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Microsoft To Shut Down App Store For Windows Mobile

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the if-an-app-store-falls-in-the-forest dept.

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angry tapir writes "Microsoft will soon shut down the app store for Windows Mobile, the phone platform it is phasing out. Starting May 9, users of Windows Mobile phones won't be able to browse, buy or download apps to their phones from the Marketplace, Microsoft wrote in a letter to customers. The move doesn't affect users of Microsoft's new mobile OS, who will continue to be served by the Windows Phone Marketplace."

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Windows Mobile? (5, Funny)

BiggestPOS (139071) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300053)

I'm sure both users are going to be really upset.

Re:Windows Mobile? (5, Funny)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300065)

Well- I'm sure they wouldn't have done this before running it past Gates and Allen. So the two users are probably fine with it.

Re:Windows Mobile? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300091)

I still actually use Windows Phone 6.2 by HTC. It is actually really good phone and more open than any other phone platform, as you can run binaries for whatever source. Symbian used to be like this too, but it looks like everyone went the app store route in recent years.

Re:Windows Mobile? (5, Insightful)

mws1066 (1057218) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300115)

You can run unsigned code on Android. There's an option you can enable in the settings. Then you can just drop a .apk onto the device via USB, wifi, whatever, and install it manually.

Re:Windows Mobile? (2, Informative)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300641)

I don't think every Android device will let you side load especially AT&T.

Re:Windows Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300663)

That's why you don't use AT&T... they're crappy like that and not worth the money.

Re:Windows Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300783)

Actually if you don't purchase your device from AT&T you will be able to. You just have to buy your device outright, offline, or directly from the OEM. Then the option will exist on the device.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 2 years ago | (#39302025)

No you wont because you wouldn't have service here. Verizon has yet to build much here and their service is spotty. T-Mobile and Sprint aren't here at all.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300891)

I thought they changed their policies on newer devices. In any case, all you need is superoneclick to change that.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 2 years ago | (#39302181)

Well SuperOneClick might not do that. It doesn't work with HTC phones. There are other ways to root a phone. The point is, you shouldn't have to go to all of that trouble. I'm sure the newer devices have this unlocked now and they did change their policy but sometimes it takes a phone call to get that OTA that fixes that problem on older phones. They will tell you that you are not near a tower when you have line of sight to one and explain to them where the tower is that you are operating from. That was a pretty long conversation. Like you will have to call them again like if you do a factory data reset to update your software. It's annoying. AT&T should have not done this from the start.

Re:Windows Mobile? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301159)

At&t doesn't lock them down lake that any more. On my latest phone, a galaxy 2S skyrocket, it's just a matter of enabling it in the settings.

Re:Windows Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301475)

Amazon used it's clout to get them to change this policy.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301981)

I think so, but I don't know which phones do this and which don't. At first it was like 3 phones and one tablet while the rest wouldn't allow side loading. They also have blocked wireless tether because they want to charge you extra for different data. The only reason I'm still with them, is they are the only carrier to have my area covered for the most part from all of those out in the country Alltel lines they ended up with when Verizon bought Alltel which I would rather have but I think they have no problems side loading but maybe do with tethering without charging extra for that. I've heard T-mobile doesn't do this but Sprint and T-mobile are rare outside of a good sized town.

Re:Windows Mobile? (2)

MobyTurbo (537363) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300675)

You can run unsigned code on Android. There's an option you can enable in the settings. Then you can just drop a .apk onto the device via USB, wifi, whatever, and install it manually.

You can download CAB files, or use special EXE files, to install stuff outside of Microsoft's app store on Windows Mobile too.No option enabling required. In fact, before they made their app store, that was the only way to do it. The best app store for winmo is Omarket anyway, which offers tons of freeware for download instead of the expensive (especially in MS's store) winmo commercial apps.

Re:Windows Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301077)

You can run unsigned code on Android. There's an option you can enable in the settings. Then you can just drop a .apk onto the device via USB, wifi, whatever, and install it manually.

Not on the Nook tablet once it's upgraded to the latest B&N software.

You also can't see "your" purchased books as files anymore.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301277)

Saying you can't do something on the Nook Tablet has very little to do with being able to do things on Android. You basically get a sandbox to play in with a Barnes and Noble logo on it inside of the Android park with a Nook

Re:Windows Mobile? (2)

hoborg1 (1977356) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301323)

You can if you install any other android os to your sd card. Sd is set to boot first. You can do whatever the hell you want with Cyanogen mod on your nook.

Why is he at -1? He is correct. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300871)

I have a lot of GPL'ed software on my WM 6.1 phone. In fact, all phone software I downloaded except Opera is GPL'ed.

Sad to say, Windows Mobile 6.x is the only game in town if you are interested in anything remotely related to software freedom.

How better than Android? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301339)

True, Windows Mobile 6 supports free software better than iOS and Windows Phone 7. But how better than Android? Under Android, as I understand it, the core OS is free, and only the hardware drivers and the Gapps are non-free. None of this is free on Windows Mobile 6.

Re:Why is he at -1? He is correct. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301589)

Why not Meego? It is more open than Android and like WM it suffers from the problem of its creators having abandoned it, but unlike WM it has actual source code to core components in an open license.

I have an N900 which I don't use very much these days, but it's by far the most open phone I've ever used. I've heard stories about N9 being much more buggy.

Re:Windows Mobile? (0)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300141)

Well, I can't speak for the other one, but I won't miss it much. If anything, it was an atrocity that caused vendor lock-in and made it impossible to find some programs available elsewhere even from the authors' websites.

Can still get plenty of Windows Mobile software from other websites, and new software continues to be made despite the platform's waning presence on the market.

I do enjoy my Android, but there's plenty about Windows Mobile that I miss. inb4 jokes about crashes: haven't had one on my WM(5). On the other hand, the Launcher process on my Android sure likes crashing a lot. At least it restores itself automatically, I suppose.

Re:Windows Mobile? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300327)

If the launcher process on your Android keeps crashing you should take it back. Android apps crash less than iPhone apps so if yours is having issues its because your phone is fucked up. Citation for trolls [forbes.com]

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300897)

Well it's not so much the phone (in terms of hardware) as it is the Launcher - it's not the stock Android one but some HTC custom thing. I haven't gotten around to putting CyanogenMod on it yet to get the stock one on there. Then again, quick Google search points out that it's not devoid of crashes. I suppose it might be a widget that's actually interfering - but then I've never had a Today item on WM cause its parent process to crash.

off-topic: apparently we can't have any dissenting voices essentially pointing out that for WM you didn't need an (official) app store - much like Android, although a recent news item pointed out already that Google would like a firmer grip there - and that there were aspects of WM that one can actually think were desirable.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300997)

Rosy crashes and reloads when you run it out of memory. What I really want in an Android phone isn't quad core it's 2GB of memory.

Back on topic this kind of sucks since WM6.5 is the only platform that you can completely manage using ActiveSync so I'm sure there are some organizations still using it.

Re:Windows Mobile? (2)

awshidahak (1282256) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301015)

I haven't gotten around to putting CyanogenMod on it yet to get the stock [launcher] on there

Actually, CM uses ADW for it's defualt launcher, which also crashes from time to time.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

techsimian (2555762) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301919)

At that point it's more about hardware specific issues. I'm still blown away by how many devices they support. There should be a tax on the AT&T's of this world to fund the CM team. It's sad but I bet the paper-clip budget for Nokia is many multiples of CM's entire expenditures to date.

Re:Windows Mobile? (-1, Troll)

sensationull (889870) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300195)

Fuckers, I am upset, I don't know about the other guy :)

The phone is still good though and still does 90% of what phones 3 years newer do. On the plus side it does not actually need an app store as you can just get apps from anywhere but the supply of new apps is dwindling fast.

Still I refuse to get an iPhone and I am no fan of Windows 3.1 (Android interface). I may just wait till W8 phones show up as I don't trust them to upgrade the WP7 devices to Apollo.

Re:Windows Mobile? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300369)

I am no fan of Windows 3.1 (Android interface).

What does that even mean? This is actually the second time I've seen this reference made in the last two days, and it is legitimately bothering me, in a "if it wasn't for my horse I never would have spent that year in college" kind of way. I'm literally staring at my phone right now trying to make the connection, and I just can't find it.

Re:Windows Mobile? (4, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300405)

It means they want to disparage Android in some way, but can't do it on the basis of sales since it's infinitely more successful then Windows Phone (and Windows Mobile for that matter, but unlike WP7 Windows Mobile was actually relevant in the market at one time).

Re:Windows Mobile? (2, Informative)

sensationull (889870) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300463)

Stacks of the UI just remind me of it unless you have some vendor skin on top of it. The icons on the home screen are just like the old program manager and it has distinctly a 3.1esk look in some places almost 16bitish in some ways.

I know there are lots of differences but I just can't shake the 3.1 feel that it gives me.

That and the buy top of the line or deal with aweful performance issues that many of the handsets have without needing to kill the default firmware to optimise for low ram/get rid of vendor filth.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

MrManny (1026106) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301157)

While I agree with your vendor filth statement, I can only agree to disagree on the UI part. Granted, my Samsung Galaxy S2 could look better. It's not that bad though, and the experience could be easily enhanced with the several launchers available on the Android market for you.

On the other hand, I just recently got my Kindle Fire and decided to throw one of the several Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4) ROMs on it. I am very pleased with the new UI, maybe you should give it a try. No need to buy a device though, the Android emulator that comes with the SDK illustrates this perfectly well.

Re:Windows Mobile? (0)

YourMotherFucker (2587859) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301203)

Stacks of the UI just remind me of it unless you have some vendor skin on top of it. The icons on the home screen are just like the old program manager and it has distinctly a 3.1esk look in some places almost 16bitish in some ways.

If you hate the productivity provided by actually being able to launch your preferred apps quickly then remove every single icon from your home screen and replace them with widgets. Or nothing at all. It takes less than a minute to do and I'm sure that's not too much of a burden since you will likely keep your phone for at least a year.

I have a galaxy nexus and saying that anything on the interface looks "16bitish" in any way is pure lies.

I know there are lots of differences but I just can't shake the 3.1 feel that it gives me.

Have you ever considered the possibility that you're just an idiot? Because it has definitely occurred to me that you are probably the dumbest motherfucker on Slashdot today.

That and the buy top of the line or deal with aweful performance issues that many of the handsets have without needing to kill the default firmware to optimise for low ram/get rid of vendor filth.

There are tons of middle of the road android handsets with 512 MB of RAM that are next to free on contract that perform very well. You are either a shill or you are a completely ignorant dumbass on here spreading FUD. Please remove your head from your ass.

Re:Windows Mobile? (0, Offtopic)

sensationull (889870) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300505)

Hmmm, moded down for an opinion and a spot of MS bashing, this is the 'new' slashdot.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300541)

Hmmm, moded down for an opinion and a spot of MS bashing, this is the 'new' slashdot.

Yes, now if you want to get modded up for bashing anybody, it's gotta be Apple or Sony. Everyone seems to have forgiven Microsoft.

Forgiving Microsoft (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301801)

Microsoft is forgivable for several reasons:
  • Windows 7 is a distinct improvement in security and stability over Windows 98 and Windows XP for a couple reasons. First, Microsoft ditched the mentality of running as administrator all the time. Second, Microsoft has been moving more device drivers into user space and pushing peripheral makers harder to improve their remaining kernel-mode drivers.
  • Microsoft's IE team has made more of an effort to keep up with the free web browsers in implementing useful HTML DOM features.
  • Microsoft makes the only video game console for which individuals can develop games. Sony promised this, delivered to an extent, and later took it away in a firmware update. Nintendo is still vehemently opposed.

Re:Windows Mobile? (0)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301377)

Pretty much any more. Bash ANY tech company, no matter how bad that company is (my favorite bogeyman is Sony but I'm no MS fan either) and someone will mod it troll or flamebait. Lots of MS and Sony fans (and Apple and every other tech company) and employees consider any negative opinion of their employer, their income source a threat. Of course they're going to mod you down.

It doesn't matter if you get twenty upmods for every downmod and have great karma, except of course the annoyance of taking the time and effort to make a relevant post expressing your valid opinion, only to have it modded to invisibility and your efforts wasted.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301515)

Wow, that really is egregious... posting anon because I tried to rescue your post, though it was instantly buried again. Good luck, sir, as you face the combined wrath of many alts: pro-Apple, pro-Android, pro-Win3.1, anti-WP7, and anti-WP8. Not to mention the prudes who can't stand to see the word "fuck".

Re:Windows Mobile? (2)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300857)

I'm so glad I only buy things with the 'Plays For Sure' badge.

Re:Windows Mobile vs 'Plays For Sure' (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301403)

Exactly.

MS has given me the impression that *none* of their consumer offerings are worth bothering with, because what was praised elsewhere as "MS kills dead products quick" is "MS first overhypes products that later get dumped, stranding users."

The question is what will become of the whole Metro thing. From this far back it feels like Vista II, but then I felt that way in 1995 about Microsoft Internet Explorer, and even Windows itself in 1994.

Re:Windows Mobile? (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301349)

Yeah you THINK its funny, but we are about to get a ring side seat for the biggest trainwreck since....hell i can't even think of a trainwreck that big. Its gonna finally put those MS Bob and WinME jokes to rest, let me put it that way. I mean have you TRIED metro? Its a fricking smart phone UI that MSFT expects users to run on a fricking non touch enabled desktop! Even the Yahoo product shill who answers everything with "Buy it now! you should really buy it! Seriously buy it now!" after trying it said 'Uhhhh...you should probably wait until you have something touch enabled and get it then" which for her is "My eyes! the goggles they do nothing!" and all because every single mobile attempt by MSFT has been a disaster. I mean for the love of God they are gonna have Windows 8 on ARM! You are gonna have a version of Windows that won't actually run Windows programs! Do you have ANY idea how massive the returns on all those "Windows tablets" is gonna be?

I think this just proves what I've been saying for ages, Ballmer is a shitty CEO that has zero common sense, much less vision, and that the mobile division should have been spun off so they wouldn't be held back by the lumbering PHB dominated desktop division as it would have protected them both from that dreaded buzzword "synergy". I mean his whole damned plan hinges on developers being so damned stupid they'll waste their time developing Metro apps just so they'll have something to sell on the WinARM app store! When we all know that for anything more complex than a fart app you're gonna have to write two versions, one for x86 and one for ARM as those two platforms are as different as night and day when it comes to IPC and memory constraints. And all so Ballmer can go "and with this we'll FINALLY get a big chunk of the pie now owned by Apple and Google and we'll be as sexy and hip as they are! yes we will! We really really will! STOP LAUGHING AT ME!"

Allow me to end with this heartfelt apology to the Appleites: Remember when we all laughed our asses off when you were stuck with the Pepsi CEO, you know, the one that went from one lame idea to another, with just this big sprawling mess of fail? yeah well..I'm sorry alright? Jokes over, ha ha...its not funny anymore! Hey fairs fair, you got Jobs back, can we have Bill back please? The sweaty monkey has gone crazy!

Re:Windows Mobile? (0)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301979)

But this story is about the Mobile store for phone apps, right? So in this case, the Metro UI should theoretically be fine, since it's the phone we're talking about. So the other factors about why Windows Phone 8 is better should kick in. Namely none that I can think of.

Question I have RTFA is this - will current owners of Windows phones, such as Nokia Lumia 7xx and 8xx be able to upgrade the OS on their phones from 6 or 7 to 8 for free w/o changing their phones? If the answer is yes, then it's not a big deal. But if the answer is no, they've just figured out yet a new way of pissing off their existing phone customers, who in this case are pretty loyal. Unlike in the case of PCs, where everyone gets Windows by default unless they buy Macs or specifically ask for Windows not to be pre-installed so that they can run Linux, here, customers already have the choices of Android and iOS, in addition to the one from RIMM. Yet they bought Windows Mobile phones. So anyone who does have a phone that runs Windows Mobile is someone Microsoft should be thankful to, for actually preferring them when there are viable alternatives available.

Aside from that, I'm not seeing why phone makers would want to make Windows Phone 8 phones if they already offer phones w/ Android or WebOS or anything else. As you pointed out, it's not like they can run their existing Windows apps. The only place where I see Windows 8 make sense is for tablets based on Fusion or Medfield - ones which actually might be able to run Windows binaries if any way could be devised to install the app on such a tablet from a PC by connecting it to a USB cable and treating the tablets SSD as a hard drive. Other than that, I just don't see Windows 8 clicking as a desktop OS (which will now be more confusing since you will have both ARM and x64 based PCs. Apple at least made fat binaries in their software distributions, so that regardless of whether one was using a Power Mac or an x64 Mac, there was no doubting that an app would install and run. But here, MS went to pains to explain that ARM apps would only be available on app stores, not CDs, while x64 apps would presumably still be available on CDs. I understand the difference, but will the average Suzie understand it?

If the point in time comes where Windows 8 gets released and actually becomes the fiasco you are predicting, MS is dead - even Bill won't be able to resurrect it. After all, the Windows brand - which has been the only reason that the Intel x86 CISC platform - a pretty mediocre microprocessor architecture compared to most others - has survived viable challenges from every one of those rival platforms - would have been trashed beyond repair - there would be no way for lay people to tell whether a particular version of Windows runs Windows programs or not. Once that aura about Windows is destroyed, I'll predict that all 3 of the markets - the PCs, tablets and phones - will be split largely b/w Google and Apple, w/ others like WebOS, RIM making up the remainder. I know it's hard to comprehend, but for MS, it'll pretty much be over - regardless of whether Ballmer stays or goes.

Re:Windows Mobile? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301401)

As one of the last holdouts of Windows Mobile 6.5, this bothers me greatly. It means that the next time I do a Factory reset on my HTC Touch Pro2, I won't be able to reinstall the free Office 2010 upgrade without purchasing the binaries from some other marketplace. Similarly, if I want to reinstall any of the products I purchased from them, I will have to repurchase the binaries from some other marketplace. It's not like I am trying to hang onto a Windows 95 machine and can't find web sites which work with Internet Explorer 5.5 anymore... This was the top-of-the-line Windows Mobile 6.5 phone just 3 years ago (or less). So would a new Windows Phone 7 Series be obsolete when Win8 mobile comes out this year? Personally, I'll never find out.

Now if they would send all of your previous purchases on CD or something, that would be fine. I know how to install apps without a store front-end.

Re:Windows Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301619)

Funny - I say the same thing whenever I hear any bad desktop Linux news.

It's a Shame (0)

phrostie (121428) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300087)

Someone couldn't set up an alternative app store like Cydia.

oh well, back to my Droid

Re:It's a Shame (2)

ulricr (2486278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300179)

there are many windows mobile app stores, you can install apps from any source from the phone

Re:It's a Shame (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301353)

there are many windows mobile app stores, you can install apps from any source from the phone

That helps. Otherwise I'd credit it as the No. 1 reason not to buy anything Microsoft ever rolls out -- support going whenever they decide it's time. But they, and pretty much everyone else has done that for years. Best reason, still, to be very circumspect about Windows 8 phones.

There was an app store for WinMo? (5, Interesting)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300143)

Holy crap, I used WinMo for years and never knew. WTF?

Re:There was an app store for WinMo? (0)

zephvark (1812804) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300515)

Ya, I never heard of the mobile app store either. Score another amazing triumph for the Microsoft marketing department?

The fact that it's being closed down kinda makes me leery of using any future Microsoft app store, though. The whole marketplace goes away at Microsoft's whim? Why would they do that?

Reminds me of the old Microsoft "PlaysForSure" music store, or whatever it was called. None of those play at all any more, of course, Microsoft abandoned the format.

Re:There was an app store for WinMo? (2)

awshidahak (1282256) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301065)

The fact that it's being closed down kinda makes me leery of using any future Microsoft app store, though. The whole marketplace goes away at Microsoft's whim? Why would they do that?

Yeah, for a short while they had a marketplace for Vista that had all sorts of goodies in it, firefox, gimp even, and it got whut down after less than a year too IIRC.

Re:There was an app store for WinMo? (0)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301717)

Reminds me of the old Microsoft "PlaysForSure" music store, or whatever it was called. None of those play at all any more, of course, Microsoft abandoned the format.

Well, anyone with half a brain knew it was a scam. MP3s and oggs play for sure, as does any non-DRM content. DRM always means "plays for a limited time, if you're lucky."

Re:There was an app store for WinMo? (2)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300645)

It was just being introduced when Android was getting big, back in mid to late 2009 IIRC.

Re:There was an app store for WinMo? (1)

zrbyte (1666979) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300673)

My thoughts exactly. I repaced my WinMo phone just last december. Would have loved an app store, had I known about it :p

Re:There was an app store for WinMo? (0)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301197)

It was introduced in response to Apple's huge success with their iPhone App Store. Too late really, was an attempt to keep their Phone OS at least somewhat viable until they managed to release their new "competitive" phone OS..

Re:There was an app store for WinMo? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301299)

Probably because you didn't need the three or four apps that were in there.

Still late to the game (5, Insightful)

mws1066 (1057218) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300153)

The real question is how successful M$'s next app store/phone offering can possible become. Google and Apple are quite extensively entrenched in the market - Microsoft has its work cut out for it. They are VERY late to the game. I think the only place their phones likely will excel is in corporate settings, becoming kind of the new Blackberries. iPhones aren't corporate enough, Android phones aren't supported enough for corporate cronies to like them, so they COULD possibly fill that particular niche.

Re:Still late to the game (2)

fast turtle (1118037) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300325)

Don't forget that Win8 has access to the same app store that WP8 uses. From what I've seen Ms is trying to consolidate WiMo/WP7 and all versions into one code base called Windows8 with the metro interface being the default for phones/tablets

Re:Still late to the game (1)

SadButTrue (848439) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300685)

As far as I know there have been exactly zero details about WP8 released. Although it is certainly reasonable to believe that MS wants to consolidate their markets it isn't clear that enough can be stripped from Win7/8 to make it work on phone hardware. And, it is a near certainty that no force on earth can push win7/8 down to the new 256MB ram devices that were just announced for the "tango" version of wp7.

It also begs the question what will happen to the existing silverlight based wp7 apps. Win8 "metro" apps are, as far as I know. written against the new WinRT APIs. Even if the migration is quite easy it isn't clear that an app written for the desktop will work on the very limited resources of existing WP7 devices.

Re:Still late to the game (4, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301069)

Nope, we know that WP8 will be based on the W8 ARM kernel and will run Metro apps, see here [arstechnica.com] .

Re:Still late to the game (1)

SadButTrue (848439) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301371)

Thanks, not sure how I missed that.

BTW, I would swap ballot and soap so that they are in order of effort.

Re:Still late to the game (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301057)

Are you from the future because last I checked Windows 8 is still in preview and windows phone 8 hasn't been seen at all in the wild yet you're talking about this like it's after the fact.

Re:Still late to the game (2)

semi-extrinsic (1997002) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300351)

In my experience, both iPhones and and Android phones are being used in corporate settings. Both have decent Exchange-support, and reasonable enough security policies to go along with it. I know one large company here still clinging to Windows Mobile 6, but rumor has it they are slowly moving to Android instead. So I don't think the "corporate niche" exists for MS to fill; at the very least it is not big enough to make WP7/8/whatever sustainable.

Re:Still late to the game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300717)

In my experience, both iPhones and and Android phones are being used in corporate settings. Both have decent Exchange-support, and reasonable enough security policies to go along with it. I know one large company here still clinging to Windows Mobile 6, but rumor has it they are slowly moving to Android instead. So I don't think the "corporate niche" exists for MS to fill; at the very least it is not big enough to make WP7/8/whatever sustainable.

Not sure all corporations would agree that a phone/company that actively misrepresented what security it supported [cio.com] to the server to get connection is "reasonable enough security policies".

Re:Still late to the game (2)

DogDude (805747) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301235)

I found that the iPhones and Android phones don't do Exchange well enough (for me, at least). And, of course, there's the thing with trusting your data with Apple or Google, which I don't.

Re:Still late to the game (1)

LDAPMAN (930041) | more than 2 years ago | (#39302065)

I'm not sure about Google but Apple does not have access to your data. The phone talks direct to the Exchange server.

Re:Still late to the game (2)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300451)

Maybe. Or maybe the negative reputation that Windows 8 is getting in the corporate world for the asstacular new desktop UI will cause decision makers to also shun it on tablets, particularly since x86 tablets won't have very good battery life and ARM based Windows 8 tablets can't join Active Directory domains anyway (nullifying one of the advantages).

I don't see how it can take off as a corporate tablet OS at the same time as it's being shunned as a corporate desktop OS, and you're NOT going to see significant deployment of it in the corporate world over Windows 7 for a very long time (if ever).

Re:Still late to the game (1)

FreonTrip (694097) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300809)

Don't forget: as of the current preview build of Windows 8, you also can't add tablets to a domain. So they're REALLY shooting themselves in the foot by assuming that tablets are only consumer-level devices that will never find a footing in business.

Re:Still late to the game (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301149)

particularly since x86 tablets won't have very good battery life

Why do you say that? The specs for Ivy Bridges based ultrabooks are 10+ hours so I'm not sure how removing the keyboard to produce a tablet would make it any worse.

Re:Still late to the game (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301543)

Generally Intel x86 processors have at least an order of magnitude higher power consumption than Atom which has an order magnitude higher than ARM. Atom is getting better but still has some work. The current Sandy Bridge ultrabook Core i5 series has TDP listed at 17W which is good for that category but Intel Atom's lowest is 3.5W. The TDP for a Apple's A5 is 0.5W as a comparison. How manufacturers get more battery life is by putting in more powerful (bigger) batteries in ultrabooks.

Using the Apple as an example as they have the most well known ultrabooks and tablets, MacBook Air 13 uses the listed battery at 54 or 55 Wh (some places list one or the other). The iPad 2 by comparison uses a 25 Wh battery. The new iPad will use a 42.5 Wh. I suspect the massive battery increase of the iPad is due to the new screens.

Re:Still late to the game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301757)

I don't think you know what "order of magnitude" means chief.

Re:Still late to the game (1)

chrissigler (1930758) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300649)

The real question is how successful M$'s next app store/phone offering can possible become. Google and Apple are quite extensively entrenched in the market - Microsoft has its work cut out for it. They are VERY late to the game.

You know, I somehow feel like I recall people saying how Apple owned the "app" market when Android was first gaining speed. Now, you could arguably point out various places where Apple still edges out Google with regards to apps, but we can now safely refer to them both as "extensively entrenched" and not think twice.

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft continues to flounder in their efforts, but it's not because someone else has a corner on the market.

Google proved that if you have a decent product, a decent business strategy, and a whole lotta money, you can successfully enter this field.

Microsoft has the money. Their modern mobile products aren't horrendous, though I still have yet to see one "in the wild" (devs don't count). Can they come up with a decent business strategy? We'll see. Here's a hint: mobile != office.

A bit off topic (4, Insightful)

Gazzonyx (982402) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300775)

A bit off topic, but please stop referring to Microsoft as "M$". It looks really childish and makes people think you're a troll.

Re:A bit off topic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300827)

Still off topic, but please stop being a mindless shill for Microsoft. It looks really silly and makes people think you're a moron.

Re:A bit off topic (4, Insightful)

Gazzonyx (982402) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300947)

I run Linux. I'm the president of my local LUG. I have patches in Samba. Just because I think that saying "M$" looks childish doesn't make me a shill.

10 LET M$ = "Microsoft": REM subject length limit (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39302135)

A bit off topic, but please stop referring to Microsoft as "M$".

In comment bodies, I agree. But in comment subjects, it saves seven characters, especially seeing as M$ looks like it'd be the name of a string variable in the BASIC interpreters that Microsoft published as its first products.

Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300191)

That's not fair.

Windows Mobile != Windows Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39300313)

Just to make that clear.

forced user (0)

spectrokid (660550) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300403)

PHB shoved a HTC down my throat. Worst piece of crap ever. You would think the only thing they would get right is the sync with Windows, right? Nope. You couldn't even sent an SMS from your desktop through USB or bluetooth. Talk about feeling stupid sitting next to a full keyboard and screen, fumbling with the small keys on your mobile. Anyone knows if they got that right in the new OS?

Re:forced user (5, Funny)

rootnl (644552) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300507)

After passing the problem through marketing, designers and handing it over to the project manager, who in return ordered a project leader, I can confirm your problem is solved. You will now be able to use the keyboard on your mobile to enter text on your computer.

M$ Fails, America wins! (1, Insightful)

poormanjoe (889634) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300433)

I've spent the last 10 years (since being found guilty of monopoly) avoiding the M$ tax, why would I start sending them money now just because "smart phones" are the current business model?

Re:M$ Fails, America wins! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301631)

I've spent the last 10 years (since being found guilty of monopoly) avoiding the M$ tax, why would I start sending them money now just because "smart phones" are the current business model?

So you now prefer to pay the Apple tax or what?

I want to be retired when I grow up.

Yep, but it will still take some time...

Wasn't that useful anyway (2)

Mithent (2515236) | more than 2 years ago | (#39300517)

Even when I used a Windows Mobile phone, I barely ever used Marketplace. It seemed to be rather empty, and was too little, too late for app distribution on that platform.

I think the last sentence should read... (5, Insightful)

jrumney (197329) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301031)

The move doesn't affect users of Microsoft's new mobile OS, who will continue to be served by the Windows Phone Marketplace."

Translation:

The move should serve as a warning to customers considering purchasing a Windows Phone 7 phone about future support prospects, with the impending release of Windows 8 based phones.

Just one more way of many that Microsoft/Nokia have screwed up their marketing message

Re:I think the last sentence should read... (4, Interesting)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301319)

> The move should serve as a warning to customers

...and developers.

Re:I think the last sentence should read... (1)

HideyoshiJP (1392619) | more than 2 years ago | (#39301933)

In all fairness, Windows Phone 8 *should* be a very different situation, as it's still of the same lineage as Windows Phone 7. Windows Mobile, however, is a different product, despite having an older version of the same kernel (CE). It does set an unfortunate precedent, however. I don't think it would be very difficult or costly to leave all those older Windows Mobile Marketplace servers sitting on one dusty old box in the corner for your legacy users, even if you disabled new purchases...

It was nice while it lasted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39301529)

Awesome I just dumped my old WinMo 6.53 touchpro2 for a galaxy note last Sunday; exquisite timing. I believe they had stopped accepting new apps into it some moths or more ago. There are still some things I liked about winmo that android and my awesome new note don't have out of box; found apps to fix most of it though.

I read that as (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39302045)

Starting May, 9 users of Windows Mobile phones won't be able to browse, buy or download apps to their phones from the Marketplace

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