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7-inch Google Tablet Coming From ASUS

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the sources-suggest dept.

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First time accepted submitter Sez Zero writes "Google and ASUS have been collaborating on a co-branded 7-inch Android tablet, with a launch as early as May, according to sources, challenging low-cost rivals and the iPad with a $199-249 price tag. The fruits of the partnership, whispered to the runes readers at DigiTimes by industry sources, will take on the NOOK Tablet and the Kindle Fire, with ASUS selected for its willingness to flex to Google's requirements."

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yes! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310691)

I have too much control!

Please give me more mindless propaganda and entertainment-consuming devices!

And more opportunity to communicate so I never need to be unavailable to my boss!

Glorious capitalism, drown me in the fruits of your production!

Yep. (4, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310769)

Count me in for four at least for my own house, and as many for gifts for Christmas.

I'm ot sure where you're going with that 1984 rhetoric though. This stuff works for us, it delivers modern innovation - and yet it lets us do with it what we will. That's not the same thing at all as the dystopian vision you portend.

Have you some credible source, some study or even some analyst to call dire outcomes? Surely you must. Your fear, show me it.

Re:Yep. (1)

miknix (1047580) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310779)

Count me in for four at least for my own house

Same here, I've been waiting for some kind of incentive to buy one to my parents - this might be it.

Re:Yep. (-1, Troll)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310905)

Count me in for four at least for my own house, and as many for gifts for Christmas.

Look at the Google Fanboi. It's not yet been officially announced, specs aren't yet known, and already he wants 8 of the new shiny. Google's reality distortion field has a strong effect on this one. A triumph of marketing over innovation.

Re:Yep. (2)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311741)

What are you on about? He knows it's got a 7-inch display, he knows about how much it costs, he knows what software it runs. Does it really matter if the processor is 1.4GHz vs. 1GHz, or it has two cameras instead of one? You'll be able to use it to read books and watch videos either way.

And if he needs four of them, the difference between $800 vs. $2000 for 4 x iPad3 is $1200. That is no small amount of cash. You could use it as half the 20% down payment on a house [npr.org] for crying out loud. (Or you could get a little less than half a Mac Pro, whichever.)

You don't have to take it personally every time someone makes a decision that reduces the ever-shrinking likelihood that Apple will maintain its dominant position in the tablet market.

Re:Yep. (-1, Flamebait)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312485)

Don't hide it, you just can't afford it. Don't turn it into a fiscal morality issue, to save face.

Re:Yep. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39312613)

You suck because you drive a Ford. My dad drives a Chevy and it's the best!

WTF. Are you guys all 14 years old or what?

Re:Yep. (2)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312705)

Obvious troll is obvious. You might want to look up the difference between "can't afford it" and "worse value for money."

Re:Yep. (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#39313369)

What are you on about?

Satire, my friend. Satire.

Re:Yep. (0)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312461)

Well played my friend, well played.

For those that are slow, it's what is said by all google lovers when someone says they're buying an apple product. It's quite quaint.

Re:Yep. (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39313329)

Couldn't have been too well played considering he's sitting on a big fat -1 Troll for his trouble. Not only that but the specs are pretty much a given. 1+ GHz proc 1280x800 screen, 1 GB RAM, Android 4.0+ 250 dollar or less price point. Damn facts always getting in the way. :)

Re:Yep. (1, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310963)

Actually it doesn't sound like 1984 to me, more "Brave New World" where we basically drown in info overload. Considering that now one can live their life with all the info tailor made for whatever myopic view they have and you can have damned near anything fed ex to your doorstep so you never even have to leave your cave?

"You sharpen the human appetite to the point where it can split atoms with its desire; you build egos the size of cathedrals; fiber-optically connect the world to every eager impulse; grease even the dullest dreams with these dollar-green, gold-plated fantasies, until every human becomes an aspiring emperor, becomes his own God... and where can you go from there? "

Re:Yep. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311259)

. Considering that now one can live their life with all the info tailor made for whatever myopic view they have

The irony of this coming from a closed-minded piece of shit like you is astounding.

Re:Yep. (-1, Redundant)

cjjjer (530715) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311371)

The irony of this coming from a closed-minded piece of shit like you is astounding.

The irony of this coming from an Anonymous Coward piece of shit like you is astounding.

The answer is in the question (Re:Yep) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39312771)

"... until every human becomes an aspiring emperor, becomes his own God... and where can you go from there? "

God made flesh is christ, savior and world-redeemer

HTH HAND

Re:Yep. (1)

arisvega (1414195) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311569)

That's not the same thing at all as the dystopian vision you portend.

Yes, I agree: it is a completely different dystopian version, as is anything less than The Happy Hunting Grounds- but if you carry any tablet there, you 'll be laughed at at the door. By mountain Lions.

Re:Yep. (1)

noh8rz2 (2538714) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311643)

dude, you better buy iPads, or else you'll end up like this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXx3f3bx4gs [youtube.com] . I assure you, nobody but hardcore motogoog heads want a tablet made by ASUS. Protip - last generation iPads are $400.

Re:Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311693)

Wait, you are signing up your family for google's voyeurism?

Re:yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310891)

Sigh. So I suppose that waiting for a low-price tablet is a BAD thing? I suppose wanting to be able to browse the web without having to turn on an energy-sucking desktop is a BAD thing?

Holy crap, take off the tinfoil.

Re:yes! (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312525)

Well... If that's your problem, you have bigger ones...

Re:yes! (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#39313491)

If those are the actual effects _on_you_, I strongly recommend suicide as you are wasting useful oxygen.

Google is going for low price (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310697)

Which hurts the quality of the product and hardware. This has been a huge problem with Android - customers don't really know if they get a good product or not. When they get iPad or iPhone they know exactly that they will love the experience. Android ecosystem is a complete mess.

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310733)

The bottom line is that Pads are going to replace TV. Going for low price is capitalistic way isn't it?

Besides, I prefer a bit of mess over tightly controlled, expenisve you-can-do-only-what-we-tell-you Apple style.
One of the good things of my TV is that I can choose the program to watch. I can even watch the program in language I do not understand.

This message was written on MacBookPro.

Re:Google is going for low price (5, Funny)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311061)

The bottom line is that Pads are going to replace TV.

Are you insane? First, a 50" tablet is way too big to carry around. Second, the battery life would be absolutely terrible. Third, I like surround-sound.

Re:Google is going for low price (2)

MrDoh! (71235) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312257)

Not replace for watching that same content, but by using more time up. Instead of sitting there passively watching... whatever, I've noticed my wife can't sit there and just have the TV on. She'll have the ipad on her lap, browsing Facebook, playing some daft word game. The shows change but it's more background noise than actual watching. THAT'S how tablets are.. not replacing for now, supplementing is probably fairer to say.

If you used to spend (x) amount of time watching TV, how much time do you use a tablet? Do you subtract that time from TV watching?

Re:Google is going for low price (2)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312469)

She's watching the wrong kind of stuff on TV, then. I'll have my laptop out if I'm watching the news or my roommate has a game on, but when Breaking Bad or SoA is on, I'm glued to that screen.

Re:Google is going for low price (5, Interesting)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310745)

Actually I'll call bullshit on this and for a good reason: I recently purchased an Asus Zenbook UX21. Up untill this point I have never purchased Asus gear and have always gone for Toshiba and Fujitsu notebooks which have never let me down. But this Zenbook was preposteriously inexepensive, exactly the form factor I needed, and immediately available so I went for it. I'm so glad I did - I love the thing. It's well constructed and has killer hardware, the screen is nice, the keyboard is nice, it even looks nice. There are some small complaints about it sure but they are negligable unless I want to spend twice the price for a Toshiba Ultrabook (which looks fantastic, but basically the same specs + some minor polish and a few bells and whistles at 2x the price).

If anyone can pull off a great Android tablet on a budget it's Asus.

Re:Google is going for low price (2)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310897)

I think I agree. I bought two Asus netbooks (different generations) and both have been nothing but flawless in every aspect.

Re:Google is going for low price (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312269)

True. I'd never bothered with Asus before either, but seeing how well made the EEE Transformer is, and how they're pushing the designs for newer tablets/laptops AND how they're supporting their equipment with updates, I'll be looking at them for future purchases. I know they've been around for ages, but looks like they're really stepping up and taking a spot in the usual line up of machines.

Re:Google is going for low price (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310761)

Your stance is exactly why Apple can charge so outrageous prices for their products and get away with it.

Seriously, most Android phones are excellent, are fast enough for their purpose and are well built. How many have you tried?

When people compare Android phones to iPhones they often compare the CHEAPEST model to to the most expensive phone on the market! FAIL - try comparing a midrange price Android to an iPhone... most like 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the iPhone. Believe me, that phone just works.

Go away, Apple fan boy.

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311227)

The iPhone is the most expensive phone on the market, what? I'd say its middle of the road, and the 4S is definitely well positioned against the Samsung Galaxy 2. Samsung will release the Galaxy 3 sooner or later upping the anti, the cycle repeats.

Go away. Android fan boy.

-- an Android user, but fanboy of no corporation.

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39313541)

Obviously the iPhone is not the most expensive phone on the market, but if you look at (for instance) subsidized phones from AT&T [att.com] , the most expensive phone they have is an iPhone 4S 64GB for $399 (with contract, of course). The second most expensive phone they have is a tie between the Samsung Galaxy Note and the iPhone 4S 32GB ($299). The cheapest, 16GB iPhone 4S is $199, which is the highest price of any other phone they offer (a few Androids and a Windows Phone). They do offer the two and a half year old iPhone 3GS for $0.99 (which honestly is good enough for a lot of people), but other than that, it is entirely fair to say that iPhones are very expensive, considering recent models are the first, second (tied), and third (tied) most expensive phones from the most expensive carrier in the US.

It's about the software (4, Insightful)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310773)

Actually it's quite the opposite. Every device Google has had a personal hand in designing has been one perfect experience after the other. It is typically the handset manufacturers who are unable to code decent software, then the carriers who load the devices up with junk that ruin the experience.

I have an ancient phone, yet I run CM9 on it. It is far smoother than phones twice as expensive, rather new, and spouting features like dual core processors depending on who had a hand in making the software.

I for one am excited about what google can come up with in this partnership.

Re:It's about the software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311069)

Your definition of perfect doesn't match mine. There is a nasty bug in the Nexus S which causes BT to sometimes not discover the MAC address and assign a random one, which results in your paried devices not working. Google knows about it, they dropped the ball and blamed it on Samsung. Samsung knows about it, they don't give a shit. I tried to fix it myself but, guess what, the BT part is a proprietary piece of shit binary blob!

If a truly open tablet comes out I will buy it. Android is not an OS I'm willing to use again. Switched my phone to a Nokia N9 and could not be happier. On the plus side I don't have to worry about Google spying on everything I do.

--
mchurch

Re:It's about the software (2)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311437)

I use lots of Bluetooth devices. You could almost call me a Bluetooth fan boy if there was such a thing and never not once has my Nexus S exhibited the behavior you are describing. And that is on a stock ROM. Not everything is perfect but you could cite examples of bugs in every device ever invented. I've been very happy with my S during the course of its life and only replaced it when the much superior Galaxy Nexus was released.

Re:Google is going for low price (4, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310785)

Oh yeah, Android is horribly fragmented into camps that like physical keyboards or not, HD cams or no, front facing cams or not, items in pink, blue or prints.

Android vendors have better margins even than Apple, and that's saying something. I enjoy choosing, so I like the mess that Android is.

Re:Google is going for low price (-1, Troll)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310933)

Oh yeah, Android is horribly fragmented into camps that like physical keyboards or not, HD cams or no, front facing cams or not, items in pink, blue or prints.

...camps that like to get OS updates late, and those who like to not get OS updates at all. Camps that want to buy from a single store, and camps that want malware. Camps that want clunky software, and camps that want carrier shovelware.

Android vendors have better margins even than Apple, and that's saying something.

What exactly is it that you are saying? That Androids are more cheaply made than iPhones, or Androids are overpriced compared with iPhones?

Re:Google is going for low price (4, Insightful)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311573)

It may not fit your preference for the carefully curated device and I do see advantages to the Apple way but consumers like choice even if it does effect app compatibility which is what this is really all about. People like low prices and some Androids deliver that. People like hardware keyboards and some Androids deliver that. People like huge honking screens (me!) and Android delivers on that as well. Hell, there are even nut balls that like Android on their wristwatch (what? Like you don't think its cool) and yes, judging by the rooted Motorola ACTV sitting on my nightstand, Android has delivered. You can scream fragmentation all day long but its a hollow cry as the consumers have spoke and continue to speak to the tune of 850,000 activations a day. Now that fact may offend your delicate sensibilities but guess what? You are just one person and you don't get to tell anybody else what to think.

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311737)

consumers like choice

Consumers like small choices and dislike big choices. Give them a choice of five they'll be happy, give them a choice of 50 they'll be unhappy.

consumers have spoke and continue to speak to the tune of 850,000 activations a day.

The current success of Android is largely down two groups:

1) Want's a cheap phone. There are cheap Androids available. They are not getting a phone that is as good as an iPhone or a top of the range Android. But they are getting a cheap one.

2) Doesn't know what they want. Walks into a mobile phone store and asks for advice, or may have some idea but allows the salesman to steer them to a final choice. Carriers like Androids because they need a lower subsidy on average, and allow them to customise with branding and shovelware. Android manufacturers also pay commissions to the sales team. Between them salesmen are incentivised to push Android phones.

It's rarely about preferring Android phones. And even where it is, it's mostly an uneducated preference. When Android owners are asked whether they will buy another Android in future, most say no. Amongst iPhone owners, most say they will buy another iPhone.

There's obviously a preference for Android amongst the OSS faithful on Slashdot. But they are not at all representative.

Re:Google is going for low price (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311809)

Consumers like small choices and dislike big choices. Give them a choice of five they'll be happy, give them a choice of 50 they'll be unhappy.

By that logic the iDevices are just more choice. What would you suggest we do? Take them off the market?

The current success of Android is largely down two groups:

Believe whatever you need to feel better about your own choice. Its your delusion. Normal people will continue getting what they want and ignoring the platform zealots like yourself.

This is untrue (1)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 2 years ago | (#39313093)

It's rarely about preferring Android phones. And even where it is, it's mostly an uneducated preference. When Android owners are asked whether they will buy another Android in future, most say no. Amongst iPhone owners, most say they will buy another iPhone.

This is just not true.

"83 percent of current iPhone users intend to buy an iPhone again this holiday season; 81 percent of Android OS users said the same."

Source:
http://allthingsd.com/20111212/youth-is-wasted-on-the-young-and-so-are-consumer-electronics/ [allthingsd.com]

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311601)

camps that like to get OS updates late, and those who like to not get OS updates at all. Camps that want to buy from a single store, and camps that want malware. Camps that want clunky software, and camps that want carrier shovelware.

Exactly. Isn't it nice to be able to choose a phone not in those camps?

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311151)

Yeah, I like the fragmentation camps like "Angry Birds doesn't function on device X but is ok on Device Y except with a different bug at a different point. Device Z doesn't have either one of these problems but device Z doesn't support some other app like NetFlix."
 
I love that kind of fragmentation. That's why I left Android and I'm never going back.

Re:Google is going for low price (1)

Gonoff (88518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310837)

Price is a pretty major selling factor. That is called good capitalist practice.

There are a number of things I want out of a tablet

1. Not Apple
2. Sensible price (as in #1)
3. Configurable (as in #1)
4. Not from a company that sees legal action as the prime means of dealing with competition (as in #1)
5. Powerful
6. Well made

Why is number 1 there? I don't want something that is seen by some as an essential fashion accessory. I would rather do without. By a long way, not everyone who buys from Apple buys for that reason. I just to not want to be associated with that group that does.

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310871)

1. Apple
2. Price not too bad, since i got it via my bank offering it to boost their app uptake
3. Jailbreak it. Plus what kind of config do I need?
4. Halfway there with you on this one. But doesn't any company have the right to protect their IP? Apple is not patent trolling in my book
5. The iPad is plenty powerfull. The MHz wars are long gone
6. I have yet to see anyone beat Apple's build quality. Anything else feels plasticy to me

T

Re:Google is going for low price (4, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310927)

I don't want something that is seen by some as an essential fashion accessory. I would rather do without.

So, you're allowing your choice to be influenced by what others think of the brand. You might think that's anti-fashion, but actually, that's fashion.

I just to not want to be associated with that group that does.

You are following the fashion, every bit as much as punks who said their choice was about not wanting to be associated with glam rockers.

Your list is just a way of justifying the fashion choice you've made. Just as a punk might have listed everything they found wrong with glam rock.

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Gonoff (88518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311039)

Nobody in a developed society can avoid being affected by fashion. A lot of people out of it are as well. I am wearing what I like - jeans, trainers and a rugby shirt (haven't played in decades). This is all affected by fashion. I avoid wearing certain types of fashion because they fit my self image and even beliefs and preferences. (It is a Scotland rugby shirt for example.)

None of them are "fashionable" though. There is a difference.

My fashion choice, as you style it, is to be different from people who want the latest shiny thing because it is shiny - not because of what it can do. It will limit what I choose but I am familiar with this sort of limitation. That is why I am not wearing an Italy rugby shirt. My choices identify me for what I like or am

Re:Google is going for low price (0, Offtopic)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311275)

None of them are "fashionable" though.

Of course they're fashionable - for guys of your type. Frock coats, breeches, codpieces, they're no longer fashionable, but once were.

My fashion choice, as you style it, is to be different from people who want the latest shiny thing because it is shiny

And what you reveal with that statement is that YOU are the one that cares what devices look like ad YOU are the one who's choice is overwhelmingly about what other people think of you. You can only think that other people are like you and are buying those devices by their looks (shiny) and because of what other people will think of them.

In reality most people are far less influenced by fashion than you are. And i* devices are being bought because people see that they can do a lot with them, and yet they are easy and pleasant to use.

Re:Google is going for low price (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312177)

Your choice to not buy something (regardless of what it can do) simply because other people buy it is just as irrational as people who do buy it because other people do.

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311001)

Why is number 1 there? I don't want something that is seen by some as an essential fashion accessory. I would rather do without. By a long way, not everyone who buys from Apple buys for that reason. I just to not want to be associated with that group that does.

So you're a hipster. Well fucking done!

As Basil said, you're allowing the perceived purchasing reasons of other people to guide your decisions. Grab yourself a can of Pabst and have a think about the kind of person you are. Feel good, or or kind of hollow and irrational? Yeah, why not slip in to a hot bath - take the beer with you. Let a handful of phenobarbital and the soothing water take you away to a nicer place.

Re:Google is going for low price (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311473)

So you're a hipster. Well fucking done!

Just because you can attach some trendy label (see what I did ) to someone doesn't make there opinion invalid. If you have a rational rebuttal then give it but insulting him just makes you look like a bully. And if you can't rebut him then either he is just giving his opinion which he's entitled to or he's giving facts in which case why are you arguing anyway? Maybe you need to crack open that Blue Ribbon.

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311665)

doesn't make there opinion invalid.

No, but using "there" instead of "their" does.

    If you have a rational rebuttal then give it but insulting him just makes you look like a bully.

Except the reply was pointing out that the person in question was every bit as fashion concious as the very people he was putting down, only the OP felt that they wanted something "different".

Just like every other hipster.

And if you can't rebut him then either he is just giving his opinion which he's entitled to

The person replying is also entitled to their opinion. Not all opinions are valid and some are downright hypocritical.

Like the OP.

Maybe you need to crack open that Blue Ribbon.

Calm down dear, it's only a forum.

Re:Google is going for low price (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311751)

No, but using "there" instead of "their" does.

I'm typing this on a tablet with auto correct but apparently not a grammar checker. Being a spelling/grammar nazi is about a half step above "your mom" in a debate, btw.

Except the reply was pointing out that the person in question was every bit as fashion concious as the very people he was putting down, only the OP felt that they wanted something "different".

Just like every other hipster.

So? Did a Hipster fart in your Cheereos this morning? And since you so gleefully point out my errors, learn to spell conscious.

The person replying is also entitled to their opinion. Not all opinions are valid and some are downright hypocritical.

Like the OP.

The opinion that boils down to basically "my opinion is basically that your opinion is wrong" is one of the exceptions to the all opinions being equally valid rule.

Calm down dear, it's only a forum.

You should definitely take your own advice.

Re:Google is going for low price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39312993)

You realize that the Google assholes don't let you rent movies on rooted devices, right? How's that for open?

--
Marcan, asshole [mailto] and proud.

Is Kindle Fire poor quality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311343)

The Fire is may not be as high-end as an iPad 3, but is it fair to call it poor quality?

Re:Google is going for low price (2)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312315)

What they need is a good viral advertising campaign.

7 inches... it's coming.

ASUS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310731)

Looking at ASUS' previous tablets it shouldn't be too bad. What I wonder about, is the specs. It can't take on the iPad with Fire-like specifications.

Re:ASUS (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311507)

It can't take on the iPad with Fire-like specifications.

Actually it can and for two reasons. First of all, it isn't competing in the same price range as the iPad and judging from the success of the Fire and Nook, there are millions of budget conscious tablet buyers and there are likely many millions more. Secondly the specs of the Fire are fine. It's just loaded down with Amazon's UI gunk and an older build of Android that doesn't have the modern features of Ice Cream Sandwich and soon to be released Jelly Bean. The biggest issue being lack of video acceleration in the Fire. My Nexus s has this and with inferior specs to my GF's Fire it runs rings around it. Some people have installed ics on their Fires and reported marked improvements in performance. With the right mix of marketing, hardware and price here Google and Asus could have a very compelling proposition for the consumer and I'm excited to see what they will do.

Linux Trojan: Linux/Bckdr-RKC: Is it SPOOK ware? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310739)

Linux Trojan: Linux/Bckdr-RKC 02-2012

Links and details, almost a story in and of itself:

--- http://pastebin.com/DwtX9dMd [pastebin.com]

"This search for the origin of this malware has possibly raised more questions than provided answers. But one thing is for certain - the network framework for this malware has definitely been in place for some time."

"This is not the work of a "fly-by-night" script kiddy. Careful planning has been taken to not only develop this malware, but also to establish the hosting this malware would be using - and hide its true origins."

======

""Linux Trojan: Linux/Bckdr-RKC 02-2012

It's definitely interesting and although not unexpected, you get the feeling of why was this not detected in a different form a some time ago.

That is the code shows that the person who wrote the code is very far from being inexperianced. Such experiance comes in only two ways,

1, Trial and error
2, Highly specific education

And if the second the "ability" of the teachers works it's way back to the trial and error aproach, which all mankinds "hard" knowledge in science and engineering is ultimatly derived from (even theoretical physics is based on the work of experimental physicists as Newton knew well).

Now this raises the question of where and when the learning experiments were carried out...

This could have only been in one of two places,

1, In Public.
2, In Private.

If in public you would expect such experiments to have kicked one or two tripewires and set off other alarms. Such events generaly produce "noise" in one form or another which would have attracted a crowd who would "spread the news" in one form or another. Thus if there is no noise recognisably linked to it, it raises questions as to why not.

But what if the experiments were "in private" what are the implications of this?

Well there are many but one is large well funded resources which has implications as to the size and nature of the backing organisation.

Which is where we have to tread very carefully on the analysis. Ken appears to have made a jump off of the deep end and that has coloured his thinking.

The finding of the Chinese language tag does not mean anything more that somebody set it at some point for some reason.

Ken has chosen to believe that it means the person speaks Chinese. Whilst this may be true it might also be there for other reasons including those of "false flag" operations.

The following on to the "China Town owend cleaning business" again does not of necesity mean anything (it's nebulous at best) but then again it could well be a smoking gun to a foreign intel operation or a false flag operation...

Which brings us around to the response of the AV companies. Is it simply that they have set it at a low priority for economic reasons or have they been "warned off" in some way...

And if it is "warned off" (unlikely but not impossible) is it by an intel organisation to stop their false flag op being blown or by an LEA trying to stop it's investigation into foreign espionage or organised crime activity being blown... and how do you tell the difference?

When you enter into a world of shadows, smoke and mirrors you have to tread with care lest your mind deceives you and sets your feet upon the wrong path.

One of the reasons investigating human activity is difficult is they often chose to veil their activities either to stop discovery or such that others will be blaimed.

Another is arguing back from effect to cause is at best problemetical, the clasic example being a positive swab for nitrates from your hand, does it mean you've been handeling explosives or does it mean you cooked bacon for breakfast or played cards with an old pack of cards the night before (an innocent man died in jail in the UK because of this very issue)?

It's why forensic activities although involving science are not science just the art of making threads that investigators and prosecuters can weave into a tapestry to hold up before a collection of lay persons to decide another persons fate...

And at the moment I'm treating the Chinese language tag as not even circumstantial evidence because importantly we have no knowledge of what it relates to.

As the hunt goes on that knowledge may become known and it may be indicative of Chinese Backers state or criminal or it may be indicative of somebody using somebody elses code or false flag activities."

Posted by: Clive Robinson at March 10, 2012 3:33 AM"

- https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/03/friday_squid_bl_317.html#c718532 [schneier.com]
-- https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/03/friday_squid_bl_317.html [schneier.com]

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""Linux/Bckdr-RKC and Duqu Links? Food for Thought.
I can't put my finger on it, but after looking at this article on the mystery of the Duqu Framework, and looking at my publicly posted decompilation of Linux/Bckdr-RKC, something strikes me as very familiar between the two.

I've sent this to Kaspersky, so we'll see if they get back to me on it.

Can you see any similarities? If so, please share!""

- http://caffeinesecurity.blogspot.com/2012/03/linuxbckdr-rkc-and-duqu-links-food-for.html [blogspot.com]

Re:Linux Trojan: Linux/Bckdr-RKC: Is it SPOOK ware (0)

miknix (1047580) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310807)

Nice scare attempt but from your own link:

The malware is installed from a compromised system after cracking a SSH server's root password, in the path /etc/.xsyslog

If somebody cracks into a ssh root shell, this trojan is the least of your concerns. Anyway, I believe nobody is letting ssh root logins nowadays. Also, what does this have to do with TFA?

Re:Linux Trojan: Linux/Bckdr-RKC: Is it SPOOK ware (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312139)

Mod parent up. If you've lost root, well, erm, whoever has the password has full control, why bother installing a trojan?
Seems silly to me - just install whatever payload you need, customize it to the compromized box.

Already a failure (1, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310747)

Android needs Horsepower and memory. 1 gig ram, dual core 1.2ghz processor, and at LEAST a 1024x768 screen res to be any real competition.

If this does not have all of those, it is a failure as I can buy one of the other android tablets from a better company name, you can get the Samsung or Motorola tablets at Staples for $299-$399 right now and I know that hardware is better than ASUS.

Come on ASUS, you guys used to know what you were doing. Now it's a year late and a processor core short.

Re:Already a failure (4, Informative)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310789)

you can get the Samsung or Motorola tablets at Staples for $299-$399 right now and I know that hardware is better than ASUS.

Sure the hardware is better, but it won't run anywhere near as well. If Samsung and Motorola have shown just one thing it's that they lack any competent programmers. I really did enjoy watching the dramas with RobustFS that Samsung released on their phones. You know you could quadruple and then some the I/O performance on the Galaxy S simply by converting the partition to ext4?

Yes at the time the Galaxy S was quite mean hardware. Yet the version of Eclair they shipped was about the only version of Android that I have seen which would force close apps because they were taking too long to load due to the OS overhead. The only good thing Samsung ever did was not lock down the bootloader on their devices. Although I'm not sure they did this out of kindness but rather their engineers were too dumb to figure out how.

Re:Already a failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310879)

LOL did RFS really stand for Robust File System? This should be +5 Hilarious

Re:Already a failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310803)

Funny, I didn't see anything in TFA about specs. In fact, here (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-57393947-64/google-asus-to-hook-up-on-7-inch-android-tablet-says-report/) they are saying it will have a quad-core processor.

Re:Already a failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310885)

Motorola better than ASUS? In what planet?

Re:Already a failure (3, Informative)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310901)

Come on ASUS, you guys used to know what you were doing. Now it's a year late and a processor core short.

Not sure where you're getting your hardware specs from as tfa says the hardware is unconfirmed at this point.

Re:Already a failure (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311397)

Unless you're from the future there is no possible way you can pronounce something a failure that you have never even laid your hands on or seen. Who farted in your cereal this morning?

Re:Already a failure (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312131)

Well, TFA says 1280x800. And 1.2 ghz processor is pretty much a given, there's almost nothing they could equip it with these days slower than that. 1.5 or 1.8 is more likely. 1 gig ram seems pretty likely too. So it seems this device has pretty good odds of delivering what you want.

fifa: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310797)

First time accepted submitter Sez Zero writes

should be:

Google shill plant Sez Zero spews

Android vs Linux performance? (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310821)

Has anyone seen an Android vs Linux performance comparison?

Android on tablets may actually be a nice sneak gate to native Linux usage on tablets.

Re:Android vs Linux performance? (2)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310853)

By what metric? Given that Android uses a Linux kernel and similar drivers there are many parts of the system which should be equal in speed (thinking file system performance). But then there's also parts of Android that would be majorly let down in performance terms (such as UI rendering on pre ICS models which didn't support hardware acceleration nor give the UI a high thread priority).

asus and tablets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310873)

I will believe it when I see it. Asus has a history of announcing multiple designs with different price points, then only delivering a small number of what was announced months later than specified.

HUGE Security Resource - version 5000 - 03/06/12 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310875)

HUGE Security Resource
- version 5000 - 03/06/12
http://pastebin.com/Cm2ZHuz3 [pastebin.com]

As previously featured on Cryptome.org's front page for security resources.

Goosus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39310951)

I can't wait to use my new Goosus pad!

GPS? (1)

Dr.Dubious DDQ (11968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39310985)

Maybe I'm weird, but aside from not caring until they hit <$200, the main thing missing from tablets that I might otherwise be interested in is GPS. If I buy a tablet, I want to be able to use it as a portable map (with better resolution than "you're somewhere within a mile or so of here") and maybe the occasional "augmented reality" application (e.g. Mixare [mixare.org] ). That's not ALL I'd want it for, of course, but its lack drops a tablet below my level of interest. Am I the only one? (And am I mistaken, or would adding GPS add no more than perhaps $2 to the marginal cost of each tablet these days?)

Re:GPS? (2)

kwardroid (1466409) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311217)

"And am I mistaken, or would adding GPS add no more than perhaps $2 to the marginal cost of each tablet these days?"

Don't know about the costs, but all gps enabled devices I have seem to have the GPS and 3G "glued together" on 1 chip. I guess it's to get AGPS to work. Adding a standalone GPS might be cheap, but it will take ages to get a fix.

Re:GPS? (1)

tgeek (941867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311225)

As you say, adding a GPS radio to a tablet would probably only marginally increase the cost. But the deal breaker for the manufacturers is the big drain on battery life. And that seems to be a huge bullet item on the marketing spec sheets. Personally, GPS is a feature I want and if the tablet doesn't have an important feature I want, then really battery life becomes irrelevant to me. I guess I'm not an average consumer . . .

Re:GPS? (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312167)

To be honest, you're right. Not to mention most tablets have horrible battery life anyway.
I'd love to see someone add an extra 1/4 or even 1/2 inches to the thickness of a given device and cover the thing with another 20aH of capacity. Enough to run apps for several days if not a week or more!

Re:GPS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39312337)

The nice thing about GPS on Android is that it's only a battery hit when you use it, and you rarely actually use it. The GPS toggle in Android doesn't actually turn GPS on, it only gives apps the permission to turn GPS on. Almost any application that uses GPS for location just grabs the location then turns GPS back off. Unless you're doing navigation, even if you use maps and location-aware apps all day the total time the GPS is on adds up to maybe minutes if not less. Even most apps that track you just ping the location occasionally and don't read it constantly. GPS is only a big drain if you're constantly doing navigation.

Re:GPS? (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312195)

GPS costs a bit more than $2. But the big problem is that it's slow. You can get around that by putting in a cellular radio too, but that costs even more.

You CAN get your map if you want. Either buy a tablet with a 3G radio and a GPS, or buy one without and a GPS tracker with a bluetooth connection.

Google scares me (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311145)

I don't want Google following my every move more than they already do.

Re:Google scares me (2)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311523)

There many things to worry about in this world all the way up with the existential things like war and famine. Getting ads that might actually show me something that appeals to me in exchange for the great things Google provides I'd pretty far down on my list of fears. Matter of fact I'll have to check but I'm pretty sure it didn't even make the cut.

Finally; Hopefully Google and Asus Delivers (3, Interesting)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311361)

I have a Xoom and an iPad. When the Xoom had HC on it the iPad got a lot of use as Honeycomb was a little too raw. But the day ICS as installed on this device the iPad was sat down and hasn't been picked up since. The experience has been wonderful. Even this tegra2 flies with Android 4.0 on it. All of the apps I have ever looked for have been available even apps to mmake apps right on the device itself. How cool is that? Nothing as complex as a modern smartphone or tablet will ever be perfect but the TMobile Nexus S and now Verizon Galaxy Nexus have been nothing short of superb. Fast fluid stable fun. Every Thing I've wanted in one of these devices and I've used them all. In my collection I have an iPad an HD7 windows phone, a Nokia N770 mid, and several Android devices.

Android OEMs have struggled by themselves but with Google's help and Asus' engineering they could come up with something really great at a price point that is easily palatable by people not well off enough to afford 4 and 5 hundred dollar plus devices.The naysayers should wait until something is delivered before throwing irrational hate at a piece of circuitry and glass they've never even touched.

YAT (-1, Redundant)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311457)

Just what we need, yet another 7" tablet in a market that is already flooded.

Re:YAT (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311607)

You could always just not buy it. You could probably completely ignore it and be just fine.

Re:YAT (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312143)

Or they can stop irritating me. Its all about me.

Re:YAT (1)

pseudofrog (570061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311805)

Oh no I'm being overwhelmed with choices!

Re:YAT (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312119)

Choices can be good in concept, but a market flood of them just dilutes things and you end up with a lot of crap with nothing being of any real value.

Re:YAT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39312421)

Any geek worth his weight in human computer design gold can tell you that too many choices is bad. There has been tons of research showing that too many choices does overwhelm, frustrate, and reduce a persons ability to make decisions. Maybe 2-8 choices are cool, but a flooded market is a nightmare to navigate.

This is even more difficult for the average consumer who has no idea about this stuff. They look at two factors - pricing and marketing.

For the typical consumer, this is indeed a problem. Especially, when they are looking for "help" with their device. Most consumers have no idea about all the different flavors or brands. With all due respect to the iFanBoys, but there is a reason iProducts are number one and the technology isn't it. Granted the technology shouldn't be that devastatingly buggy, but for most consumers its the marketing over the product any day. Most people just brush off flaws and adapt to them anyway. With a new product especially, people just tend to judge products based on their initial experiences. This is why going from Windows to any other OS, just feels strange and people judge other Oses based off of what they know about Windows. If it doesn't "feel" like Windows, it becomes hard and difficult to work with.

Ok I'm done ranting for the day. :) Too many choices, isn't always good.

Re:YAT (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39313385)

Maybe 2-8 choices are cool, but a flooded market is a nightmare to navigate.

You must go apoplectic in the cereal aisle.

Part of me wonders... (1)

LiroXIV (2362610) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311521)

Are they going to make it part of the Nexus series? Lemme see... Nexus Slate? Nexus Tab?

Yes? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311777)

Another Android Tablet? Another device that will eat batteries like a monster? no, thanks. I'll keep with Apple and the new wonderful iPad.

Re:Yes? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#39312153)

The tablet with the best battery life is running Android [engadget.com] . Try to keep up so you don't look silly next time.

U.S.-Only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39311837)

non-US residents please move along...

Slashdot just published a survey conducted under 25,000 Canadian tablet users re their preference for the Kindle Fire vs. the Google Pad. 24,999 didn't care because it's not friggin' available in their country.

no one wants low res tablets (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 2 years ago | (#39311981)

Apple got one thing right on ipad3 ... high res. High enough for movie playback to have acceptable quality at last. Manufacturers figure it out: there is a large segment of the population waiting for tablets that do at least 1080p natively so they can be used to watch movies.

Vitriol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39312057)

What's up with the rabid anti-Android vitriol? I get it, you love Apple and hate Android. Now please move along so we can get back to guessing what sort of specs it'll have, what ICS on a tablet will be like, if it's worth rooting, etc.

Re:Vitriol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39313295)

Don't worry, he's getting his ass handed to him. BasilBrush too. Facts'll do that.

The Perfect Shitty Size (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39313107)

Too small for useful use and too large to be portable. Awesome.

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