, or any pseudo bribery method. ...On the other hand, teachers are on strike (BC) and the public health care system is starting to collapse.... Check how "fair" they play with the people who's feeding them! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting [wikipedia.org] Canada....I still have hope on us.

What I'd like to see... (2)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253487)

...is a regularly updated list of the music companies behind the worst of this legislation, prioritized by level of involvement or heinousness of the action, and the artists they represent. Then we can make a knowledgeable decision as consumers, whom to spend our money on. One could say "sucks to be those artists", but they don't get but a tiny fraction of music sales in a traditional contract anyway, and maybe the move will encourage more artists to go independent.

Web Browser Tax For Web Developers (2)

Ashenkase (2008188) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253609)

plus a new iPod tax

As a web developer here in Canada I am demanding a browser tax for every Canadian that views my websites via a browser. I am losing gajjillions of dollars every year because Canadians are "View Sourcing" my HTML/CSS/JS and copying it wholesale to make their own websites.

Every Canadian must pay a tax for each browser they use to me because I am too stupid to learn how to create other streams of revenue in this new digital world. I will instead sit on my pony in Hollywood and/or Hogtown and demand that my life of entitlement persist until the end of time.

What's next (1)

Shagg (99693) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253619)

Pretty soon they'll just come right out and tell the government "Give us all your money and don't ask any questions".

Oh wait... they just did.

"without court oversight as well as takedowns with no due process and unlimited statutory damages"

Everything we need! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39253707)

It is seeking increased liability for social networking sites, search engines, blogging platforms, video sites, and many other websites featuring third party contributions, plus a new iPod tax, and an extension in the term of copyright. Last week, it went further, demanding a requirement for Internet providers to disclose customer name and address information to copyright owners without court oversight as well as takedowns with no due process and unlimited statutory damages.

Sure, it SOUNDS good, but what's the catch?

futile (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 2 years ago | (#39253963)

You'll never completely stop copyright infringement.

I think rather this is a tactic to use liability as a weapon against the competition.

Find a website that hurts your business, go snooping for copyright infringing users, use liability to get the site shut down.

Reminds me of an old saying (1)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39254007)

" People in Hell want ice water ".

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