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LSD Can Treat Alcoholism

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the effectively-useless-information dept.

Medicine 346

ananyo writes "LSD has potential as a treatment for alcoholism, according to a comprehensive retrospective analysis of studies published in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The researchers sifted through thousands of records to collect data from randomized, double-blind trials that compared one dose of LSD to a placebo. Of 536 participants in six trials, 59% of people receiving LSD reported lower levels of alcohol misuse (PDF), compared to 38% of people who received a placebo. The study adds to the weight of evidence that hallucinogenic drugs may have important medical uses, including, for example, the alleviation of cluster headaches."

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Go figure (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304455)

Yet another Schedule 1 drug with actual medical applications. Is there any part of the war on drug users that isn't based on lies?

Re:Go figure (5, Interesting)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304779)

Not just lies but misinformation. I mean, LSD is often a far more exotic of a drug to the people who haven't done it than have. It isn't habbit forming. In fact, after a trip, I often said that if someone put more acid in front of me and suggested I do it again, I might punch them. At its best its long and draining, physically and emotionally. Do some people go crazy and do it every day? Sure, but they are hardly the norm.

Don't get me wrong, I saw some people have some difficult times, and see things that sounded far more amazing than anything I ever saw. And I have seen it change lives.

I had a friend who had a few very difficult experiences. He was a bit religious, and talked of seeing deamons around him and being convinced he was going to die. Took him a long time to get over that. Though, it also was the catalyst that changed his life, to become a better person, to get off the myriad of drugs he was using and get a career instead of going into his 20s as a petty crook on his way to jail.

So do I think it can cure alcoholism? No. I think its a tool that could be used to gain perspective and insight and to become invested in change. That may very well be what enables a person to change... however, I don't think its a magic switch... and it might be a difficult ride.

Actually LSD has been used in this manner, I highly recomend "LSD Psychotherapy" by Stanislav Groff. Excellent book on the subject, where clinics have been run outside the US for many years. However, its not just "LSD does the work", it is the entire therapy session surrounding it that guides it.

Re:Go figure (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305077)

The first time I tried acid, I was afraid that I'd have a bad trip. I heard plenty of horror stories.

Before that trip, I had never laughed harder in my life. We did the classic stoner thing - playing Bugs Bunny cartoons with the volume off, with Eminem playing in the background, so it looked like the characters were rapping the words. We had the blacklight, the posters, the fishtank, Escher posters, all the cool stuff.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Go figure (0, Flamebait)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304915)

Even if it was legal, do you think it would pass FDA approval?

LSD does have some long term side-effects on people. Such as Trips years after using the drug.

Re:Go figure (5, Informative)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305155)

It works with most psychedelic drugs, and there are those without the downside you mentioned. Ibogaine is the current favourite among researchers. Also flashbacks from a single treatment are rarer than most drug side effects, and less severe than many. Given that substance addiction basically results in severe illness, death, harm to others, prison and insanity, I think a small risk of a minor flashback is a pretty acceptable side effect.

Re:Go figure (5, Interesting)

Higgins_Boson (2569429) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305173)

Misinformation.

The only people who had trips that bad were the ones who ABUSED it heavily, did more than they should have or just tripped in the wrong setting or had underlying psychological disorders to begin with, in which case they needed a controlled dose and not a dose from some dude off the street.

As for FDA approval.. have you EVER watched a commercial for an FDA approved drug? Nice, harmless side-effects like cancer, organ failure, Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, blindness, heart failure, brain damage, impotency, birth defects, peripheral neuropathy, weight gain, weight loss, coma, death.

Yeah... you keep counting on those corrupt assholes in the FDA. I will take my chances with the shady looking guy on the corner.

Re:Go figure (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305239)

Probably depends on what it was being tested for the treatment of.

Risk tolerance certainly drifts around as a function of time, and the FDA is no exception; but there ends up being some vaguely linear relationship between the ghastliness of the condition being approached and how much slack the assorted side effects and risks of the therapy end up being cut.

Given that alcoholism tends to have pretty dramatic long-term effects on people, many of them pretty nasty, and presently has a lousy cure rate, it might actually have a shot. It would certainly have plenty of company among the 'potentially very unpleasant drugs for definitely very dire indeed psych conditions' that are currently legal, approved, and commonly accepted for use. How much flack it would draw from the 'all you need is more willpower!' school of largely ineffective but morally satisfying therapy would be a different question... Its chances for less serious diagnoses would probably be much poorer, and (depending on what classification it hypothetically received) even off-label use might be strongly discouraged by enthusiastic DEA oversight.

Makes sense (5, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304459)

They'll stop the first time they see their booze bottles as screaming fanged monsters.

Re:Makes sense (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304651)

It's funny, but this was actually the original intent of the original 1950s studies. However, the study participants often enjoyed the LSD experience and were able to talk coherently and honestly with researchers about why they drank and why they wanted to stop. The sessions evolved into a kind of guided meditation, and eventually showed a success rate of about 45-50%. Compare this to the second most effective treatment for alcoholism - AA - which boasts a success rate of 10-12%.

Hallucinogens can be powerful tools, and I'm glad we're starting to explore them more thoroughly.

Re:Makes sense (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304805)

Naltrexone + drinking is even more effective.

U.S. Army Propaganda (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304475)

Geeze yall are stupid.

placebo for LSD? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304481)

Please explain how you can pass a placebo off as LSD.

Re:placebo for LSD? (2)

CambodiaSam (1153015) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304583)

This is an excellent question. It reminds of a quote from Brain Candy [wordpress.com]:

”It’s been two weeks and I don’t feel any different. All I’ve done is gain 8 pounds. What’s in this? Sugar, isn’t it? I’m in the placebo group. My face tells me it’s sugar.”

Re:placebo for LSD? (2)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304815)

You wouldn't have to.

You wouldn't TELL the people receiving the placebo that the other half were receiving LSD. They wouldn't know they were receiving a placebo because they wouldn't know what the drug "curing" them was supposed to be.

Re:placebo for LSD? (1)

brainzach (2032950) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305127)

But the expectations from taking a placebo of LSD are much different than the expectations from placebo of a mystery alcoholism cure.

Re:placebo for LSD? (2)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305227)

Don't tell them it's a placebo of LSD. Tell them it is a placebo of asprin.

Re:placebo for LSD? (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305245)

Or rather- not that is is a placebo of asprin- but they're testing a cure using asprin. LOL

And only if you have to tell them anything. If they didn't know the other half were getting LSD- they wouldn't know they had a placebo or what the "mystery" cure was.

Re:placebo for LSD? (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305261)

It still wont work. Because the group receiving the LSD will never believe they are in the placebo group.

Re:placebo for LSD? (2)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305265)

Today, at least, you would have to inform your test subjects that they could receive a dose of a hallucinogenic drug. It's not a trivial matter, bad trips can happen, and they are by all accounts terrifying.

Even if you didn't inform them, although the placebo group wouldn't know what they did, the non-placebo group would be acutely aware that they didn't get sugar. It's just not possible to bilnd such studies properly.

To me it sounds like LSD functions a lot like religion. The subjects have a pretty wild, magical interpretation of their experiences - "consciousness expansion", as if what they experience is more real than what the brain can perceive when it's working as intended.

However, unlike religion, these radical interpretations got a surprising deal of support from the extremely high status whitecoat scientific establishment. A religion-like experience with the full weight of that authority behind it, I would expect to have a pretty spectacular placebo effect.

Re:placebo for LSD? (4, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304973)

You don't tell the control group that they are taking LSD.

Placebo side effects: dry mouth, and feels a little bit hyper.
The Other drug side effects: a talking dragon asking you live by the sea.

Re:placebo for LSD? (2)

JTsyo (1338447) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305285)

If 38% of the people can be cured with just a placebo, maybe they should use that first before moving onto LSD.

Other results not mentioned (5, Funny)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304487)

The study also found a 47% increase in believing they could fly and 39% increase in the belief that they were covered in spiders over that of the placebo group.

Re:Other results not mentioned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304623)

The study also found a 47% increase in believing they could fly and 39% increase in the belief that they were covered in spiders over that of the placebo group.

The study included bad cop shows from the 70s?

Re:Other results not mentioned (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304657)

and tangerine trees and marmalade skies...

Re:Other results not mentioned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304965)

No, thats Star Trek.

Re:Other results not mentioned (1)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304707)

What about the guy who thought he was an orange and peeled himself?

Re:Other results not mentioned (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305059)

He wasnt included in the results because unfortunately he did not finish the study, for obvious reasons

Re:Other results not mentioned (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304825)

The study also found a 47% increase in believing they could fly and 39% increase in the belief that they were covered in spiders over that of the placebo group.

Give me a break. The only studies that show a consistent increase in frightening hallucinations were taken in very sterile and cold feeling test chambers. Those that thought they could fly.. well as Bill Hicks used to say..
"Today a young man on acid thought he could fly jumped out of a building what a tragedy!" What a dick. He's an idiot. If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground first? Check it out? You don't see geese lined up to catch elevators to fly south; they fly from the fucking ground. He's an idiot. He's dead. Good! We lost a moron? Fucking celebrate. There's one less moron in the world."

Re:Other results not mentioned (1)

teasea (11940) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305071)

The study also found a 47% increase in believing they could fly and 39% increase in the belief that they were covered in spiders over that of the placebo group.

The study included Really bad cop shows from the 70s?

This reminds me of a nursery rhyme (3, Interesting)

Art3x (973401) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304493)

"I know an old lady who swallowed a fly . . . "

Re:This reminds me of a nursery rhyme (2)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304677)

I get the feeling that this story ends with "When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death."

Placebo? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304523)

Placebo? Really? What possible placebo can you give somebody that they won't figure out it wasn't LSD?

Re:Placebo? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304987)

Placebo? Really? What possible placebo can you give somebody that they won't figure out it wasn't LSD?

It turns out that in experiments where people are given punch they are told is spiked, the group being given plain fruit punch starts acting intoxicated. Full on effect of lowered inhibitions, no alcohol.

The placebo effect is a POWERFUL thing. The group being given the placebo LSD probably had some people convincing themselves they were hallucinating.

Re:Placebo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305011)

Tell them you're giving them LSD and they'll hallucinate just about anything.
People are pushovers. That's basically why placebos work.

Re:Placebo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305131)

Placebo? Really? What possible placebo can you give somebody that they won't figure out it wasn't LSD?

What an awesome comment!!!!

LSD to cure Alcoholism? Yeeees... (-1)

MindPrison (864299) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304529)

...and pigs can fly, especially when you've had a few.

Trust me...then alcoholism is going to be the least of your problems.

Re:LSD to cure Alcoholism? Yeeees... (1, Interesting)

redfox2012 (1150371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304695)

Some alcoholics, when confronted with their problem, think “I know, I’ll use LSD.” Now they have two problems.

Re:LSD to cure Alcoholism? Yeeees... (1)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305255)

Which two problems are those? Can you quote statistics, clinical studies or even a single example? Just in case you don't know LSD is totally non addictive, in fact it is the opposite of addictive as it is so strong it creates a respect in the user who then often stops taking it because they are cautious about the intensity. Anyone who habitually takes LSD does so because they love it, and could give up any time (barring psychological addiction, which can happen with anything including posting on news boards)

Re:LSD to cure Alcoholism? Yeeees... (4, Insightful)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305287)

Oh come on, regular expressions aren't like LSD. You don't get long term damage from an LSD experience.

Re:LSD to cure Alcoholism? Yeeees... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305049)

Trust you?!? Why would anyone do that? Are you an expert in the clinical use of LSD?

Re:LSD to cure Alcoholism? Yeeees... (3, Interesting)

teasea (11940) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305223)

Trust me...then alcoholism is going to be the least of your problems.

You have knowledge that taking 250 mgs of LSD will so devastate the average person's life that alcoholism will be a comparatively insubstantial problem?

Go on...I'm fascinated.

In other news (4, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304537)

In other news, cocaine addiction has been shown to lower marijuana abuse.

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304605)

Surely you're trolling, since LSD isn't an addictive drug.

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304665)

Just like WoW ...

Re:In other news (2, Funny)

booyoh (2511204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304729)

Just like WoW ...

Breaking News: SWTOR can treat WoW addiction

Re:In other news (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305123)

This isn't the treatment you're looking for.

Old News (0)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304559)

They've been using drug X to treat alcoholism successfully for over a hundred years. Successful in that the patient no longer craves alcohol. The side effect is, he now craves drug X (one of the more popular ones being cocaine)

Re:Old News (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304659)

Yes, all those hordes of LSD addicted people are just another problem. Oh wait....

I've seen phsychology reports differ. (-1, Flamebait)

merauder (518514) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304569)

Long time alcoholics tend to suffer from a duality within the mind, the one who wants to stay sober, and the other that wants to drink. LSD can cause a permanent splitting of the psychosis and the end result can be schizophrenia. So I wouldn't recommend trying this.

Re:I've seen phsychology reports differ. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304635)

LSD can cause a permanent splitting of the psychosis and the end result can be schizophrenia.

Is that a fact anywhere but your ass?

Re:I've seen phsychology reports differ. (3, Funny)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304839)

Long time alcoholics tend to suffer from a duality within the mind, the one who wants to stay sober, and the other that wants to drink.

That's what shandy is for...

Re:I've seen phsychology reports differ. (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304983)

LSD can cause a permanent splitting of the psychosis and the end result can be schizophrenia.

What exactly are the symptoms of a split psychosis? And if I don't have any psychosis to split in the first place, am I safe?

I used to take acid all the time (5, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304663)

Man, those were the good old days, when acid was plentiful (the 80's). I really miss taking acid. They said I'd get flashbacks when I got older, which I am still waiting for. I mean, free acid trips? I'm down. Except they aren't happening.

I want some mother loving acid, LSD, shit, i'll even eat the brown acid from woodstock. Prefer liquid, but I'll take blotter, 4 way, gels, whatever you got.

Tune in, Turn on, Drop out.

One of my best trips was when I took some liquid acid, 2 drops, and 20 mins later, i'm watching these crab aliens rip up my ceiling, while blood was dripping down the wall. Not only was I not scared, I was loving it. I don't lose reality on acid, and this was by far the best show ever. I kept thinking my roommate wanted to sleep with (like I really want to have sex on acid, not!), she thought I was the devil, and we were really fucked up.

I would love to take acid again, but I have no idea where to get it. Guess I can go find some hippies somewhere...

While acid isn't for everyone, 'cause some of you are crazy upstairs, most everyone should take it. It opens your mind to other ways of thinking, and honestly, most the world needs to open their minds and wake the fuck up.

Re:I used to take acid all the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304873)

I would love to take acid again, but I have no idea where to get it.

Go to a local music festival. Or if you're really into the Internet convenience thing, take a look into Bitcoins and .onion websites...

Re:I used to take acid all the time (1)

robably (1044462) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305213)

Yes. Mind altering drugs are a great way to gain objectivity on yourself - to step outside your normal way of seeing things and then step back in with a new perspective. It's very therapeutic, like taking a wonderful holiday, and something a lot of people would benefit from - not everyone, though. If you are well balanced and content and not actively searching for a "bigger view of things", then it will just be an annoyance. It is not at all surprising that it can benefit people with an addiction problem.

If you're having trouble finding LSD I recommend ketamine. It is a far stronger hallucinogen, but (bizarrely) it carries a lighter penalty if you are caught with it. A couple of small lines and the filters on your perception of time and space start to disappear. A few more lines and all of reality slides through an infinite point in your head - everything you experience is created by you - full hallucination - and then after experiencing infinity (truly revelatory) you gradually slide back through layer after layer of complementary realities until you land back in this one. Beautiful.

So I've heard, anyway.

Marihuana as teatment for ADHD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304667)

Might as well declare that Marijuana treats ADHD, Cocaine treats depression and declare Opium as an art-class accessory!

meh (3, Interesting)

forgottenusername (1495209) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304681)

A strong dose of LSD removes any underpinnings with reality. There's no way to prepare for it. For some people it's a good, useful thing which helps them gain a different perspective and form new thought patterns or approach problems in a different way. For others its a hellish experience that causes permanent damage to their psyche. Psychoactive drugs can trigger latent personality disorders. I know this from personal experience.

Think of LSD as a focuser; if you're prone to anxiety, you're likely to have an extremely hard time, especially if you're in an sterile lab environment (your ambient environment makes a huge difference to your experience, along with the people you are around).

Anyhow, I have a hard time trusting that study for much. I can see psychoactive drugs having lots of benefits, but a lot of risks too. It's hard to picture someone suffering from alcoholism (which encourages denialism, depression etc) really getting much positive benefit.

Re:meh (5, Insightful)

brainzach (2032950) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304823)

Why would they have to do the experiment in a sterile lab environment?

You can minimize the chances of a bad trip by conducting the test in a more comfortable environment and have a counselor guide the patient through the experience. It will probably be much more positive and effective treatment than giving a guy a lot of acid and locking him in the room for 12 hours.

Re:meh (2)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305015)

Why would they have to do the experiment in a sterile lab environment?

You can minimize the chances of a bad trip by conducting the test in a more comfortable environment and have a counselor guide the patient through the experience. It will probably be much more positive and effective treatment than giving a guy a lot of acid and locking him in the room for 12 hours.

But not as much fun to watch.

Re:meh (2)

forgottenusername (1495209) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305103)

That's a good point.

There's been a whole lot of good research done on the mechanisms of addiction, how brain chemistry is changed.. a lot of data suggests (common sense) that if you change your environment, it's easier to break patterns. Charle Rose had a really good series on the brain where this was discussed..

I _think_ this one is it: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10974 [charlierose.com] - the whole series is great though.

It'd be really interesting if they used some modern techniques to figure out what was going on.. like monitoring differences in brain activity in the different regions..

Re:meh (1)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305325)

You can minimize the chances of a bad trip by conducting the test in a more comfortable environment and have a counselor guide the patient through the experience.

Yeah, that way you can also minimize (or more like obliterate) what little there is of blinding.

How is this news? (5, Informative)

dmt0 (1295725) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304733)

Some studies in the 1950s that used LSD to treat alcoholism professed a 50% success rate,[29] five times higher than estimates near 10% for Alcoholics Anonymous.[30] A 1998 review was inconclusive.[31]

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Alcoholism [wikimedia.org]

Re:How is this news? (2)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305069)

Yes this is old news, but I am glad it is finally getting reported, even if it is 50 years late. Alcholism does serious damage in society and the failure to use this technique is just another example of the horrific damage done by prohibition.

It should also be noted that this technique involved a certain type of therapy which is done while under the influence of the psychedelic, and part of the reason for the original suppression of these results was that anti-drug scientists who wanted to discredit the research did a study without the therapy. This basically amounted to shackling people on lsd to a bed alone and waiting. Naturally as this failed to work they claimed the other trial wasn't due to the drug at all. Since the 90's researchers have been working further along these lines using Ibogaine to get around prohibition and have discovered that it in fact works for virtually all addictive behaviour. There are clinics you an go to to get Ibogaine treatment for heroine and cocaine addiction.

tl:dr = LSD and other psychedelic drugs (with the correct therapy), whilst (relatively) harmless and non-addictive themselves, are the best cure so far found for all substance addiction. This has been known to the anti prohibition lobby for over 50 years but the results never make the mainstream media because they are controlled by those who profit from the war on drugs.

Re:How is this news? (2)

ananyo (2519492) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305121)

Some studies in the 1950s that used LSD to treat alcoholism professed a 50% success rate,[29] five times higher than estimates near 10% for Alcoholics Anonymous.[30] A 1998 review was inconclusive.[31]

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Alcoholism [wikimedia.org]

Because it's a meta-analysis - like the story says. Each of the trials that wikipedia mentions is underpowered by itself - the results are not strongly significant even when they did show 'an effect'. The reason was they were often unable to recruit enough people for the trial. There were also trials that showed little effect (and as the review you quote says - the overall evidence was 'inconclusive'). This is the most comprehensive analysis to date of exactly those past studies - and the picture is more complete and convincing - there IS an effect.
The question is now - is there enough evidence to warrant a proper trial and collect the really important long term data?

This has been known since the 1960's (4, Insightful)

stox (131684) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304769)

Sadly, further research was abandoned due to the difficulties of getting permission from the government.

I could not agree more (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304773)

Posting as AC because I don't have an account. I took LSD this very last Saturday, and I can honestly say that having looked at myself and alcohol and what I realize it's been doing to me, I haven't touched it since or had a single craving. I mean, I'm not an alcoholic, I just drink a 6-pack of tall boys every night for a year, right? It was like turning a switch on and off. I dunno, I'm a reasonably happy person, so I think that it's easier for me to say all of this. "Treatment" for addiction (ANY addiction - even sugar) very rarely focuses on the actual underlying cause of the addiction. Yes, some people just like to party. But LSD has a way of making you look inward at yourself....

Of course it can (0)

HikingStick (878216) | more than 2 years ago | (#39304817)

If you saw your booze bottle as an angry little monster that wanted to bite your fingers off, you'd stop reaching for the bottle, too.

Placebo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304843)

If the placebo was 38% effective, then why not just give that to people? It may not be 60% (like LSD), but it's better than the 10-12% quoted for AA and has zero possible side effects.

Also, this seems to point to the fact that while alcoholism may be a disease, for some of the population at least it is purely mental (or there is no way a placebo would work).

LSD not addictive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39304863)

LSD is many things. Addictive is not one of them. It is one of the few drugs demonstrably proven non-addictive. As in not even as addictive as caffeine or no-doz.

in related news... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305001)

In related news, Pot is found to successfully treat some eating disorders, and Heroin is found to be helpful treating rebound headaches.

Methamphetamine is also good for weight loss (1)

scottbomb (1290580) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305021)

But it's certainly not recommended except for the morbidly obese (in which case the doses are very small compared to what an addict would use and the dispension is tightly controlled).

Death of The Ego (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39305027)

The key thing to take away from an experience on Psilocybin or LSD is The Death of The Ego. That is the critical experience that changes people. No one can explain it to you if you've never done it. Essentially, there comes a time during the trip when you "aren't you" anymore, and a indescribable clarity follows. No, this can't be achieved via any other substances, especially alcohol. It's interesting to read the troll comments about this, as it's obvious they came from people who've never experienced it. Also interesting how some of the major contributors to computing and things High Tech used these substances, Steve Jobs among them.

60s and 70s (2)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305061)

About the Time the CIA was doing "tests" to see if it would work as a truth serum. I would bet that the study was probably just a cover to test LSD on people. Even if LSD worked the drawback of Flashbacks or Persistent Hallucinations would make it unusable. Now if LSD were the cure for cancer then persistent hallucinations would be acceptable.

It's non-addictive (1)

teasea (11940) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305129)

Demonstrably so. Well proven to be less addictive than no-doz and lollipops. All whose comments or arguments cite LSD addiction get a zero on this subject and should do a bit of further reading.

(Funny you should ask. Why no, I am not promoting the use of LSD.)

Gorillas to kill the snakes (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 2 years ago | (#39305147)

Why does this remind me of the Simpson's episode where they use lizards to kill pigeons, then snakes to kill the lizards, then gorillas to kill the snakes?

"We've cured his alcoholism with LSD."
"Yes, but now he's hooked on LSD."
"No problem. We can cure that with some cocaine."
"But then won't he be addicted to cocaine?"
"That's when we introduce him to crystal meth..."

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