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Warner Bros: New Program To Digitize Your DVDs

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the more-drm-is-awesome dept.

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shoutingloudly writes "Warner Brothers has just announced a new 'Disc-to-Digital' program to convert your DVDs into digital files that you can play on your internet-connected computers. As the helpful Public Knowledge graphics demonstrate, all you have to do is find a participating store, drive there, pay again for your movie, wait while it's ripped for you, drive home, and hope it works. This will surely have tech-savvy movie fans saying, 'Brilliant! I've been looking for an excuse to uninstall this free, 1-step DVD ripper that I can use in the comfort of my own home. This is much better than DMCA reform.'" In exchange for paying a bit more you might get a higher resolution copy (DRM encumbered and stored in "the cloud"). The launch process is absurdly cumbersome, but: "Later on, Internet retailers like Amazon.com will email customers to offer digital copies of DVDs they previously bought. Eventually, consumers will be able to put DVDs into PCs or certain Blu-ray players that will upload a copy, similar to the way people turn music CDs into MP3 files." Will the video distributors ever offer DRM-free files that you own? The music industry doesn't seem to be any worse off than they were when they insisted upon DRM.

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371 comments

For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? (5, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265765)

Wow, what a deal.

Seriously, who the hell is in charge at Warner Home Video these days? When DVD first came out in 1997, Warner was one of the leaders in DVD's. They offered the best extras, were the first to make anamorphic DVD's their standard (meaning my first Warner DVD's still look pretty good even on a HDTV), and were real cheerleaders for the format back when a lot of people were saying things like "Why would Joe Sixpack want to give up his VHS tapes?" and "Laserdisc looks so much better" (I kid you not, those were prominent arguments against DVD in those days).

But in the last few years, their home video department has went to shit. Their support for early HD-DVD and blu-ray was weak. Their blu-ray discs these days are almost as annoying with the upfront/unskippable trailers as Sony. Even their extras seem weak these days.

You used to be cool, Warner.

Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? (5, Funny)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266027)

Don't be silly; obviously this is the most exciting revolution the film industry has ever seen! Can't you see how cutting-edge and novel this technology is? Why, I'm sure absolutely everyone will line up to use this revolutionary and convenient service before you can blink! The future is today!

...now wait for them to kill it, and whine about how it's obviously impossible to capitalize on digital distribution.

Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266135)

...now wait for them to kill it, and whine about how it's obviously impossible to capitalize on digital distribution.

No, like that one incompetent ninja who only got in because his dad was a ninja, they'll find a way to blame pirates for all their screw-ups.

Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266097)

Old people don't get it, and they never will. The digital revolution is about what's possible that wasn't possible before, not about doing everything the way you did it before only with digital files instead of physical media.

Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? (4, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266223)

It's not about being resistant to doing things in a new way.

Nobody is protesting the fact that the future's model will probably be digital purchases stored in the cloud and accessed anywhere.

People are making fun of a laughable attempt to DRM movies that people bought before DRM, at cost to the consumer.

Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266341)

Nobody is protesting the fact that the future's model will probably be digital purchases stored in the cloud and accessed anywhere.

I'm not protesting it ... but I'm not going there until I have no other choice.

I want my media contained on my machine, and in a way that doesn't require an internet connection or make it possible for someone to decide that I've "unbought" it.

I'm not paying my ISP for the bandwidth to download something I already have ... I for one will not be putting anything into the cloud, because you basically lose control over it.

Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266157)

Dear Tsujihara, why don't you go outside and play a nice game of "hide and go fuck yourself".
Sincerely,
DVD Owners of legally purchased physical media

Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? (5, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266303)

Wow, what a deal.

MPAA: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

Us: Uh, you're not Darth Vader, and we don't need to take the deal. We're going to continue ripping our movies for backup if we want.

MPAA: I FORCE CHOKE YOU! [extends hand]

Us: This is almost as painful to watch as episode one.

Re:For only a small fee I can watch my own movie? (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266361)

MPAA: I FORCE CHOKE YOU! [extends hand]

Its pretty much obligatory to post this here i think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmQB1n68KFQ [youtube.com]

huh (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265795)

It's already digital.

Re:huh (4, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266049)

"Warner Brothers has just announced a new 'Disc-to-Digital' program to convert your DVDs into digital files...

It's already digital.

Yeah... here's the rest of the sentence you only got halfway through:

...that you can play on your internet-connected computers.

Ah... now it's all clear!

Re:huh (2)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266283)

So what they really mean is Disc-to-some internet connected computers.

Re:huh (-1, Troll)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266323)

What they mean is disc to a file you can play on your machine.

Being confused about this doesn't actually make you look smart. Just the opposite, actually.

Re:huh (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266209)

But it isn't Digital(tm).

Slashdot stips the unicode trademark symbol. Shame on them!

Re:huh (3, Insightful)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266307)

Slashdot stips the unicode trademark symbol. Shame on them!

Well of course they don't support the technology: It's only fourteen years old [ietf.org] , after all. What did you think this was, some sort of cutting-edge technology news site?

Already have some (4, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265797)

DVDShrink, VLC media player, MakeMKV...take your pick.

Re:Already have some (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265815)

don't forget handbrake and ripbotx264

Re:Already have some (1)

Deathnerd (1734374) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265871)

MakeMKV?! O.o Where the hell was this 6 years ago when I was converting my anime library? I mean, I like VideoDubMod and all, but MAN was it a pain.

Re:Already have some (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266269)

MakeMKV?! O.o Where the hell was this 6 years ago when I was converting my anime library? I mean, I like VideoDubMod and all, but MAN was it a pain.

The entirety of your post past the overly exuberant emoticon was completely redundant, you know. I think we all could've guessed exactly where you were going with it once the eyes came out.

Re:Already have some (2)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265969)

Just about any modern editing software can read VOB files these days, once they've been ripped. Even Premiere can take a DVD and turn it into about any format you like.

Re:Already have some (1)

isorox (205688) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266203)

Just about any modern editing software can read VOB files these days, once they've been ripped. Even Premiere can take a DVD and turn it into about any format you like.

Not ones with CSS. Not legally anyway.

Re:Already have some (5, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266325)

I accidentally installed AnyDVD and it fixes that problem

Re:Already have some (2, Informative)

Narcocide (102829) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266085)

I like dvdbackup to rip the contents of the DVD, then I just concatenate the VOBs together manually with cat and pass them through ffmpeg to compress them;

for BLAH in 1 2; do ffmpeg -i [VOB FILE] -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -pass $BLAH -sameq -aspect [ASPECT RATIO] -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec ac3 -sameq [AVI FILE] -map 0:0 -map 0:2; done

Wait a minute. (5, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265799)

There are analog DVDs?

Re:Wait a minute. (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265859)

Sort of, but they're much bigger and the data is serial-access only. The player costs a shit-ton too.

Re:Wait a minute. (4, Funny)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265897)

Are those the black CDs that are read by a vibrating needle?

Re:Wait a minute. (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265961)

No those are the analog audio CDs.

Re:Wait a minute. (1)

AnalogDiehard (199128) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266353)

Are those the black CDs that are read by a vibrating needle?

Yup, and you need a player with a crank on the side.

Re:Wait a minute. (2)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265911)

I don't understand the part where the "DVD owner's" takes the disks into a store for "digital conversion". Beyond the oxymoron of converting DVDs to digital, I don't understand the reason for this. Is Warner using customers(users) to build a digital library, or is this the best way they could handle the exchange to prove that you have the original to get the digital copy?

Re:Wait a minute. (4, Insightful)

suutar (1860506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266009)

It's the best way they could extract money from you. Proving you have the original is useless; you could have borrowed it. Building a library using user disks is moronic; I flatly refuse to believe they don't have the data in their archives (disc masters, for example). Going to the store is the way to make sure you're using their approved machine and paying for the privilege.

Re:Wait a minute. (5, Insightful)

xclr8r (658786) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266255)

The following is not my stance.

It does a couple things:
1. It shows there are alternatives to piracy so that "I have no alternative" isn't valid anymore.
2. #1 allows legislatures to lay down laws that are harsh since there are alternatives.
3. It's a labor intensive process that will make someone say why bother my time is worth more. Then the option of buying through some internet portal is made available at slightly higher price than conversion. win - win.. right?!?
4. profit off the docile and persecute the unbelievers.

Re:Wait a minute. (2)

hughJ (1343331) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266319)

It's possible they could mark or imprint something on the DVD so that you simply can't exchange the same disk between a group of people.

Re:Wait a minute. (1)

Aryden (1872756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266227)

if you make the DVD, you have to have the digital version...in your library...

Re:Wait a minute. (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265951)

Sure ... in the minds of motion picture executives, where lots of false facts abound.

Re:Wait a minute. (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265997)

There are two possibilities. Either they're dumb, or they think we are.

Re:Wait a minute. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266311)

Or the third possibility. By offering this stupid service as an alternative of people just ripping their DVDs on their own, they'll try to claim dvd rippers are destroying their business model and begin new attacks on the evil pirates who won't pay for their movies a second time.

Re:Wait a minute. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266345)

And both things are kind of true, aren't they?

Re:Wait a minute. (3, Informative)

Megane (129182) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266177)

Sort of. [wikipedia.org]

I mean, they're shiny and plastic like DVDs, but instead of a digital encoding, they use a series of pits which represent a fully over-modulated multi-band RF signal. The distance between the pit edges is the analog signal.

Re:Wait a minute. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266349)

How exactly do you think DVD's work dipshit? Analog would use magnetic encoding like VHS tapes or cassette tapes. The only difference between laserdisk and DVD is the frequency of the beam and the size of the media.

Handbrake Plug (5, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265805)

I didn't see Handbrake [handbrake.fr] on that page of search results from Freecode so I thought I'd offer this up as well. Fairly simple interface, runs flawlessly on Windows 7 and Ubuntu for me. Open source and easy way to get DVDs into m4v format. Plus there are preset resolutions for things like iPhones, iPods and I found the resolution for a PSP. So basically I spend my flights with circumaural Sennheisers and Futurama or MST3K playing on my PSP -- the worse part about that setup being that Sony's memory card [wikipedia.org] cost me a ton. So far it's ripped the blu-rays I've put in just fine as well.

Rip them to m4v and host them with PS3 Media Server [google.com] and then they're good to play over your network to your PS3 or XBox 360 (and probably any other UPnP compliant device).

Do I feel guilty that I have shelled out $35+ for each of the 22 sets of MST3K and each season of Futurama and then violated copyright to move said shows onto any device capable of playing video? Not one fucking bit. Go ahead and do your little song and dance, I've got my shit figured out (thank you open source!).

Re:Handbrake Plug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265957)

Handbrake used to DeCSS DVDs but that code has been missing from the code base for a couple of years now. You'll need another decryption layer between the DVD reader and Handbrake for it to work properly on most commercial DVDs - FairMount or AnyDVD come to mind.

Re:Handbrake Plug (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266029)

Really? I downloaded the Mac build of Handbrake over Christmas and it worked fine out of the box. These days I just use dvdbackup and dump the VOB files on my NAS. Disk space is so cheap that there's little point in recompressing, and this way I get all of the menus and special features - vlc plays them back quite happily.

Re:Handbrake Plug (2)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266043)

The odd thing is that it uses VLC for decryption...but only on OS X. It checks your Applications folder for it. I haven't seen anything equivalent on Windows, which is rather strange.

Re:Handbrake Plug (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266347)

no it does not. Handbrake no longer has any DeCSS capability. you have to fix that manually.

Re:Handbrake Plug (5, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266259)

It uses libdvdread. libdvdread will use libdvdcss if it's available.... so you just have to make sure you have it in a location the dynamic loader can find it (eg with all the other dll/so files in it's installation)

Re:Handbrake Plug (2, Informative)

Deathnerd (1734374) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265977)

I would take a look at Tversity [tversity.com] . I've used it for going on 5 years and haven't had any problems streaming to any device (except for iOS devices when they decided to make that a Pro feature only :\ )

Re:Handbrake Plug (2)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266273)

... when they decided to make that a Pro feature only

... and you're trying to convince us to look at it? You just did the opposite.

Re:Handbrake Plug (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266389)

forget tversity if you want a DLNA server. Try TVMobili [tvmobili.com] instead. Open source, free, cross platform without being Java, small and works. (in fact so small and works that I had trouble remembering what it was called)

Or, you can use PS3MediaServer (which is good, but I dumped it when Windows used to go to sleep halfway through a movie.. PS3MP can't prevent this happening).

Or there are a hundred different ones out there.

Re:Handbrake Plug (5, Informative)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266069)

Not to mention that Handbrake is multithreaded to hell and back. Ripping a DVD can keep my i7 2600k @ 4.5ghz pegged above 80% the whole time. A high-quality DVD rip will finish in less than 20 minutes per pass. Haven't tried BluRay yet, but I will soon.

deCSS is for criminals! (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265809)

Let me guess -- deCSS is for criminals, because it allows people to rip DVDs on their own, without paying for the privilege, and without requiring an Internet connection to watch?

Re:deCSS is for criminals! (3, Interesting)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266309)

DMCA says yes. Civil disobedience says no.

Already posted... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265817)

Stop reposting the same shit.

absurdly cumbersome? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265821)

Do you geeks ever stop crying about anything? If you already own it and find the service unsatisfying just don't use it.
 
(first world) Problem solved!

Re:absurdly cumbersome? (2, Insightful)

DC2088 (2343764) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265853)

Heaven forbid the target market for a service should get to voice complaints about the service being marketed to them. What a day to run out of mod points.

Re:absurdly cumbersome? (2)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266061)

You would have wasted mod points on an AC post? And here I thought Warner Bros was the idiot of the thread...

here comes the BOSTON STRANGLER! again. (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266119)

DIVX killed Circuit City. Now they wan to kill Best Buy.

Re:absurdly cumbersome? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266153)

Well, that's the thing: Slashdot isn't the target market for this service.

Re:absurdly cumbersome? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266055)

Or you could just fire up iTunes and have it rip the DVD for you. Oh, wait, no you can't because the consortium including the company launching this service refuses to provide a DVD license to companies producing software that does this and lobbied for laws that make it possible for them to go after companies that do.

Digital (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265823)

DVDs are already digital.

Re:Digital (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266235)

Early DVDs often had a digitally encoded analog video picture on them. Have a look at an early Blade Runner DVD for an example of how not to make a DVD - the whole thing is a digitally encoded copy of the VHS master.

Re:Digital (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266249)

And as I replied to the first person to point this out: They are digital, but they aren't Digital(tm).

If I buy a DVD (5, Funny)

eternaldoctorwho (2563923) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265825)

then why am I allowed to watch it as many times as I want? It seems like being able to have unlimited free viewings of the movie would infringe on some sort of DRM protections. I'm surprised they are not arguing that I need to pay per viewing as if I kept going back to the theater. After all, those who own a DVD of a movie will not go back and buy more copies, thus taking business away from movie producers the MPAA studios honest hard-working people.

Re:If I buy a DVD (1)

eternaldoctorwho (2563923) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265933)

thus taking business away from movie producers the MPAA studios honest hard-working people.

Okay, I get a fail for that one. Does /. not allow the strike or s tags?

Re:If I buy a DVD (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266357)

Nope. Did it show you the strikethrough on the preview?

Re:If I buy a DVD (3, Insightful)

suutar (1860506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266033)

Because they hadn't figured out a way to make the alternative salable (they tried, but divx (the disk format, not the codec) died an ignominious and well-deserved death), because folks had gotten used to VHS, where you can watch as many times as the tape will survive.

Re:If I buy a DVD (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266383)

then why am I allowed to watch it as many times as I want? It seems like being able to have unlimited free viewings of the movie would infringe on some sort of DRM protections.

Because the use-counter ratchet mechanism which someone once tried to put in VHS cassettes isn't compatible with DVDs.

Um, Duh? (4, Insightful)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265827)

"The music industry doesn't seem to be any worse off than they were when they insisted upon DRM."

Yeah... because don't use it anymore. At least, most of them have wised up and have dropped their DRM schemes. Where they did have DRM, they lost money.

Now if only some of the game makers would similarly wise up. Like you, Ubisoft.

what's the 'D' stand for? (2)

j2.718ff (2441884) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265845)

And all this time, I thought the first D in DVD stood for "Digital". Apparently, I was wrong - it probably stands for DRM.

Re:what's the 'D' stand for? (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265919)

Well, you were wrong. The 'D' stands for analog. The person who coined the name was an idiot who couldn't spell.

Re:what's the 'D' stand for? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266381)

No, you are wrong. CDs and DVDs are digital media. The information is contained in the transitions between pits/lands dyes or phase-changes (for recordables/rewritables)

Re:what's the 'D' stand for? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266289)

The real mystery is the V. Is it for Video? Or Versatile? The truth is, it actually stands for both: The original spec was for 'versatile,' but video publishers swiftly started calling them 'video' discs instead.

Actually uploading or is it my.mp3.com? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265855)

my.mp3.com's matching was a decade+ ahead of its time. You inserted your CD, it matched it, and then gave you access to mp3s you could stream wherever. Of course, it was so far ahead of its time that it was sued out of existence. Nice to see it only took them, and iTunes Match, a decade or so to catch up and re-do it.

Re:Actually uploading or is it my.mp3.com? (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266103)

That entire decade was probably made up of negotiations with every group of stuffed suits at the RIAA...

Mat (2)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265863)

This idea ranks right up there with the "Jump to Conclusions" mat. Nice job Warner Bros.

"Digitize" DVDs? (4, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265879)

DVD's are already digital. No "digitization" is required.

...people who own standard DVDs will have the option of getting a high-definition digital copy for an extra fee.

Oh right. "HD." Is that upscaled-DVD "HD" or barely 720p "HD"?

Eventually, consumers will be able to put DVDs into PCs or certain Blu-ray players that will upload a copy, similar to the way people turn music CDs into MP3 files.

Yes. That already exists. Except they want to put it in the cloud, so the movie you bought, then paid extra for to have in non-physical form, can still be completely controlled by them. Sure, that'll work. /sarcasm

Re:"Digitize" DVDs? (2)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266191)

Oh right. "HD." Is that upscaled-DVD "HD" or barely 720p "HD"?

No, it's the same DVD original converted into a much bigger file and resold to a gullible idiot who thinks it looks so much better now.

Does the store keep your old DVD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265881)

If they let you take it home, then you could give it to your friend, so he could also pay for a wonderful "cloud" copy.

So I am thinking they will confiscate your DVD. Ha ha.

"Own" is the wrong word (4, Insightful)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265887)

Will the video distributors ever offer DRM-free files that you own?

It is the position of the movie industry that you are renting viewing rights with any movie purchase and nothing more. So no, they will never, ever offer files that consumers "own". Some people will actually take them up on this "offer" but it won't be very many.

Re:"Own" is the wrong word (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265937)

"It is the position of the movie industry that you are renting viewing rights with any movie purchase and nothing more."

Their "position" is irrelevant. The law says otherwise.

Re:"Own" is the wrong word (3, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266261)

Their "position" is irrelevant. The law says otherwise.

For now.

Don't forget, due to lobbying pressures by the *AAs, some countries are moving to make it a criminal act to circumvent any form of copyright encryption.

And, game manufacturers are trying to establish that a video game is a "service" not a "good" so they can yank it out from underneath you anytime they like.

They are trying very hard (and succeeding to a certain extent) in convincing lawmakers that the current laws are inadequate to maintain their desired level of revenue.

They don't care about what's legal now, they want to make it all illegal ... and then make sure everything you do can be monetized so you have to pay for every time you watch (and for every person watching). Hell, Sony would be the first company to argue against what they argued for with the early Beta VCRs ... that you don't have the right to record for personal use to watch later.

Think of the whole HDMI spec being required to implement HDCP -- I know people who bought HDTVs 10+ years ago that can't actually get an HD image anymore because the TV isn't "allowed" to receive it.

Give it time, it will be made illegal, and they'll probably try to make it retroactive, so that possessing stuff that was ripped before the law is still illegal.

And, for the record, I hope to hell I'm wrong.

Re:"Own" is the wrong word (2)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266385)

Not in this case. Thanks to the DMCA you own a piece of shiny plastic, you have no right to defeat the copy protection mechanism (CSS) in order to access the VOB files and place shift the content from the shiny plastic to your player of choice. Personally I don't care what the law says and will not pay again to access the exact same content but the law is the law. Btw courts have so far upheld this interpretation multiple times whenever a home theater company has brought a product to market that allows the customer to import their DVD collection.

Re:"Own" is the wrong word (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266159)

You don't "own" the content on an LP or 8-Track either. You have a limited, non-commercial license that's tied to the physical media the music sits on. 'twas ever thus.

At this point, I've pretty much given up on buying DVDs. I haven't watched any "extras" in a few years, and don't find myself re-watching them very often.

Re:"Own" is the wrong word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266301)

In the absence of some sort of contract I sign when "buying" a DVD, I assume the act of buying a DVD is just that. The cashiers do not correct me when I ask to buy it, the advertisers clearly entice you to buy the new move on DVD or Blu-Ray. I'm buying the movie.

Given that, I have no qualms about transferring it to a different format. And legally you can (What's illegal is selling or giving the tools to do so)

Hello, we're all waiting for you to catch up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265891)

Everything important has been proven for you already:
-Distribution
-Payment

And yet you guys still think you won't make money because at best you regard your customers as thieves and regard your media as a fungible asset instead of a service.

If you made it cheap and easy for me to buy and download stuff you'd not only tap into the much broader market that's already there but you'd corner the lazy factor AND potentially crush the real thieves who press fake DVDs and pass them off as legit.

Stop being afraid of taking the next step. Go for the Win.

They stabbed it with their steely knives... (4, Informative)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265893)

...but they just can't kill the beast (that is the extant movie industry).

Anyone remember when you could get self-destructing DVD's that had an oxidizing layer that only made them good for a few days? That flopped, then IIRC Disney bought and tried to resurrect the tech.

Anytime these somebody at one of these companies gets an idea on how to put a fence around their users, they try it. The general idea seems to be if you throw enough shit at the wall, some of it is bound to stick.

Every time I hear of one of these crackpot schemes I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but I do get an image in my mind of Daffy Duck going "mine, mine, mine, mine" as he shrinks away.

The music and television references in the above are there because I want them to be. Issues a takedown if you must!

Re:They stabbed it with their steely knives... (5, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266031)

The self destructing DVDs weren't a terrible idea. It allowed a rental model without having to return them. This would have made it a consumer convenience.

The problem is public acceptance. I think people have a natural belief that the cost of buying something is related to the cost to make it. If they can buy exactly the same thing for less, but they're paying extra to have it not be deliberately sabotaged. Even if they do understand the business model it's hard to shake this feeling of being fleeced.

Re:They stabbed it with their steely knives... (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266263)

The self destructing DVDs weren't a terrible idea. It allowed a rental model without having to return them. This would have made it a consumer convenience.

No, in actual practice Divx discs [wikipedia.org] (the format the GP was talking about, not to be confused with the divx codec), were piece-of-shit lame versions of the far superior DVD's. If that bastard of a format had won out (and it wasn't intended to supplement DVD, mind you, it was trying to kill DVD), we would have a world today of DVD's that each require activation at each viewing, had no extras, wasn't available in widescreen or anamrophic and which could be shut off at anytime by the studio (forcing you to rebuy it).

It should tell you something that Divx was co-created by a bunch of lawyers at a Hollywood law firm.

Re:They stabbed it with their steely knives... (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266313)

It had a few technological issues too. The decay rate was dependant a lot on external conditions, so a lot of DVDs were already self-destructed before they were sent out due to improper storage.

Two Words.. (4, Insightful)

Nonillion (266505) | more than 2 years ago | (#39265899)

No Thanks...

Here we go again. Own?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265991)

What part of you don't OWN anything just refuses to get through anyone's head around here? You own the plastic upon which there is a thin foil layer which happens to hold 1s and 0s, the sequence of which you have

LICENSED.

Get it yet?

Re:Here we go again. Own?! (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266107)

Sorry, wasn't paying attention, too busy downloaded non-DRMed copies via Bittorrent. What were you nattering on about again?

Re:Here we go again. Own?! (2)

91degrees (207121) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266165)

What part of you don't OWN anything just refuses to get through anyone's head around here?

You do. You own a copy. You don't licence it. It's yours.

You don't have the right to copy it but that has nothing to do with ownership of the copy. This is a legal restriction whereby copyright law gives exclusive rights to copy to the copyright holder.

You can do want you want within within the law. You can watch it, you can watch scenes out of order. You can watch it with friends and you can even sell it on. No licence agreement can prevent any of this because none of this involves making a copy.

Will this work with my DIVX disks as well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39265993)

Good finally, I have a use for my DIVX disks besides coasters.

Re:Will this work with my DIVX disks as well? (0)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266321)

For a long time, I had one in my toilet that I took great delight in pissing on. When Circuit City went out of business, I took it out. Justice had been served.

Upload my movies? (2)

Ragnarok89 (1066010) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266079)

Just how much bandwidth do they think we have? Almost all home internet packages are capped, and don't get me started on how long it would take to upload a Blu-Ray. So in addition to paying their extra fees, I might have to pay for the extra bandwidth needed to upload my own movies as well... It's a nice idea, but not thought through very well.

Re:Upload my movies? (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266271)

You do not actually think that you will be uploading movies, do you? The services that provide you with the movie storage will already have copies; you will insert a DVD so that they can check that you really do have a copy of it, then magically you can access the shared copy that everyone else accesses.

Cumbersome? Absurd? All of the above.

Fuck you, Warner Bros.! (3, Interesting)

ISurfTooMuch (1010305) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266089)

Yeah, I know this post really adds nothing new to this discussion, but I just have to say it. Fuck you, Warner Bros.! I'll rip my DVD's--you know, the ones I paid for--on my own computer, in the comfort of my own home, on my schedule, and I'll watch them anywhere I please. And you know what, if I take a notion, I'll even set up a media server and stream them all over my house. And you won't see one extra penny from any of this.

Oh, and I'll show others how to do the same thing.

You guys had a golden opportunity here. You could have offered digital copies of the movies people already bought for a reasonable price, maybe as a streaming option, but no, you not only decided to charge them, but you went out of your way to make it more inconvenient than it would be if they simply do it themselves. You really are a bunch of geniuses. Please tell us where you got your MBA's so we can all go there and develop the acute business acumen that you obviously possess.

Nobel Peace Prize FTW (1)

halfkoreanamerican (2566687) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266219)

Middle school children can come up with business strategies more sound than this. But they should at least get some sort of meaningless award for their efforts.

I can't wait until Hollywood unions find out. (5, Insightful)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#39266221)

The MPAA and RIAA have been playing the shell game of leasing and owning content with consumers for years. They might have finally stuck their foot in it.

The RIAA is currently going after digital music re-sellers with the argument that consumers licensed the music use and do not own the asset for re-sale. Recently musicians have taken notice of the case because they get a one time payment for each sale. Treating the sale as a license means they are being grossly underpaid.

Now Warner is going to legally re-define your DVD from a sale to a digital license. I have a feeling many of the hundreds of people involved in creating each film will have an opinion about this.

My internet connection (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39266245)

If I own a copy 5GB of data, I'm NOT going to re-download it every time I want to play it. What if my internet access is capped?

  I pay when:
I buy the DVD
When they rip it for me
When I download it
When I download it again
When I download it again again
When they want fees for hosting it for me (betcha they will)
Can someone remind me whats in it for me?

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