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'The Hobbit' Pub Threatened With Lawsuit

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the it-does-not-do-to-leave-lawyers-out-of-your-calculations dept.

Lord of the Rings 388

An anonymous reader writes "'The Hobbit,' a small pub in Southampton, England, has been threatened with a lawsuit by lawyers representing the Saul Zaentz Company in California. The pub, which has traded under the name for the last 20 years without incident, now faces closure if it does not change its name. It's yet another example of big business throwing its weight around to get its way. The pub's landlady said simply, 'I can't fight Hollywood.'"

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Easy! (5, Funny)

Megane (129182) | more than 2 years ago | (#39346893)

Change name to "The Halfling". Problem solved.

Re:Easy! (5, Funny)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347055)

I was going to suggest 'Fantasy Midget' but I think it would be erotically misleading.

Re:Easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347757)

I was going to suggest 'Fantasy Midget' but I think it would be erotically misleading.

Gandalf the White and the Seven Dwarfs.

Re:Easy! (2)

BurstElement (1332791) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347089)

Or just drop one of the "b"s...

From Collins English Dictionary
hob
n
(Myth & Legend / European Myth & Legend) a hobgoblin or elf

Re:Easy! (1)

Aryden (1872756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347309)

Wizards of the Coast may sue them then...

Re:Easy! (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347665)

"Bilbo Begins"

Re:Easy! (1)

Dave Emami (237460) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347733)

There are three pubs here in Vegas called "Bilbo's", I wonder if the owner should be worried.

Re:Easy! (1)

EnempE (709151) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347777)

Just pull a 'b' off the sign , It's cheap and Ho bit is a great name

Simple solution (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39346895)

Do what TSR did and name it the halfling.

Re:Simple solution (5, Interesting)

a_nonamiss (743253) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347023)

Terminate and Stay Resident? Am I increasing or decreasing my geek cred when I admit that's the only TSR I know?

Re:Simple solution (4, Informative)

Reilaos (1544173) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347063)

Dungeons and Dragons before it was bought by Wizards of the Coast.

Re:Simple solution (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347423)

Terminate and Stay Resident? Am I increasing or decreasing my geek cred when I admit that's the only TSR I know?

Either decreasing or showing your age (er, lack thereof)

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347455)

You only diminish your geek cred by admitting you cannot do a google search.

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347061)

That could do it, but does TSR claim copyrights on the name "halfling", and would they allow this if they did?

Then Hasbro would sue (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347111)

Name it the Ten-Forward Lord Smoked Meat and Fish's Leaky Cauldron Pub and Mos Eisley Cantina of the Vulgar Unicorn.

With all the lawsuit Publicity, you'll never close. Throw in a walk-down like Cheers and a surly endangered animal smuggling bartender named Moe, and the lawyers will be your best patrons.

Re:Then Hasbro would sue (1)

Eristone (146133) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347299)

Hey -- leave Lynn Abbey out of it - she owns the rights to Thieves' World (and her partner and co-author at that time Robert Asprin is no longer amongst the living) and while I'm certain she'd have to protect her rights would be sad to take that stance.

Re:Then Hasbro would sue (1)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347489)

or she could just license it for a pittance, say $5/year. unless she actually wanted to squeeze a small business. but no, only large corporations are greedy, of course.

Re:Then Hasbro would sue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347595)

Tears? There's no crying allowed in Sanctuary.

Another Idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39346919)

change the name to the Lord of the Rings Pub.

Ok. What about this?. (5, Funny)

bdwoolman (561635) | more than 2 years ago | (#39346945)

The Habit.

Re:Ok. What about this?. (2)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347125)

I'm pretty sure that wouldn't solve their problem.
http://www.habitburger.com/ [habitburger.com]

One suggestion (1)

abednegoyulo (1797602) | more than 2 years ago | (#39346955)

is to rename it as "The Habit".

how about... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39346969)

TPFKATH

The Pub Formerly Known As The Hobbit

Re:how about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347107)

Anagrams [wordsmith.org] for: hobbit

5 found. Displaying all:
Bib Hot
Bib Tho
Bob Hit
Hob Bit
Both Bi

Re:how about... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347385)

Both Bi is a good name for a whorehouse. I'd frequent it.

The Angry Executive (2)

netsavior (627338) | more than 2 years ago | (#39346973)

They should kickstart fund the signage and associated paperwork.

Rename it... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39346983)

The "Fuck you Hollywood"

Re:Rename it... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347603)

seriously mods.... insightful?!?! i hope M2 comes down on your ass. This was clearly funny.

Lend them your support! (5, Informative)

el3mentary (1349033) | more than 2 years ago | (#39346997)

Re:Lend them your support! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347201)

I don't use Facebook you insensitive clod. Alternative?

Re:Lend them your support! (2)

el3mentary (1349033) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347367)

Retweet with the hashtag @savethehobbit if you don't have either then send Saul Zaentz a letter I believe his company's details are on their site.

Re:Lend them your support! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347339)

I can't support a so-called "pub" that has a Facebook page! It's just not on.

Call it the Bobbit (0)

PatPending (953482) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347001)

Call it the Bobbit [wikipedia.org] . Oh, wait...

Re:Call it the Bobbit (4, Insightful)

digitig (1056110) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347533)

Or they could pick a random name from the Völuspá, which is public domain. "Gandalf's", perhaps.

Zieg Heil! (0, Flamebait)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347027)

Zieg Heil, mein American Jackboot!

America stomps on the world again, and you wonder why the world HATES you.

Re:Zieg Heil! (2)

shugah (881805) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347065)

It's UK copyright law. Life of the author plus 70 years.

Re:Zieg Heil! (3, Informative)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347073)

It's an American company doing the suing.

Re:Zieg Heil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347175)

Its a trademark. This doesn't fly on /.. You need to do some heavy googling to get up on the issue. They are different types of businesses this lawsuit wouldn't hold water.

Re:Zieg Heil! (3, Interesting)

shentino (1139071) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347477)

It holds all the water the lawyers can carry.

This case is not about the merits.

It's about a poor defenseless woman being outgunned in the legal arena and losing the case before it even starts because she's too broke to fight back.

Re:Zieg Heil! (2)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347649)

Trademark? Really? Does the owners of the Lord of the Rings franchise sell alcohol too? That's news to me. I wouldn't have for a moment suspected that much. Isn't the purpose of trademark supposed to defend a mark so that a similar, competing product or service doesn't get confused as another? It's kind of how Apple Computers prevailed against Apple Music... kind of.

Re:Zieg Heil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347749)

I don't know about UK trademarks, but US trademarks can go generic if not defended (companies frequently use this as an excuse to go completely insanely overboard on trademarks when it's not really what the law would require).

But 20 years operating openly seems very much long enough that there shouldn't be any question that "the hobbit" is no longer trademarked. It's not.

Re:Zieg Heil! (4, Interesting)

pthisis (27352) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347213)

Interestingly, the original edition of the Lord of the Rings is in the public domain in the US due to an error by his publisher at the time. Tolkien had to go back and make a revised edition and market it with a note on the back pleading with fans not to buy the Ace Books edition that he saw no royalties from. So presumably a similar pub in the US (e.g. Bilbo Baggins, in Alexandria, VA) is on safer ground than this one in the UK.

Re:Zieg Heil! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347407)

So, if it's public domain, why the fuck hasn't somebody put it on Project Gutenberg already? It should be there.

And as an enemy of copyright, I don't care HOW it lost copyright, we should seize every opportunity to take back any bit of the public domain we can.

Fuck the estate!

Re:Zieg Heil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347499)

Except that thanks to the Uruguay Round Agreements Act [wikipedia.org] , depending on when it was copyrighted and under what set of limitations, the company can just pull it back out of the public domain and claim another copyright on it. Gotta love our supreme court [eff.org] .

Re:Zieg Heil! (2, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347099)

Troll?

Damn straight I'm a troll when it comes to calling out American thugishness around the world. Because you interfere in Canada, too, the same as you do everywhere.

Jackboot is the KINDEST term I could have for your government and legal system.

Re:Zieg Heil! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347145)

Given that none of the Americans on this site like what these people are doing, yeah, it's trolling to call us all out for this crazy company. Or is Canada composed entirely of saints?

Re:Zieg Heil! (-1, Troll)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347453)

Damn straight I'm a troll when it comes to calling out American thugishness around the world. Because you interfere in Canada, too, the same as you do everywhere.

Canadians or UKians (but I repeat myself) can grow a pair and stop us. Whining and calling names on the Internet is perhaps not the most effective tactic to achieve this.

Re:Zieg Heil! (4, Informative)

Genda (560240) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347705)

A bit of information friend... since we became a nation of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation... the government/corporations (they've effectively become one and the same) and the nations people are no longer on speaking terms. Americans are way more pissed off than you ever will be, because our corporations crap on the world weekly but they defecate on us here in the states every few seconds. Please feel free to club a CEO or two. You'll win friends and garner respect here in the states.

Re:Zieg Heil! (1)

Bruinwar (1034968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347151)

The Tolkien Family sued over "The Hobbit" movie & settled. Guess it was English Riding Booties doing the stomping that time.

Re:Zieg Heil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347181)

It's a legally registered trademark.

If the owner does not enforce it, it will be lost.

Tip: "knowing is growing."

Re:Zieg Heil! (2)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347203)

And you don't think 20 years of operation just might demonstrate that it hasn't been defended in a timely fashion?

Re:Zieg Heil! (5, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347235)

I'd imagine most of their 20 years went by just fine because they weren't using movie stills in their advertising and promotional material on their public website..

http://www.thehobbitpub.co.uk/ [thehobbitpub.co.uk]

Re:Zieg Heil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347577)

TFA is light on details. Maybe the pub previously operated under a licensing agreement (http://www.zaentz.com/files/licensing.html and http://www.middleearth.com/). Or maybe they recently started using copyrighted material on their website without a licensing agreement. (I suppose one could check the Internet Archive...)

Businesses generally send a cease-and-desist letter first--did they in this case? We don't know. If they did, did the pub abide?

Point is, we don't know the details, and making inflammatory statements that traduce the rule of law and the USA is simply immature.

CAPTCHA: "dwells" (Oh! the irony, given the TROLL mod!)

Re:Zieg Heil! (4, Informative)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347225)

If your idea of Nazi style jackbooted fascism is a bar being sued because they use direct images from the LotR movies in their advertising, then you're pretty well off, and really don't understand what the people that were actually exposed to fascist tyranny actually had to put up with.

Re:Zieg Heil! (2)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347465)

If your idea of Nazi style jackbooted fascism is a bar being sued because they use direct images from the LotR movies in their advertising, then you're pretty well off, and really don't understand what the people that were actually exposed to fascist tyranny actually had to put up with.

First world problems: he has them.

Re:Zieg Heil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347875)

Bravo! Well stated, sir!

Re:Zieg Heil! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347325)

Shut up you stupid cunt hair.

Re:Zieg Heil! (2)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347623)

...I was just thinking of how ironic it might be to be modded 'Troll...'

Re:Zieg Heil! (0)

Genda (560240) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347767)

Or perhaps a new mod... dORK...

They should change the name to... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347067)

..."Saul is a putz".

Everyone will know what it means.

Call it the Tolk Inn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347105)

They should call it the Tolk Inn.

Re:Call it the Tolk Inn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347487)

I like that.

Why don't you wolk inn to tolk inn?

Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347113)

From TFA:

It features characters from Tolkien's stories on its signs, has "Frodo" and "Gandalf" cocktails on the menu, and the face of Lord of the Rings film star Elijah Wood on its loyalty card.

Seems a pretty clear-cut case of copyright infringement to me. Or can I open a "Mos Eisley Catina" pub, with pictures of Harrison Ford & Alec Guiness & not expect repercussions?

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347275)

Taking down the images should be sufficient. The name would be a trademark infringement, however, having been in operation for 20 years ought to demonstrate that the mark isn't being defended and as such should be lost.

Re:Really? (1)

countach74 (2484150) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347651)

My understanding is that trademarks apply only to similar services/goods/etc. If business A has the name "The Name" and business B has the name "The Name" (both trademarked), and they do completely different things, then, if I recall trademark law correctly, all is well. I'm sure I will be corrected if I am wrong.

Re:Really? (1)

Genda (560240) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347787)

Think about it... Pub -> Drunk on brew... Hollywood -> Drunk on power... same business. Inebriation!!!

Re:Really? (4, Interesting)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347829)

While it does seem that way, think on this -

The Hobbit was published in 1937. Under life +70 copyright, it doesn't enter the public domain for another 30 years. This is ludicrous. 75 years after publishing, this stuff is part of our culture and should be free for all.

(Yes, I used to drink at this pub!)

The Pub isn't all innocent (5, Informative)

Necroman (61604) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347115)

If you look at their website [thehobbitpub.co.uk] , you'll see they use likenesses of the characters from the movies in their advertising. If the pub was just using fan artwork or coming up with their own graphical material (while using the names), they may have been left alone. But they are using the faces from the movie in their own advertising and promotional material (posters, loyalty card). That's just asking for trouble.

Re:The Pub isn't all innocent (3, Funny)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347169)

Yeah it's hard to see them as being innocent victims when they're using images from the movies in their promotional flyers, etc.... That is just inviting trouble.

Re:The Pub isn't all innocent (3)

Pennidren (1211474) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347263)

Yes it is difficult to see 'em as embodying blameless unfortunates when they are using pictures from the films in their publicity literature, et al... That is just welcoming trouble.

Re:The Pub isn't all innocent (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347485)

Aye it be a stern challenge to views em as doe eyed scalliwags 'ere the wily buggers be utilizing lithographs from the moving-picture show throughout their advertising swag.. That is just engaging trouble.

Re:The Pub isn't all innocent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347611)

Yes, one might even think they were looking for trouble.

Re:The Pub isn't all innocent (4, Funny)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347599)

Verily 'tis tough to vision the owners as hapless, guiltless martyrs as they use visual reproductions from the features in their marketing materials ans stuff... that is only leaving the door open to conflict.

Accuracy in Naming (1)

Bunzinator (1105885) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347119)

They could always change its name to "This Pub Was Forced To Change Its Name By The Money-Hungry Cunts At The Saul Zaentz Company." The signwriting costs could be prohibitive, though.

Re:Accuracy in Naming (1)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347157)

it's england. they'd be sued for libel the next day. doesn't matter if it's a true statement.

Re:Accuracy in Naming (1)

Genda (560240) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347821)

Great... change the name to "Hobbitual", they can tell the customers to come in every day and make it a Hobbit!/p

how about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347159)

dropping all the first letters and replacing with aprostophes? i.e. The 'Obbit pub. The drink challenge is the 'Ellowship of the Ring. is it enough?

on the other hand, friends who were regulars are staying away at the moment anyway allegedly due to bad changes in bouncers.

the name isn't what keeps people going there so its a non issue. (unless there are sad bastards who would go there only over the name... a tiny minority). otherwise its just another late opening pub in a town with 2 universities that happends to have a large outside area and a damn good food hut.

"Zanz Kant Danz" (1)

hemo_jr (1122113) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347165)

The guy has been a dick forever, Just ask John Fogerty. You cannot copyright a word. And as for a trademark, one is unlikely to confuse a book/film with a pub.

I'd be ok with the lawyers... (5, Funny)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347171)

....if nine of them showed up to the pub dressed as Nazgul.

Re:I'd be ok with the lawyers... (1)

wolftone (609476) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347471)

I'd be okay with your proposal if, in addition, the lawyers were as invisible, silent, and afraid of water, as Nazgûl.

Re:I'd be ok with the lawyers... (2)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347741)

IBM won't lend them their legal team though, so that can't happen.

Summery seems Anti-Hollywood, intentionally vague? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347197)

The pub isn't just named The Hobbit, it's a direct reference to JRR Tolkien's work. The pub sign has images of characters from Middle Earth and you can order cocktails called a "Gandalf" and a "Frodo". The loyalty cards even have Elijah Wood's face on them.
Now I like to hate on Hollywood as much as anyone and how I hate the big guy stepping on the little guy blah blah blah, but this is blatant copyright infringement and is asking for trouble. A little common sense goes a long way.

Now, if it was named "The Hobbit" after some local reference or something equally pointless, then yes, bashing Hollywood would be acceptable.

Long history (4, Interesting)

Walt Dismal (534799) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347219)

Mr. Saul Zaentz has a long history of being a dick. Zaentz sued Creedence Clearwater's John Fogerty for plagiarizing himself (!) asking $140 million in damages, and lost.

Zaentz's perception is that he owns the 'brand' Hobbit, although he only owns screen rights.

Re:Long history (1)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347607)

Not correct, Zaentz really owns "Hobbit" US trademark, not only one but in multiple categories (besides the usual stuff also including rare things like "Play houses", "Storage sheds"). Might be a cunning move, if the upcoming film is any good he will command the merchandise revenue. If you own the trademark you own pretty much everything...

Rename it the Halfwit (1)

cptdondo (59460) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347249)

And then explain that to everyone who asks.

Absolutely Ridiculous! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347297)

Suing over the name "Pub"? Just call it a Bar, Tavern or Saloon, and put this nonsense behind you.

Still, frivolous!

One of my local's (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347323)

I live near the Hobbit pub, it's a great place for some rock/indie/odd-music.
It's been open for years - before the movie adaptations were even considered - yes they use the some of the films pictures on some things now, but they aren't making money out of that (a loyalty card...), the pub is based on the original work, which really should be fair use by now, not this Micky Mouse bullshit long extension time copyright being pulled on something that only promotes the work!!!!

Re:One of my local's (1)

Spodi (2259976) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347581)

Good point! "We should be allowed to piggy-back off the success and work of others, both in terms of theme and art, because we don't like the law" is a flawless legal defense.

Re:One of my local's (4, Insightful)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347853)

You know, your snarky, self-righteous dismissal might come off as marginally less douchy if this guy wasn't some dickhead film producer who had fuck-all to do with the "success and work" of Tolkien.

It might, but I doubt it.

Can't fight Hollywood (4, Informative)

brentrad (1013501) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347403)

Of course they can't fight Hollywood, since they've been using stills from the movies in their advertising. Take a look at their website, that's obviously a photograph of Elijah Wood from the LOTR movies on their "One Card To Bind Them All" loyalty card:

http://www.hobbitpub.co.uk/drink-offers/ [hobbitpub.co.uk]

They're not fighting Hollywood since they don't have a leg to stand on. If they would have used original artwork instead of copyrighted images from a movie, I'd be on their side.

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The grasping Jew knows no limits (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347425)

This is absurd.

The pub will never impact the business of these greedy bastards.

Doesn't this qualify as... (5, Funny)

MrKevvy (85565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347463)

... Shire Art?

/ducks

A Great Name (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347555)

Call it "The Other Tolkein's Estate"!

Art is built of art which came before it (2)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347601)

I know... the usual arguments apply but I'm going to reference Wikipedia anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit [wikipedia.org]

Seems to me that, as is usually the case, art owes itself to art which came before it. A name here, a concept there, whether consciously or not, no one has truly original ideas or thought on their own. There are variations and twists but it's called evolution, not creation.

This quibbling and fighting in courts represents the utter denial of what it is to be human. We learn from each other. We teach each other. We entertain each other. And to place a restriction, an ownership or a price tag on human habit and human legacy isn't just tragic, it simply denies what and who we are. And we're just about the only animal on the planet that can do what we do. It's not the use of tools. It's not even that we speak a language. It's that we can teach each other things without having to live through the entirety of human development to advance further than picking up a stick to get bugs out of a tree.

When you put any kind of limit on that, you are in direct opposition to human development. Not that anyone can really do that successfully... well, maybe they can... I once heard about some sort of dark ages which somehow wiped out hundreds or even thousands of years of human development and knowledge so I guess it's possible. But will the next dark ages be caused by the courts and copyright law? Or perhaps it will be because of a war fought defending and imposing copyright law...

Re:Art is built of art which came before it (1)

space fountain (1897346) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347899)

I agree that current copy write law maybe to strict, but this seems to be a pretty clear cut case where the pub deserved it. Also you seem to be saying that copy write and/or patents should be totally gotten rid of. I don't think you could be father from the truth. Lets say you spend years working on a book or a series of books only to have some one steal all your ideas. In your word there would be nothing you could do about it.

an outrage! (0)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#39347835)

You mean J.R.R Tolkein doesn't tend bar in this "Hobbit" pub? Geez, I was sure that because they named this bar "The Hobbit Bar" that Tolkein would be hanging around making brandy alexanders and stuff.

I mean, any reasonable person would see "The Hobbit Pub" and assume that it meant that they were showing the movie inside 'round the clock or that Tolkein was there greeting people or something. Or at least that Peter Jackson was bussing tables or shaking his fat ass in a g-string. I simply cannot believe that there is no connection between a bar called "The Hobbit" and the book or the movie of the same name or any of the fine collectable and fully-licensed products currently on sale at Toys'R'Us. I mean, if I walked into a bar called "The Hobbit" and didn't see like all the characters from the movie huffing poppers and dancing to "I'm Sexy and I Know It" I would like totally feel ripped off by the makers of the Tolkein movies, you know?

This is why we need to have stronger intellectual property laws, that last forever plus one year. Oh, and the death penalty for anyone who breaks them. To the seventh generation.

By the way, my last name is "Carter" and I've decided to name my newborn son "John" and Disney can just come and suck my dick right now. Oh, and I plan on telling everyone that my son is going to be the first man on Mars. Well, not the first man, because somebody had to make that big face on mars, so let's just call it "the first man since the guys who built that big face left" on Mars.

And Disney can still suck my dick. And Peter Jackson, the Tolkein family and whichever farkakte movie studio makes that garbage and whoever licensed all the characters to sell to pathetic neckbeards who line up on 0-day to see the movie and buy all the cheesy crap. Line up right here and suck away.

New Name "The Halfling Revived" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39347859)

Yah, shouldn't mess with Saul, baby. He's a mean snot. So edge around him...cause he would ask for more than the licensing is worth (about 3 quid).

Play with the name - like my local in Surrey - (The Fox Revived) - which does NOT refer to my girlfriend..

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