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Turkey Bans Pastebin and Tinyurl

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the only-big-urls-now dept.

Censorship 100

New submitter anonimim writes "Pastebin and Tinyurl have been blocked in Turkey. Pastebin was blocked last week by a court after the hacking of Turkish Information and Communications Technologies Authority (BTK). Four databases including email addresses and plain-text passwords stolen from BTK were posted to Pastebin last month, in retaliation for the blocking of Blogspot, Incisozluk (a popular Turkish community dictionary) and thousands of other websites. The more shocking ban was that of Tinyurl, a URL shortening service. Turkey currently blocks thousands of websites and is classified as one of the countries under surveillance by the 2012 Internet Enemies report (PDF) published last week by the Reporters Without Borders."

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first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39373967)

turkey

Second (-1)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374009)

Chicken

Third (-1, Offtopic)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374039)

Duck!

Re:Third (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374125)

GOOSE *runs away*

Citation Needed (4, Interesting)

FhnuZoag (875558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375379)

I'm posting this up high so it'll be read.

*Can anyone actually confirm that tinyurl has been blocked in Turkey?*

I'm saying this, because the linked article and the submission doesn't mention Tinyurl (or indeed Pastebin) at all, and Slashdot seems to be the only people stating this news. Is this something that's actually happened or are we spreading false rumours here?

Re:Citation Needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376419)

Frankly, I'm in Turkey and neither of those sites is blocked for me.

Re:Citation Needed (4, Informative)

anonimim (2596053) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376979)

According to this article [hurriyet.com.tr] from a major Turkish newspaper, related authority in charge (BTK) revised and lifted the Tinyurl.com ban today! Ban was in effect since the 1st of March, so it's probably lifted due to recent press coverage. Engelliweb includes a catalog of blocked websites in Turkey. You can check related pages for Tinyurl [engelliweb.com] and Pastebin [engelliweb.com] to confirm the bans. Linked article was from the February, when BTK databases were leaked to Pastebin. So it doesn't cover the recent events.

Re:Citation Needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39379925)

Pastebin lately posted leaks of AKP govt connection with Stratfor.com and this religious man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen

Can they stop them all? (1)

longhairedgnome (610579) | more than 2 years ago | (#39373973)

I'm sure http://www.socuteurl.com/ [socuteurl.com] will still work.

Re:Can they stop them all? (5, Insightful)

sg_oneill (159032) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374037)

This its really playing whack-a-mole from the moles perspective. It might get your head above ground for a while, but ultimately that hammer will hit you smack on the head.

The problem really is Turkey is not acting like the modern liberal democracy it claims to be, and I think it really needs to be called out on that fact.

That said, I think we all should treat this sort of thing as the canary in the coal mine of democracy. If turkey can pull this garbage off and get away with it, then so can America, Europe, UK and Australia, because after all, turkey is just another liberal democracy right? The enemys of of our democracy, conservatives and pseudo-progressive alike at home are taking notes as we speak.

Re:Can they stop them all? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374141)

Turkey has a governmental department that regulates what the imams will preach in the mosques.
The military forced out the government four times in the last sixty years, the last time was fifteen years ago.
There's literally hundreds of judgements by the European Court of Human Rights against Turkey.
There's still ongoing concerns about torture in the judicial system.
For fuck's sake, this is a country that once executed a guy for opposing a ban on a certain type of HAT.

So no, Turkey isn't "just another liberal democracy right".

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

justforgetme (1814588) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374343)

Still Turkey is on full speed to become the latest full member of the EU...
Just to say that Democracy and liberal rights don't seem to count that much
in the halls that once instituted modern democracy.

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374481)

As a citizen. I would not call it "full speed". But I guess that is not the issue here.

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

Patch86 (1465427) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374753)

Hardly "full speed". They've basically been told "you can join as soon as you get your democratic act together"- which this clearly isn't.

Re:Can they stop them all? (3)

xenobyte (446878) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375215)

Several EU countries blocks Turkey completely due to their failure to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide.

Turkey not only denies that it happened but actively and militantly pursue anyone who even mentions it. They block Wikipedia due to their page on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide [wikipedia.org]

The EU countries demand that Turkey both acknowledges the event and apologize to the Armenian people and especially to the families of the victims. Turkey flatly refuses and these EU countries continuously veto any attempts at giving Turkey any kind of special or applicant status pending their compliance in this matter.

Re:Can they stop them all? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375321)

Ever seen a muslim acknowledge genocide ? Or the mere fact that their "prophet" committed several genocides (not that he was very afraid of familicide either, or paedophilia, theft, lying and worse), and the last order out of his mouth according to muslim beliefs ("kill all jews on the arabian peninsula") was a direct order of genocide ?

Or how about getting a muslim to admit that slavery, including debt slavery, raping female slaves, even children, exterminating black slaves when you want to, ... is an integral and non-negotiable part of the islamic religion ? Why don't you push one of the many horrid slavery stories under the nose of a muslim, and ask them if this is the person they worship. Because it is (they will of course claim he did nothing wrong, even while raping a child, or committing genocide, as his actions are the definition of righteous and justice in their religion, which is the scary part). It is beyond obvious to someone who goes through the trouble of reading even a basic introduction to sharia.

Muhammad was very successful in collecting a massive number of camels and money by claiming prophecy and establishing an armed mafia in Islam which attacked small, weak Bedouin tribes under his command and supervision.

There were eight people from the Bajulleen tribe in very bad condition, barefoot, shabby, ragged, in ill health, poor, skinny, pale and who had distended abdomen from famine.
They heard about Muhammad and how rich he became through these wars, the sale of slaves and imposing Jazyia.
Bajulleen came to Medina hoping that Muhammad would feed them and give them something to wear. Muhammad said you must become Muslims and swear Shahada : there is no God but Allah and Muhammad his last prophet.

Bajulleen agreed, hoping that they would be fed, then Muhammad said the best solution for you is to work for me as shepherds, taking care of my camels. I will not give you money, you have distended abdomen because you have problems with your livers and the best treatment for this disease is to drink camels urine and milk, you will drink my camels urine and milk and that will be your wage.
Muhammad gave them 15 camels to take care of them, but he did not trust them so he sent Yassar, one of his 24 black salves to be with Bajulleen at all times.
Days later Bajulleen noticed how Muhammad abused them and exploited their situation, working as shepherds in the hot Sahara, in return only for drinking camels urine and milk. They decided to take revenge on Muhammad, so they killed Yassar, stole the 15 camels and fled back home.

Muhammad heard the news and immediately sent 20 knights under the command of Karaz Bin Jabar to catch Bajulleen. In due course, Karaz captured Bajulleen with the camels and came back to Medina.

Muhammad ordered to take the handcuffed Bajulleen to an area called Hurra in Medina and also asked Muslims to gather there.

Hurra was a small area in Medina made of volcanic black rocks. In the midday sun, in the Sahara, Hurra will have been extremely hot.

Muhammad ordered that all eight Bajulleen would have one hand cut off on one side and one leg from their other side, then he ordered that metal nails be heated and with the glowing nails to gouge out Bajulleens’ eyes.

After the Bajulleen had lost their hands and legs and had their eyes gouged out, they started to beg Muhammad just for a drink of water before dying, Muhammad replied: To Hell!

Hours later all the Bajulleen died, after extreme suffering and agony. In his Koran, Muhammad said that 'This is the penalty of disobeying Allah and his messenger and perpetrating disorder in the land, they must be killed, or crucified, or have a hand on one side and foot on the other cut off '

Why don't you tell me why we tolerate people who push this behaviour as holy ? Oh right, because "the bible says the same" right ? Moral relativism ftw ! Note that Christianity, as any introductory book will tell you, first and foremost follows this person, Jesus Christ, that refused to fight to defend his own life. The old testament, is considered historically accurate, and while it features God, is not considered the final word on any issue.

This sort of conversation will even beg the question just how strong the link is between the -many- genocide orders by "the last" representative of allah and the religion ... Of course for anyone actually reading the quran and hadith texts there is no question, which is of course why "extremists" keep popping up everywhere. And it's similarly the reason there's such a huge difference between Christian, Jewish or Buddhist extremists (yes, they exist) and muslim ones.

Or it may beg another question ? If "tolerance" includes equality, does islam even *allow* muslims to be tolerant ? Because, again, the answer is dead simple.

It is, sadly, a *very* good thing what Turkey does.

People here seriously need to read the history of a situation before judging it. And, most of all, THEY NEED TO DO IT THEMSELVES FROM PRIMARY SOURCES WITHOUT "NEUTRAL" INTERPRETERS. A muslims point when they say "islam is benign" is not that islam does not support slavery, or doesn't support raping children ("under certain circumstances"), it is that slavery is benign and good. And if they don't ... then they're either lying, or *not* muslims.

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375411)

Your "citation" is worthless without an actual source. Please supply same.

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39379081)

I agree that the GP should have supplied a link, but his cited story is a pretty famous hadith (sayings & practices of Mohammed) that's well known among practising Muslims. In fact, in the qur'an, while Muslims apologists often site a verse 5:32 that has parallels in the Torah (he who kills one innocent person without just cause is as guilty as having killed all of humanity), the very next verse 5:33 states that if the person being killed is guilty of mischief in the land, his left arm and right foot should be cut off, and he should be crucified. That's the verse that the last paragraph in the above citation refers to - if one wishes, one can go to quranbrowser.com, enter 5:33 in the search box and do a search there.

Those who claim that this was from centuries ago forget that this is the basis for the regimes in Sudan, as well as the Taliban regime in Afghanistan for doing those mutiliations of hands & feet of their people. That's a contemporary practice - it's not merely from centuries ago. And while it's true that this practise has been most visible in Afghanistan and Sudan, it's a part of the overall Shariah law that Muslims seek to spread everywhere - whether it's Arab spring countries like Libya, or Muslim activists battling state propositions like OK seeking to ban Shariah law.

Back to Turkey - even though for a while Turkey was secular, thanks to Kemal and the army, as the army grip on Turkey has loosened, islam has made a comeback. Turkey today is trending back towards its pre-Kemalist Islamic past, and has been supporting the Saudi initiatives in Syria to help the Sunnis topple the Shia, while working with Iran in supporting Islamic groups like the Chechens in the Caucausus. Ironically, the EU's insistence that the Turkish military loosen their grip on the government has only served to make it easier for Islam to make a comeback, even as it's this new Turkey that the EU is working to include in its ranks. Given the way countries like UK, France, Sweden, Netherlands have been toxified by heavy infiltration of Muslims from countries like Pakistan, Morocco, Algeria, Turkey, and other Muslim countries, I guess Europe isn't doing any worse by helping first Islamize Turkey, and then welcoming that into the EU. As they say, Alhadimullah!

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375415)

Do you realise how fucking stupid you sound?

Your not describing "Islam". Your describing "2000-odd years ago"

I'm guessing by certain idiotic parts of your rant ("The old testament, is considered historically accurate"? By whom? The mentally retarded?) that you're Christian. Christ was quite happy with the concept of slaves and expected them to fall into line with everyone else. Unlike Muhammad who wrote a large amount on how slaves should be treated, particularly in the event of their owner dying. Similar for women, another group that Christianity largely ignores. Both religions regard themselves as peaceful. Both religions include some blatant (by modern standards) hypocrisy. And both religions worship the Abrahamic God, which, as far as I'm concerned, mean everyone involved in these moronic Christianity vs Judaism vs Islam arguments is heading straight for hell.

"exterminating black slaves"? Did you just pull that out of your arse? Have you ever read the Koran? I don't remember a single mention of race.

Re:Can they stop them all? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375863)

Your not describing "Islam". Your describing "2000-odd years ago"

Isn't the purpose of islam to make people live like "their" prophet ? If he was a slavedriver, thief, torturer and rapist, that's pretty fucking relevant to the religion, isn't it ? As for the story, a tiny google search would have told me where it's from. It's from within the "authentic" hadith.

And the point about the difference between islamic extremists, and pretty much all other kinds is, again, pretty fucking accurate. Thirdly, islam does not regard itself as peaceful at all, it is explicitly based on military conquest. Military conquest is given in the religion itself as the main reason someone might become muslim. Historically, this has been true too, with the famous choice : islam, taxed to death, or actual death. Many religions of course started with military conquest, I get the impression Christianity is just a big exception to the rule. And even there that was only mostly true. Nevertheless islam is by far the most despicable religion today.

As for racism, you have to keep in mind that the words "slave" and "a member of the black race" are the exact same word in arabic. There is no differentiation between the two in sharia. Again, even a tiny little search on the internet would have told you this. A simple search for conditions that exist in places like saudi arabia or dubai will sadly confirm the extreme racism their religion has, when actually implemented.

Again, islam is clearly the most despicable religion of the age.

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39377671)

I don't see america admitting to genocide vs native americans, instead, its 'manifest destiny' so fuck you or move out of america.

Re:Can they stop them all? (4, Informative)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374853)

turkey won't be the next full member. other countries are joining in the meantime, but turkeys process has been stalled for as long as I can remember reading the news, it's one step forward two steps back. they're a nato member though since forever, which had made them a probable eu joiner.

and if they became a full member of EU, their government would be fucked, their military top personnel would get insta-sued, their imaams and christian clerics would be free to preach whatever the fuck they want, booze would be available at every street corner with hookers&blow from italy, they would have to fix their prison system and release a large bunch of guys who would proceed to sue the government straight away, they would lose tariff controlling their economy and they'd have to stop bickering with kurds, boooyahhhhhh!(they would still be able to block sites distributing copyrighted material though..).

I don't think EU member states would go as far as to provide retroactive amnesty for anyone who had been involved in the government in Turkey.. but still, preparing for turkeys eventual joining sometime in the far future creates some byro-jobs.

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39377513)

... booze would be available at every street corner with hookers&blow from italy,

Booze is available on every street corner, and hookers are easy to find. In fact there are licensed brothels here.
(I'm an American living in Turkey)

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

L3370 (1421413) | more than 2 years ago | (#39381795)

Lived there for a couple years. Booze is already free flowing, and is not a cultural taboo at all, at least in the west. Prostitution is huge too. Trannny's everywhere at night. Russian imported women too.

Not trying to take away from your message... just stating those two, from my experience, is alive and flourishing already.

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39391077)

Currently living in Turkey:

Alcohol is freely available everywhere. In fact, you can walk down the street with an open bottle of wine, drinking it... and the cops will wave hello as they pass. YOu can buy shots on the street in the Izmir Rock Bar neighborhoods. Prostitution, blow, pot etc are also quite available.

I'd also point out that last year their PM announced that they were no longer perusing EU membership, since the EU economy is in the hole and Turkey's economy is growing at an extremely fast pace.

I'd also point out that the current government reforms include things like 100% school attendance for all children (the PM was on television begging the Kurdish SE area to allow their daughters to go to school) and enforcement of laws against the 'honor killings' which are also dominant in the extremely conservative SE and in cities where the conservative SE people have immigrated.

Living here is like living anywhere in Europe.
 

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375001)

You have an interesting definition of "full speed". Turkey applied for membership in 1987, when EEC had 12 members. It is negotiating membership today 25 years later, when EU have 27 members, some of which didn't even exists as nations at the time Turkey first applied for membership.

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

justforgetme (1814588) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375991)

Ok, I might have exaggerated this one a wee little bit. But surely It might as well be correct since the politicians that run the EU are too feeble to call them out on their practices and come over all polite. Last time I heard an EU rep talk about Turkey's accession he was extolling the progress they had made towards politic stability... Really?

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375311)

Well the US have been lobbying the EU for years to accept Turkey as a member.

Re:Can they stop them all? (2)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375835)

Indeed.

How many states do they intend to make out of Mexico when it joins the union?

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

LQ (188043) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375151)

Turkey has a governmental department that regulates what the imams will preach in the mosques.
The military forced out the government four times in the last sixty years, the last time was fifteen years ago.
There's literally hundreds of judgements by the European Court of Human Rights against Turkey.
There's still ongoing concerns about torture in the judicial system.
For fuck's sake, this is a country that once executed a guy for opposing a ban on a certain type of HAT.

So no, Turkey isn't "just another liberal democracy right".

Yet Turkey is held up as something the countries of the Arab Spring can aspire to. Shows how far theyve all got to go.

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375189)

The military was the only thing keeping Turkey from turning into a theocracy. Ataturk basically abolished the more barbaric aspects of Islam in favor of modern secularization (abolished sharia in favor of secular law and banning the face veil, among other things). He did what was necessary and sadly, nobody completed what he started and wiped out religion entirely, meaning it left only a matter of time before the military lost it's struggle for power. Now the military has finally lost the struggle to popular will (see mass "resignations" in 2011) and you're seeing both the foreign policy become more belligerent and the domestic policy become more totalitarian. The people want Islam, and this is what it entails. Over the next few years you're going to see turkey more and more Islamic and less and less friendly towards the west. There is really nothing that can be done. The battle lines between east and west are being drawn -- slowly but surely.

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375353)

You forgot to mention that Turkey has been illegally occupying the northern part of Cyprus since 1974.

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375477)

For fuck's sake, this is a country that once executed a guy for opposing a ban on a certain type of HAT.

To be fair, it was a 'Pope' hat.

captcha: maiming

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375943)

4 out of 5 things you mentioned were done towards preventing Turkey to become a radical Islamic country. Thanks to these measures Turkey has a different path from Iran or Iraq. Although, with more "democracy" it seems to be going the other way these days.

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#39377251)

Turkey is in the unenviable position of being caught between Ataturkism and Islam.

Ataturk understood what it took to push Turkey somewhat into the modern age, but the methods were harsh and as the military grip loosens Islamists will win. Islam is bad, Ataturkism is bad (ask surviving Armenians!), and Turkey should be kept out of the EU because it's not rational to weaken the EU by installing enemy cultures in positions of power. (If your culture doesn't promote secular freedom, it's evil to that degree. )

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

seyyah (986027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374187)

Turkey has never been a functional democracy. The military has a major hand in directing government policy and the state employs all kind of repressive measures (including torture) against groups and individuals who do not subscribe to the government-instituted identity created in the 1920s and 30s.

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375241)

And that brutality is the reason turkey is (for the moment) a modern state rather than a fundamentalist theocracy like the rest of the Muslim world. Ataturk realized what was necessary for the greater good and he did it. He realized full well the danger that Islam posed and the calamity it had brought on the Muslim world. It's a question of which is the lesser evil. Sometimes a brutal secular dictatorship is necessary to keep fundamentalist theocrats from taking over. As the Arab spring rapidly turns into fundamentalist winter, minorities are persecuted (copts in egypt, for example) and what little vestiges of secular freedom existed are slowly deteriorating. As far as i'm concerned, the only mistake the dictators made in the middle east was in not exterminating the fundamentalists entirely -- and gradually Islam entirely. To do the former and not the latter just invites an inevitable reformation. The USSR did it with Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Azerbaijan. The religious leadership was slaughtered and Mosques were closed. It's the only reason these countries aren't as backwards as Afghanistan and women have some semblance of respect (for the moment).

Thank god they're not in the EU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374307)

Not yet anyway, but it's incredible that they can enter the EU without the full agreement of everyone. If Turkey gets in, how long before Israel gets into the EU. How long before the Schengen information system hands all our passport data over? How long before Russia gets in on the votes of Eastern Europe?

It was all a cosy club of like minded countries, now its an out of control bureaucracy that can expand without even a democratic leader.

Re:Can they stop them all? (2)

cold fjord (826450) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374359)

Re:Can they stop them all? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374553)

The problem with turks is they they think they're not ayrabs but they are.

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375867)

Wrong! Arabs are semitic, turk are, well, turkic, ethnically different

Turkey WAS a liberal DICTATORSHIP (2)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375327)

The modern Turkey was because it was a dictatorship ruled by the military who was okay with somewhat democratic leaders until they misbehaved and were stepped on. HARD!

The army enforced that the vision of Ataturk was followed and all was well, Turkey prospored and the west had a Muslim nation that leaned heavily to western ideas and values.

But the west didn't like this, democracy is the way and so Erdogan got into power and has been using the religious whankers to build his power base, relying on their fear of the westernized Turkey to build his powerbase. Roughly similar to how Republicans use fundementalist Christians. So it is moderate and liberal Muslims who favor dictatorship and fear democracy. The world is a strange and complex place and one solution definitly does not fit all. Not that the military is nice... they just are nicer then Erdogan. See Egypts military for a similar deal. A lot of Muslim nations are kept in check by military leaders who are far more modern then their supposedly democratic leaders.

Re:Turkey WAS a liberal DICTATORSHIP (1)

gox (1595435) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375443)

Not that the military is nice... they just are nicer then Erdogan.

Well I mostly agree to your other points, but not this. You can't herd a nation indefinitely. They need to shoot themselves in the foot and learn in the process. Western nations would not be able to adopt such an authoritative position in these matters if they hadn't screwed up royally in the past. Turkish people who approve censorship should be ashamed of themselves but at the current state they basically lack the wisdom.

Hell, racism was running rampant last time I was there, no one I met felt particularly awkward when others made derogatory remarks about Kurds, and even their extermination. Granted, that may be only a section of the population (mostly western-Turkey Kemalists), but they still are dearly in need of a confrontation with themselves. They lack it completely, *because* of the military herding of the past decades. These people (the old ruling class?) didn't even know that more than half the country didn't share their beliefs, and didn't feel threatened enough to voice bigoted arguments.

What I personally gather from all this, is that the majority population of Turkey currently lack the ability to take actions based on their own views, hence, they don't actually know what their views entail. Yes, it will take a painfully long time for them to figure out, but I think it's inevitable.

Re:Turkey WAS a liberal DICTATORSHIP (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375769)

Well I mostly agree to your other points, but not this. You can't herd a nation indefinitely.

Cute general theoretical principle. Please get me a side of fluffy pink unicors with that.

You not only can, but if you don't, war will follow.

Re:Turkey WAS a liberal DICTATORSHIP (1)

gox (1595435) | more than 2 years ago | (#39377477)

if you don't, war will follow.

That's what I was advocating, preferably a more 'civil' one. I'd expect to be labeled as evil, rather than naive though.

Re:Turkey WAS a liberal DICTATORSHIP (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375569)

Roughly similar to how Republicans use fundementalist Christians.

I hate to change the subject but I was talking to my girlfriend about this yesterday. I don't think you have it the right way around. I think the Christian Dominionists are hitching themselves to the greediest citizens that generally care the least about civil liberties, especially if they are getting rich off of their loss (I'm looking at you prison industry). That group just happens to be your average crony-type Republican at this point in time.

Re:Can they stop them all? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39379825)

Current AKP govt of Turkey is actually implementing internet filter now that blocks websites related to Darwin and evolution theory, while allowing religious clerks websites (such as this http://www.harunyahya.com/) teaching Radical Islam, worrisome things happening with islamist AKP govt there.

Re:Can they stop them all? (1)

ponraul (1233704) | more than 2 years ago | (#39381397)

I'm familiar with how sites are blocked in Turkey.

They don't have a Chinese style "great firewall." Instead the tell the isps to not resolve the dns of certian addresses. Such filtering can be circumvented by using dns servers that aren't run by major isps.

What else? (4, Insightful)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374013)

So has Slashdot been banned yet? File lockers? Blogs? I have a feeling those datasets need some replication so the Turks can get them.

Re:What else? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374557)

For the answer to the first question, check if compile times have magically dwindled there.

Re:What else? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374985)

BTK: Our sikrits have been put up on posters and stuck up on buildings all over the city!
Greek court: BAN ALL WALLS.

Re:What else? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39380123)

pastebin published leaks last week erdogan & stratfor & gulen, pretty serious stuff.!!

Gotta block pastebin! (2)

Tyrannosaur (2485772) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374025)

Because there aren't hundreds of other sites that you can dump passwords on for people to see? How does Turkey see this slippery slope as sustainable? Just do us the favour of having to watch it in slow-motion and cut off the entire internet. It would get to the resolution of all this a whole lot faster.

Re:Gotta block pastebin! (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374311)

Yeah, they should use MegaUpload instead

Re:Gotta block pastebin! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374315)

Why not just run a spam-bot to spam Comments on as many websites as possible...

Re:Gotta block pastebin! (1)

gox (1595435) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375313)

They just need support of Western nations, and the everyday excuse. If the US/EU takes one more a step towards censorship, they'll make one more leap. What Turkey wants to censor the most are "terrorist publications", but most of their definitions are vague (they might even have been the model for the 21. century "terror" rhetoric of the US, but they don't have enough political power to enforce their will globally), which is very hard to support externally, so they tend to make their advances using the "children", "copyright" and "security" rhetoric, which are politically more acceptable.

I don't think the model they have in mind is a cut off of Internet, but instead an approval mechanism (they've attempted this more than a decade ago but basically no one cared, the proposed methods were practically impossible). So essentially you will be able to publish information if you have a certificate from a government agency of an ally country. I think it's what any government wants really.

Also, you can't pull these things off without support of the populace, which they have.

US will lose (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375963)

You see this everytime, and it's true. The US was the nation that has been pushing the world towards freedom in the last 50 years. Most other nations, including those in the EU, don't agree that there should be freedom of the press in the sense that Americans understand the word.

In America lots of nations are considered more free than America because in one specific detail they're slightly more

Of course that doesn't mean there isn't a world of difference between EU and something like muslims or china. There is, and sadly it varies from "free except x,y,z" (EU) and "print what we say, and crossword puzzles" (china) to "do what we say, and we'll still attack you" (muslims). Live for a month in a few different parts of the world and you'll see this in practice.

This idea, that absolute freedom of opinion is even good is losing ground, for 2 reasons. Firstly, it's losing ground in America. Whether we're talking liberals (don't say anything about race) to republicans (don't say anything bad about capitalism). Second, America itself is losing ground, and not to nations that espouse freedom of opinion as a core value. Just compare the US to, oh the UN for example, and you'll see the horror that is the truth.

Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (5, Interesting)

UltimaBuddy (2566017) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374031)

So, while I gotta respect your unique position at the nexus between cultures, you really don't know what you're doing, do you?

It's shit like this, Turkey. Just... shit like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union [wikipedia.org]

Yeah, even 2021 is a bit optimistic.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (4, Insightful)

Formalin (1945560) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374101)

Turkey is never going to enter the EU. It just isn't going to happen. They've been getting trolled for decades.

Besides, the EU might not even exist by then, at least not in current form.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (PU) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374195)

Norway may be granted entry before Turkey but not both. Already too many 3rd-world 'countries' in Eu as it is so a Norway AND a Turkey won't fly (ask one Arthur Carlson). Any more and it would be PU.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (PU) (5, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374889)

Norway may be granted entry before Turkey but not both. Already too many 3rd-world 'countries' in Eu as it is so a Norway AND a Turkey won't fly (ask one Arthur Carlson). Any more and it would be PU.

lol. norway could join tomorrow if they wanted. no one in EU would say no to that, their human rights situation etc are more in compliance with eu rules than most eu countries. Norway isn't in EU because they're swimming in cash and they don't hate their government. Norway just happens to be getting what it wants from eu anyways. and fyi you can just walk over from eu to norway - if you're prepared to pay 8 bucks for a beer at a discount store and more for tobacco than in nyc.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (PU) (3)

Elbart (1233584) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374893)

Norway may be granted entry before Turkey but not both.

The people of Norway made it clear already (twice!) that they have no interest of being in the EU.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (PU) (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375087)

    Watch out, the next time there is a vote on it, there may be 113% of the voters who approve joining the EU.

    It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened in history ... or even in the last month.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (PU) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376701)

    Watch out, the next time there is a vote on it, there may be 113% of the voters who approve joining the EU.

You are mistaking the state Florida with the country Norway. They are kinda shaped the same, but swing in a different direction.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (PU) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374961)

I'm afraid that no amount of hateful prejudice on your part will make Poland a "3rd-world country", nice try though, keep up the bigotry, it must get you lots of friends in real life.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (PU) (2)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375861)

I think he meant Greece.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (PU) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375491)

For your information, Norway has rejected the EU twice, not the other way round. Seems the Norwegians like hanging on to that oil money, thanks very much.

Norway is a member of Schengen, though, so their borders are already quite open. In some places, it's not even marked, and you don't even realise that you've left Sweden until you get to a town with signs in Norwegian.

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39380367)

Turkey? average memed-sixpack is victim.
more like should say AKP (govt party) meet meet me at cam 5...

Re:Turkey, meet me at camera 3 (1)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 2 years ago | (#39383479)

You realize it was the Netherlands that ordered ISP's to block the Pirate Bay, right?

And that the US came dangerously close to Random Corporate Internet blocking (SOPA) just a few weeks ago, right?

Best Las Vegas Nightclubs (-1, Offtopic)

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YEAH BUT TURKEY IS GOING TO THE MOON IN 2029 !!` (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374063)

So eat that and die motherfuckin kommietards !!

tinyurl blocked simply because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374119)

Some technical illiterate who's managing the blocklist heard that you could get to Pastebin from clicking on some Tinyurl links.

this FP 7or GNAA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374131)

Turkey is our friend! (-1, Troll)

gavron (1300111) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374211)

We need more friends who censor our internet, support our enemies (Syria) and attack our friends (Israel).

Long live Turkey. It's not just a bird eaten on Thanksgiving... it's also a country of terrorists supporting other terrorists.

Quick let's give them money. Maybe they won't stab us in the back, kill israelis, support Syrian oppression, and do something useful.

*puff*

E

Re:Turkey is our friend! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374335)

gavron you are ignorant!

please search Turkey-Syria relations in google or somewhere else...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria%E2%80%93Turkey_relations
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15745199

They banned tinyurl (2)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374229)

because bit.ly paid 'em off. I mean if you follow "who has the most to gain" theory of detective work type of thing...

Pasting the Turkey (-1)

Pfhorrest (545131) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374235)

Am I the only one who read this as "Turkey Bans Baste pin and Tinyurl" and wondered "Wait, what does tinyurl have to do with basting a turkey?"

Re:Pasting the Turkey (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374451)

Wait, what does tinyurl have to do with basting a turkey?

According to Rule 34 of the Internet there is a website that will help explain that to you.

Re:Pasting the Turkey (0)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375107)

    Too late. The porn was made of it *LONG* before Rule 34 was created.

Re:Pasting the Turkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374477)

Yes, you are probably the only one.

Re:Pasting the Turkey (0)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374891)

Probably -- the rest of us can read.

Who needs tiny? (1)

dmomo (256005) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374267)

They should still be able to make their URLs cute [socuteurl.com] .

actually how are they blocking ? (1)

johnjones (14274) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374285)

ok so in a lot of countries block objecting sites...

in the UK (which is still in the EU) they block child pornography sites via DNS and url this even blocked part of wikipedia.org for a while until people noticed...
(there is no public list)

so what really interest's me is how are they blocking those sites ?
who sold this to them or did they develop it themselves and are they issuing SSL certificates for sites to inspect the payload of SSL traffic ?

anyone actually have the TECHNICAL DETAILS ?

regards

John Jones

Re:actually how are they blocking ? (4, Informative)

Archon-X (264195) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374299)

If it's the same implementation as Turkey's (now defuct) ban YouTube, it was done on a DNS level.

Simply changing your DNS servers to anything else (Google / OpenDNS, etc) - not only do you bypass the block, but you also have reliable DNS.

Re:actually how are they blocking ? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#39380455)

so what really interest's me

What interests me is finding out why in the hell you guys do that?

Hardly ECHR compliant (1)

igb (28052) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374431)

I guess all that talk about how keen Turkey is to join the EU is just that: talk.

Comedy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374491)

They blocked blogspot.
In retaliation they got hacked and the info posted to pastebin.
They blocked pastebin.

The people in charge of this country don't learn too fast do they...
I look fwd to them being hacked next week in retaliation for blocking pastebin. Maybe they could post the stolen info to the riaa or mpaa. So they get blocked next. And then nobody would care. :)

Someones gonna have to be the bigger man to stop the cycle of stupidity here.. And somehow i really doubt it's gonna be the internet 'hackers'.

EU membership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374541)

How does this square with their desire for EU membership?

Yeah, there probably isn't any sort of requirement that member countries not censor the web, but raising a stink by using Turkey's example may be a great way to get such a requirement debated and created.

Lacking such a Good Bad Example, right now people are putting up with more censorship than they should, and it's increasing. It's quite like raising the water temperature too slow for the frog to notice. The problem needs a bogeyman - let's use Turkey.

Freedom of nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374659)

This news and the others about the 100+ journalists in jails for opposing their government is scary. I don't think Bush did a good job by supporting Erdogan to become the dictator of the new Islamic Turkey... It's funny I was watching law & order, and the judge released a rapist for his right to a "speedy trial" ( the victim was killed before the trial and not much evidence is left and the judge gave 3 days). There are journalists in Turkey whom have been in the prison for 3+ years and their trial is still on going... Prosecutors still look for evidence, and for some reason cannot find any but are very determined and believe there is... 3 years man! wtf!

Re:Freedom of nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374683)

Well said bro!

Ban Tinyurl? (1)

w3vnzoom (2588267) | more than 2 years ago | (#39374745)

Ban tinyurl is really? They can Ban all of shortUrl? Wordpress URLs [wordpress.com]

Incompetent, much? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39374927)

This is not about democracy or being liberal or EU or whatever. This is a major chain feth up created by incompetents. Some idiot database administrator/webcoder lacked experience, or technical mojo, to secure the database access and the information residing there within. When it got leaked they did what any panicked administration who has no regard for public relations whatsoever does: ban everything that makes you look bad. What would be the repercussions? Lemme tell you: none. The sysadmin who works for the institution who created this situation will not even get a reprimand.

I mean this is very funny in a very tragic way. A government institution starts to gather information, vital, sensitive kind including gsm numbers and all that. This information is stored in a database without any kind of encryption. Info gets leaked, the users who has nothing to do with this activity suffers...

Do you see it? This is about not owning your shit up. The responsibility "thing" is missing from there. Why oh why does a government institution stoops to collect this kind of information should be asked but a more important question resides there: why does nobody owns the situation up and merely tries to assess it in a, I dunno, calm way and say "hey, what the hell are we doing? Why are we banning these public services for two or three pages? Not only it will make us look bad; it will also generate more attention to those files..."

And the same administration assumes a very shocked face when smart people leave here for good and do not return... "oh but why the 'brain drain' happens?" Seriously?!

Obligatory Zumabot mention (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375419)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdar_Argic

Never (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 2 years ago | (#39375551)

Never let these yahoos into the EU. Ever.

the work is "surprising" not "shocking" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39375729)

I don't think this news is quite up to "shocking" level.
Even in the geek world, it isn't.

russia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376253)

The REAL question we shuld be asking here is this:

If RUSSIA was going to invade TURKEY from THE REAR..........

Would GREASE help?????

Obama's 'favorite ruler in the mideast region' (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39378675)

Is Turkey's Erdogan.

Turkey Pans Baste Bin (1)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | more than 2 years ago | (#39379949)

I think this is just an ad for kitchen equipment typically used at Thanksgiving / Christmas. Wrong time of year!
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