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Xbox 720 a No-show At This Year's E3

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the tony-hawk's-graduated-to-bigger-numbers-too dept.

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itwbennett writes "Microsoft dropped a bomb yesterday: they won't be showing new hardware this year or 'anytime soon.' Microsoft told Kotaku that '2012 is all about Xbox 360.' Meanwhile, Bloomberg's mysterious sources are saying that Microsoft 'may show the successor to its Xbox 360 in June 2013 at the E3 conference and put it on sale that same year.' This would 'be a fast journey from announcement to launch,' says Peter Smith, 'but it'd mean we'd still get a new Xbox for holiday 2013, which is about the earliest anyone has expected it to arrive anyway.'"

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Whatever... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39384673)

Yay, another bullshit console that's going to be obsolete and replaced by some other POS the year after that...

Biggest rip-off in the IT / gaming world.

Re:Whatever... (4, Interesting)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384819)

The 360 was released in 2005 and still going strong. If you bought one then and avoided RROD, you're still good to go. Meanwhile ipods from then have been thrown away, your computer from 2005 is a dinosaur that you keep to run Linux on, your cell phone from 2005 has been somewhere in the back of your closet since 2006, your TV from 2005 needs a digital tuner, your DVD player from 2005 won't play Blu-Ray...

Re:Whatever... (4, Insightful)

xhrit (915936) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384917)

My computer from 2005 had better stats then the 360, how is it a dinosaur but the xbox 360 is still relevant? The release of the 360 effectively halted all advancements in PC gaming technology, as modern cross platform development strategy dictates that any technology driven cutting edge features in cross platform titles need to be homogenized across the divergent systems they are designed to run on.

Re:Whatever... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39385053)

Yes. It's relevant because people still buy the 360 and it's popular and it's a consumer electronics device that has remained popular since 2005. In fact what is your point? Do you browse Slashdot just looking for every excuse to whine about how PC gaming isn't popular any more? You must be a hit at parties.

Re:Whatever... (2)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386421)

Yes. It's relevant because people still buy the 360 and it's popular and it's a consumer electronics device that has remained popular since 2005. In fact what is your point? Do you browse Slashdot just looking for every excuse to whine about how PC gaming isn't popular any more? You must be a hit at parties.

Nice ad hominems. Try actually addressing what the parent post had to say. His point wasn't that PC gaming isn't popular anymore. It is. His point was that lazy developers target the lowest common platform, which in the case of games is consoles and that a 2005 PC is still relevant because it can play most modern games and do all the other functions that 'modern' PC users do.

Re:Whatever... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386045)

Your computer from 2005 has at best a Pentium D, the Core processors didn't come out until 2006. Even if you somehow have used a Pentium D for seven years and haven't gone broke paying your electric bill, it won't run most recent games, including Skyrim, Battlefield, and Modern Warfare 3 (it might run Mass Effect 3 at the lowest settings). So how is the 360 relevant and your computer not? Because it plays those games, and your computer doesn't.

Re:Whatever... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386579)

What the hell are you talking about? Most computers from then can play the newest games at at least the lowest settings.

The ones that can't can do some simple upgrades (such as video cards).

Re:Whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386375)

64-bit Triple-core PowerPC at 65nm still going strong for the X-box360.

Re:Whatever... (2, Interesting)

Kohath (38547) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384945)

If you bought one then and avoided RROD, then never use it.

Re:Whatever... (4, Funny)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386147)

I have a gen-1 360 and never RROD'd it. Still rocking strong on a daily basis.

Of course, now that I have typed this it will start on fire the next time I turn it on.

Re:Whatever... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39385001)

You mean, if you bought it and avoided the RRoD (which my friend just encountered after three years with his machine) *AND* avoided the E74 error (which I ran into several 360s ago) *AND* avoided the optical drives that fail and stop reading DVDs so you can't play games anymore (just happened to me for the second time), then you're still good to go. Assuming you also aren't tired of looking at increasingly tired graphics and goofy looking models of human beings that animate poorly (yes, PC PC PC -- but no matter how powerful my computer is, I don't want to play *all* my games hunched over a desk *all* the time).

I am currently on my fifth or sixth 360.

First one died after 100hrs of use (but those 100hrs took more than the year of warranty). The optical drive stopped reading discs. Not covered. This is a VERY common failure of 360s. Google it.

Second one died of an E74 error after almost no use over the period of a year or so. Not covered.

Third system stolen in a home invasion.

Fourth system just stopped turning on. Even with another power brick.

Fifth system just recently died of another failed optical drive. It would only recognize games about 25% of the time -- and when it would read the discs, it would make a horrible noise and also scratch the disc.

So, I'm personally on my sixth machine. My fifth due to Microsoft. And on top of that, I've bought a 360 for a family member, bought one for a friend, and bought another for a random person who was on hard times that I read about in a news paper that had all their shit stolen.

In this same time? My original PS3 is still kicking ass. So is my PS3 Slim. In fact, my PS2 and PS1 also work. So does my GameCube, N64, SNES, NES, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Game Gear, Lynx, Nomad, GameBoy, GBA, Atari Jaguar. In fact, all of my Atari's and my Odyssey II still work (Atari 2600 dating back to 1977).

But I'm on my sixth 360.

Re:Whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39385099)

It's not clear from your comment, but I think what you're trying to say is you're on your sixth Xbox 360. Correct?

Re:Whatever... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386029)

I'm personally on my sixth - fifth due to flaws (one was due to a home invasion, so that doesn't count -- although Microsoft certainly could have responded positively to my request to help track the console by serial number and IP since it was registered with them). I should note that my use of them is not in any way unusual (except that perhaps it is lighter use than most people). I go for months without touching my console and half of the failed ones died with less than 100hrs of utilization. They weren't mistreated or abused in any way (they sat on their own open-air shelf in the entertainment center next to the PS3 and every other device that has operated just fine).

It just seems to be the luck of the draw. Some people have no problems and some people have several. Especially people who bought the first iteration or two. Remember, the very first issue of the 360 is known to have fatal design flaws that WILL cause your console to die. If you have the first iteration of the console, it's just a matter of *WHEN*. That's why they extended the warranty on that one from one to three years. And the consoles that came after it didn't solve all the problems, either. They still encountered a variety of issues very widely.

Even today, there are tons of reports from people about the most recent kinect-oriented dashboard update flat out killing consoles that worked right before the upgrade and died immediately after it.

I also forgot to mention that my friend (who I bought an earlier version of the console for several years ago) just called me today to ask my advice on his console, which RRoD'd this week and won't operate anymore. Microsoft can repair it for about $110 and six weeks of time. He wanted my advice (other than to give up console gaming, get a PS3, or go straight-PC-only) as to whether he should get a new one or pay the repair costs.

He also doesn't abuse his. I'm in my mid thirties. He's just shy of 40. We're both professionals (he in media; myself in software development). I say this because the response from people who don't have problems with their console to those who do is often "well you broke it dumbass". Not a reasonable answer to design failures, of course.

Re:Whatever... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39385221)

Diving into anecdotes, I have a 2005 360 myself (borrowed indefinitely from somebody who didn't have any time to play it). Works fine.

My PS1 and PS2s both broke, PS1s were crap quality. Dreamcast laser misaligned and was too expensive to fix, got a new one. Atari 7800 RF converter got crappy and snowy, and now getting all the converters to hook it up to a modern TV is a huge bother, I just use an emulator (within an emulator, since I'm on a Mac) if I want to play it.

Re:Whatever... (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385451)

You said:

In fact, my PS2 and PS1 also work. So does my...NES...

Hehheehawhah. How many hours do you spend blowing into and reseating the cartridge before the game actually plays properly?

Oh, whoops, somebody's hand accidentally brushed against the console, causing garbled characters and blinking screens. Better start the game all over again...hufff....pufff.....huffffffff.......puffffffff.....FUCK!

Dammit, let's play monopoly instead...because emulators don't count.

Don't get me wrong, NES is my first (and still only) love, but the bitch has aged terribly.

Re:Whatever... (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385585)

Dammit, let's play monopoly instead...because emulators don't count.

The NES version of Monopoly was better than any version on newer systems
.

Re:Whatever... (1)

Kaenneth (82978) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385755)

I'm sure all the saliva you blew into your cartridges and system had no affect on their lifespan.

Re:Whatever... (3, Informative)

halltk1983 (855209) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386231)

Get a new 72 pin connector. For less than $20, and about 30 minutes to install it, mine has worked flawlessly for the last 5 years. Best $20 spent EVER.

Re:Whatever... (1)

PwnzerDragoon (2014464) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386341)

The NES is actually pretty easy to repair, all you have to do is remove the cartridge connector and bend back the contact pins. I did this to mine and it works even better than before - I don't even need to push the cartridge down anymore.

Re:Whatever... (3, Informative)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385799)

In this same time? My original PS3 is still kicking ass.

Mine isn't. After two returns and out $150, the third one has turned into a boat anchor too and I have given asking Sony to fix it.

Re:Whatever... (2)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385981)

why would you need to be hunched over? All you need for console style gaming now a days on a PC is an XBox controller and Steam.

I am moving my kids to Steam based game play. I buy a game for them once and I never have to worry about it again. Platformers are easy to play laying back, and in Windows 8, a TV setup will be super easy to implement with a Metro Games app to browse through.

Re:Whatever... (4, Informative)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386227)

Complaints about the graphics on the 360 are nonsense. There are more and more detailed graphics for 360 games every year. It is a trade off of space for the graphics data versus the quality of the graphics.It's just a matter of how much time the devs put into it.

Different environments treat different consoles...differently. I have gone through 4 PS2s and 3 NES systems, while my original first-gen 360 is still running perfectly. I had a problem with my GameCube the first week I owned it and had to swap it for a new working one. I had a PS3 for about three weeks(full disclosure: it was used and I have no idea what was done to it in advance) before it turned into a George Foreman grill and never started again.

For me, the 360 has been the most rock-solid console I have ever owned, followed closely by the Dreamcast. The only problem I have actually had with the 360 is that one time a friend tripped over the console and it scratched a big ring into my disc. Fortunately, Best Buy had no qualms with replacing the game immediately.

Re:Whatever... (4, Informative)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386345)

I think we can safely say that this generation is going to be better towards the end. As the developers get more familiar with the hardware, we will see greater and greater games. Provided, of course, they don't just abandon it in preparation for the next next gen. :) Just like the good old days of the C64, we'll see much better work towards the end because the developers become extremely familiar with the ins and outs of the system.

And your experience with the 360 is definitely the exception, not the rule. My PS3 (20GB, upgraded to 500GB) has been the most rock solid console I've ever owned. Not only does it handle 6 hours straight playing Fallout 3, but it can handle 3 Blu-Ray movies in a row and not even hiccup (probably more, but I have to sleep sometime.) I can't say that about my 360, but I do enjoy playing my 360 slim (which they should've release YEARS ago, instead of cycling the old RRoD repaired 360s through the system...) It was a defective design, and Microsoft all but admitted it with their extending of the warranty, etc. (And the RRoD turning into an E74 error in subsequent board designs.) The decision to release a half-baked machine just to be first this generation was a gamble for Microsoft. They may have escaped the bulk of the problems with warranty repairs, etc, but they burned through a TON of good will doing so. We will only know if it was worth it when their next console comes out. (Remember the DVD on the original XBox was pretty shitty, prompting the "dirty disc" error fiasco.) So by the time they make a 720, I hope to hell they understand they cannot afford to release another 360-like hardware aberration. :)

I'm extremely happy for you that your launch 360 has still survived. There are very few people (besides the fanboys lying their asses off) who can say that. :)

Re:Whatever... (1)

GmExtremacy (2579091) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386595)

Erm... what? It boggles my mind that people would keep buying that nonsense after it broke so many times (the second time would be the limit for me). In fact, just the restricted nature of the consoles would keep me away. Especially Sony's (not to mention their rootkit nonsense).

At the very least, I wouldn't ever buy a future product from them again.

Re:Whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386783)

Still on my first 360, the thing I hate the most about it so far is the quality of some EA games, you have to pay for online play and the new Windows Phone 7 style interface makes me want to strangle someone in Redmond.

Re:Whatever... (3, Insightful)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385187)

Going strong? Developers are still coding for "640p" and small worlds to fit in with this old plastic box.
The low cpu, low gpu art is then passed onto PC games so we are all stuck in 2004.

Re:Whatever... (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385379)

It's not like nobody makes PC-exclusive games. The large majority of games for the PC aren't console ports. You could easily be a PC gamers and never play a single console port. It's just, the most popular, best-produced games are console ports. If you don't like them, don't play them.

The lack of PC games that are more popular than console ports seems to indicate either:
1) Some sort of massive conspiracy where major corporation forego earning money, in order to piss off fanboys.
2) Consoles ports actually aren't clearly inferior to PC games.

Re:Whatever... (1)

Nocturnal Deviant (974688) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385593)

You obviously haven't played skyrim on pc. Its interface is completely borked from being a console port. You have to spend a few hours on mods and tweaking said mods to run it at your computers potential...and I have had friends who have only played it on 360 come over and say why does it look so much better on mine.....well after a few(see: about 10), hours of tweaking almost anything looks better on a pc. It is developer laziness, and corporate greed that are directly affecting the quality of PC releases.

Re:Whatever... (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385701)

The point stands: Then why are you even buying console ports in the first place? If PC technology is so much better and consoles/console ports are stuck in the past, one of the (great many) native PC games out there would be a better choice.

Re:Whatever... (2)

GmExtremacy (2579091) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386617)

Exactly. Stop supporting the companies who produce garbage that you don't like.

I wonder if they'd blame piracy if enough people stopped buying these supposed "console ports"?

Re:Whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39385907)

If it took you 10 hours to make Skyrim look better on your PC than on the consoles, then you are doing something wrong. It takes less than 30 seconds to hit the "Ultra" button in the settings section of the launcher and only slightly more time to download the HD texture pack.

Re:Whatever... (1)

Nocturnal Deviant (974688) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386333)

"few hours on mods and tweaking said mods to run it at your computers potential"
"mods to run it at your computers potential"
"computers potential"
"reading comprehension"

Re:Whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386601)

well after a few(see: about 10), hours of tweaking almost anything looks better on a pc

It took you 10 hours to hit the Ultra button and install a few mods?

Re:Whatever... (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385769)

don't forget

3) Most people are bad at math so they think PC gaming is more expensive than console gaming.

Re:Whatever... (2, Insightful)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385431)

A throwaway culture and an upgrade culture are two different things. iPods effectively have effectively not changed much between successive releases. At the core they still do what they did previously with the same quality and effect. The original iPod plays music just as well as the latest gen iPod. The only real departure was the iPod nanos and the iPod touch which effectively were a different product to suit a different need.

The XBOX360 on the other hand is now a clear sign of a stagnated product. Do you think we should still be using CGA screens too? The entire industry is currently stuck making games that support these ancient bits of kit and effectively newer innovations in graphics are completely absent in most newly released games. It is time for an upgrade, hell it's overdue. We need an upgrade or we need manufacturers to stop supporting this old brick.

As a side note Mass Effect 3 was released last week and runs perfectly fine on my 5 year old PC at max resolution and every graphic option cranked to 11. A brand new game which has no sign of things such as tessellation (which is a DirectX 11 feature demonstrated back in 2010).

It is time to move on. Modern technology is capable of much better.

Re:Whatever... (1)

physburn (1095481) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385549)

The shouldn't be a Xbox 720, until there removed all the bosons from the matter on the Xbox!, 720 is purely fermionic. No excuses for not nowing the math here!

Re:Whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386519)

or the spelling

Re:Whatever... (3, Interesting)

captjc (453680) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384851)

Yay, another bullshit console that's going to be obsolete and replaced by some other POS the year after that...

Really? You can say many things about consoles, but short lived is usually not one of them (for successful ones at least). If anything, IMO, this generation has worn out its welcome. Then again, I am primarily a PC gamer.

Re:Whatever... (3, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385011)

Insightful, really? Might as well have just posted 'Use Linux!" as that would have gotten a +5 I'm sure for the fanboi perception bubbles we have here. Hell i don't even own a console but how can anybody say the consoles are "going to be obsolete and replaced by some other POS the year after" when if anything its the VERY LONG LIFE of the current gen that has held back PC gaming? Not that I can blame Sony and MSFT as we ARE in a recession after all and MSFT is riding high this round so why should they rush? Plenty of people seem to be happy with their system, sales are good, if it ain't broke.

I don't know, maybe its just me, but when i look at games like Just Cause II and the Bioshock series and the FEAR series and HL 2 games I have to wonder if we are reaching the point that games like PCs are "good enough" and are becoming a case of diminishing returns on graphics. I mean there is only so much bling bling bullshit you can look at while dodging hellfire raining down on your ass, I know that in the above games never did i have an instance where the graphics took me out of the game and ultimately isn't that what matters? that there is enough suspension of disbelief we can just enjoy the experience? Frankly how many games have you played lately that THIS description would fit "Killer graphics but sucky game"? Personally I'd take Far Cry I or even No One Lives Forever II or Freelancer level graphics for a kick ass story, characters I care about, a good weapon system, great balance, and levels that are interesting. In a way i hope the X360 and PS3 last another couple of years as maybe, just maybe, if the devs can't just keep piling on bling they'll have to spend those resources elsewhere like on what i just mentioned. One can hope.

Re:Whatever... (4, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385165)

Insightful, really? Might as well have just posted 'Use Linux!" as that would have gotten a +5 I'm sure for the fanboi perception bubbles we have here

You still butthurt about that? Your entire rant about Linux strongly put you in the MS fanboi category.....

However, I do agree that consoles have done very little to hold back PC gaming. I think we hit diminishing returns some time ago. Not enough attention paid to plot and AI.

If anything, consoles could have been pushing PC gaming forward with their draconian DRM and complete disregard for the consumers. The rumored upcoming suport on the 720 to ban used game sales certainly put some fire on the Internets.

Of course, Sony needs no help looking like dicks to their consumers. No help at all. Quite frankly, their next console better come with a blowjob machine if they think they can win back the hearts and minds of the people they screwed over.

Re:Whatever... (2)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385831)

Neither MSFT or Sony is "riding high" this generation, they are both deep in multibillion dollar holes they are unlikely ever to get out of. MSFT more so than Sony, but MSFT had the money in the bank, Sony didn't.

You know, I don't want another overheating piece of underpowered garbage with a whining fan in my living room, from MSFT or Sony.

Re:Whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386203)

" I don't want another overheating piece of underpowered garbage with a whining fan in my living room,"

Then tell your friends to go away. And why do you let them whine? Lose weight too, god you are getting fat if you are overheating with it this early in the spring.

Stop calling it Xbox 720 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39384685)

Because Xbox 720 sounds like 720p and Microsoft is not that stupid.

Second comment FTW!

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384765)

360 was pretty dumb as well, it puts you in the same place you started.

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (2)

BZWingZero (1119881) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384979)

360 was pretty dumb as well, it puts you in the same place you started.

Yeah, its a terrible name. But what else would they have named it? Xbox 2? That would be really bad, because the general public would see the choice between "Xbox 2 or Playstation 3". They'd read it as, "3 > 2, why should I buy the system with the lower number, its obviously worse," and buy PS3 instead.

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (2)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385199)

I hear this a lot, eg. in terms of browser version numbers, word processor version numbers, etc.. And it always trips my "probably nonsense" filter.

Is there any evidence that consumers think that way at all?

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385651)

People sure seemed to believe in the megahertz myth for a long time... Yes, I said "seemed", since I'm not giving evidence either.

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386309)

Keep in mind that the average console consumer has barely grown in his pubes - it's not exactly a sophisticated market. The industry thrived for years with mostly made-up "bits" numbers as their primary marketing tactic.

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386669)

It's not so much a logical deduction as it is more a subconscious perception. Also need to take into account that the PS3 was going to be launched after the 360, and was likely to have a hardware, blu-ray, etc advantage, so having a number designation lower than "3" would only serve as a reminder of that fact.

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385535)

Yeah, its a terrible name.

IBM did OK with it.

Actually, I think it's a very nice name. I hate Microsoft like sin itself, but the name "360" for it's "all-encompassing" game system is not that horrible.

I'm glad to hear about Sony's delays in bringing out a new console. I would be very happy to see the Sony brand name go the way of Packard Bell. As much as I can't stand Microsoft, Sony has a special place in Hell reserved for it in my view. But that's just the kind of hairpin I am. I'd be glad to see a whole lot of the Fortune 500 be broken into little bitty pieces. Not that they've all done something wrong the way Sony has, but just on the general principle that there is a boundary condition to corporate growth that throws its place in society into instability and if they continue to grow they inevitably become bad for human beings, even their shareholders.

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385177)

360 also implies a circle, which means they have you covered from every angle.....

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386625)

Like a ring... a red ring...

Re:Stop calling it Xbox 720 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39384811)

Xboxes are named after IBM Mainframes.

Obviously after x/360 comes x/370.

Null press release (5, Funny)

tomhath (637240) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384723)

Microsoft issues a press release to announce that they're not going to announce anything. And it makes the headlines of Slashdot. And I'm reading it on a Friday night. That's it, I'm off to drink beer, even if it isn't free.

Re:Null press release (3, Interesting)

captjc (453680) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384793)

Microsoft issues a press release to announce that they're not going to announce anything. And it makes the headlines of Slashdot. And I'm reading it on a Friday night. That's it, I'm off to drink beer, even if it isn't free.

Not only that, but it wasn't really expected to be there. Nintendo announced that the Wii U will be at this years E3, so every gaming publication seemed to bug Microsoft and Sony what they were going to do about it. They both, more or less said "nothing". Neither has any plans of releasing a next-gen console in the near future (i.e. this year).

This is just them reiterating the same point that everyone knew, there is nothing to show at this time.

My advice to you is to keep drinking heavily.

Re:Null press release (2)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385153)

There have been a number of industry experts/pundits in the last couple of months making public announcements that they have secret insider information that a new xbox would 100% guarenteed be at E3, MS needed to make an annoucement to put those idiots that like to make up such announcements back in there little box so people that are hanging out don't get such a huge disappointment when E3 rolls around. Expectation management.

Re:Null press release (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386219)

Microsofts response.

A new console? are you kidding us? WE have idiots lined up buying this old turd, people that bought several units because of design flaws, and we are milking this for all it's worth. Hell we get people to pay us $60.00 a year to play online! Can you believe it? Come out with a new console... Yeah right!"

Protip: Teased at E3, Revealed in Fall 2012 (4, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384753)

The next XBOX will be teased at this E3, but nothing concrete will be shown.
It will be revealed in the Fall, probably through some shitty alternate reality game culminating in some MTV / other mass media "first look" at the console.

You'll then get a drip feed of information until E3 2013, which will be the big blowout and release date / pricing announcement.
In Fall of 2013 you will be able to buy it. Pick from 3 different SKUs priced at $399 (base shit), $499 (more storage, comes with Kinect 2) , and $599 (even more storage, Kinect 2, fancy headset, stupid shit you don't care about, possibly more Live! Gold credit).

I guarantee it.

Re:Protip: Teased at E3, Revealed in Fall 2012 (3, Insightful)

xhrit (915936) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384833)

I highly doubt they will unveil plans for a new device before the holiday shopping season is over - otherwise a potential consumer might hold off on making a purchase until the new system is out. Chances are they will wait until the after major retail outlet return policy has expired before they make their next-next gen plans known...

Re:Protip: Teased at E3, Revealed in Fall 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39384835)

Count on the cheapest SKU being a boat anchor that drags down the lowest common denominator for any games developed on all the other platforms. Also figure that MS will demand gratuitous Kinect functionality built into everything similar to how Sony demanded tilt control in every PS3 game.

No optical drive at all, download only, is certainly a likely possibility. Then again I've been buying all my PC games like that, so ...

Re:Protip: Teased at E3, Revealed in Fall 2012 (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385195)

Sounds right on except for the prices. Last time someone tried for a "standard" @ $500, it didnt work so well.

Re:Protip: Teased at E3, Revealed in Fall 2012 (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386229)

There are throngs of retards that are buying their little children delicate, easy to break ipads at $500.00. and they are selling better than anything else. I think the $500.00 price point will work just fine.

Red & Green rings, holiday 2013? (1)

Flipstylee (1932884) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384809)

I wonder if all the hold up is in figuring out the overheating issue
that, approaching a decade by this speculated release, has had
me go through 5 unit returns and opening 2 others.

Re:Red & Green rings, holiday 2013? (2)

Xeranar (2029624) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384907)

Overheating is solved rather easily:

1.) Spend more money on the more expensive solder technique. The proper names elude me but essentially stop using the cheap solder ball method that anybody worth a damn knows won't last and is meant for long-running/little-downtime designs (really great for servers, really bad for consoles).

OR

2.) Build a fan/Heatsink that can handle the heat.

There is a 3 and 4 but conceivably they involve redesigning the next gen CPU/GPU to require less power overall and would be into the tens if not hundreds of millions worth of work versus the first two being maybe 5-10 dollars more expensive per console. My guess is 2 since it would really add less than 5 dollars per unit.

If anything once a new console generation is announced the old one usually takes such a nose dive that a non-announcement announcement is practically a reinforcement of the current generation. 2013 sounds perfectly fine for a ramp-up to replace the Xbox 360 and do full-blown emulation within the hardware for backwards compatibility. I'm also thinking they're going to gauge the market against the Wii U. The 360 had a year lead that it basically never gave up to the PS3 thee Wii didn't compete with them on the same playing field. Now imagine the Wii U coming in at 300-350 doing everything the 360 does and the 720 needs some build up to surpass the Wii U. I think this is really Nintendo's game to lose at this point, barring the pun and cliche. The Wii U is going to be first to market and i it can start getting versions of Modern Warfare or the big FPS titles along side Mario it could win the next generational war....at least until cell phones take over (flame on and what not..)

Wait'll next year! (5, Funny)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384841)

Bloomberg's Mysterious Source: Microsoft will show the Xbox 720 this year!
Microsoft: No we won't.
Bloomberg's Mysterious Source: Microsoft will show the Xbox 720 next year!

Next we'll hear that Microsoft was planning on showing it this year, but something happened at the last minute and they couldn't. So the rumor-monger wasn't wrong--it was a last minute change.

Gads, they're as bad as the Apple rumor mongers.

Far too soon for another console (0)

VinylRecords (1292374) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384893)

I consider myself a hardcore gamer. Thousands of hours of gaming a year every year. But my backlog of games is enormous for this generation. I literally just stared Mass Effect 1 today and I've yet to begin Skyrim or Final Fantasy 13 as well. I've also got a pile of PS3 games, including Uncharted 1, that I've yet to open the box for.

But for the Nintendo Wii I've exhausted the top quality games for that system. And no one makes new games for that system anymore either. So it's perfect time for Nintendo to release another console.

But the 360 and the PS3? There are years left in those systems. We've only gotten one God of War game the PS3. And only one Metal Gear Solid as well. SONY and MS in their console Cold War arms race are going to cut off their noses to spite their faces by killing this generation of consoles early.

Re:Far too soon for another console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39384953)

I don't understand your criticism of MS or Sony here. Neither of them have announced plans to discontinue their current consoles, they haven't even announced plans to release a new one yet.

Even if they did release a new one, that doesn't prevent you from playing your backlog of old games.

Re:Far too soon for another console (1)

xhrit (915936) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385039)

I heard unverified rumors that Sony and Microsoft are in talks to combine the xbox 720 and ps4 into a single device. Not too far fetched considering that Sony Viao laptops come preinstalled with Microsoft Windows and can run games made by both Microsoft and Sony. I think this meshes well with the shift in focus Sony has made to transitioning the Playstation brand into a platform instead of a specific device. Just think... The Playstation Phone, Playstation Tablet, Playstation Laptop, and the Playstation PC, all running "The Playstation Network" including an official emulator to play downloaded ps1/2/3 & psn games as well as the ability to use the store like Steam to download and play your games on any device.

It would be epic, but only time will tell if comes to pass or not.

Re:Far too soon for another console (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385097)

Sony AND Microsoft in one device?

Man oh man. That's going to get some Slashdot love.....

Re:Far too soon for another console (1)

Kaenneth (82978) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385777)

My personal dream combo would be an Apple/Nintendo partnership; but I suspect the egos at both companies are too big to make it work.

Re:Far too soon for another console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386215)

Perhaps Apple will buy Nintendo's assets after they run them out of business.

Re:Far too soon for another console (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385409)

The traditional lifespan for a console generation is 5 years. That's the gold standard going back to the Atari 2600 days. The Xbox 360 now represents the oldest console generation in history, at over 6 years and some change (beating out the PS2's 6 years even). If a new Xbox isn't released until the Fall of 2013, it will be *by far* the oldest console generation ever (at 8 years) since consoles began.

Re:Far too soon for another console (1)

rjejr (921275) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385825)

But how many Xbox360 versions have come out in those 6 years? I'm no expert, but they've added HDMI, several bigger hard drives, had an "Arcade" version along with several other names, and now the whole packaging it with the Kinect to make it more like a new system. And then you have the firmware updates allowing for online streaming and other things. I'm guessing an early Xbox360 out of the box is very different than the one you'ld buy today. So yes, the "traditional lifespan" for a console generation is 5 years, but this hasn't been a traditional generation for the Xbox360 or to a lessor extent the PS3. The Wii is almost unchanged unless you count sneakily dropping Gamecube support, and as that idiot Pachter said should have been updated in 2009. I'm not ready for a new Sony system either, but I like all the changes this one has had.

Re:Far too soon for another console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386039)

If 5 years is traditional, foes that mean 5 years is average. If yes, then we expect some consoles to live 6-7 years

Re:Far too soon for another console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386259)

Don't forget this console generation also started with historically high $500-$600 prices -- mass adoption didn't really start until the prices dropped a couple years into the cycle.

Re:Far too soon for another console (1)

Baldrake (776287) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385761)

Who says they will stop selling the 360 when this new console comes out? Remember that the PS2 outsold the PS3 for years after the PS3 was released.

They certainly won't stop releasing new games for the 360, since it's install base will be larger than the new console's for a long, long time.

Re:Far too soon for another console (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386243)

let me save you some time. Skip some. Skyrim is meh., final Fantasy 13 will anger you. Go right to ME3 after ME1. ME2 is a turd where they took all the good parts of the game away.

Beating Sony to the target may be the goal (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39384911)

Beating Sony to the target may be the goal.

The 360, even if a marginally inferior machine took a large part of the console market thanks to beating Sony to the market. The benefits of the Sony didn't match the price difference.

Wii took an even larger part using the killer combination of just about enough good graphics and a much lower price.

Being 1st to the market is probably what they're after, again.

Re:Beating Sony to the target may be the goal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39385261)

Yeah, the Wii took a large part alright... A large part of the "chucked away in a closet with half an inch of dust on it" market, that is.

I know some 7 or 8 people with Wiis, none of them used their consoles for more than a month or so. After the novelty wore off, everyone realized what a mistake it was to buy a last gen console during the next gen timeframe, and that the controllers, albeit different from everyone elses, were actually awful.

Re:Beating Sony to the target may be the goal (1)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385943)

The 360 also had Xbox Live, which wipes the floor with PSN. The 360 is an okay console, but Live is a terrific service.

Re:Beating Sony to the target may be the goal (1)

NerdyLove (1133693) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386295)

The 360 also had Xbox Live, which wipes the floor with PSN. The 360 is an okay console, but Live is a terrific service.

It's terrific until your account gets mysteriously compromised, your friends list gets wiped, and it takes MS three months to reimburse the $135 charge from the account that they promised would only take 30 days. For all of the hassle, they only gave me 2 1-month LIVE subscription codes.

I'm still a little sad that I probably won't run into most of the people who were on my list after they changed profile names so many times.

Re:Beating Sony to the target may be the goal (1)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386767)

I pay for Live Points and Live subscription cards. Then I enter those into the system. Alternatively, you could enter your credit card number and dispute the charges as soon as they show up. If you gave them a debit card number that draws out of your bank account, well, you asked for it.

Valve Cube (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39385143)

I'm still holding out hope for a Valve Companion Cube / GabeCube / ValveBox / whatever with HL3...

How is this dropping the bomb? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385213)

The replacement for one of the two consoles that have stated since day one that these would be at LEAST 10 year consoles, is not going to come out after 7 years of production ... in other news ...

NO SHIT.

My word... (1)

AtomicSymphonic (2570041) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385445)

Is this true? Man, console games aren't going to leap into better graphics until 2015???

I'd love to see some sort of sort of source from 2005 about that...

Re:My word... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39386413)

"Microsoft VP in charge of strategy and business for interactive entertainment, Shane Kim, has confirmed the 10-year plan as official policy."

Re:How is this dropping the bomb? (1)

captjc (453680) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386377)

Just because the lifespan is supposed to be around 10 years, doesn't mean the next generation has to wait until the console was out for that long. With most consoles, there have always been some overlap. the NES wasn't discontinued immediately after the SNES was released, it hung on for a few years (in the case of Japan...until 2003!). 3DS is out and the DS is still kicking. Hell, even the PS2 is still hanging on.

They can talk all they want about how long this cycle is going to last, but all they need is a catalyst to make people jump ship to get them to move on. If Nintendo becomes the early leader that the 360 was this generation, I guarantee that the next Xbox will be out soon after.

Finally the year of living room Linux (-1, Flamebait)

jmcbain (1233044) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385265)

Microsoft is not releasing the XBox 720 because they are afraid of Linux and openness. As we all know, Microsoft is a dying company and Linux is the future. Linux will dominate the living room and video games because it is open, and open always wins. Is there a bug in a videogame? Not a problem because there are dozens, no hundreds of programmers who will pounce on that bug and fix it. Microsoft knows it has already lost the game to Linux. They are scared like little girly-men.

asdf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39385443)

i think that's the smart move...The second you announce a new product, people stop buying the current one along with its accessories. I'd make the announcement of the xbox 720 a week before it comes out. What? It won't still sellout or something?

Xbox 720 is iPadized (1)

ben4528 (2588219) | more than 2 years ago | (#39385509)

With all the money in our pockets go to Apple's iPads, there is none left for new Xbox.

Xbox 720 (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 2 years ago | (#39386175)

An Xbox 360 with Kinect built in?

Truthfully, Microsoft quietly released their new console, the Kinect, when nobody was looking.

It got my sister to buy an Xbox... my sister.

She wasn't even interested in the Wii!

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