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Iran Deleted From the World's Banking Computers

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the let's-see-if-they-notice dept.

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dtjohnson writes "Iran is being deleted from the world banking system Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) computers as of Saturday at 1600 UTC. Once the SWIFT codes for Iranian banks are deleted, Iranian banks will no longer be able to transfer funds to and from other worldwide banks, turning Iranian international commerce into a barter operation. SWIFT is taking the action at the request of EU members to comply with international sanctions against Iran due to its program to develop nuclear weapons. The effect will be to drastically hinder Iran's ability to execute international business transactions."

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The people will be the ones who suffer (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376297)

The whole reason that Iran and North Korea even began pursuing nuclear weapons is because of that incredibly stupid "Axis of Evil" speech that George Bush made in 2003. When the largest military power in the world labels you as one of three "Axis of Evil" members, then proceeds to invade one of the other two, it tends to make you a bit twitchy. And, both Iran and NK know that the only way to really protect yourself from U.S. invasion is with nuclear weapons.

Due mainly to Israeli and U.S. propaganda, a lot of people seem to think that Iran is building nukes to attack Israel. But the fact is that Iran has never shown itself to be a particularly hostile or irrational nation in any military sense. And even despite the anti-U.S. rhetoric that followed the revolution that overthrew the U.S. puppet shah and the U.S. helping Saddam Hussein during the Iraq/Iran war, Iranians have been surprisingly open to U.S. diplomacy in the past. They were even one of the first countries to offer the U.S. condolences after the 9-11 attacks, and in the pre-Bush years maintained a stable, if sometimes tense, relationship with the U.S. They're a country that seems to want to be liked on the world stage. But they're also a country that wants to send a message to the U.S. that they're not going to stand by and be invaded on some U.S. oil grab.

So we cut off their banks and hit them with sanctions. Fine. A lot of Iranian people will suffer. And maybe this will lead them to negotiate, maybe not.

But you know what I bet would ABSOLUTELY lead them to negotiate and drop their nuke program?

1) Offer a few public goodwill gestures to make it clear that the U.S. is *not* going to invade them or attack them
2) Tell Mossad to stop assassinating their scientists, or face sanctions of their own.
3) Reign in Israel and make it clear to them that attacking Iran will NOT be tolerated, and will cost them the friendship of the U.S.
4) Normalizing relations with Iran.

You do those four things, and you won't need to cut off their banks to get them to the table. They'll be *running* to get to the table.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376331)

Oh sorry, what I meant to say was F1RST POST!!!!!!!

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376549)

You must be an Iranian shill!!!

Everyone knows any time a sensible coment it's posted in Slashdot within the first 5 minutes of it going up, it's because the poster was a paid shill!!! :p

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (-1, Troll)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376333)

If the people allow their government to do evil things, they deserve to suffer.

And hey I'm an American and we just went through a terrible economic crisis after starting a bunch of wars. But who did we choose to run the country after that? Hint: not the same people and definitely not a religious theocracy.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (-1, Troll)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376375)

If the people allow their government to do evil things, they deserve to suffer.

And hey I'm an American and we just went through a terrible economic crisis after starting a bunch of wars. But who did we choose to run the country after that? Hint: not the same people and definitely not a religious theocracy.

WHAT THE FUCK. You require professional help.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376389)

Hey, you're right! We (unwittingly) elected a Muslim to President! He should be able to smooth it all over easy!

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (0, Troll)

hjf (703092) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376435)

You're an american idiot.

"Terrible economic crisis". From everyone else in the world, and especially from those countries your constant wars completely destroy their economies: FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR MOTHER, YOUR FUCKING UNCLE SAM, AND FUCK YOUR WHINY LITTLE ASS, FUCKING AMERICUNT.

Now mod me down motherfuckers, it's all you can do. Fuck every last one of you.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376605)

Come on now, you can't lump us all in with this martian.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (2)

hjf (703092) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376671)

I was just playing the generalization game. Like he was with his "people allow government to do X" crap.

By his standards, the world is simple: it's your fault if your government does something evil, and you should suffer for it. By that simplification of the world we can also say that all americans are retards. And that every french is smelly, and every japanese is a rapist.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (3, Insightful)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376749)

The problem with the generalization game is like the problem with chemical/nuclear warfare - you hit a lot more than your designated targets.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (0)

andyteleco (1090569) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376479)

You f***n biggot. What do you think, that their government was ELECTED?

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376485)

If the people allow their government to do evil things, they deserve to suffer.

You do realise that's exactly the same rationale that the Islamic extremist groups use to justify their attacks on civilian targets, right?

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (0)

gx240 (1382643) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376683)

Yes, and that rational is regarded by the vast majority of the world as absolutely legitimate.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376503)

You are saying that Americans deserve to suffer? Because your government is doing definately evil things after all, in all fronts, and in a scale several orders above Iran.

At least now the slavery they are pushing aren't based specifically on skin color.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Insightful)

durrr (1316311) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376553)

The people of Iran once had a democratically elected leader. The CIA didn't like that and installed a puppet regime, everything went to hell after that.

Although, still Iran do have a quite high standard of living. They only lack several human rights(and the west is trying to catch up in reaching the same limitations) and no democratic elections, despite these flaws, it's a quite stable nation. People may be discontent, but starting a civil war to remove the powers that be requires a fair bit more than discontent. Thus, the people of iran don't really have much of a choice. And with the recent polarization of iran vs the west that is going on, this situation is damn sure to not improve in any progressive and positive manner.

And this is not just about iran and the US and israel. Russia and china are on the sidelines too.

A good recepie for shitstorm reads like this: Increasing geopolitical tensions in the middle of a economic fucking crisis. The more i see this shit play out, the more the picture looks like the US being a powertripping neoimperialistic Rome 2.0 in the decline stage.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376771)

What evil things?

Look. The US and EU claim to believe in and promote democracy. There's a very democratic way to handle the decision of whether to apply sanctions on Iran or not - allow individual citizens and companies to decide whether they'll trade with Iran or not. If there is genuine moral outrage at the "evil" things Iran is doing, individuals will refuse to trade and will boycott or publically pressure firms who do.

This clearly has not happened, perhaps because 90% of the people don't give a shit about Iran. Faced with overwhelming democratically proven apathy the "powers that be" have decided to force their citizens hand with decisions that cannot be voted on, or overridden. This is the opposite of democracy, and the kind of blatant hypocrisy that makes people jaded and cynical.

You know what? When the war comes I'll be rooting for Iran. I don't sign on to this perpetual war bullshit but was never asked, won't BE asked, and thanks to our wonderfully centralized financial system won't be able to do anything about it independently either.

And please STFU about Iran being a religious theocracy. Last time I checked every remaining candidate for the Republican nomination is competing on how much they love Jesus and how much they'd oppress people who don't follow their own stone age religious views. American is going to end up in the same place soon enough.

Reign in Israel? (2)

wiredog (43288) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376349)

Right. Because invading a country with ICBMs will work out so much better.

Re:Reign in Israel? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376437)

I meant "rein in" wiseguy.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Informative)

Troyusrex (2446430) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376383)

I guess you don't remember Jimmy Carter negotiating a treaty with North Korea back in 1994 almost exactly along the lines you state. Or them cheating on it by continuing to develop nuclear weapons and being called on it even before Bush was elected and well before the Axis of Evil speech.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376517)

North Korea is a different story. There is a whole different dynamic at work in that country. I'll deliver my thoughts on that when a NK story pops up.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376599)

I think you made a typo in your first post. The first sentence starts with "The whole reason that Iran and North Korea even began pursuing nuclear weapons is because". I guess that "North Korea" should have read "Iran".

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (2, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376741)

No, I meant there is a whole different dynamic on how they pursue negotiations, and how they must be dealt with. Their recent breakneck pursuit of nuclear weapons did indeed begin after the "Axis of Evil" speech. They were even a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. It was only in 2003 that they withdrew and ratcheted up their nuke and missile program. Read up on it [wikipedia.org] for yourself.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Insightful)

atriusofbricia (686672) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376585)

I guess you don't remember Jimmy Carter negotiating a treaty with North Korea back in 1994 almost exactly along the lines you state. Or them cheating on it by continuing to develop nuclear weapons and being called on it even before Bush was elected and well before the Axis of Evil speech.

Remembering that information would conflict with the "Everything that is wrong or has gone wrong in the last 10 - 15 years is George W Bush's fault" pillar. Thus, down the memory hole with that.

The OP also failed to mention Ahmadinejad's "wipe Israel off the map" speech along with all the various speeches from him and others in their government saying Israel has no right to exist. I've never really supported the seeming "Israel First" politics of the US government over the last few decades, but to say that Iran only wants to get along with its neighbors and be good little world citizens is a bit off. Again, we can't mention any of that though as it conflicts with the central pillars of "GWB blame" and "USA blame".

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376403)

I don't think this is about much of anything but petroleum, and more specifically, petro-dollars. The US doesn't want Iran at the table, they want them at heel.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (0)

gtvr (1702650) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376409)

Iran has been working on this since before that speech. Nice try to blame us, Mahmoud.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376433)

"Reign in Israel?" Seriously? This is why using the proper word is so important. The word you want, the one that everyone gets wrong, is "rein". As in horses. As in "hold back" and "prevent from running" and "control". NOT "reign" as "I'm the king and you're not". If the US should "reign in Israel" I think the Israelis aren't the only ones who might have a problem with that.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376527)

Your right. My apologies.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (-1, Flamebait)

NEDHead (1651195) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376607)

While we are at it, that would be 'you're'

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1, Troll)

sxpert (139117) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376531)

it's actually the other way around... the Israelis REIGN in the USA

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376455)

Sorry, but the US doesn't appease to the masses... look at how it treats us....

They only answer to the interests of corporations that want to pillage resources and keep people uneducated and in control... China and Russia want the same thing, of course... not just the US.

Same shit, different masks.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1, Insightful)

iceperson (582205) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376457)

Neville Chamberlain couldn't have said it better.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (2, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376635)

If that is a not-so-subtle attempt at Godwinning me, you should ask yourself what countries Iran has invaded in modern history, or what fascist or imperialist intentions they have shown. You might also want to think about how that argument could so easily be turned back on the U.S., and ask those same questions about the U.S. in the last ten years. The answers point to a truth you probably don't want to think about. So why not just sit down instead?

Iran doesnt project military force (5, Insightful)

voss (52565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376737)

It backs terrorist groups in Palestine, Israel, Iraq, Egypt, Turkey,etc,etc. Then again we made nice with Qaddafi before we starting shooting his own people and he blew up a US airliner and bombed a cafe full of US soldiers.

If you really want to get an idea of bizarre US policy look at Cuba. Cuba hasnt sponsored Terrorism in 40 years and is still embargoed while we did business with Qaddafi and Iran. Americans can visit North Korea a country we are still technically at war with but they cant visit Cuba a country we were never at war with and we are one of their largest trading partners.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376745)

There's a third option, which is that Iran really does intend to turn Israel into a parking lot, AND that the US is an empire builder.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (0)

hjf (703092) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376491)

You know what's the worst part about it? Israel is constantly taunting Iran with their bullshit. They go and say they will do "whatever it takes" to "stop" Israel. Does that mean Israel is willing to nuke iran? To me it sounds like it. That, or they will use their henchmen, the americans, for that.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Insightful)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376509)

The whole reason that Iran and North Korea even began pursuing nuclear weapons is because of that incredibly stupid "Axis of Evil" speech that George Bush made in 2003.

It's "incredibly stupid" to think that a Bush speech in 2003 caused all this. The USA's relationship with Iran has been shitty since 1979 and Ayatollah Khomeini's return from exile. To claim otherwise is in flagrant denial of reality and you only oust yourself as some anti-Zionist nutcase.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376631)

It's incredibly stupid to not realize that the US meddled with Iran before that and overthrew their democratically elected government because Iran nationalized their oil industry. Feel free to wake up to cause and effect!

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376783)

I didn't say anything to the contrary.

I pointed out the fallacy of the FP, I didn't write an essay along the lines of "why diplomatic relations between the USA and Iran are less than ideal." If you actually had the testicular fortitude to back up such a stupid comment, you wouldn't have made it as an AC.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (3, Informative)

lwriemen (763666) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376733)

The USA's relationship with Iran has been shitty since 1979

Actually, even before that due to our support for the Shah.

As for Israel, Jello Biafra has some interesting comments here [alternativetentacles.com] .

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Informative)

rhombic (140326) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376753)

The USA's relationship with Iran has been shitty since 1979 and Ayatollah Khomeini's return from exile. To claim otherwise is in flagrant denial of reality and you only oust yourself as some anti-Zionist nutcase.

1953 wasn't exactly a good year for the relationship between the US and the people of Iran. You know, when the US and Britain overthrew their democratically elected government and converted the Shah from a figurehead to a dictator. The population might have gotten a bit peeved at that.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376551)

The whole reason that Iran and North Korea even began pursuing nuclear weapons is because of that incredibly stupid "Axis of Evil" speech that George Bush made in 2003.

Ah yes. That must explain how Iran already had such facilities working before 2002, and all those hidden facilities back in the 90's [wikipedia.org] . It also must explain why North Korea has been working on it since the 60's [wikipedia.org] .

Anyway, simple point, you've got the order wrong. They were pursuing nuclear weapons before the speech.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376571)

You sir, are a fucking moron!

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376573)

It's not just that the people will suffer, it's also that:

1. Sanctions have never worked to accomplish anything, ever.
2. Trade is good for everyone, and it's good for peace.

I could understand sanctions narrowly tailored to weapons and nuclear equipment/material. Of course, those would be impossible to enforce. Not that the current sanctions are any easier to enforce...

What have trade sanctions on Cuba accomplished? What have trade sanctions on North Korea accomplished? I hate how those countries treat their people, but I don't see how trade sanctions do anything but make the situations worse.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376629)

You do those four things, and you won't need to cut off their banks to get them to the table. They'll be *running* to get to the table.

It's not hard to get them at the table. Iran has been negotiating, and the Egyptians even got an agreement out of them, but Obama chose to go forward with sanctions instead of accepting a deal that would have accomplished what the sanctions were intended to accomplish. Check out the March 8th Daily Show with Trita Parsi for details.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376633)

The whole reason that Iran and North Korea even began pursuing nuclear weapons is because of that incredibly stupid "Axis of Evil" speech that George Bush made in 2003.

Wasn't so stupid, then, was it, if the goal was eventually to have an excuse to invade those countries. Bush Jr. may well be nothing but an alcohol-soaked nitwit, I wouldn't know, but he certainly has intelligent friends, like his evil killer father.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376721)

I am sorry I think you may have the chronological order of things messed up a bit here.
Iran and NK were pursuing nuclear weapons long before the "Axis of Evil" speech. I agree that the speech was ridiculous, but lets not make it seem like these countries actions is a direct reaction to it.
NK has been starving its people for decades. Maybe you should check out http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3.
Iran is an Islamist republic with leaders that publicly deny that the Holocaust happened. They have also publicly refused to accept the right of Israel to exist as a country. Oh yeah they have also funded and armed the murderous Assad regime in Syriah. Maybe you also forgot how hard Iran put down the Green revolution a few years ago - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932010_Iranian_election_protests. This country locks up any politician who has a perspective that deviates from the hardline Islamist Ayatollah.
I due not necessarily condone the United States track record of foreign policy, but it is never an excuse for a regime to murder its own people or to build weapons whose sole purpose is to murder others.
The only propaganda I see being spread is your position which was unfortunately the first post.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376729)

The whole reason that Iran and North Korea even began pursuing nuclear weapons is because of that incredibly stupid "Axis of Evil" speech that George Bush made in 2003. When the largest military power in the world labels you as one of three "Axis of Evil" members, then proceeds to invade one of the other two, it tends to make you a bit twitchy. And, both Iran and NK know that the only way to really protect yourself from U.S. invasion is with nuclear weapons.

Due mainly to Israeli and U.S. propaganda, a lot of people seem to think that Iran is building nukes to attack Israel. But the fact is that Iran has never shown itself to be a particularly hostile or irrational nation in any military sense. And even despite the anti-U.S. rhetoric that followed the revolution that overthrew the U.S. puppet shah and the U.S. helping Saddam Hussein during the Iraq/Iran war, Iranians have been surprisingly open to U.S. diplomacy in the past. They were even one of the first countries to offer the U.S. condolences after the 9-11 attacks, and in the pre-Bush years maintained a stable, if sometimes tense, relationship with the U.S. They're a country that seems to want to be liked on the world stage. But they're also a country that wants to send a message to the U.S. that they're not going to stand by and be invaded on some U.S. oil grab.

So we cut off their banks and hit them with sanctions. Fine. A lot of Iranian people will suffer. And maybe this will lead them to negotiate, maybe not.

But you know what I bet would ABSOLUTELY lead them to negotiate and drop their nuke program?

1) Offer a few public goodwill gestures to make it clear that the U.S. is *not* going to invade them or attack them
2) Tell Mossad to stop assassinating their scientists, or face sanctions of their own.
3) Reign in Israel and make it clear to them that attacking Iran will NOT be tolerated, and will cost them the friendship of the U.S.
4) Normalizing relations with Iran.

You do those four things, and you won't need to cut off their banks to get them to the table. They'll be *running* to get to the table.

Its comical the above comment was labled interesting...

In the example of North Korea pursuing Nuclear weapons is due to the mentality of the reigime in place. Its similar to a child persuing matches and lighters that they are told they are not mature enough to have. Further more NK having nuclear weapons honestly does destablize the region by an inbalance of power suddenly shifted to a dictatorship that feels its threatened by every neighbour except china. Cat backed into a corner comes to mind.

This has little to do with Dubbiya's speach in 2003.

Iran is a different kettle of fish as it truely does sponsor terroism, and harbours radical organisations who might try to steal nuclear arms which would be a more likely threat than the Iranian government actually trying to attack Israel.

Goodwill gestures, Israel issues, "normailizing relations" will have f... all squared to do with fixing the problem and will end up creating similar situations to North Korea as a couple of your points is US policy towards NK

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1)

tmayes86 (2597003) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376763)

North Korea started their nuclear program in 1999. Well before the axis of evil BS. Also, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad telling the UN that Iran is going to "Wipe out Israel with a burst of holy fire." may have not helped his case. This isn't propaganda, It's a real threat. I stand with Israel on this one.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (1, Interesting)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376769)

The fact is though Iran's leaders both the Ayatollah and the president frequent label the Israelis as the infidel. I don't know about the Ayatollah but the president has said the same thing about the US AND threatened to wipe out Israel.

  So in terms of fiery rhetoric; I don't think calling us the Infidel vs us calling them the Axis of Evil is really different. As to making threats, we have never suggested we mean to wipe anyone off the earth, and we have followed thru on the threats we have made.

Lives are at stake and it really is potentially us vs them. I don't see why we should not expect leaders to be mature enough not to be making idle threats, I don't think I want to expose my family to the risk they prove to be something other than idle threats, when they come from someone with the ability to carry them out, that is the test.

If Iran becomes a Nuclear power we could lose a city to a suitcase type dirty bomb. They have labeled us the Infidel and treated to destroy that same infidel; once they have the capability to do that then WE MUST ASSUME THEY MEAN TO DO IT and either remove their capability to do it or destroy them. A better option is to deny them the capability in the first place.

From their perspective they can no doubt say the same thing, and from a purely ethical stand point they have right try. The fact is we are where we are, threats have been made. If they continue to arm there are no choices. Its not a question of who is right and who is wrong, at this stage is a practical matter of me and mine come before them and theirs; and we are the mightier.

Re:The people will be the ones who suffer (5, Insightful)

Frangible (881728) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376779)

... and, to top it all off, sanctions don't work. This has been clearly demonstrated before with India and Pakistan. Both had clandestine nuclear programs that produced full Teller-Ulam designs and we didn't know about either until it was too late. A few years after sanctions were started, we dropped them.

Fundamentally, nuclear weapons come down to digging rocks out of the ground. Theoretically you don't even need to enrich the uranium; you can use heavy water as a moderator if you have access to an ocean. Which Iran does. So they could produce plutonium entirely from natural uranium. And there is a great deal of natural uranium.

I also don't agree with the notion Iran is going to make weapons from uranium. India and Pakistan didn't. It's a complete waste of uranium. They are better off transmuting uranium into plutonium.

Then again, I never really agreed with the idea of dictating a sovereign nation-state's technological development in the first place. It always has failed, and always will, and just serves to piss a country off and unite its people against you. You reinforce every reason and argument to develop nuclear weapons in the first place, and remove any internal opposition to it.

Nuclear technology cannot be stopped -- it is just too abundant in nature. You might as well try to stop nature itself. We are delusional to think otherwise when we have always failed in the past.

hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376315)

So the US of A is being sanctioned too since they have a really prolific nuclear program ?

I wonder what happens when.. (2)

Severus Snape (2376318) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376327)

They become a full nuclear power. Do we sit down and talk, then play nice with them?

Re:I wonder what happens when.. (2, Insightful)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376343)

You did it with the Jewish invaders of Palestine, why not with Persians?

Re:I wonder what happens when.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376579)

You've got a serious chicken/egg issue there. Wouldn't the Jews have been the original occupants of that area until successive generations of occupiers pushed them out? Who is the real invader?

Re:I wonder what happens when.. (2, Informative)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376621)

Palestine is the name of the formerly-sovereign state of Israel, given by the Romans after their conquest. So the Jews invaded their own country?

Re:I wonder what happens when.. (1)

TheKeyboardSlayer (729293) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376347)

They become a full nuclear power. Do we sit down and talk, then play nice with them?

I don't think any country will allow it to get that far unfortunately :/

blame ze juze!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376337)

the jewss the jewssssssssblameeee thE jewwwwwwsss!!!!!
and then blame the blacks right after.

AHA!!! (0)

Grindalf (1089511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376557)

Rabbi Falstein are you laying NAZI traps again? Shame on you! :0)

Great idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376353)

...Piss off the ones with the nukes...that WILL use them.

Re:Great idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376447)

...Piss off the ones with the nukes...that WILL use them.

I assume your talking about the US of A? They are the only ones so far to have used them....

Ugh. Swift MTs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376359)

Try translating that jumbled mess into a readable format. It's a pain.

Re:Ugh. Swift MTs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376483)

I don't play MMOs. I had to look up wtf you meant by that, but yeah.

Re:Ugh. Swift MTs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376703)

Of course, not be confused with Swifty

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/darkspear/Swifty/simple

Sanctions against Iran ARE an act of war (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376373)

We cannot afford any more wars.

If you think going toe-to-toe with Iran is a good idea, then i suggest you commit to donate 2x the annual federal taxes you currently pay and sign up for the military.

Double standards AGAIN.... (0)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376381)

Doesn't it seem interesting that Israel hasn't been penalized with such punishments when it already has a fistful of nukes and not just a nascent program to make one? Isn't it curious that the international community lacks the theory of mind to comprehend how Iran might justify a need for nuclear weapons in the same way that Israel or the United States did?

Re:Double standards AGAIN.... (1)

gtvr (1702650) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376451)

Have you noticed that Israel HAS nukes but hasn't used them, whereas Iran regularly tells people about which nations that they want to wipe from the face of the Earth?

Re:Double standards AGAIN.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376559)

I don't know if he has, but I'm a completely ignorant AC, so I haven't. So please, do tell: who does Iran said they want to wipe off the face of the Earth? You got links/citations?

I'm not saying this out of spite. I'm seriously interested. Again, I'll gladly admit to be an ignoramus (and lazy, as I'm not doing the search myself) if it'll get you to post some links

Re:Double standards AGAIN.... (2)

rnswebx (473058) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376717)

try this [wikipedia.org]

Re:Double standards AGAIN.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376667)

The USA has nukes, declared war and took it one step further than any of them...

Re:Double standards AGAIN.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376773)

That's not the right order. The USA declared war, and then it had nukes.

Re:Double standards AGAIN.... (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376677)

Statement of intent != action

Re:Double standards AGAIN.... (0)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376781)

Aside from statements of intent not being synonymous with action, how do you place, within the context of your hypocritical delusion, the documented plans and statements of the United States to use nuclear weapons against the Soviet Union, including documented plans for first strike scenarios? I doubt those plans and statements are unique amongst the nuclear powers, either.

Re:Double standards AGAIN.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376537)

Yes, indeed, that interesting.

Furthermore; Iran hasn't threatend to attack Israel, whereas Israel is constantly threatening to attack Iran.

Just in time! (1)

lsolano (398432) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376391)

I bought just two days ago a Persian relic on eBay and thanks God I could transfer the $7000 via SWIFT!

It's not about nukes. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376401)

It's about dollar-backed oil [telegraph.co.uk] .

Re:It's not about nukes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376611)

An old story... which also is claimed to be the reason for both Persian Gulf Wars.

Too bad it simply is not true.

If only Iran had nukes... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376405)

I'd think that what is happening to Iran can be considered for all practical purposes an act of war.
Seriously, try uplugging the UK or France or the US from the International Banking System. I'd guess that 2 seconds later you'll start seeing tomahwaks missiles flying straight to whoever is reponsable for such a despicable act.

I'd hope that Iran tells the west to fuck off and finishes their military nuclear program. Once it's done no more shenanigans from the US and other corrupt democracies.

Not surprising, a bit sensationalist (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376407)

It's more like "many" banks in Iran are being temporarily blocked from processing transactions with the EU. It's not all the banks in Iraq, and it doesn't appear to apply to transactions anywhere outside of the EU. It probably will hurt the people the most, but that's true of practically every sanction available. And it's cheaper, takes less time, and is easier to recover from sanctions than bombing raids that wipe out a country's infrastructure, which is the alternative.

New SWIFT (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376421)

Cutting iran off SWIFT may lead to development of new messaging system between Iran, Russia, China etc. This would make banks of those countries less dependent on western entities.

US wants SWIFT war on Iran (because of oil bourse) (5, Interesting)

jbaach (241113) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376427)

"...wait for March 20, when the Iranian oil bourse will start trading oil in other currencies apart from the US dollar..."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB17Ak04.html [atimes.com]

(No, I haven't read the full article, it was linked on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_oil_bourse#Opening [wikipedia.org] )

Who are SWIFT? (1)

Grindalf (1089511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376429)

Who are SWIFT? I've never heard of them before ...

Clarification (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376439)

I believe that it was Ahmadinejad's calling for the destruction of Israel that cause concern on the israeli side. I mean sure, he might just be saying that, and he might just be developing nuclear power for electrical usage but some can be forgiven to mistrust.

You say "Due mainly to Israeli and U.S. propaganda..." while there is propaganda, no one has forced Iran to support a president that has stated Israel would be wiped off the map, as terrorist organizations have done previously.

People that do not support their dictators tend to revolt, I believe.

Re:Clarification (2)

andyteleco (1090569) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376651)

While I don't like Ahmadineyad because after all he is a ruthless dictator, he never really said that Israel should be destroyed:

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/24-media-misquotes-threat-from-irans-president/ [projectcensored.org]

It's just one more example of media manipulation for the generation of hatred to later justify an invasion and/or screw-up of a country.

SWIFT is now a political tool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376443)

It can and will be used against anyone who opposes the US.

Sad world... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376475)

Israel on the other hand, with all the nukes they have, gets a free SWIFT pass.
Even if Iran owned a nuclear weapon, they wouldn't want to nuke Israel. The mosque in Jerusalem is the second holiest in the Muslim world, after Mecca. Nuking Israel would mean the destruction of a holy Muslim city.

Re:Sad world... (3, Interesting)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376711)

so, they could easilly nuke Tel Aviv and not disturb Jerusalem. Israel has more than one population center, and Tel Aviv IS the major financial center.

Paypal (5, Funny)

Hyperhaplo (575219) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376519)

The effect will be to drastically hinder Iran's ability to execute international business transactions."

So... just use Paypal?

Re:Paypal (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376623)

So... just use Paypal?

Next week on Slashdot: PayPal ships millions of PayPal Here dongles to Iran.

Re:Paypal (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376715)

Next up on Slashdot: Iran pissed after their funds are placed on 90 day PayPal review.

Well this has always worked great in the past... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376523)

Hasn't it usually been these types of embargoes and sanctions that make these places go further downhill and drive them into even more an adversarial position? Turning a country into a poverty stricken wasteland isn't really the way to prevent it's citizens from wanting to strike back at you, but I suppose being on remotely good terms with others isn't what keeps the DHS funding coming.

Note: I don't support Iran or any nuclear weapons development they may be doing, just calling the most likely result ahead of time.

Seems like a lot of power (3, Informative)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376535)

Seems like a lot of power for a little NGO.

SWIFT is a co-operative society under Belgian law, which its shareholders own and control

Just in case you didn't think global capitalism and corporations were significant, here's a good reminder.

Re:Seems like a lot of power (1)

Marcika (1003625) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376669)

SWIFT is an interchange and netting network owned by the financial institutions that do the interchange and netting. If SWIFT (and similar networks) were not in place, they'd do the same transactions via 1-to-1 agreements.

The real abuses of power come not from SWIFT's shareholders but by the EU and US government putting pressure on it to use it for their goals. This would be not better but a lot worse if SWIFT were a government agency...

Fiddling with the knobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376541)

Wonder what this will do the OPEC relations? This may have the effect of "reducing" the available supply of crude, and may spike the oil price. This whole thing smells of market manipulation.

Hollywood "Star Wackers" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376587)

Randy Quaid blows whistle on crime against celebrity Targeted Individuals

October 31, 2010

Deborah Dupre
Human Rights Examiner

- http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/randy-quaid-blows-whistle-on-celebrity-targeted-individuals [examiner.com]
- http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/deborah-dupre [examiner.com]

"In a Vancouver press conference, actor Randy Quaid described part of the typical plight of a Targeted Individual, naming eight close Hollywood associates he believes were targeted and killed. The targeting system is highly organized; involving people at all levels of society including in banks, the Department of Justice, and even family members who are are often co-opted to help destroy the innocent target, as Quaid has learned first-hand.

From a written statement, Cousin Eddie in the National Lampoon's Vacation movies and Brokeback Mountain star, Quaid explained the same organized criminal activities hundreds of Targeted Individuals have reported to Dupré. Each of these activities are designed to ruin the targets' careers, their finances, their well-being - and thus silence them.

Such targeting can and often does last decades. Mr. and Mrs. Quaid have been targeted twenty years according to his statement on October 29.

Quaid's brother and his attorney are part of the conspiracy to neutralize him, as he explained at his press conference that followed a Canadian immigration hearing. Most people are too naive and or arrogant to believe a close family member could be involved in such covert manipulations that ruin lives.

Both Randy Quaid and his wife Evi have sought refuge from the targeting in Canada, as though the criminal cabal is not transnational. In Canada, the couple was jailed and then released, possibly part of the typical harassment treatment targets get from officials.

In the 2nd part of the press conference video, sobbing, Quaid asked how many of the reporters have known someone that died suddenly and mysteriously in the past five years, then naming his eight associates that all met untimely deaths, "Hollywood wacked." (See Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_574552&v=ppTpSb_u7hA [youtube.com] )

"We believe there to be a malignant tumor of star whackers in Hollywood," said Quaid.

Quaid named Heath Ledger, Chris Penn and David Carradine as targeted and killed.

IMDb reports on Quaid's targeting offers little to no validation of his claims, typical of mainstream press on the topic of Targeted Individuals.

He also names others he believes are on a hit-list: Mel Gibson, Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears,

"Merciless slandering, killing career and killing the target for profit" are among what Quaid hihglights as part of the hit-list agenda - each familiar to targeted individuals reporting to Dupré."

Copyright Deborah Dupre, Examiner 2010, All rights reserved.

**
* Recommended:

The Hidden Evil
- http://www.thehiddenevil.com/ [thehiddenevil.com]

The Mind Has No Firewall
- Google for the article
**
* Links in article: (in case original article is wiped)

- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001642/news [imdb.com]
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005453/ [imdb.com]
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0517820/ [imdb.com]
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000154/ [imdb.com]

Randy Quaid Speaks to Vancouver Media pt.2 - "Star Whackers in Hollywood"
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppTpSb_u7hA [youtube.com]

- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795/ [imdb.com]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Lampoon's_Vacation [wikipedia.org]
- http://www.examiner.com/targeted-individuals-in-national [examiner.com]
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001642/ [imdb.com]

Do they change their name to SIFT now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376665)

Seeing that they're no longer 'Worldwide'.

In related news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376691)

BTC jumps 5000% as Iran desperately seeks to reconnect to the global economy.

War Propaganda (1)

MrJones (4691) | more than 2 years ago | (#39376693)

I wonder what is the position of Slashdot Editors towards war, or towards a war against Iran.

Has this post anything to do about "news for nerds"?

Should that to USA too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39376727)

Until you have your bombs or keep starting wars without UN approval.

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