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Last Chance To Stop SOPA From Coming To Canada

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the pretend-stopping-it-will-make-the-leafs-and-the-habs-win dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "This weekend may be the last chance for Canadians to fight back against SOPA-style laws being added to Canadian copyright law, with the final hearing scheduled for Monday. In recent days, the copyright lobby has demanded website blocking, warrantless access to subscriber information, and unlimited damage awards. Michael Geist has the details on who to contact and Open Media has launched a campaign to encourage Canadians to speak out before Monday's Bill C-11 meeting. The group makes it easy to speak out against SOPA style reforms, harms to fair dealing, and unduly restrictive digital lock rules."

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hahaha (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303195)

Hahaha. Burn in hell. Canadians = fags.

Eh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303221)

It's Canada.

Re:Eh (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303273)

First, they came for the Canadians, but I did not speak up because I am not Canadian...

Re:Eh (-1, Troll)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303287)

Then they came for the freetards and I still didn't care.

Re:Eh (5, Insightful)

billcopc (196330) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304239)

It will be fun when our Amerifag P.M. says "hey BushBamaRomney our prisons are generating record profits thanks to SOPA", and this whole mess gets re-shoved down American citizens' throats, only this time without a last-minute reversal.

See, the funny thing about Canada is our fascist assclown of a fraudulently-elected leader likes to think of us as a beta 51st state. Whatever works here will serve as a case study for the U.S. administration, so your fascist assclowns can go live with the new and improved version of NeoConOS 2.0. Just as we carefully observe U.S. politics, you should be monitoring Canadian politics because they are very closely related on an ideological level.

2.0 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305297)

It will be fun when our Amerifag P.M. says "hey BushBamaRomney our prisons are generating record profits thanks to SOPA", and this whole mess gets re-shoved down American citizens' throats, only this time without a last-minute reversal.

See, the funny thing about Canada is our fascist assclown of a fraudulently-elected leader likes to think of us as a beta 51st state. Whatever works here will serve as a case study for the U.S. administration, so your fascist assclowns can go live with the new and improved version of NeoConOS 2.0. Just as we carefully observe U.S. politics, you should be monitoring Canadian politics because they are very closely related on an ideological level.

+100 from a fellow former Canadian, like you, currently a political prisoner in Harperstan and who is quite seriously contemplating getting the fuck off the continent of his birth because it is turning into pure evil.

Harper and his gang of brain-dead fat fuck fascist wooden puppets are mindless neocon robots and enemies of all that is Canada. They are directed by multinational corporate (mostly u.s.) interests and are operating in Canada in order to liberate Canada of all its resources and wealth and destroy all that was good about Canada. They are the GW Bush Hunta 2.0 and the harper invasion is the new version of the Iraq war. Only this time, their invasion has been covert (however, less so every day), not overt.

The harper government is one big evil crime syndicate. They must all be wiped out of existence as soon as possible and then the damage undone, which will take decades.

Re:2.0 (1)

Ltap (1572175) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310175)

Where would you go?

Re:Eh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304483)

No, first they came for the Americans, and I did speak up because I am an American. Now they're coming for the Canadians, and I don't really care. Sorry.

Re:Eh (1)

Archenoth (2592069) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304775)

Actually, first they came for the Americans with SOPA... And I spoke up for them, but I am not American. Why don't you help us like we helped you?

Re:Eh (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 2 years ago | (#39306745)

Because our leaders didn't care about your complaints any more than your leaders will care about ours. Our leaders only cared that Google said YouTube might have to shut down if the law was passed, and that their constituents would burn down Washington D.C. if they couldn't get their videos of cats playing ping-pong.

Re:Eh (2)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | more than 2 years ago | (#39306337)

you laugh now, but wait until the RIAA takes another stab at it and says "every other country in the world already has laws like these"

Re:Eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39307531)

I urge every person living in Canada to write to their ISP and ask that their ISP oppose Bill C-11.

I have already written to mine to let them know that, as a customer, I expect them to defend my interests and if they won't, I will take my business to an ISP who cares.

Even if you are with one of the smaller ISPs, write to them, it will help.
First, "80% of Canadian ISPs oppose Bill C-11" sounds better than "Bell and Rogers oppose Bill C-11".
Second, some small ISPs will likely take this opportunity to oppose Bill C-11 in an attempt to get good PR and attract subscribers. This will encourage the larger ISPs to oppose Bill C-11 too in order to keep their customers.

If you don't know what to write, here's is my suggestion for a few paragraphs:

- Briefly describe Bill C-11 (mention some of the issues with the bill)
- Explain why you are personally opposed to the bill
- Ask if your ISP opposes the bill and what it does to oppose it
- Say that as a customer, you expect your ISP to defend your interests (you can add that you will change ISPs if yours doesn't oppose Bill C-11)
- Add a short closing statement "I hope you will stand against Bill C-11", "I trust you will defend your customers against this bill", etc.

Be polite (being aggressive won't help), check your spelling and typing mistakes the best you can, add some courtesy formulas to sound professional ("Dear ISP", "Best regards", etc.) and you're set to go!

Ah, you think you can stop it! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303277)

That's so cute, you believe you are part of the political process, and that the elected aristocrats actually have a reason to answer to you.

Nope, not even in Canada.

Where are they? (1)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303545)

Where is/are ANONYMOUS when we need him/her/them?!? A little technological pressure could help...

Re:Where are they? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303653)

In jail. In the USA.

Next question?

Re:Where are they? (2)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303959)

I don't believe "Anonymous" was only 2 people... (the one who got caught and the one who sold him).

Re:Where are they? (2)

nman64 (912054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303677)

Or, some foolish script kiddies costing businesses money could fuel the arguments for more government regulation, control and interference. Legislators, lobbyists, CEOs and others of that ilk do not see Anonymous as crusaders of freedom representing the public's interests, but rather as obnoxious criminals pushing their own agenda.

Re:Where are they? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303765)

Sorry, thought you were talking about the politicians, but then I noticed the script kiddies...

Re:Where are they? (1)

Urban Nightmare (147344) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304473)

That's funny because most citizens thing the corporations are obnoxious criminals pushing their own agenda.

Everyone has an agenda. Everyone is a criminal if you pass enough laws.

Even http://noagendashow.com/ [noagendashow.com]

Re:Where are they? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39306571)

Exactly the point of all this. Once they have enough laws in place they don't need warrants, due process and all that other rights of the citizen stuff that's been holding them back for so long. In the case of music or copyright, they'll be able to stop anyone on the street wearing a set of earbuds listening to an MP3 player on suspicion. Once they have you detained on suspicion of copyright violation they can break into your flat, your car, your bank records, your health records, anything. They can harass your family, your friends, co-workers, all of them become accessories to your suspected crime.

You think McCarthyism (Dang, the spelling checker even picked up that I'd misspelled that the first time.) was bad, what's coming will be worse. Your only hope will be to have nothing recorded or written in your possession, listen only to music through things like radio and video on the cable system (don't worry about PVRs, you don't actually control them the cable companies do and the publishing companies and such control the cable companies. They've been buying each other out after all.)

Re:Where are they? (1)

nman64 (912054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304617)

Or, some foolish legislators, lobbyists and CEOs costing businesses money could fuel the arguments for less government regulation, control and interference. Script kiddies, Anonymous and others of that ilk do not see legislators, lobbyists and CEOs as crusaders of freedom representing the public's interests, but rather as obnoxious criminals pushing their own agenda.

There's the other perspective. The problem is, when it comes to making laws, the legislators, lobbyists and CEOs are the ones in control. When Anonymous acts, it will be the perspective of the legislators that will affect the laws formed in response.

"Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun." - Ash

Re:Ah, you think you can stop it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303887)

Ah, smug, sarcastic self-righteousness. The only thing in the world even less useful than empty hope. How adorable!

Re:Ah, you think you can stop it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304379)

Please, that was cynical sarcasm with a good bit of condescending humor in order to avoid despair, I won't argue that it's less useful than empty hope, but least describe it accurately.

Harper's in Office (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303299)

If he wants the law to pass, it'll get done, despite what anyone, even his own party wants. The opposite is also true.

Re:Harper's in Office (-1, Offtopic)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303463)

Shoot Chris Dodd in the head and all this will come to an end. His replacement will be scared to death of the citizens and will back-off these internet censorship proposals.

Re:Harper's in Office (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303481)

Don't ask someone else to do it. Do it yourself, tough guy.

Re:Harper's in Office (4, Funny)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303527)

Use a rifle. You don't even have to register them anymore.

Re:Harper's in Office (2)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304783)

Cop #1: "So who did it?"
Cop #2: "Irony."

Re:Harper's in Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39308879)

whats your point ? sorry to go off topic on this, but what good does registering a rifle do ? handguns still need to be registered and they are the firearms used in the majority of crimes. as it stands the registry didnt prevent any crimes and has not helped solve any ether.

it was a waste of money didnt help anything. good riddance.

i am a firm supporter of the CPC. but this SOPA crap i do not agree on. and i will fight against it.

Re:Harper's in Office (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312397)

It was just a joke. The registry was created in the wake of the L'ecole Polytechnique massacre. It didn't do much of anything and I think the Americans have it correct -- if you're going to commit to a life of crime, you're not going to bother with the paperwork for a rifle or handgun.

There has been, as far as I know, one case where the registry was used to solve a crime, but it was where an employee of a sporting goods store was stealing rifles. Not really worth the time and expense.

Re:Harper's in Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303721)

Or, more likely, his successor will push for even more restrictive laws, because if they didn't do it, Chris Dodd's death would have been in vain, and "they" who were responsible for your hypothetical shooting would have won. Notice, of course, that "they" will never be identified as a concrete group.

Re:Harper's in Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305217)

And that's when you do the same to the new guy. Wash rinse, repeat until they realize that lives are at stake.

Re:Harper's in Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303891)

Hah. His replacement would have beefed up security and be able to call pirates terrorists every minute.

Re:Harper's in Office (5, Insightful)

billcopc (196330) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304319)

This.

He must be stopped. And by stopped I mean thrown in prison. And by prison I mean not one of the for-profit prisons he's established. And by established I mean sold to private interests. And by private interests I mean his cronies.

He is George W. Bush with slightly better english diction.

Re:Harper's in Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305321)

He must be stopped. And by stopped I mean thrown in prison. And by prison I mean not one of the for-profit prisons he's established. And by established I mean sold to private interests. And by private interests I mean his cronies.

Ummm, no. Canada doesn't have private for-profit prisons.

Look, I'm not a fan of Stephen Harper, but you could criticize him for things that are actually true.

Such as Harper's plan to expand the federal govt prison system. Or Harper's plan for mandatory minimum sentences. Or anything else THAT IS ACTUALLY TRUE/b.

When you make things up that are false & easy to check, that makes you look like a raving loony idiot.

Re:Harper's in Office (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 2 years ago | (#39306493)

Responding to you because of the Anonymous Faggot who is attempting to spread disinformation.

http://www.straight.com/article-119340/stephen-harper-opens-door-to-prison-privatization [straight.com]

This is what the above poster is talking about.

Yes Stephen Harper IS privatizing prisons.

NO it is NOT a good idea.

Re:Harper's in Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39307869)

Did you even read the article you linked to?

It describes a private prison established by the provincial government of Ontario, not the federal government, and even then, it was long before Harper was prime minister.

billcopc claimed, "one of the for-profit prisons he's established" which is fundamentally false. The federal government does not have any for-profit prisons established by Harper (or any other prime minister).

Yes Stephen Harper IS privatizing prisons.

There is no evidence to that effect. Are there any private federal prisons right now? Has Harper announced the privatization of any federal prisons? No.

NO it is NOT a good idea.

Hey, we can agree on something - I think privatizing prisons is a bad idea too.

Look, I'm not a fan of Stephen Harper, but you could criticize him for things that are actually true.

For example, Harper has announced a big expansion of the federal prison system, which will cost many, many billions: http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/24/the-largest-expansion-of-prison-building-since-the-1930s/ [nationalpost.com]

If you disagree with the expansion, then you can criticize Harper for that. Or any of the many other mistakes Harper has made in office.

But when you make things up that are false & easy to check, that makes you look like a raving loony idiot.

Re:Harper's in Office (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 2 years ago | (#39307927)

It's cool. In the last few years, I've come to instinctively assume that any and all AC posts are trolls, unless it's some sensitive, NDA-type topic, and even then I assume a 50% probability of trolliness.

Y'know, it's times like this, I wish Canada had crazy outspoken conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones. For all his mad ranting, he does manage to disseminate a lot of dirty facts about the government. Harper's appointees are so nasty, yet nobody seems to know or care. Look at utter shitbags like Bruce Carson, who somehow got a security clearance and a privileged position by Harper's side, despite numerous fraud convictions. Meanwhile, a guy like me can be denied security clearance over bad credit or a shitty ex-employer. Our whole government is a goddamned joke while this clown is in power.

Re:Harper's in Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39308291)

Harper's appointees are so nasty, yet nobody seems to know or care. Look at utter shitbags like Bruce Carson, who somehow got a security clearance and a privileged position by Harper's side, despite numerous fraud convictions.

Hey, now you're talking about things that are actually true! Congratulations! There may be hope for you yet.

a guy like me can be denied security clearance over bad credit or a shitty ex-employer

That is why some of us post as AC.

Re:Harper's in Office (1)

gottspeed (2060872) | more than 2 years ago | (#39309177)

You post AC because you're a cowardly boot-licking fascist who makes short term conclusions at the expense of your children's freedom and happiness. Read less news papers and do some fucking thinking.

Re:Harper's in Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39309299)

You post AC because you're a cowardly boot-licking fascist who makes short term conclusions at the expense of your children's freedom and happiness.

Dude, chill out & take your meds.

billcopc and ironhandx posted things that were factually untrue. I pointed that out, and suggested they stick to things that were actually true. There is a difference between attacking the message and attacking the messenger.

If you dislike Harper, you'll be much more effective if you criticize him for things that are actually true.

try anyways (2)

WanQiaoYi (2459934) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303309)

good luck Canada!

Re:try anyways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303421)

If I remember correctly, Canada has already signed ACTA

Fuck you, Canada! (2, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303329)

You think we're helping you after what you did to our Baldwins?!?!?

Re:Fuck you, Canada! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303447)

Canada has apologized numerous times for Bryan Adams.

Yeah but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303737)

then they sent down that Justin Beiber chick!

Re:Yeah but... (1)

forkfail (228161) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304013)

Have to blame ourselves for what happened there.

After all, compare and contrast Beiber's media attention in the US with say Rush...

Re:Yeah but... (1)

snemiro (1775092) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304471)

well....Justin's haircut was much better than Neil's....maybe Alex could do the same!...No hope for Geddy.....

Re:Fuck you, Canada! (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304437)

Don't talk to us like you talk to your daughter!

I still have a right to make backups (5, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303427)

If the DMCA clauses pass, I'll still have a right to make backups. It'll be harder to get the software for ripping, but it won't slow me down in the least, or worry me at all.

What it will do is encourage me to torrent download like a fiend to save the hassle of ripping and encoding my own DVDs for access via media server.

Stupid (2)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303489)

C-11 is nothing like SOPA.

Don't believe me? Read it for yourself [parl.gc.ca] .

Re:Stupid (5, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303555)

That's not an excuse. It's subjecting Canada to the same problems as we have with US laws.

Zero chance of stopping it (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303529)

Canada has been taken over by a radical bunch of neo-cons. They have committed innumerable acts of election fraud in what has been effectively a coup.

This SOPA-like shit is nothing in the grander scale of things.

Now is Canada's time to shed some blood to refresh the tree of liberty in this country. An unimaginable change from a mere 10 years ago when we complained about the other party in government kowtowing to corporate wishes.

Watch for the con-bots to appear claiming that they're the victim in this somehow. Or how John Doe got a speeding ticket, con-bots murdered someone, so everyone's a criminal, blah blah blah.

Fuck, it makes me sick thinking about what's happened to this country. Honestly fucking want to puke.

Re:Zero chance of stopping it (0)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303579)

And will you do anything beyond ranting about how others should be fighting this battle for you? You "tree of liberty" people talk a big game but are too much of pussies to do anything.

Re:Zero chance of stopping it (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303801)

A pussy with a dream/goal is still better than a dick who aimlessly pisses on those dreams/goals

Both are better than an asshole who shits on everything though and ruin the world for everyone.

Pussies can't do much about assholes, but a good pussy can entice a dick to rise up, and do something about the asshole.

Now the writers of Team America World Police will come sue me for borrowing their analogy

Re:Zero chance of stopping it (0)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303943)

Translation: I'm a coward but I can talk big on the internet.

Ooooh scary. I'm sure the politicians are practically shitting themselves right now over your empty threats.

Re:Zero chance of stopping it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305457)

Translation: I'm a coward but I can talk big on the internet.

Well, nice to meet you. It's not everyday I meet somebody who introduces themselves like that.

Ooooh scary. I'm sure the politicians are practically shitting themselves right now over your empty threats.

What empty threats? I never made any threats. I was simply pointing out that people who only complain ("pussies") may entice somebody else to act to deal with whatever the "pussies" were complaining about, using terminology from a joke from a movie (not saying it was a good movie per say, but the whole pussy/dick/asshole thing happen to fit the situation)

Re:Zero chance of stopping it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39309751)

I absolutely agree! I just stinks - glad I didn't vote for the bastard! I knew he was trouble when he was the opposition - now we are screwed big time

Liberals+NDP (2)

serbianheretic (1108833) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303617)

If we can get Liberals and NDP to scream **bloody murder*** together with regular citizens, then it might dawn on those in Ottawa that this will hurt their re-election chances. Just a thought ...

Re:Liberals+NDP (3, Interesting)

Maow (620678) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304175)

If we can get Liberals and NDP to scream **bloody murder*** together with regular citizens, then it might dawn on those in Ottawa that this will hurt their re-election chances. Just a thought ...

Bill C-30 will eventually get passed, some time before the next election.

The clause inside it that allows the ISP "raids" to be performed by anyone designated by the minister is a dead giveaway, in conjunction with the massive election frauds, that it will be used by Conservative hacks to dig dirt on political opponents.

There will be no more free & fair elections for the Conservatives to have to worry about losing. Remember the 2+ years of attack ads against Ignatief? Just wait until they can scour the records of all communications of all their opponents, coupled with planting evidence where none exists and the Cons expect a permanent majority.

Anything less would leave them exposed to prosecution on criminal charges of everything up to treason.

Re:Liberals+NDP (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39307057)

Don't forget how McKay got the Air Force to dig through their emails to see if anyone could find out if his critics had ever flown in a helicopter.

Re:Liberals+NDP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304531)

Try to remember that the Liberals also wanted this bill, when they held the cards. They can assist in the screaming ATM, but given the opportunity, they'll do the same.
Look for a party endorsing proportional representation next time around, and vote for them, no matter how fringe they may appear. It's time to oust "leadership" and re-integrate "representation".

Re:Liberals+NDP (1)

RJHelms (1554807) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304799)

And then if/when that party wins enough power under the FPTP system to actually bring about that change, they will mysteriously lose their desire for proportional representation.

Don't forget, before political power was within his reach, Stephen Harper was a consistent advocate of proportional representation. Somehow that dropped by the wayside once the distortions in our electoral system started to work in his favour.

Re:Liberals+NDP (1)

CanEHdian (1098955) | more than 2 years ago | (#39309441)

If we can get Liberals and NDP to scream **bloody murder*** together with regular citizens, then it might dawn on those in Ottawa that this will hurt their re-election chances. Just a thought ...

Not just that, they (including the Bloc and the Greens and perhaps the Pirate Party of Canada) should get together and already draft an amendment that will turn back all of the C11 pain points, e.g. the digital lock provision in non-infringing circumstances and any amendments the CRIA and their ilk propose.

This is not a joke. Make the text publicly available, perhaps request comments, and when finalized, for the record pledge that as soon as the Coalition of the Unwilling gets a majority in parliament, this proposal will be tabled and passed. This is not just to reassure voters, but also everyone that benefits from C11, that these rules are only temporary and shouldn't be thought of as giving any kind of protection, as they will be undone, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Watching Closely (2)

calgar99 (856142) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303697)

Anyone living just south of Canada... hell, everyone should be watching this closely. Who's to say it won't come to your neck of the woods?

Only at second reading (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39303723)

http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/Home.aspx?Language=E&Parl=41&Ses=1

Not that you shouldn't contact your MP, but this thing has got a bit to go yet.

Re:Only at second reading (3)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#39306249)

I actually just called mine and had a bit of a rant (at his assistant). If you have the time, it's probably worth more than an email.

Do not allow this madness the continue (4, Insightful)

Lunaritian (2018246) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303925)

The main problem is that every time a country adopts stupid laws like this, it becomes easier to pass it in other countries too.

So please, Canada, make sure this law won't pass. This law isn't a threat just to you, it's a threat to the whole world.

Fuck the conservatives. (5, Insightful)

gmarsh (839707) | more than 2 years ago | (#39303979)

I think C-11 is an absolutely horrible bill.

- It allows warrantless monitoring of a person's internet activity, which is an inexcusable invasion of privacy.
- According to a law professor I've spoken to, it makes warrantless monitoring of my telephone legal since I'm using a VOIP telephone system provided by the cable company, and VOIP is just extra internet traffic. This is despite the fact that warrantless monitoring of a landline is highly illegal.
- Oh, and if I burn a copy of a DVD I own, I've broken a digital lock and I'm now I'm potentially liable for unlimited damages. They were nice enough to add a backup provision to C-11, except it's not applicable if you're breaking a digital lock.

Not to mention the fact it's being thrust on us by a majority government that got less than 50% of the overall vote at election time, may not actually have a legitimate majority thanks to the ongoing robocall scandal... and the whole fucking bill is being pushed on us with "support it or you're with the pedophiles" bullshit.

And here's what I've done about it:

- I've written my local (Conservative) MP about the bill, and got a template reply. Wrote back again, no response.
- I wrote a former (NDP) MP in my previous district, and got back a really great "100% with you on this, but unfortunately they've got a majority so all we can do is whine and complain in the house" e-mail.

What the frig else should I do?

Who are "they"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304687)

I wrote a former (NDP) MP in my previous district, and got back a really great "100% with you on this, but unfortunately they've got a majority so all we can do is whine and complain in the house" e-mail.

Who are the "they" you are talking about that have a majority? Certainly they don't represent citizens. We need a public protest in order to show we care, because obviously "they" aren't talking on our behalf. We need to be heard.

Re:Who are "they"? (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305441)

the "they" - at least in my riding, represent a voting majority that would be more than happy to see these laws passed, because the issues are completely off their radar. At least when I wrote to my MP, message was passed on to the aides of the people responsible for this bill, who sent me back a propaganda message... which I rebutted point by point. Not that it'll do any good. The only way this won't pass is if it becomes politically unpopular -- and for that to happen, someone doing something really naughty has to be caught and associated with the bill.

Re:Fuck the conservatives. (2)

dryeo (100693) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304847)

Pray the Supreme Court shows some sanity? Seems most parts of this law are unconstitutional from unreasonable searches to stepping on the Provinces toes by passing legislation regulating private property.
Also be a bonus if a bunch of election results were thrown out forcing bye-elections and removing the Conservatives majority but I doubt that that would happen, they''ll just go on about it being anti-democratic and prorogue Parliament until people forget the truth and believe their attack ads.
I'll write my MP again but he honestly believes the bullshit about intellectual property and if anything this law doesn't go far enough to protect the rights of the artists ctrl-w publishers.

Re:Fuck the conservatives. (1)

MrKevvy (85565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304975)

- I wrote a former (NDP) MP in my previous district, and got back a really great "100% with you on this, but unfortunately they've got a majority so all we can do is whine and complain in the house" e-mail.
What the frig else should I do?

Harper was found in Contempt of Parliament years ago and nothing was ever done about it. This should be reopened and actioned.

Re:Fuck the conservatives. (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 2 years ago | (#39308281)

Majority motion to re-open has to pass the house. Guess whats not happening now?

Re:Fuck the conservatives. (2)

alexo (9335) | more than 2 years ago | (#39306345)

What the frig else should I do?

Here are some suggestions, in no particular order:

* Spread the message. Contact people electronically and in person to let them know that C-30, C-11 and their ilk are evil incarnate. Use facts but don't be afraid of hyperbole.

* Get a commitment from the Liberal, NDP, Green and independent candidates in your riding to fight to revoke the parts of these bills you find unacceptable should they get elected, in return to your helping their campaign. Then choose one and HELP THEIR CAMPAIGN.

* Talk to young people, middle- and high-school students in particular are not yet completely brainwashed. Explain to them that they do not want to live under a regimes that wants to make everyone a criminal for the sake of the for-profit jails. Some of them will be old enough to vote in the next election, some in the following ones. Start early. The older generations are most likely a lost cause.

* Use easy-to-understand and hard-to-argue-against examples to frame the argument. E.g.:
1) Want to watch your legally-bought DVD on your iPad or iPhone? Go to jail!
2) What if your Ex's cousin is a dirty cop? They are now legally allowed to stalk you without court oversight!
3) http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20120202.gif [smbc-comics.com]
etc.

* Share every little success that you have with your Conservative MP. Thank them for giving you the motivation to fight the good fight and remind them that you could be using all this energy to help THEM instead, if only they took a firm stand against C-20 and C-11.

It's WAR. Start treating it like one.

Re:Fuck the conservatives. (1)

Maow (620678) | more than 2 years ago | (#39308611)

What the frig else should I do?

Write the Governor General info@gg.ca [mailto] and demand he dissolve Parliament.

Dunno if he can do it, but it's one of the few non-drastic measures left.

(Fantasizing a bit for next bit here:)
Maybe ask a bunch of active service Afghan vets to storm Parliament and arrest Conservatives: a military coup would be preferable to what happened last May 2nd.

Plus the irony of Mr "Support our Troops or you support the Taliban" Harper being arrested for treason by... our troops would be delicious beyond description.

Actually, the military coup, followed by elections within 12 months (should only take 3 months) isn't a bad idea. At least hasty military trials for treason, swiftly followed involuntary Conservative donations to organ transplant programmes would start to right the good ship Canada.

Good gawd, how low we've sunk!

yuo fail %it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304159)

partner. And if troubl3s of Walnut baatled in court,

My Email to my MP (4, Interesting)

Petersko (564140) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304221)

I'd like to take a moment to address the question of C-11. I have, in fact, read it in its entirety, since media coverage is never without bias.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Docid=5144516&file=4 [parl.gc.ca]

I'm sure you've heard from people who are far more rabid in their disdain for this legislation than I, and you've likely heard all of the arguments against it.

I will therefore restrict myself to declaring that, should this legislation pass, I will not be voting for you in the future. That is an unconditional promise.

Yours,

Petersko

Re:My Email to my MP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304305)

Exactly! That's the only thing they understand or care about. If you listen closely, you might actually hear them saying, "Let them eat cake!"

Re:My Email to my MP (1)

alexo (9335) | more than 2 years ago | (#39306549)

I will therefore restrict myself to declaring that, should this legislation pass, I will not be voting for you in the future. That is an unconditional promise.

No good. You voice is just a single one, it will not influence their decision.

Instead, make a pledge to your MP that you will spend your time, energy and resources to help THEIR OPPONENTS FOR SEVEN GENERATIONS win.
Then follow up.

I go into a little more details here [slashdot.org] .

Yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304689)

They'll bow to the US Government as usual.

websites are starting to comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304877)

So many things wrong with this (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305611)

Before I get modded down, I just want to know that Truth is the first casualty in this war. Here are some facts:

- This is NOT the last chance to get Bill C-10 from getting to Canada, it has to go through the Senate (You screwed this up once Senate, don't screw it again). If they change even a word, it must go back to the House of Commons and start over.
- Online surveillance is NOT in Bill C-10, it's in Bill C-30 (I don't that bill either)
- This ISN'T SOPA, it's DMCA (annoying...)
- No, Anonymous wouldn't help this situation, since they tried to pressure Vic Toews on Bill C-30, and now they have an excuse to ram it through. Don't do it for Bill C - 11.

Re:So many things wrong with this (1)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | more than 2 years ago | (#39306363)

speaking of facts... it's bill C-11 not C-10

SOPA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305831)

It cant do anything, we already the Stephen Harper convention ACT,,,,,,and it's alive

Stupid government (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39309141)

I hate it that in spite of protests, petitions, and the fact that its not good for the country, the idiot politicians (and by that I mean this govenrment) don't listen to the people. They don't listen to the opposition. They run roughshod over the democratic process. They invoke closure (google it), thereby limiting debate. They do whatever they want, ignoring anyone and everyone. You don't want to elect them again even if you voted for them before because they don't participate in a democracy: they just ignore everyone and wind up doing stupid things. There is a good chance that they got power illegally (the robocall scam), and will lose power by enforced by-elections. This is my hope. They have pissed away money (that the Canadian Taxpayers Association had nailed them on, and for a right wing government, that's just sick). Whatever crap they try to pass, will be revoked after the next election. The problem is putting up with all of it from now till then.

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