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Profile of a Real-Life Jedi Academy

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the mind-tricks-for-manhattan-landlords dept.

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dkleinsc writes "The NYTimes ran a profile of the New York Jedi Club, an organization dedicated to teaching the ways of the Force. Jedi Grandmaster Flynn Michael, a sound engineer and (by his own proclamation) an 'over-the-top geek,' connected the ideas of the Jedi with dance, martial arts, sword-fighting and Tibetan Buddhism to form the curriculum."

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Why not just have sex? (0, Troll)

ProgrammerJulia (2589195) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317137)

Why are you interested in some jedi stuff when you could be having sex and a real nice girlfriend?

She's your sister .. (4, Funny)

roguegramma (982660) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317145)

Well, because of that.

Re:She's your sister .. (4, Funny)

Aryden (1872756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317153)

Master the force and you can have sex with all the hotties you want... Why do you think the dark side is so damned popular?

Re:She's your sister .. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317229)

Force? At least in L.A. they call it "roofies"...

Re:She's your sister .. (1)

Egyptoid (2588033) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317865)

with the Rex Kwan Do self-defense system you'll be prepared to defend yourself with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

Re:She's your sister .. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39318173)

These people will not be having sex anytime in the forseeable future. They also won't be able to levitate, control objects with their mind, brainwash storm troopers, or shoot lightning. What we have here is a lose-lose situation.

Re:It's good enough (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39319665)

Actually, what they have is the start of another cult religion as well.. like scientology or mormonism... And 'Jedi' is now a legal religion in the UK, if I am not mistaken.

As for your predictions, it may be true about levitation, etc. But, training for any martial art, including the choreography and light touch of wielding a 'light saber', is excellent cardio, hand eye coordination and mental discipline. All of which translate to better health, self esteem and over all wellness... which means "more, and better, sex" than those sitting at home in the comfy chair making fun of people going out to do a physical hobby.

As someone who spent years doing SCA heavy fighting, I can assure you the workout is excellent. Then again, in heavy we wear a hundred+ pounds of steel/padded gear and wield 5-20lb rattan weapons that would break your skull. There is an old, but more or less true, story of the SCA fighter who joins the military and when it comes to training with a baton the sergeant whallops a couple students then picks the SCA fighter, who plants him several times without ever taking a hit... "Where'd you learn that... I'm an SCA Knight.. "

It wouldn't surprise me to see their jedi training accelerate to the levels of SCA heavy fighting eventually, with modified bushido-style armor, competitions and serious blows being dealt. As for now, it sounds like rapier and fencing.. both of which are fantastic exercise.

Re:It's good enough (2)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#39319965)

And 'Jedi' is now a legal religion in the UK, if I am not mistaken.

You are. A hoax went around about a decade ago, saying that if sufficient people marked "Jedi" as their religion on the census, they'd have to acknowledge it as an official religion. But it was, well, a hoax. They have to do no such thing.

Re:She's your sister .. (1)

p0p0 (1841106) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318183)

The Jedi's have to take a vow of abstinence because love is the way to the dark side. They are not really a very good religion if you consider how they held back the Republic in terms or technological advancements. The Empire put them further along in technology then the Republic did in several thousand years, mostly because of the influence of the Jedi's. So, yeah.

Re:She's your sister .. (1)

Aryden (1872756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39321149)

Wait... are you drawing parallels between Jedi and other major human religions....?

Re:Why not just have sex? (1, Troll)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317171)

Why is anyone interested in religion when they could have sex instead? Puzzles me to no end.

Priests get all the .. (1)

roguegramma (982660) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317173)

Oh well, forget it ..

Re:Why not just have sex? (3, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317315)

Considering the 3 of the main religions on earth(christianity, islam, and judaism) all treat women as second class citizens, give them no real role in said religion and force them to be ashamed of themselves for even existing it is indeed amazing at all the religion even allows sex.

seriously the only difference in their treatment of women is how much "modesty" they expect women to show.

Re:Why not just have sex? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317335)

Considering the 3 of the main religions on earth(christianity, islam, and judaism) all treat women as second class citizens, give them no real role in said religion and force them to be ashamed of themselves for even existing it is indeed amazing at all the religion even allows sex.

seriously the only difference in their treatment of women is how much "modesty" they expect women to show.

If religion doesn't allow sex, it dies off. The goal of the religion is control - the elite priesthood have a direct hotline to god and control it's practioners including their sexuality. Degrading women and controling who they procreate with while simultaneously making them feel like shit about getting any pleasure from the act or for that matter having boobs and arse and a cunt is just one of the many charming modus operandi used. It's not like men are allowed to fuck who they want with impunity either, but since the women have the babies he who controls the pussy controls the population..

Re:Why not just have sex? (2)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39320323)

Did you ever stop and think about why this biased behavior against women exists in the first place?

At the very core, human beings are still animals. Sexual dimorphism proves that. Men fight over and protect the women that are theirs. First and foremost, to ensure proper child rearing. The big three religions are about men agreeing upon who has what wife. It also provides social stability for women to know they have a single man to count on. Without such rules, nature without established morality would force men into war over this precious genetic resource. Even at our best, we still fight over women. Our art, music, entertainment, and overall culture is based on sexuality in one form or another. Men, by nature, are the dominant sex of our species. Lack of religion also leads to promiscuity which leads into question who is the father of a child. Historically, entire villages, women and children specifically have been wiped out over such feuds.

Re:Why not just have sex? (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39320363)

Let me just add something to my previous post. I find it especially ironic that as a Christian, I'm having to explain Darwinian evolution on Slashdot. Figure that one out!

Re:Why not just have sex? (0)

ubrgeek (679399) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317753)

That's an overly broad statement and not factual; it's only true of fundamentalist practitioners. With Orthodox Judaism, you're right. But the Reform and Conservative movements don't. There a women rabbis and cantors, and in some types of Christianity women pastors (I don't know if there are female imam's. Not saying there aren't, I just don't know.)

Re:Why not just have sex? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39318097)

That's an overly broad statement and not factual; it's only true of fundamentalist practitioners.

And that's like saying, "Gee whiz! All that stuff about Nazis exterminating Jews is a bit overly broad; it's only true of our fundamentalist practitioners (and ideological leaders who we draw teachings from). We've evolved since then, and now we're more into racism and intimidation."

Re:Why not just have sex? (1, Flamebait)

Oligonicella (659917) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318399)

And of course, being an AC, you felt free to attach the current subject directly to the Holocaust. Debate-wise, you just lost all perspective and therefore, the debate.

Besides that point, you went further and proclaimed both the Germans and Christians as not having opposition to the bad influences, but simply having gone along with it at best.

Then lastly, it was inevitable that you extend the false and vile analogy and proclaim that somehow, you AC, know the hearts of current Christians and wish to enlighten us as to their racism and intimidation.

At best, you are an ass. At worst, the very counter-view representation of the rant you just made.

To boil that down to /. jargon: Project much?

Re:Why not just have sex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39320659)

Godwinned.

Re:Why not just have sex? (0, Offtopic)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317899)

Considering the 3 of the main religions on earth(christianity, islam, and judaism)

Judaism is a "main religion" on Earth? The total Jewish population (that is, both the observant minority and the non-observant majority) is completely dwarfed by the amount of observant Hindus or Buddhists.

Re:Why not just have sex? (4, Informative)

ukemike (956477) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318597)

Considering the 3 of the main religions on earth(christianity, islam, and judaism)

Whoa! Dude your facts are a bit off. Judaism doesn't even make the top ten!

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.5 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million

from adherents.com

Re:Why not just have sex? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39319795)

Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

I see your point, but calling Atheism a religion is the same as calling "not collecting stamps" a hobby.

Re:Why not just have sex? (2)

grolschie (610666) | more than 2 years ago | (#39320679)

Hey, don't knock "not collecting stamps". It's a great passtime.

Re:Why not just have sex? (1)

marnues (906739) | more than 2 years ago | (#39321143)

If less than half of the world's population did not collect stamps, it certainly would be an interesting category.

Re:Why not just have sex? (1)

KeensMustard (655606) | more than 2 years ago | (#39324141)

I see your point, but calling Atheism a religion is the same as calling "not collecting stamps" a hobby.

Not really. All you have done is assume your doctrine/premise is true, then restate it a slightly cleverer way. This doesn't prove the premise at all - if we assume your "atheism == !(religion)" is unproven, then so is the "not collecting stamps" meme.

Re:Why not just have sex? (2)

maestroX (1061960) | more than 2 years ago | (#39320051)

Christianity: 2.1 billion Islam: 1.5 billion Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

Pastafarianism: 3.

Re:Why not just have sex? (4, Informative)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317287)

Ha ha.... even *I* saw this story and thought..... "NERDS!!!!!!!!!!" [youtube.com]

Er, maybe not in that voice though ;-)

Expected market demand (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317161)

What is the expected market demand for Jedi Knights? Can I take out a federal loan to pay my tuition fees?

Re:Expected market demand (2)

maroberts (15852) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317193)

What is the expected market demand for Jedi Knights? Can I take out a federal loan to pay my tuition fees?

I would suspect that demand will be high, assuming that at by 'graduation' you genuinely had all the powers of a Jedi knight (light or dark). Maybe the army would pay tuition fees to promising graduates in return for a term of service....

There are plenty of opportunites for special ops mercenaries which the Jedi could easily fulfil. Why call Delta Force or the SAS/SBS when you could hire a Jedi Graduate?

Re:Expected market demand (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | more than 2 years ago | (#39322661)

genuinely had all the powers

Except, y'know, the 2 things that people would actually *want* from it, namely The Force and a working lightsaber.

And please don't say you're talking hypothetically because you used "will" earlier in the sentence.

Re:Expected market demand (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317231)

. . . when they all end up unemployed, we will be treated with the best and wackiest "Occupy" ever!

Police Batons vs. Jedi Lightsabers
Gas Masks vs. Darth Vader Masks
. . . and then the little kid Darth Vader stops the Volkswagen Police Van

. . . More Profit for George Lucas!

Re:Expected market demand (1)

Oligonicella (659917) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318415)

Thank you for this visual. Truly. I shall periodically sit back and run it today. Then I shall smile.

My mind sees it as a cross between the videos of the Chicago Riots and those geek fight clubs where they basically approach each other backwards waving their weapon wildly.

Guess who wins.

Re:Expected market demand (4, Interesting)

Mannfred (2543170) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317273)

The expected market demand for Jedi Knights is probably marginally less than the expected market demand for philosophers in general - yet this doesn't stop people from studying philosophy for misc reasons.

However, in this case it seems like the primary goal is simply to provide exercise/dance classes with a bit of a Sci-Fi/philo twist (Sci-Phi?), and there's definitively a market demand for fitness courses/instructors. If this niche inspires a few couch potatoes to exercise more than they otherwise would, why not?

Re:Expected market demand (4, Insightful)

metlin (258108) | more than 2 years ago | (#39321875)

Do not mock philosophy. It provides a framework for understanding how the human mind works and establishes the roots behind our social, political, and economic norms.

Simple things such as what constitutes human rights or morality are much more complex than you'd imagine (e.g. consider Michael J. Perry's view: Are human rights ineliminably religious, or is there a secular version of human rights that uphold our existence with the same amount of dignity and sanctity?). The answers to such questions play a role in a lot of things (e.g. the UN Charter of Human Rights, the Geneva Convention, creation and interpretation of laws etc).

And speaking of laws, what about justice? If it fairness, or is it deterrence, or both? Where does one draw the line? Where do ethics come in? Can you legislate ethics? Why, or why not? For instance, try reading John Rawl's Theory of Justice one of these days, and you will not look at law the same way ever again.

Most people who've studied philosophy (that I know of) are doing quite well, having gone on to work in law, anthropology, sociology, or even economics (e.g. Amartya Sen was awarded the Nobel memorial prize in economics for bringing a moral and ethical worldview to an otherwise transactional dominion). Having taken graduate classes in philosophy, I can guarantee you that philosophy requires good reading and writing comprehension, logical and analytical skills, and an ability for independent thought. In contrast, I am not exactly sure what skills being a "Jedi" knight from a fictional movie grant you.

Sounds like a geek friendly exercise environment (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317191)

I know this looks like a joke, but dance & martial arts disguised as a game would do everyone good.
I've been a couch potato for most of my life, and now that I'm regularly training I've both healthier and happier.
The difficulty is finding a venue where it's not meat heads posing in front of mirrors and hitting on girls.
Personally I find Kettlebell training to be a non-posing good environment.

Re:Sounds like a geek friendly exercise environmen (1)

Oligonicella (659917) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318427)

"I know this looks like a joke, but dance & martial arts disguised as a game would do everyone good."

You mean like Ti Bo?

Zen (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317225)

I always thought of Jedis being more of a Japanese Zen type of thing - not that it makes much of a difference in Buddhism. The differences in Buddhist traditions are just cultural; such as how the Buddha looks and the decorations of the temples and meditation halls and whether they chant more, and meditation posture - little things that really don't matter. The practice and the teachings are identical and orthopraxy over orthodoxy. I know a few Buddhists who based on their schedule will go to different meditation halls of differing traditions.

Once when I had to address the sangha, I start off with, "If reincarnation existed ..."

That's like saying in church, "If God exists ..."

No one batted an eye. Been going ever since. And no, I still think reincarnation doesn't exist. Read too much Michael Shermer.

Re:Zen (3, Informative)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317271)

if you read too much Michael Shermer, why do you keep going to a temple? You should become James Randi's pupil or something.

BTW there are more than just superficial cultural differences between Buddhism sects. For instance you have the ones that still believe it's possible to achieve enlightenment -- including recall and mastery over your past lives -- through your own study and efforts. Then you have the other kind that that gave up -- they're basically praying for Buddha's second coming so that he will take you to the pure land (since you can't find your own way).

The former is not really a religion, more like a philosophy and a set of instructions (which is what Buddhism originally was). The latter is closer to modern religions such as Christianity and Islam.

Re:Zen (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317341)

if you read too much Michael Shermer, why do you keep going to a temple? You should become James Randi's pupil or something.

Because when you take the supernatural stuff as metaphor, there are some valuable lessons in it.

And it has really helped my concentration, emotional well being and they have the best Chinese vegetarian food ever!

Then you have the other kind that that gave up -- they're basically praying for Buddha's second coming so that he will take you to the pure land (since you can't find your own way).

I have heard folks say similar things - then the Abbess corrects them. At least where I go, they are very careful to correct non-Buddhist beliefs; including hammering in that we're not worshiping the Buddha.

Re:Zen (4, Interesting)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317281)

I'm not sure about this. Zen has a long tradition of challenging established ideas and substituting direct experience. As a Quaker I feel a strong affinity to Zen. The Quaker experience of testimony in meetings is very similar to the Zen requirement not to say anything till you have something of Zen to say. The Tea Ceremony is as pared down as a Quaker Meeting. On the other hand, the affinity between, say, the Roman Catholic Church and Tibetan Buddhism must immediately strike anyone who has ever studied any sociology of religion.

Zen is an anti-religion which tells us first to train, and then to trust, our instincts. (Excellent programmers and engineers, I feel, often follow Zen practice in this. Mahayana Buddhism appeals to orthodoxy in its custom and practice. The superficial similarities cover a very, very different outlook.

Typical of Zen: the teacher who delivered a lecture on the Arhats which began "The Arhats are like a dirty lavatory (meaning that the truth had been obscured by layers of rubbish applied over the years) and the other one who delivered a lecture which consisted of, in effect "The truth is all around you, open your eyes and look at it."

So: "Jedis", which are a synthetic construct (but then so are the beliefs of the Catholic Church, the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses) possibly do borrow more in outlook from Zen. But so, actually, does particle physics. Javascript: The Good Parts is a pretty Zen book. So, while I'm in this vein, is Buehler's Backyard Boatbuilding, surely one of the best project management manuals for very small teams ever written.

As for reincarnation, you can view the Buddha's teaching as telling people that the existing religions and their insistence on reincarnation were nonsense. Realising that this is the only life we have and that following the Eightfold Path is the way to make the best of it - is part of enlightenment.

Re:Zen (1)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317351)

As for reincarnation, you can view the Buddha's teaching as telling people that the existing religions and their insistence on reincarnation were nonsense. Realising that this is the only life we have and that following the Eightfold Path is the way to make the best of it - is part of enlightenment.

Listen friend, you can pick and choose parts of Buddhism that you like and incorporate them into your own philosophy, and reject things like reincarnation that you find incredible (not believable) as a Westerner. That's fine. But you cannot deny that reincarnation is fundamental to Buddhism -- which it is -- any more than you can deny the resurrection of Jesus and still be a Christian.

Well, I can, actually (4, Insightful)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317395)

Listen friend

Interestingly to me, Quakers (who call one another "Friend") do sometimes use the term as a kind of passive aggression as you do here.

The short answer is that I can and do deny that reincarnation is fundamental to Buddhism. Fundamental to Buddhism is that by right thinking and right practices we can be freed from our illusions about the world, and when we become free we see that there is no afterlife and no reincarnation, and can therefore be free of suffering. I think you are confusing certain versions of Buddhism with the teachings of the Buddha. The exact same with Christianity: You can be a fundamentalist as, sadly, so many Americans seem to be, and absorb the whole mythos and optionally the post-Roman accretions or the Protestant obsessions with complicated sin and justification. Or you can believe that Jesus was a great prophet and that his teachings can be the basis of an ethical belief system that helps people to live well - which fits the world picture of a lot of Episcopalians, Unitarians and Quakers.

As (as I note above) a Quaker and a Zen Buddhist, I think your thinking is in exactly the silo that led to that observation "The Arhats are like a dirty lavatory". You think that the accidental is fundamental.

Re:Well, I can, actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317435)

cool story bro

Re:Well, I can, actually (2)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317929)

Fundamental to Buddhism is that by right thinking and right practices we can be freed from our illusions about the world, and when we become free we see that there is no afterlife and no reincarnation, and can therefore be free of suffering. I think you are confusing certain versions of Buddhism with the teachings of the Buddha.

The very earliest attestations of Buddhism, well before the accretion of most of the mythos around the Buddha, is clear that suffering and samsara (the cycle of rebirths) are one and the same, and that the end of suffering and nirvana (the end of the cycle of rebirths) are one and the same. Nowhere in the canon did Buddha claim there is no cycle of rebirth. If you want to guess that Buddha taught exactly a way of life palatable to contemporary skeptics and this message was immediately corrupted before textual transmission, that's your right, but at least admit it's a guess.

Re:Well, I can, actually (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318999)

There is no religion of any significant size in the world that doesn't have variations in it. Ignore all of the trash that other people try to impose on you. Study spirituality and philosophy on your own and follow what you feel is right to follow.

Re:Zen (1)

dakohli (1442929) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318149)

The Buddha told all of his followers to pick and choose (not that many words). As for classic reincarnation, no he did not teach that. It is much more complicated than that. Rebirth in Buddhism is the doctrine that the evolving consciousness or stream of consciousness, upon death, becomes one of the contributing causes for the arising of a new aggregation. The consciousness in the new person is neither identical nor entirely different from that in the deceased but the two form a causal continuum or stream. [wikipedia.org]

Now I would say that reincarnation [wikipedia.org] may be fundamental in a number of Indian based religions, and the concept of rebirth is similar in Buddhism, however it is not the same thing,

Thanks for the comment (1)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318247)

I didn't want to get caught up in writing a long essay on Buddhist ideas, especially as I am no kind of expert, but I am glad that someone has provided this explanation (though of course I can't up-mod it.) I have been called out for putting my own interpretation on the Buddhist teachings (which is what we all do...but never mind) but I would like to add that this idea that consciousness, mind, soul or whatever you want to call it is in fact an emergent property of the universe with its own persistence is to be found in many places, including the novel Childhood's End by Arthur C Clarke.

"Reincarnation" is I feel too simplistic a term for the ideas in different Indian religions. The Jains, for instance, have a doctrine of reincarnation in which the thing that is reincarnated has no memory of its previous existence and passes through the chain of created beings from a stone to a God and back again, over and over. It is not reincarnation as the majority of Westerners imagine it.

Re:Zen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39319323)

))

Did he find his stolen lightsaber? (3, Informative)

Giorgio Maone (913745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317241)

Re:Did he find his stolen lightsaber? (3, Insightful)

digitalderbs (718388) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317485)

Yes, and according to this article, that lightsaber cost $700, which answers his question from the first article, "why would someone steal a lightsaber?" -- because, apparently, someone is willing to pay $100-$5000 for one (or lift one from a bar that is being passed around.......)

Re:Did he find his stolen lightsaber? (4, Funny)

Nugoo (1794744) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317683)

Given how often Jedi lose their lightsabers in the movies, that only reinforces his authenticity.

Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317243)

Pfft, we've had this in finland for years:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/jedi.akatemia/

Re:Old news (1)

Bradmont (513167) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317419)

Wow, the speed at which those images loaded brought me right back to 1998...

Re:Old news (1)

nprz (1210658) | more than 2 years ago | (#39319667)

Wow, thanks for that comment (I had to check it out). TRWTF is bmp images.

Does anyone find it strange (4, Interesting)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317253)

that, while on the one hand, many geeks find religion to be illogical, superstitious, and ill-founded

on the other hand,

many geeks are enamored of the religion of a bunch of characters in the mind of George Lucas in a galaxy far, far away?

Re:Does anyone find it strange (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317295)

First of all I think this article and your post falls into the trap of conflating 'geeks' and 'nerds'. If you made a real working lightsaber you would be a geek. Being into Star Wars so much you call yourself a jedi just makes you a nerd.

That said, the fact that nerds and geeks run the gamut from strictly rational to absurdly spiritual is not at all suprising. They're people, just like everyone else.

No. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317301)

Because the Jedi "religion" offers a way of life and a fantasy of super powers that is made of other geeks that if you were to ask them seriously, wouldn't hesitate to say that their "religion" is in all fun. Deep down they're rational. It's a way of belonging because traditional religions just don't cut it anymore: they're primitive.

Other religions, especially Christian Fundamentalism, are more concerned with believing the "right way". Put 10 Christians in a room and you'll get 11 different versions of Christianity. "You have to act like Jesus to be saved!"

"No, you have to believe in Him ONLY to be saved! Acting like Him doesn't cut it!"

And so on and so on.

Then there is the complete kookiness of the Evangelicals/Christian Fundies. Here's their version of God:

He is someone out there; up in Heaven.

He knows when you are Good or Evil.

He rewards or punishes you accordingly.

He answers prayers.

Sounds like Santa Claus to me.

And they have the arrogance and conceit to think they actually know what God wants and what He thinks.

You can't get anymore blasphemous than that.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (4, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317305)

That's because they know the religion isn't serious. It's a game. There may be one or two crazy people who believe the force is real, but really real-world Jedi is just a combination of LARPing and themed costume events.

If one of those one or two crazy people came out as actually believing the force is real and they could achieve telekinetic powers with enough training, you can be sure their fellow Jedi would swiftly try to talk them out of it. Then mock them. Then kick them out the club as a dangerous embarassment.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317451)

Then kick them out the club as a dangerous embarassment.
 
Yeah, just like the kids who think that D&D is real... Oh, wait!
 
Not to scoff but I've seen my own share of fantasy based mythos get carried into life and have followers that, while perhaps not dangerous, have dedicated a portion of their lives to it thinking there would be some real world gains.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317803)

How is that different from any religion?

Re:Does anyone find it strange (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | more than 2 years ago | (#39322679)

Because the point of religions usually isn't "real-world" (i.e., "here-and-now") gain to begin with? One word: Afterlife.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (2)

SecurityGuy (217807) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318103)

There's a video on youtube of a "kiai master" fighting an MMA fighter. Guy believes he can make woo-woo noises and wave at people and beat them up. There's a lengthy bit where he's doing this, presumably at his school, where everyone else also drank the cool aid. THEY are defeated by his woo-woo noises and hand waving. The real life MMA fighter is predictably undeterred by woo-woo and hand waving and beats the snot of out the "master" in about 10 seconds.

I hope the guy retired. Dangerous fraud, not dangerous embarrassment. Just look at how many people he had snowed into believing this nonsense. Yes, they were gullible fools, too.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318193)

the force works on gullible fools. big whoop.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (1)

itchybrain (2538928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39319131)

I find your lack of faith disturbing. DV

No, not really. (4, Insightful)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317355)

The difference here is that the vast majority of those people are aware that the characters and workings of that world are fictional.
I don't really see a problem with someone being inspired by fiction, be it Naruto or Charles Dickens or Jesus for that matter, just as long as they don't try to impose it on others and seek privileged status.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317361)

I don't know about the rest, but I'm not enamored with the "religion". What's actually religious about the Jedi anyway?

I want to be a Jedi because they actually have awesome super powers.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317369)

I don't. People are different.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (2)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317667)

It's more of a philosophy than a religion.

Plus geeks always secretly found asian religions interesting.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (4, Insightful)

Sqr(twg) (2126054) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318501)

Because in that fictinoal universe, the religion is not illogical, superstitious, or ill-founded. It actually works.

If Christians could turn water into wine for real, I'd be a Christian.

And drunk!

Re:Clone Ware = some Buddism rip off (1)

neutrino38 (1037806) | more than 2 years ago | (#39320199)

Hello,

Indeed but what I find hugely amusing is how much clone war episod are inspired by meditation / buddhist precepts (e.g. Padme = passion) It's almost a rip off. So all this Jedi stuff might lead some people to study serious stuff for greater good.

For those who are interested, the notion of "Force" is probably a rip off of Irina Rockwell and Chögyam Trungpa about Shambala:

http://nalandabodhi.webpossystem.com/ViewProduct.asp?ModelNumber=199 [webpossystem.com]

Re:Does anyone find it strange (1)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | more than 2 years ago | (#39322309)

I also find it amusing that the people poking fun at these folks are often people who spend lots of time on fantasy football.

Re:Does anyone find it strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39322329)

"The Force" is not a religion. The Jedi Order could be said to be a religion, but even they are mostly philosophical.

Sage advice (5, Informative)

multimediavt (965608) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317307)

“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.”

- Han Solo

Re:Sage advice (5, Insightful)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317371)

yeah, and look what happened to him. Got his blaster whipped out of his hands, tortured and cryogenically frozen.

Re:Sage advice (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317439)

He still got the girl...

Re:Sage advice (5, Funny)

jackbird (721605) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317449)

Luke getting the girl would have been... awkward.

Of course Lucas could have decided to have more than 1 female in the galaxy without tentacles coming out of her head.

Re:Sage advice (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317939)

Luke getting the girl would have been... incest.

FTFY

Re:Sage advice (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317559)

** SPOILER ALERT **
If you plan to read the books about what happen after episode 6, skip this message.

Han was cryogenified, good. But then he kills Darth Sidious (definitively, this time) with his blaster, some years after episode 6.
Darth Sidious is one of the few powerful force users to die stupidly (three times), unlike most others who die honorably in a lightsaber fight.

** END OF ALERT **

Blaster may be basic, primitive, etc, they did the job lightsabers couldn't do many times.

(PS : sorry for my english, not my native language, and for AC post (will eventually signup... one day))

How can this not be tagged idle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317337)

What kind of an awkward cesspool is this turning into?

But his website was designed by a Sith. (2)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317467)

His website is truly the handywork of an especially evil sith.
I wouldn't trust this Jedi whom apparently enjoys inflicting pain simply by publishing stuff online.
Watch out for the dark side, would be my advice ... traitor!

or you could just go to afghanistan (0)

decora (1710862) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317473)

where the actual 'fighting' is 'happening' in 'the real world'.

slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317581)

How much is this "jedi grandmaster" "donating" to slashdot for these ads?

I'll be honest.. (3)

jmb1990 (1979110) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317589)

I find this retarded.

Re:I'll be honest.. (2)

SecurityGuy (217807) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317937)

So do I, and I don't understand why the parent got modded down. There is no "real life Jedi academy". Come on, we've all seen the movies. They're from a universe where there IS this thing called "the force" that some people can learn to control and do freakishly amazing things with. It doesn't exist here. You can't learn to use it here. They also master this sword-like weapon that paradoxically cuts through anything but itself. That also doesn't exist here. You can't learn how to use it.

I'll be honest, too, if this WAS real I'd sign up in a second...but it's not. It's a bunch of grown ups play acting because they liked a movie universe. It is NOT a real life Jedi academy. You can call it LARP or cosplay or probably half a dozen things. It could even be an acting school if it wants. It's not training Jedi.

Jedi Academy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317631)

Here's another Jedi Academy [kolumbus.fi] .

Apparently... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317799)

.. web design isn't one of the required classes

Correction (4, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 2 years ago | (#39317859)

The title should read: "Profile of a Real-Life Make-Believe Jedi Academy".

Compare this to the make-believe real-life Jedi Academy portrayed in the prequel movies. Getting the order of the adjectives right makes a big difference.

Insightful? Prequel Movies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39319797)

[Waves hand]

"These are not the prequel movies you are looking for."

Re:Insightful? Prequel Movies? (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 2 years ago | (#39320147)

"These are not the prequel movies you are looking for."

And for that you need the Jedi Mind Trick?

Re:Correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39320207)

So true. Why not just ask George Lucas what to put in the new "Academy?" He probably knows whose ideas he combined to make the fictional "Force." People, it was MADE UP.

This is so stupid. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39317991)

The Jedi religion is based on the teachings of Taoist Neigong.

There are real schools that really do teach how to work with the force. Learning how to dance and pursue vispasina or any number of other newage BS practices aren't among them.

See this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoOgZsQGQpA

from a bbc documentary on a real Taoist neigong master who never charged any student a dime, nor any person he healed, nor accepted donations. After this video aired he retired and is training as a recluse.

Re:This is so stupid. (1)

KevReedUK (1066760) | more than 2 years ago | (#39321183)

After this video aired he retired and is training as a recluse.

You need training to become a recluse now?!?

jedi vs. lawyers (1)

sixsixtysix (1110135) | more than 2 years ago | (#39318109)

i'm surprised lucasfilm hasn't sent out the lawyer gestapo and shut this down.

Sith Academy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39318361)

I have started a Sith Academy.... but there is only 2 of us...

My own powers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39320185)

tell me that there will be an increase in the number of geeks beaten up in the coming years....

Public Service Announcement (3, Informative)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | more than 2 years ago | (#39322693)

The plural of "Jedi" is "Jedi," not "Jedis."

Thank you.

Re:Public Service Announcement (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#39324355)

The plural of "Jedi" is "Jedi," not "Jedis."

Thank you.

Yeah, and the plural of "made up word" is "made up words".

This is why people hate geeks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39323483)

...and we can never have anything nice.

Complete fucking idiots who need their teeth knocked in and set to doing something rational and constructive.

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