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'Of Course We Are In a Post-PC World,' Says Ray Ozzie

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the you-can-pry-my-pc-from-my-cold,-dead-hands dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Speaking at a tech conference in Seattle this week, former Microsoft Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie had some interesting things to say about the state of the computing industry. 'People argue about "are we in a post-PC world?" Why are we arguing? Of course we are in a post-PC world. That doesn't mean the PC dies, that just means that the scenarios that we use them in, we stop referring to them as PCs, we refer to them as other things.' Ozzie also thinks Microsoft's future as a company is strongly tied to Windows 8's reception. 'If Windows 8 shifts in a form that people really want to buy the product, the company will have a great future. ... It's a world of phones and pads and devices of all kinds, and our interests in general purpose computing — or desktop computing — starts to wane and people start doing the same things and more in other scenarios.'"

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399 comments

A Brave New World (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294191)

of greasy fingerprints.

Re:A Brave New World (5, Insightful)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294237)

Yes, say goodbye to your pristine mice and sanitary keyboards, which were never full of crumbs, hair and other disgusting detritus.

Re:A Brave New World (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294391)

You know what is pristine and sanitary? My screen.

Re:A Brave New World (2)

atlasdropperofworlds (888683) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294489)

I agree with this sentiment. I do dislike how my phone screen looks after a short use. I am repulsed by others' devices too - they make mine look like it just came out of the sanitizer by comparison.

Re:A Brave New World (4, Insightful)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294559)

Exactly. I hate people getting their greasy fingerprints all over my computer screen almost as much as I'd hate them taking a dump in my kitchen sink. Separation of input and output has its advantages...

Oleophobic screens only work so well, someone needs to come up with a better solution (and then a better garbage disposal).

Re:A Brave New World (3, Funny)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294637)

The worst is when you find a short, curly hair in your keyboard that's not your hair color.

Re:A Brave New World (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294683)

The best is when you find a short, curly hair in your keyboard that's not your hair color.

FTFY

Re:A Brave New World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294649)

>Yes, say goodbye to your pristine mice and sanitary keyboards, which were never full of crumbs, hair and other disgusting detritus.

I'm not looking at my mouse or keyboard continuously while working. Are you?

Re:A Brave New World (3, Insightful)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294665)

It's been a long time since I tried to read my keyboard.

Re:A Brave New World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294779)

Cost of replacing a keyboard: $30 or less
Cost of replacing a screen: about $400 for something semi-decent.

Re:A Brave New World (3, Insightful)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294455)

And eyes ruined by squinting at tiny screens

Re:A Brave New World (1)

curious.corn (167387) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294547)

that's why I consider keyboards and mice like underwear... very inconvenient to touch and share

Re:A Brave New World (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294751)

Get off my screen.

Ruhroh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294197)

"Ozzie also thinks Microsoft's future as a company is strongly tied to Windows 8's reception."

They're doomed.

Re:Ruhroh (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294377)

I think Microsoft as a major player in the consumer market is probably going to fade. I still think they're going to be a major player in the medium-sized business and corporate world for some time to come. But as far as consumer devices go, they're so behind Apple and Android now that I just don't really see how they'll catch up.

Re:Ruhroh (1)

drodal (1285636) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294401)

And despite the zune and windows 8, I don't think they "get" consumers they same.

Look at vista, as a response to Mac OS

really pretty, but missing the point.

Re:Ruhroh (3, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294463)

I think a lot of Microsoft's success with consumer-grade PCs has been because of their dominance in the business world. You go out to buy a home PC, you want the same sort of OS and tools that you find on your work computer. But that's only a thin veneer, not an absolute requirement, and now that you have a generation of technology users who have no particular loyalty to Microsoft or to PCs in general, it no longer means very much at all.

Re:Ruhroh (3, Interesting)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294695)

I think their dominance in the home is because for a while they were the only choice if you didn't want to pay $$$ for overpriced hardware and a crappy OS - they basically had no competition. A significant percentage of the working population with home computers doesn't actually sit all day at a desk staring at a computer monitor (especially 15-20 years ago when MS took over the home market).

Now that Apple has addressed those 2 issues (and just completely dominated in marketing and industrial design) the market has changed drastically...

Re:Ruhroh (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294581)

Well, *someone* there gets consumers. Look at the Xbox as a response to the Playstation...

Re:Ruhroh (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294693)

It's not as good as the PS3. The interface is slower, they push adds to any empty box, the controllers require more motion to use. i.e. fingers need to move farther, and it's ridiculous to have an ongoing cost to play a game you bought.

What it DOES have is board games.

And I have an Xbox, ps3, and a wii

Re:Ruhroh (3, Interesting)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294781)

"And I have an Xbox, ps3, and a wii"

Your example is irrelevant. You didn't choose.

Re:Ruhroh (-1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294659)

Vista was in the works before OSX was. I know ignorant Apple fan boys like to spread shit.

Re:Ruhroh (5, Interesting)

lgw (121541) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294539)

"Ozzie also thinks Microsoft's future as a company is strongly tied to Windows 8's reception."

They're doomed.

They may well be. It's funny - I've been reading /. since before moderation, and for many years every year was going to be "the year of Linux on the desktop - this time for sure!" Well, now that that's become more of a running joke, it might actually become true. General purpose home computers will likely revert to a hobbyist thing before too many more years, and of course Linux will dominate at that point.

Non-hobby home PCs are fading fast., and it's really just PC gaming keeping Windows on home-built rigs today, which is a shrinking niche. The release of the Steam phone apps (even though they aren't really selling games yet) heralds the end. Once the big MMOs shift their client focus to mobile platforms (and that's coming for sure), it won't take long before there's no real point in running Windows on your home-built PC except that virtualized XP instance you use for classic games.

Re:Ruhroh (2)

khallow (566160) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294773)

it won't take long before there's no real point in running Windows on your home-built PC

What's going to take its place? The mobile platforms don't have the screen real estate.

and it's really just PC gaming keeping Windows on home-built rigs today

There's also a lot of stuff that uses graphics. Do you really think people will fill out spreadsheets or write papers on a mobile phone?

Re:Ruhroh or why the Metro UI is a dead end (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294833)

"Ozzie also thinks Microsoft's future as a company is strongly tied to Windows 8's reception."

They're doomed.

You can say that again. Even InfoWorld knows the Metro UI in Win8 is a dead end.

It's Zune. On steroids.

Then you're doomed, but I dont think its true. (5, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294205)

"If Windows 8 shifts in a form that people really want to buy the product, the company will have a great future."

From what I've seen, people will not be flocking to Windows 8 of their own free will. But the "good" news is that their will has little to do with it. New computes will come with Windows 8, and no doubt there will be some software feature tie ins that will require it. Much like Vista and DirectX.

Re:Then you're doomed, but I dont think its true. (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294443)

Agreed. Microsoft will still be around much like IBM as they still contribute value to the market at the enterprise level. Their consumer market division though sucks. Badly. With Windows 8, they're risking losing a core segment of their market in the pursuit of another already dominated by Apple. What Microsoft really needs is proper leadership. They haven't had that since Bill Gates left. They're kinda floating about bumbling around seemingly at random striking whatever limited success with luck. Not good.

Re:Then you're doomed, but I dont think its true. (3, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294553)

And that's fine on the PC. But when it comes to tablets and smartphones, that edge is gone. Microsoft has gone this way before when it tried to take on iPods, and the general consumer response was to reach over Zune players to grab the iPod on the shelf. Though not a perfect analogy, it also resembles Microsoft's failure at making a successful web portal. The first thing most people did when they got a new PC was to change the home page from MSN to Yahoo, and then after Yahoo had faded away, it was Google. The same goes with consoles. The whole Xbox division has swallowed who knows how much money now? And it's only been very recently that the division has even turned a profit, though certainly not enough to pay the vast investment.

Re:Then you're doomed, but I dont think its true. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294803)

XBox was always a way to get a Microsoft-label in children's hands before the iDevices. Those were advertisement dollars.

You can have my PC (3, Insightful)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294211)

You can have my PC when you pry it out of my cold dead arms.

Re:You can have my PC (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294239)

This. The day the general-purpose computer is phased out is one I hope I'll never live to see.

Re:You can have my PC (2)

drodal (1285636) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294451)

yeah, I used to think Punch cards were great.......

Then people laughed at me and called me an idiot.........

really I can't login to my illiac 7 any more.......oh the sorrow

Re:You can have my PC (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294573)

There is a huge push to pry general computing out of the hands of citizens. Tablets are conditioning us for centralized storage (aka The Cloud), and if it ever gains traction, the next step will be to centralize processing power and "stream" the video output to our dumb terminals. It's all about controlling what people do on their systems, because they know they will never turn the internet into one-way information flow without wresting the processor and long-term storage from personal ownership. Once the corporate collective controls these, then we will be told what we can and cannot do with them, and how much we have to pay to do (or avoid) it. We really need to build a publicly-owned infrastructure for the net, let the high end of the market be controlled by Big Money.

Re:You can have my PC (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294791)

You are 100% spot on. I've been saying this ever since the napster debate with filesharing.

Look at this scary new Google OS that wants to store everything on their servers. I knew the instant I heard about that, it would be used to stop piracy. Imagine waking up one morning and half your shits gone. Some "filter" detected illegal content and removed it to "protect" you.

At some point it will be illegal to posess a "personal" computer. Or Intel/AMD and other small players will collectively stop selling CPU's to the market once some "online computer" is made available. It will be taken from us by stopping the flow of parts and upgrades. Plus Quake 9 runs a *lot* faster through the remote service!!!!

Re:You can have my PC (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294297)

You can have my PC when you pry it out of my cold dead arms.

There's an app for that.

Re:You can have my PC (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294299)

If they want me in Apple's (or anyone else's) walled garden, someone will have to drag my bloody corpse there. And even then I'll be fighting it.

Re:You can have my PC (1)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294325)

Did you not read the summary?

That doesn't mean the PC dies, that just means that the scenarios that we use them in, we stop referring to them as PCs, we refer to them as other things.

Re:You can have my PC (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294541)

we refer to them as other things

We'll refer to them as greasy finger-print displays.

Re:You can have my PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294543)

So not Post-PC, just Post-PC nomenclature?

Re:You can have my PC (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294681)

Oh great... back to the day of the "Word Processor [wikipedia.org] "... with the cloud the next step in centralized management/censorship/control will be mainframes.

Re:You can have my PC (4, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294383)

No one is coming to take your PC. What Ozzie and others are saying is that previously you needed a PC for a minimal amount of functionality like email and web surfing. Smart phones and tablets are now good enough to offer that functionality. Thus manufacturers are rushing to provide this need. Those that don't recognize this trend will not be able to take advantage.

Re:You can have my PC (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294519)

I bought a desktop yesterday, because I still want to do some of the stuff you can't do on all your newfangled devices.
I still want to write, draw, compose, and program.
In a word, I want to create.
How ironic that it used to be Apple that was known for empowering the creative types.

Re:You can have my PC (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294593)

If people need to create content, you can still buy a PC. No one is stopping you from doing so. What you fail to recognize is that not everyone wants to create content on every device. Some devices like tablet might be more convenient to consume content.

Re:You can have my PC (-1, Flamebait)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294743)

Don't reply to AC, they are either trolls or idiots, neither is worth your time.

Re:You can have my PC (5, Interesting)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294423)

In the beginning, only the nerds had PCs.

Then they went all mainstream. Mouses. Color Monitors. Facebook. There came a time when even little old ladies had a PC.

That's now changing. Being in a "Post-PC world" just means that the little old ladies and other consumers of digital entertainment will use some other non-PC device.

The best part: nerds will finally be left alone with their PCs. I, for one, look forward to this wonderful "Post-PC Utopia."

Re:You can have my PC (1)

atlasdropperofworlds (888683) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294557)

I forsee the pre-build PC market shrinking a ton, and the custom build market growing to take up all the slack. PC nerds will have these smartphones and tablet in addition to their PCs. Grandma/Pa will just have a tablet and/or smartphone.

Re:You can have my PC (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294775)

As percentages, yes. But only because people aren't buy PC. In real dollars? no.

Re:You can have my PC (1)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294627)

But the upside of everybody having a PC is that PC components get very, very inexpensive because of volume. If it the hardware goes more niche, the prices go up.

Re:You can have my PC (2)

BryanL (93656) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294507)

I think you are missing the point. "Post-PC" does not mean the end of the personal computer. I use computing devices everyday. I have a desk top, laptop, an iPod, an iPad, an X360, a Wii, and a cell phone. Only two of those are what we commonly think of as a "PC." That is what it means to be living in a "post-PC" world: utilizing computing power in ubiquitous, non-obvious ways, away from what we think of as a "computer".

Re:You can have my PC (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294621)

You can have my PC when you pry it out of my cold dead arms.

From what I can tell, the article doesn't want to take your PC away so much as force you to start calling it something else.

So, henceforth, I will only refer to my PC as a soupspoon.

And my soupspoon ain't gonna be running Windows 8. Especially since I've learned that Microsoft is one of the 19 members of the "Heartland Institute" that is trying to get schools to only teach climate change in the context of "an ongoing controversy". The other members of this "Heartland Instutute" are Koch Industries, AT&T, ExxonMobil and other monopolies and/or polluters. Some of the other issues the Heartland Institute has been involved with is combating the notion that second-hand cigarette smoke could possibly be bad for you and working to make sure minorities, students and the elderly don't vote. Also, they are opposed to taxation for people with the last name of "Inc." and really really opposed to public eduction.

No Windows 8 for me. The fact that it will suck is only secondary to the reprehensible behavior of Microsoft as a corporation. Either way, I won't pay for another Microsoft product.

Re:You can have my PC (4, Funny)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294731)

If you are holding your PC in your arms maybe you should be considering something else after all.

Wormholes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294243)

I didn't see the Ray and thought this was some new Peter F Hamilton stuff.

Re:Wormholes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294793)

Ugh. That would mean the post-PC world will be covered in ENZYME-BONDED CONCRETE.

Ahh (2)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294247)

"If Windows 8 shifts in a form that people really want to buy the product, the company will have a great future"

This man is a visionary!!! Ridiculous.....

Influence on price of equipment to do real work? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294271)

Honestly I'm fine with the idea that someday my phone will be my main computer, and that I'll "dock" it to a keyboard and monitor at home. (As long as everything is constantly backed up to some cloud storage somewhere so when eventually I drop my phone or a jackass friend pushes me in a lake, I don't lose the past few days of work!)

But one thing I do wonder about is what this will do to the price of "real" workstation class equipment. Already, 4:3 monitors (which are much better for engineering work, spreadsheets, etc. -- think MATLAB, COMSOL Multiphysics, AutoCAD, SolidWorks, CST Microwave Studio...) are far more expensive than to 16:9 panels (which have the economies of scale from being the aspect ratio of broadcast TV). Even Dell's fantastic U2410 and U3011 LCD panels are 16:10, not 4:3.

So yeah. I'm fine with the day that most people's only computers will be a phone and a tablet, with a docking station for a mouse/keyboard/monitor. But for those of us that need more horsepower than a mobile processor can provide, it's not going to be good. Hopefully there'll still be enough gamers to subsidize the high-power graphics card and desktop processors so that technical people can afford them!

I don't care about aspect ratio, just pixels (1)

Chirs (87576) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294513)

As long as I can get at least 1200 pixels vertically, I'm good. I don't care if it's 1600 pixels wide or 1920. In fact, the added width is just fine. for putting taskbars, IM buddy lists, etc.

I would dearly love to have even more pixels though. A 24" or larger with the DPI of the ipad3 sounds pretty sweet.

Re:I don't care about aspect ratio, just pixels (1)

Sgs-Cruz (526085) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294647)

iPad 3 resolution = 264 ppi

On a 24" 16:10 monitor that's a resolution of 5376x3360, well above the capabilities of DisplayPort 1.2. Unfortunately! I would love a high-ppi screen. People always complain about how apps break, blah blah blah, get some high-ppi screens into the hands of vocal consumers and app makers will fix that shit right quick.

One Microsoft Way - never forget that (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294273)

I'm surprised Microsoft and Monsanto don't have sex together
-------
Written by Alphonse:

Microsoft Kinect Spy System

"So you just got the Kinect/Xbox360 gaming system and youâ(TM)re having fun, hanging out in your underwear, plopped down in your favorite lounge chair, and playing games with your buddies. Yeah, itâ(TM)s great to have a microphone and camera in your game system so you can âoeKinectâ to your pals while you play, but did you read that Terms of Service Agreement that came with your Kinect thingy? No? Here, let me point out an important part of that service agreement.

If you accept the agreement, you âoeexpressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft, our partners, or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the Service; or (c) act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.â

Did you catch that? Here, let me print the important part in really big letters.
âoeIf you accept the agreement, you expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications⦠on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.â

OK, is that clear enough for ya? When you use the Kinect system, you agree to allow Microsoft (and any branch of law enforcement or government they care to share information with) to use your Kinect system to spy on you. Maybe run that facial recognition software to check you out, listen to your conversations, and keep track of who you are communicating with.

I know this is probably old news to some, but I thought I would mention it because it pertains to almost all of these home game systems that are interactive. You have to remember, the camera and microphone contained in your game system has the ability to be hacked by anyone the game company gives that ability to, and that includes government snoops and law enforcement agents.

Hey, itâ(TM)s MICROSOFT. What did you expect?

And the same concerns apply to all interactive game systems. Just something to think about if youâ(TM)re having a âoeNaked Wii partyâ or doing something illegal while youâ(TM)re gaming with your buddies. Or maybe you say something suspicious and it triggers the DHS software to start tracking your every word. Hey, this is not paranoia. Itâ(TM)s spelled out for you, right there in that Service Agreement. Read it! Hereâ(TM)s one more part of the agreement you should be aware of.

âoeYou should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service.â

Did you catch it that time? YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANY LEVEL OF PRIVACY concerning your voice chat and video features on your Kinect box."

Re:One Microsoft Way - never forget that (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294797)

I'm surprised Microsoft and Monsanto don't have sex together

What makes you think they don't?

In a world of mere content consumers, maybe.... (2)

AzariahK (1990690) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294283)

In a world where there are no content creators, only consumers, sure. And maybe they hope for such a world. I've yet to write a book on my phone, though.

Re:In a world of mere content consumers, maybe.... (1)

schroedingers_hat (2449186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294605)

Well, once we get bills like SOPA and a few more copyright extensions, we won't need creators anymore. Just keep selling the old stuff, not like it'll go public domain or anything. :D

Re:In a world of mere content consumers, maybe.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294723)

http://www.webpronews.com/scrivener-coming-to-ipad-and-iphone-2011-12

Scrivener, which is a fantastic novel writing platform, is coming to iPad. Sure, I'll use a portable keyboard with it, but when I travel, I can leave the keyboard in my bag while I'm on the plane--it's amazingly difficult to use even a small computer on a coach seat because the keyboard gets in the way.

Also, the top 10 paid iPad apps include 5 games and a book, true, but also 4 content creation/modification programs (iPhoto, GarageBand, iMovie, and Pages).

The iPad is a capable computer at this point, and getting better with every release.

And when people reject Windows 8... (1)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294295)

What then happens to Microsoft?

Re:And when people reject Windows 8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294447)

Fire a VP, get to work on Windows 9, make something worth using again (and still price it high enough to make people uncertain about whether it's worth buying).

In short, same as last time.

Re:And when people reject Windows 8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294495)

They still make tons of money and move on to Windows 9, which makes them tons of money...repeat ad infinitum.

Next question?

Re:And when people reject Windows 8... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294497)

Then they eat sausage-flavored ice cream, the same as anyone in the infinitely malleable hypothetical universe you outlined.

Influence on price of equipment to do real work? (1)

Sgs-Cruz (526085) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294311)

Dammit, accidentally posted this as AC just now. Reposting as myself.

Honestly I'm fine with the idea that someday my phone will be my main computer, and that I'll "dock" it to a keyboard and monitor at home. (As long as everything is constantly backed up to some cloud storage somewhere so when eventually I drop my phone or a jackass friend pushes me in a lake, I don't lose the past few days of work!)

But one thing I do wonder about is what this will do to the price of "real" workstation class equipment. Already, 4:3 monitors (which are much better for engineering work, spreadsheets, etc. -- think MATLAB, COMSOL Multiphysics, AutoCAD, SolidWorks, CST Microwave Studio...) are far more expensive than to 16:9 panels (which have the economies of scale from being the aspect ratio of broadcast TV). Even Dell's fantastic U2410 and U3011 LCD panels are 16:10, not 4:3.

So yeah. I'm fine with the day that most people's only computers will be a phone and a tablet, with a docking station for a mouse/keyboard/monitor. But for those of us that need more horsepower than a mobile processor can provide, it's not going to be good. Hopefully there'll still be enough gamers to subsidize the high-power graphics card and desktop processors so that technical people can afford them!

If you really need a 4:3 monitor... (2, Insightful)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294369)

I'm sure there's a way for you to just not use the sides of a 16:9 panel.

If a 16:9 panel costs less than the 4:3 that would fit inside it, what does it matter?

Re:If you really need a 4:3 monitor... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294479)

The fact that it is SHORTER (has less pixels in a vertical direction) that a real 4:3 screen. For example, I have two screens on this machine I am typing on. One, the main one, is a 4:3 1600x1200 panel. The second one - which is rotated to portrait mode - is a 1680x1050. Notice that 1050 is less than 1200. That's why it is inferior for some work. For other work "short screen" (wide screen) is fine.

Re:If you really need a 4:3 monitor... (1)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294645)

1. Take a standard 1080p monitor and flip it to portrait mode.
2. Send a cheque for the amount you saved to me.
3. Profit!

Re:If you really need a 4:3 monitor... (3, Interesting)

nojayuk (567177) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294491)

Cinemas had curtains at the side of the screen that would move in and out when the projection ratio changed -- adverts used to be shown on 4:3 16mm film or 35mm slides but the main feature would be 2.35:1 or similar.

Perhaps someone could come up with a similar curtain-type device for 16:9 screens, USB-driven perhaps, for those folks who absolutely insist on looking at a 4:3 ratio screen. It lets them view HD Youtube content in full 16:9 proportions but when they're focussed on their golden-ratio spreadsheet and don't want distractions the curtains will slide over to block the extra pixels from their sight.

Re:If you really need a 4:3 monitor... (1)

Sgs-Cruz (526085) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294555)

What I want is (say) a 1920x1440 monitor (4:3 ratio). If I want to "mask" a 16:9 monitor to do that, I'll need it to be 2560x1440. One example of such a monitor is the Dell U2711, which is nearly $900!

I'll never shift completely to a screen keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294321)

I will never type on a screen keyboard, I can tell you that.

What dumb-speak sounds like: (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294331)

... our interests in general purpose computing — or desktop computing — starts to wane and people start doing the same things and more in other scenarios.

Isn't that just... not brilliant?

Re:What dumb-speak sounds like: (4, Insightful)

starcraftsicko (647070) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294373)

I seem to recall we saw this a while ago:
http://boingboing.net/2011/12/27/the-coming-war-on-general-purp.html [boingboing.net]
Odd to hear it so clearly from MS now.

Re:What dumb-speak sounds like: (1)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294439)

To be fair, Ray Ozzie left Microsoft late 2010. He is working on a start up now.

Stating the obvious (4, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294365)

Ray Ozzie has always been good at restating the obvious, and in people paying more attention to his statements than they warrant because of who he is (or was).

Microsoft is still the power player when it comes to PCs, but it has yet to figure out how to become more than an afterthought when it comes to the devices people are using more and more instead of PCs.

On a side note - I'd venture to suggest that the Slashdot crowd as a group hasn't really come to terms with this sea change that's occurring in the world at large. My tech friends - and myself as well - still use a computer more than any post-PC device, while my non-tech friends are mostly on their phones or iPads during their off-work hours.

Desktop hardware not going anywhere (1)

scharkalvin (72228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294393)

"PC" hardware isn't going anywhere. While many tasks will shift to smart phones and tablets the need for a full size keyboard isn't going away (at least not until computers can read your mind and do what you think for them to do). Desktop's are no longer mainstream for the masses, netbooks, notebooks, and laptops are, but workstations (desktops on steroids) will remain viable for cad applications. And then there are the servers and the gamers, power users that also require 'big iron'.
The ATX motherboard market may become a bit more consolidated with several motherboard companies going under, but I don't see the availability of them going away.

Re:Desktop hardware not going anywhere (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294563)

As some other commenters point out, there is definitely a need for a full-size keyboard but a dock and a keyboard will do the trick for many people. I would actually love to be able to dock my Android phone on a dock and use my keyboard and mouse. I'm looking forward to having something like a 7" tablet with some kind of high resolution, which I can dock and use on a large monitor reasonably well, maybe with a KVM switch. I think we're almost there, and I know there's plenty out there that are pretty good for that. With quad-core tablets, it seems the processing power is good enough for most casual uses. There will always be demand for high end machines, but not everyone who needs a full-sized keyboard at a desk needs a desktop PC.

Mobile Devices Games (1)

Grindalf (1089511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294397)

I've always been at the forefront of wearable computing. Mobile devices' games are very shoddy in comparison with PC games, and game platforms are a dead end - you lose the game next model up. Can you really ask your secretary to do touch typing on a tablet PC? I think these kids are in for a jolt when they try to force their strange fantasy on straightforward real users.

ugh (1)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294409)

It makes me fingers hurt to think about typing as much on a little glass screen as I do on a keyboard in a day. Sure, I could do it, but my tendons and eyes would hate me for it.

Re:ugh (1)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294445)

Also, as mentioned by Steve Jobs when asked about a touch screen laptop, it's very tiring and doesn't work. I the Apple Keyboard Dock for my iPhone / iPad (mainly for fast texting at home, I even impress the best of texters with my fast text message replies), but using the touch screen with the iDevice is a dock is tedious at best. Sure, the iPad is great for checking an email, or showing off things to customers, but it isn't a PC replacement. The iPhone is great for email on the go and the occasional random game, but trying to say that we're in a Post-PC world is like saying we're in a post pen and paper world because we have books.

Post PC world for newb users who carry no workload (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294425)

all these non-pc devices are for people who do not carry any real workload. No tablet or any other stupid ipod can handle a real workload. So lets put this subject into the Sheep-category which consists of newb looking @ facebook or other similar useless technologies.

Re:Post PC world for newb users who carry no workl (1)

atlasdropperofworlds (888683) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294625)

Don't worry. Traditional PCs are also growing in market share. What's remarkable is that it is considered a "mature" industry, and yet sales are still increasing. Most people agree with your sentiment, so don't pay attention to bloggers and the like: Those are a loud bunch who actually *can* do their work from a tablet. The rest of us just read those posts while working on our PCs, as usual.

Ozzie.. (1)

GigaBurglar (2465952) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294441)

"Ozzie also thinks Microsoft's future as a company is strongly tied to Windows 8's reception. 'If Windows 8 shifts in a form that people really want to buy the product, the company will have a great future" I really want to punch this guy. Nobody buys Windows out of choice; they buy it because, in most cases, it's the ONLY product people are aware of.

Re:Ozzie.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294529)

"Ozzie also thinks Microsoft's future as a company is strongly tied to Windows 8's reception. 'If Windows 8 shifts in a form that people really want to buy the product, the company will have a great future"

I really want to punch this guy. Nobody buys Windows out of choice; they buy it because, in most cases, it's the ONLY product people are aware of.

The same applies to Apple iDevices. They buy them, in most cases, because they are the ONLY devices people are aware of.

Re:Ozzie.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294739)

GRAAAGH, nerd-rage! No one can like what I don't like!

Headless (1)

deciduousness (755695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294459)

All I need is a box that can be accessed wirelessly and output to my TV.

Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294481)

Java arrived 15 years early.

Re:Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294577)

Java survived 15 years too long.

Good riddance... (1)

curious.corn (167387) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294517)

I wonder if it ever really HAD to be a PC world in the first place. In the '80 and before that, the imaginarium was abundant with wristwatch computers, tricoerders, speaking and sentient machines, robots...
It became a "PC world" the moment wintel's suffocating embrace made everyone believe in the "end of history". It didn't happen, they're just realizing that... the bozos

True meaning of "Post-PC World" (1)

Pollux (102520) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294521)

What these business men are saying without saying it is that there's nothing "new" they can come up with for the PC. It's established technology. Sure, the graphics keep getting better, the windows look shinier, and the processors keep getting faster (while the OS's get slower), but there's nothing new they can invent for the PC. It does what it's supposed to do, and we just don't expect it to do anything more.

The PC market is saturated. No one who doesn't have one will feel motivated to buy one anymore, because everyone who wants one already has one. Sure, PC owners will upgrade. They'll fix. The market for PC won't shrink, but it won't grow either.

Businessmen want new. New sells. But new has to be different. New and different sells, because new and different means that, even if someone already has a PC, they'll still spend MORE money on what's new and different. New and different means that there's a new revenue stream that businessmen can tap into. New and different means more profit. That's what businessmen want.

So, to motivate consumers to spend money on the iPad, they must be manipulated into thinking that the PC is new and different. We must believe that the PC is not enough. We must seek more than the PC. We must buy iPad. What better way to do that than to think the PC is going the way of the dodo bird?

They're fucked. (4, Insightful)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294583)

I've had a small epiphany.

I think the problem with Metro, is that I don't think that regular users think like Microsoft thinks they think.

nearly 30 years of GUI development and most everyone I know still uses full screen apps and a ridiculously cluttered desktop.

Don't get me wrong, I think on paper metro sounds amazing, especially with how apps interact with each other. Also on paper, iOS sounds completely fucking ridiculous, with just page after page of apps and no interaction.

However, what I find myself realizing is that metro isn't how people want to interact with computers. It doesn't offer any advantages over Windows Explorer. It's too high minded and over thought out.

It's going to bomb.

Badly.

Never understood the term "PC" (1)

baenpb (1343241) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294585)

It means "personal computer", right? Must it have a keyboard and a monitor? How does "PC" preclude Mac OS, tablets, smartphones? Those are much more "personal" than my windows desktop IMO. I'd say the PC world is booming, but certainly shifting towards tablets and smartphones.

Re:Never understood the term "PC" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294763)

Yep! It's just like this CLOUD nonsense.. what's the CLOUD? A server on the internet, what it's always been. But.. we have VIRTUALIZATION now!!! Holy shit, because our computers are powerful enough to run multiple copies of the OS at once.

It's all LINGO to SELL SELL SELL!

Seriously guys, fuck your cloud 9. The technocracy does not bite.

Re:Never understood the term "PC" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294765)

It refers to the IBM Personal Computer. Which was an actually product way back when. I'll also say that the last laptop I had that I enjoyed working on weighed 45 pounds had a 5" amber screen and ran cp/M4. Now get off my lawn you damn hippie kids.

Viral Bullshit - "Buy a Phone Ozzie and STFU!" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294631)

This is nothing but viral bullshit to get the retards to buy mobile phones.
A decade or two of this shit and it's bullshit laws there won't be real programmers anymore, just profit off our dead carcasses.

If the sheep-tards buy into this app store mentality, the hardware manufacturers will follow up, leaving the world with a bunch of crippled dogshit for hardware.

Notice the DOJ going after apple now?
WHat the fuck, medical cannabis, gibson guitars, milk farmers, apple, but these fucking oath breakers won't go after the cock sucking banksters and the officials who enabled their piece of shit asses.

Ozzie is a blathering idiot, but sheep-tards love those fuckin unicorn skittles
you want to live in 1984 bud, fuck off

Odd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294655)

I thought this guy may have been related to Ozzy Osbourne and that yes we are riding a in a "Post PC World" on A CRAZY TRAIN!!!

Maybe somebody should tell Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39294747)

Put Linux on tablets exclusively. Its been pretty much insignificant in the PC world.

Depends on what you mean by PC (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 2 years ago | (#39294807)

I started building S-100 bus computers, hand-soldering the boards in electronics shop, and using oscilliscopes to tune my floppy drives, literally adding transistors, capacitors, wires, clock units, batteries etc.

By that measure, a cell phone is a PC. So is your HDTV. So is your laptop. So is your tablet. So is your Desktop PC (which usually is under your desk, but used to be on top of it).

Nowadays the watch on your hand (does anyone except morons buy those anymore?) has more computing power than the old mainframes with magnetic core memory did.

The question is: should I be paying some Greedmeister a fortune (20 percent of the total unit cost) for an OS, like Microsoft, or should I just roll my own OS like China does where 95 percent of all Windows computers are pirated XP clones?

He's trying to cover up for that part. Just ignore him.

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