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New iPad Jailbroken Already

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the what-took-so-long? dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Just hours after the new Apple iPad was released, it was jailbroken in three (how appropriate!) separate ways. This means that hackers have already found and exploited security holes to run custom code on the new iPad with iOS 5.1. The tools for jailbreaking your new iPad aren't yet available, but this first step means the software will be developed sooner rather than later."

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I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395317)

I have to admit it, I got caught up in the hype and I bought an tablet. The novelty wore off after a couple of days. Since then, it has sat on my desk, almost completely unused. In fact, it's one of the worst purchases I've ever made.

Tablets in general are rather pointless devices. They're far bulkier than my smart phone, so they're not very good on the go. They're much less comfortable to use than my netbook or my laptop, especially when I have to do a lot of typing. They're so vastly underpowered relative to even an old desktop that they're not usable for anything computationally intensive. My Kindle is a much better e-book reader.

I learned the hard way that the usefulness of tablets is purely a marketing creation. They look like they have potential, but in practice they're just the combination of the worst of every other type of computer or computing device.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (5, Insightful)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395337)

Tablets are media consumption platforms for people that don't really use their computers for serious task, oh I know someone will post how they hacked the Gibson using their iPad and a bluetooth keyboard, but for the most part it's a consumer toy for consuming consumer baubles.

Moooooooooooooooooo

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395541)

Absolutely my experience. Decent for media consumption, too difficult to do any serious content creation on it. Even just posting this short paragraph (yes, I'm using an iPad to post this) is awkward. I decided that I wanted to reorder the words in my second sentence, which would have been trivial with a real keyboard, but it was a real pain on an iPad. Just selecting the desired words and cutting was slow and imprecise. I don't think I could ever write anything substantial - and certainly not software. Even the idea of using an IDE to write Java/C#/C++ on something like this is painful. And I know full well that if I swap over to do something else (e.g. To look something up), there's a good chance that what I was writing and editing so carefully won't be there when I get back, because iOS might decide it needs to reclaim the memory and dump that app (happens all the time - I have an original iPad). I guess I've seen them used as slider-control input devices for A/V editing, or as input for whatever it is that Bjork does, but it really doesn't seem that great. Since two generations have come out since this old iPad, I've been trying to decide what to do about replacing it with something better. I do like the portability, and I end up using it as a browser / reader a lot, but I can't help but think that an ultrabook would be better. Maybe an Asus Transformer Infinity, with the optional detachable keyboard? Few months yet before that's even an option though.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395917)

Idiotic.

You don't try to cook pizza in your microwave, do you? You don't watch a movie on your phone (unless you have no other choice), do you?

The iPad is a wonderful "adjunct" to a computer. It is NOT a replacement therefore, and it was never intended as such. It is, however, the perfect device for, for example, the following:

Looking up stuff on the internet while sitting in your livingroom. (Coffee-table computing), where the "instant-on" puts nearly ZERO annoyance factor between desire for information and fulfilment.

Using as an auxiliary computer using Telnet and/or VNC-type connectivity while doing development (or do you carry a second display with your laptop?)

Many musical applications (synthesizer/DAW control, mobile multitrack recording, etc.). In fact, I'd like a SECOND iPad for that!

Medium-scale gaming. Most games on a phone are a joke, due to screen size.

"Take anywhere" home security display/control. (Insert advertisement for LiveCams Pro here). Again, phone screen is too small, and the laptop isn't with you in the garage.

Oh, and as an e-reader while working. I use mine to browse documentation while doing development on my work-laptop. No more pawing back and forth between windows... REALLY handy when trying to learn something new!

CAN you do these things with other devices? Sure; but that's not the point. The point is whether it's BETTER for the application; not whether the application is POSSIBLE using another device.

And before I get yelled at for the "caps", I can't stand breaking my train of thought to shove in ridiculous HTML "style" tags, just because I want to emphasize a word; so I use "caps". Get over it. I'm NOT shouting...

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39396169)

I kinda thought that's what the post said. Looking up stuff / instant on = media consumption. Your first objection is an agreement. I don't need a second monitor for doing development on my laptop, because the screen is big enough, and nothing disappears when I'm on another window. Besides, looking stuff up is again, media consumption. Again you prove the truth of what you claim to be refuting. Musical input, yeah, that was also in the previous post... Great, the 2% of the world that care will be overjoyed that you didn't just read that and agree. OK, gaming. Guess you've finally got an original one. Didn't want to bring up editing short videos? It was in the post you were replying to, so naturally I figured you'd include it. Maybe it had scrolled off your iPad's screen. Take anywhere? Please. You do NOT take an iPad "anywhere". It doesn't fit in a pocket. I know, you're the kind of suave operator who carries one into a 5-star restaurant to monitor your cams while you're on a date, but nobody I would choose to hang out with even brings one to a bar. They probably do have an iPhone, or other smartphone, and would find the display quite sufficient for that use case. Oh, and an e-reader... Damn, that's one that wasn't covered as A MEDIA CONSUMPTION DEVICE. Go look up media, consumption, and device... I'll wait... Now I'll wait for you to reload this page because your iPad decided that it couldn't maintain the page because all of your memory is busy with LiveCams Pro and the new theme you're sound engineering... Yup, turns out an e-reader is a media consumption device. Who would have known?

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395755)

LOL y'all fuckers crack me up. For a supposedly bunch of "tech people" y'all are sure luddites.

Protiip: I'm a network engineer, and I use the shit out of my Toshiba Thrive for both work and fun.

Now shut up and go back to your mom's basement.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39396119)

How many DVDs you got in your collection? Or do you have a massive torrent library of hollywood films instead? How expensive were the speakers/monitor/video card on your gaming rig? How many energy drink cans are in your garbage? How many versions of the linux kernel do you have installed?

I think when you said "mooooo" the sound you were making was "baaaaaa".

Because I'm sure you're a unique little snowflake, just like everyone else like you.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (1)

thesePretzels (2428600) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395357)

I mostly agree, but they have some really great uses. As a grad student, I am able to mark up pdf's with a cheapo stylus and save them to my dropbox account. Never lose another one of my papers I spent hours reading and highlighting. But other than that, they aren't that great. Watching netflifx in bed or on the couch is nice, but you have to prop it up somehow. Netbooks are better for that. The always on feature is nice, good to keep in the kitchen for recipes, and reading/marking PDFs (if you're into that). Otherwise, $500 towards a decent portable laptop is a much wiser decision.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395615)

Never heard of Xournal have you? It is the best thing for marking up PDFs.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (2, Insightful)

shmeeps (2406070) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395421)

I was lucky enough to grab an HP Touchpad during the fire sale for only $99. I'll be honest in that for the first few months I owned it I rarely used it. The only reason I use it regularly now is that my laptop won't even boot anymore and I don't have the money to replace it.

As a grad student, it works alright for basic note taking, e-books, browsing the web and the like, and I really like the fact that it is so portable given the battery life and miniscule weight. If you grab a bluetooth mouse and keyboard, you actually can get a pretty nice set-up going for basic functionality. However, I've noticed that my productivity for anything more in depth than what's described above has completely tanked. Sure, you can edit documents and store them in Dropbox for later, but you still have to go back and edit them on an actual computer to apply advanced styles or fix anything the tablet corrupted. You can't view applications side by side and must continually switch between them. Furthermore, some apps are just non-existent. I'd love to see some apps that could actually compile code. The only one I've seen do this successfully is AIDE for Android, which is catered towards actual Android development. I have yet to see just a basic C/Java/Python compiler for command line style programs, but the fact is the tablet is just not designed for that kind of work.

While I get a lot of use from my tablet now, basically because I have no other choice for this semester, I will be buying a laptop to do my main work. I'll keep the tablet as an e-reader.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395497)

I'd love to see some apps that could actually compile code.

So, uh, install some? I copied the PDK headers and libs to mine and cross-compiled LLVM for it. Works fine.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395559)

Wait, what? You lost me at PDK.

I'm not some super-fucking-nerdburger like you are. When you can explain to me, in English, how I can get a C compiler onto my tablet without having a Ph.D in computer engineering, then I might take notice.

This may be hard for you, in your infinite wisdom, to believe; but some people just want to run code. They don't want to waste all that time fucking around with headers and cross-piling (or whatever you call it) stuff using 3 different computers.

Frankly, my tablet is a piece of shit. Why the fuck did I buy it? Oh, right, because I had an idea for an app called "shitting table." A shitting table is basically a glass coffee table that one gets under, and another shits on top of. This allows one to be shit on without actually being shit on.

So basically, when the accelerometers detect that the tablet is being held upside down, the tablet will play a video of a woman(or man) defecating into the field of view. I suspect that copies of the app will sell like hotcakes in Germany.

In short, sometimes getting stuff to work is too complicated for the layman. We want our tablets to "just work."

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (2)

NegativeMS (723639) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395743)

I'm not some super-fucking-nerdburger like you are. When you can explain to me, in English, how I can get a C compiler onto my tablet without having a Ph.D in computer engineering, then I might take notice.

If you believe that you need a Ph.D to do this, you're in the wrong forum. A bachelor's degree, or just plain ol' persistence should suffice.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (4, Insightful)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395441)

the usefulness of tablets is purely a marketing creation

Riiiiiiiight. Because "useful to me" is synonymous with "useful to anyone". You're the ur-consumer. Everyone actually enjoying and consistently using their tablets is doing it wrong.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395519)

the usefulness of tablets is purely a marketing creation

Riiiiiiiight. Because "useful to me" is synonymous with "useful to anyone". You're the ur-consumer. Everyone actually enjoying and consistently using their tablets is doing it wrong.

Actually, if you look at Slashdot's history for getting the next big thing in tech completely wrong (rather lame, actually), all you have to do is find the next device that Slashdot Groupthink really hates and bet long on it.

Profit!

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395711)

An easier way to express this is also "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

I'm not going to make the laptop mistake again (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395477)

I have one, but I rarely use it. It's screen is much smaller than my desktop (which is 3 monitors, actually) and there is no way to get all of the data on the screen I use. Even the models of laptop which have "full size" keyboards and weigh close to 10 lbs don't have the extra function keys I use or a comfortable layout. And don't get me started on the touch pad vs mouse, esp for programs that need a third or scroll button combination move. Mine mostly just sits on a shelf, collecting dust.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (2)

JimCanuck (2474366) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395487)


I bought a Archos 9, Win7, which came out pre-iPad, while its much more useful then the iPad and Playbook in my opinion after I playing around with all 3.

But I have to completely agree, for me, its not a Palm Pilot (which my smartphone nearly replaces, I do miss graffiti though), nor is it a "real" computer such as a laptop or desktop to use for more useful items.

The iPod Touch makes more sense then the iPad and many other tablets, atleast you can carry it around in your pocket. Otherwise I find I take the Thinkpad anywhere I go over the Archos. If I do get another tablet like device, it will be a convertible laptop which the performance spec's so I may use it for more then playing around on the internet and with some small silly software.

I'm not going to make the desktop mistake again. (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395501)

I have one, but I rarely use it. I spend most of my time out of the office, and it's just not practical to carry a desktop around. It doesn't have built-in wifi or cell data, so even it I were to pack it up and take it with me, I often can't get online to access my network resources. Of course, having all that computational power is good, but for the work I do I never even notice that my netbook can't process as fast - It works as fast as I can type things in.

I'm not going to make the smartphone mistake again (5, Funny)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395511)

I have to admit it, I got caught up in the hype and I bought a smartphone. The novelty wore off after a couple of days. Since then, it has sat in it's charger, almost completely unused. In fact, it's one of the worst purchases I've ever made.

Smartphones in general are rather pointless devices. They're far bulkier than my flip phone, so they're not very good on the go. They're much less comfortable to use than my netbook or my laptop, especially when I have to do a lot of typing. They're so vastly underpowered relative to even a netbook that they're not usable for anything computationally intensive. My Kindle is a much better e-book reader.

I learned the hard way that the usefulness of smartphones is purely a marketing creation. They look like they have potential, but in practice they're just the combination of the worst of every other type of computer or computing device.

Re:I'm not going to make the smartphone mistake ag (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395987)

Speak for yourself. I get considerable usage and value from my smartphone.

Also, wtf does your rambling have to do with the ipad? Which, fyi, is NOT a smartphone. It's a tablet.

Re:I'm not going to make the smartphone mistake ag (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39396009)

Smart phone bulkier than a flip-phone? If it wasn't obvious you're just trying to parody the GP, I'd tell you to try visiting a store sometime in the 21st century. One of my friends still has a folding/flip "feature phone", and I'd say it's far bulkier than my touch screen smart phone. Her daughter's slide out keyboard feature phone is, too.

So you don't agree with the GP's narrow assessment of the utility of tablets... How about this: Media hype has made tablets in general, and the iPad specifically, sound as if they're appropriate for more roles than they really are. By calling this the post-PC era, and essentially declaring the death of the PC and laptop, they have set up some unrealistic expectations. There are many things that tablets are not good at, so make sure you know if what you plan on doing with a tablet is something tablets do well, or you might find out you wasted $500+.

On the other hand, there are some things that they ARE good at, and until you have one, it is difficult to know precisely what uses you might discover you have. Sometimes people don't even realize it, but their notions of what they think they might like to do have been limited by their previous experiences. Someone with only a smartphone might never watch movies when traveling, because watching them on a small smartphone screen has been somewhat unsatisfying - and so might not consider this a desired use case. Once they have a tablet they might discover that viewing them on a tablet is much better, and suddenly this becomes a common use case during their morning train commute, one they might make a requirement for future purchases.

Just don't buy a tablet believing that it will replace a laptop or a desktop for serious writing, or programming. If your livelihood requires doing that kind of thing, and your current platform dies, and you only have $600 to replace it, getting a tablet is probably a bad idea (for you).

It's a joke, but it's pretty much spot on. (1)

radarradar (2565457) | more than 2 years ago | (#39396257)

I know that's supposed to be funny, but it's pretty much what i think of smartphones. You forgot to mention the rip-off data plan.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395531)

You should have purchased an iPad, not a "tablet."

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395547)

They're far bulkier than my smart phone, so they're not very good on the go.

Well, I find that the larger screen is more convenient for reading journal articles and conference papers, and I like the fact that I am not being coerced into buying a ridiculously overpriced data plan. For quickly checking my email, quickly looking something up, etc. a tablet can be useful.

Now, there is no way that a tablet is going to replace a laptop or desktop. It is too hard to enter data into a tablet, too hard to create new software, and so forth. By the same token, I do not think a laptop could really replace a tablet -- too much weight, too long to resume from suspend, etc. Both have their place.

There are plenty of issues with the current state of affairs with tablets, starting with the no-unapproved-software model that so many vendors are pushing, but utility is not one of them.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (1)

dcherryholmes (1322535) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395727)

They rock for reading comic books in .cbr formats. That's mostly what I use my touchpad for. I had a nook before and in some ways I think a 7" device is superior. But for reading comics you really do want that 9.7" screen.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (1)

thoth (7907) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395745)

On the other hand, I am contemplating purchasing my fourth tablet, as yet another gift. That's 2 ipads to family, and 1 Kindle Fire to a friend, so far... with another possible purchase in the near future. The recipients have all loved them so far.

Yes yes, you of course are so awesome that a room full of servers is barely adequate. Naturally you run dozens of high-end number crunching simulations and modeling programs, develop software using 3 other monitors and continuously stream tv/movies to yet another.

So meanwhile, the computer needs of a large number of people, perhaps even the majority of future users, are satisfied with a tablet. As has been pointed out many times, that's email, web surfing, social media apps/sites, light gaming, etc.

protip: if your sad tablet sits there unused, SELL it.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (4, Informative)

carvalhao (774969) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395877)

Well, it really depends on the kind of usage you give them. As a CEO I am always on the move, and there are a lot of surfaces and situations in which a laptop really isn't practical. Try the inconvenience of having to show a presentation on a lunch table with a laptop and you will understand why. Nothing beats the ease of passing an unobstrusive device over the table for the other person to check out what you are trying to show. This may sound frivolous, but when you are trying to sell an idea, every bit of positive feeling on the other side really counts. One of the best purchases I ever made.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (5, Insightful)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395945)

I have to admit it, I got caught up in the hype and I bought an tablet. The novelty wore off after a couple of days. Since then, it has sat on my desk, almost completely unused. In fact, it's one of the worst purchases I've ever made.

I bought a small car the other day. Worst purchase I ever made: it won't tow my boat, there's no room in the back for a goat and it can't transport my family of six. After a 1000 mile drive I feel totally exhausted, and it got stuck 100 yards up the half mile dirt track to my house, where it stays while I drive around in my old SUV.

Oh, wait, that's a lie - I have a small car because I don't have a house at the end of a dirt track, a boat, six kids, a goat or a regular need to drive more than a couple of hundred miles... And If I did, I'd quite possibly keep a second small car for convenience when I didn't need to take the goat.

That's where we're heading: PC=truck, Tablet=small car. Pick one or both depending on your needs.

The tablet is ideal for browsing the web, checking email (and making brief replies), playing casual games etc. while sitting in a comfy chair. I can also run the on-demand players for all 5 main TV channels here (only one of which is available on my "smart" TV). At meetings and conferences it's all I need to carry around unless I'm demoing certain bits of software, and it's a much less obtrusive way of taking meeting notes. I can plug in a camera adapter and preview my shots on the road (thats where the new iPads retina display is going to shine).

What it won't do is supplant my proper computer for serious work. However, I know quite a few people for whom a tablet would be all the portable computer they needed. For me, it's all the computer I need while sitting in an armchair.

Ps. I agree that the ePaper Kindle is a better tool for reading a novel. however, that's all a Kindle can do - even for reference books I find the tablet better.

Sent from my Tablet, sitting in a comfy chair.

Surprisingly they are just too heavy (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 2 years ago | (#39396143)

I have the second generation iPad, a Kindle Fire, and a Kindle Touch.

It amazes me how fast that iPad's weight starts to be noticed. Perhaps its the overall size of the tablet, however after experiencing the iPad I bought the Fire and then last week the Touch.

Get me a device the size of the touch but in color and you will have something... until then its an expensive toy just asking to be broken. I cannot count the number of posts on some popular Apple sites about people either dropping their iPad or their kids doing it all to see it break.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 2 years ago | (#39396167)

I notice you don't say WHICH tablet you bought. One particular one is different to all the others and it's the one I take to work everyday 5 days a week, 6 hours a day. Then I come home and my house plays games on it. It's literally being used 12 hours a day, almost every day. Oh and I'm talking about my iPad.

Re:I'm not going to make the tablet mistake again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39396185)

You didn't mention what kind of tablet you got...you're right, the majority are useless...

If only they rooted instead of jailbreaking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395321)

This means that hackers have already found and exploited security holes to run custom code on the new iPad with iOS 5.1.

Rooting is a feature and not an exploit of any security holes. Why didn't they just do that instead?

Re:If only they rooted instead of jailbreaking (2)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395431)

Yeah, maybe they'll work on that in the next few hours. I guess it's not good enough for you that they found three seperate ways in the first few hours to jailbreak it.

Jailbreaks (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395325)

Remember: Jailbreaks are code execution vulnerabilities. On your oh so secure Apple device.

Re:Jailbreaks (5, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395363)

Remember: Jailbreaks are code execution vulnerabilities. On your oh so secure Apple device.

No software is 100% secure, all you can do is fix bugs and security holes as they become evident.

Speaking of that, when Apple *does* fix these security holes, it's painted as "Apple patches jailbreaking because they hate freedom!!!" instead of "Apple closes security vulnerability".

Damned if they do, damned if they don't, I suppose.

(Disclaimer: I think iOS should have a built in 'advanced' mode that effectively results in the same thing as jailbreaking).

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395381)

No software is 100% secure, all you can do is fix bugs and security holes as they become evident.

False. Good software design & testing goes a long way at preventing security problems.

Re:Jailbreaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395409)

Right, because bugs and security holes could never become evident during design and testing... :-P

Re:Jailbreaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395435)

Speaking of that, when Apple *does* fix these security holes, it's painted as "Apple patches jailbreaking because they hate freedom!!!"

I agree that it's unfair; clearly there are times when Apple does things for reasons other than restricting people's freedom, and sees that aspect of things as merely a nice bonus.

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395543)

This is exactly why the NSA suffers from chronic breakins. There's just no way to fully secure software.

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395587)

Except that the NSA also employs a variety of operational security measures to prevent break-ins. A windows machine that is not connected to the Internet is not going to be infected with viruses (yes I know someone could walk up to it and infect it; that is beside the point, there is no such thing as perfect security).

Re:Jailbreaks (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395565)

Damned if they do, damned if they don't, I suppose.

False dichotomy; they could have just shipped tablets that were not locked down, or as you yourself suggest, tablets which can be unlocked by the user.

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395643)

Damned if they do, damned if they don't, I suppose.

False dichotomy; they could have just shipped tablets that were not locked down, or as you yourself suggest, tablets which can be unlocked by the user.

In other words, their freedom to choose is conditional on aligning with your wishes. Now who's restricting freedom?

Re:Jailbreaks (2, Informative)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395661)

So you are suggesting that it increases "freedom" to prevent users from installing political cartoon apps on their tablets? How is providing a switch that allows users to unlock their tablets restricting anyone's freedom?

Oh wait, this is the old "if corporations want to screw their customers, they should have the freedom to do so" argument. User freedoms should come second to corporations', right? It is not as though users should have any expectation of being able to install the software they want to install on their tablets, if the corporation that produces those tablets says they are not supposed to be doing so, right?

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395771)

By that same token, if users "don't want to be screwed" then they are free to *not* purchase the device.

A company is free to decide the features of a product (assuming it is within the law), and a consumer is free to choose to buy or not buy it.

If the product doesn't fit your needs, then buy something else. You can't buy it, knowing the (fully legal) restrictions that Apple places on the thing and then complain that they are "limiting your freedom". Why did you buy it in the first place? You're free to do so of course, but you can't simply expect anything you don't agree with to be labelled "freedom limiting" because it doesn't do what you want it to do.

That's the whole reason Android exists - as an alternative and freer option to iOS.

My hammer doesn't have an attachment to put in screws. I could modify it with some effort to fit such an attachment, but I'm not claiming the hammer manufacturer is limiting my freedom because the head end is made of high speed tempered steel that is really difficult to machine at home for delicate modifications, nor that they're limiting my freedom for not coming with a screwdriver attachment built in.

You say "how is providing a switch that allows users to unlock their tablets restricting anyone's freedom?" yet you ignore Apple's freedom in this. They clearly don't want to include that switch, and it is their freedom to choose (NOTE: I disagree with that decision, but it is theirs to make).

Re:Jailbreaks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395813)

They are free to lock down their product, and the GP is free to correctly describe the product as broken and advocate against it because they do.

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395909)

Yes, he's free to do that, but he cannot mischaracterise it as "restricting freedom" - it is merely one of several products that the OP can choose from. It has a set of features, much like any other product. Just because they don't align with his beliefs doesn't make it "broken" - merely unsuitable for his needs.

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395931)

Well, we can ignore the fact that some people (e.g. students) are forced to use Apple's products if you want -- there are plenty of arguments about whether or not students should even be allowed to program school computers in arbitrary ways. Sure, people can choose to buy other tablets, but how is it unfair to criticize Apple for including a "feature" the prevents users from running unsigned code? If I were asked, "Do you recommend an iPad?" why should I not answer, "No, because your computer will be controlled by Apple, and Apple is known to use that control in ways that have a negative impact on its users?"

I do not agree that a computer maker is in the right when they create a computer that works against the interests of its users, or which remains under the control of its creator even after the ownership of the computer is transferred to someone else. Computers are basically the most important communications tools ever developed, and what Apple is doing with iPads and related devices is to prevent people from using those tools in the way that suits them. Apple has basically taken back the freedom and control that people had over their PCs, and whatever possible technical argument there might have been (e.g. they just want to prevent people from installing malware) has been obliterated by their overt censorship policy.

Apple is careful to hide how they make use of the power they retain over tablets. Nobody tells you that your tablet is designed to prevent you from installing a pornography app or a political cartoon app. The "Apple retains control" feature is not something Apple talks about when they lobby for their tablets to be used in schools, or when they advertise their tablets to consumers. Apple knows this is not a feature that people want, and they push it on their customers anyway. Nobody expects Apple to advertise features that people do not want; we expect Apple not to include the features in the first place.

Do you defend government censorship, because it is the "government's freedom?" Nobody speaks about China's freedom to censor its population and to work against the interests of various ethnic groups in China, except perhaps for shills employed by the Chinese government. Why should we speak of Apple's freedom to censor its users, to sneak features in that its users do not want, or to abuse the power it has over its users? America's economic system, like everything else promoted by the US government, is supposed to serve the people best -- so why should we not criticize Apple for failing to do so?

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

Black.Shuck (704538) | more than 2 years ago | (#39396261)

Just a show of hands: Has anyone here installed an app on their regular computer -- that is to say, a compiled binary that isn't a web-browser -- that allows them to view political cartoons or pornography? If you have, can you vouch for the experience over using a web-browser?

I think it's time for someone to take their tinfoil hat off.

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395983)

"That's the whole reason Android exists - as an alternative and freer option to iOS." I doubt this. Google probably did Android because they saw that Apple threatened to lock them out of all that wonderous user data they like to collect on all of us and then resell it. So they produced their own version of iOS to make sure they got a decent cut of that data.

Re:Jailbreaks (2)

Black.Shuck (704538) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395597)

I think a good reason an "advanced mode" isn't included is they'd have to support it.

A traditional, non "locked-down" OS is a support nightmare, and Apple sees enough of that with OS X which has a far smaller user-base than iOS.

Or... (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395645)

....because they make lots of money from the App Store, and they can appease various friendly politicians by banning political cartoons, banning pornography, etc. Why would Apple want to give up that sort of control? It is not as if the company were founded as part of a movement to free computer users from that sort of control or anything like that...

Re:Or... (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395677)

That might hold some water if they actually did make lots of money from the App Store - they don't. The App Store is in profit for Apple, but not by much. It is a tool that exists to sell iOS devices, where they make vastly more profit.

(And again, as has come up before on /. these figures come from Apple's financial statements and if you think they're lying or hiding the money or misrepresenting it to "boost" iOS profits due to "flagging iPhone 4S sales" then call the SEC and tell them so. Not that I'm accusing you of that, but it is an argument I have seen on here before).

The App Store is not the profit engine for Apple that people seem to think it is - possibly because they think the "massive" 30% cut is what's driving it. It is indirectly the source of the majority of their profits because it drives sales of iOS devices. The fact that is has also been very profitable for third party developers is a bonus, and helps to further drive its success (and thus, more sales of hardware).

Re:Or... (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395781)

They would still lose the App Store revenue if they were to allow people to install unapproved software, and they would still not be able to prevent people from install pornography or political cartoons on iPads etc. The purpose of the lock down is to control what users are able to do with their computers, so that those users do not do anything that runs counter to Apple's own interests. That could mean damaging Apple's public image by installing pornography breaking the family-friendly image of tablets that Apple has tried to push (and indeed, it would be much harder to push tablets in schools if people generally associated tablets with pornography), it could mean paying for software without also paying Apple, or it could mean installing software that undermines the interests of key media partners.

Re:Or... (2)

gtall (79522) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395999)

No, the reason the App Store exists because they looked at the great unwashed masses of Windows users and realized their new devices would drown in that same cesspool of malware if they didn't find a way to lock it down.

Re:Or... (1)

Black.Shuck (704538) | more than 2 years ago | (#39396175)

I can't remember the figures off the top of my head, but I believe the App Store counts for about 1% of Apple's revenue stream.

And no, I don't think the company was founded in order to exert the controls you mention, and everything you've listed can be had by clicking on the "Safari" icon.

Re:Jailbreaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395991)

(Disclaimer: I think iOS should have a built in 'advanced' mode that effectively results in the same thing as jailbreaking).

But then the headlines will scream "iPad users lose sensitive data to new Trojan."

As you said, damned if they do; reviled if they don't...

Re:Jailbreaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395377)

They should switch to Android and root their device instead. Rooting is a feature and not a code execution vulnerability, not at all.

Re:Jailbreaks (2)

blahbooboo (839709) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395385)

And most of the jailbreaks require physical access to the device which is less dangerous than remote ones such as the extremely rare ones done via a web page attack. The latest requires no pass code on the device as well

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395395)

If it's a hole in Safari or in PDF, like two previous one, then it's a problem.

However if it's a bug in the restore method of the device or the usb driver or something like that I wouldn't be too scared.

Re:Jailbreaks (4, Insightful)

simonebaracchi (1744894) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395495)

don't we usually say "physical access to machines equals root access!" instead of "code execution vulnerabilities" when this happens to unix boxes?

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395551)

Latest jailbreaks are using up to 3 or 4 different exploits and require a physical cable connection in order to jailbreak. Yes these are bugs but it's not like the make the device super vulnerable. As witnessed by the fact the iPhone 4S jailbreak took months of dedicated work by several hacker groups to figure out a jailbreak. The reason this iPad 3 jailbreak is out so quickly is because the latest iOS release seems to be all about supporting the new retina display and LTE on the iPad and not fixing bugs. Jailbreakers will probably be back to square one when iOS 5.2 comes along though.

Re:Jailbreaks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395667)

I'll join you in mod hell by saying this is not surprising. Apple security is a myth. In real security tests/contests Apple always fairs worse than even Windows.

Apple security in general (1)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395329)

Totally off topic:
I saw a job post the other day for iPad support, I had to laugh as I can imagine the calls "Plug it in and restore....that didn't work? Ok plug it in and restore"

This problem is for not only new iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395367)

Should I grasp that iPhone and iPod touch installed iOS5.1 has the same valnerability?

Re:This problem is for not only new iPad (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395685)

That is my guess, which would explain how the new iPad was so quickly jailbroken.

Re:This problem is for not only new iPad (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395795)

Probably, but it can also depend on the firmware in the device, which can vary between different iOS devices, even running the same version of iOS.

This is good news (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395387)

I always wondered when people would start saying that the Apple OS was less secure than Windows.

One at a Time (5, Interesting)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395391)

Hopefully the jailbreaking community will only use one exploit at a time so that when Apple patches the first, they can use the next and so on. What I would like to know is whether there are multiple groups working on this, and if so, do they communicate their exploits so that no more than one is revealed to Apple at a time?

Re:One at a Time (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395855)

Considering that the jailbreak in question is already 6 vulnerabilities, that will be tricky.

But does it.. (1)

iZC (1063372) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395405)

run Linux?

Re:But does it.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395433)

With any luck, no.

Re:But does it.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395453)

Of course not, it's netBSD, you silly cunt.

Re:But does it.. (2)

gtall (79522) | more than 2 years ago | (#39396029)

Of course not..but not because it cannot but rather no Linux user could conceive of buying an iDevice without risking a spiral of self-loathing that could only result in suicide or being accused of being gay.

SB Settings only reason to JB anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395461)

See title.

Re:SB Settings only reason to JB anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395469)

Care to explain what SB Settings are?

Re:SB Settings only reason to JB anymore (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395575)

Care to explain what SB Settings are?

It's a drop-down panel that allows quick access to certain settings through toggle buttons. Its appeal is that it's always quickly available through gestures no matter what app you are currently in, instead of having to switch to the settings app.

Re:SB Settings only reason to JB anymore (1)

dmacleod808 (729707) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395629)

That is pretty much the only reason I jailbreak. It allows me to access the basic settings (Wifi on/off, Brightness controls, airplane mode, etc) without having to go through several hierarchical menus. Its just a quick swipe at the top status bar.

Re:SB Settings only reason to JB anymore (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395825)

Yes, iOS should have this by default. The Android quick access method for (especially) turning the wifi on and off is sorely missing from iOS. Ok, it's not a million miles away in iOS, but it would be much more convenient to have it quickly accessible from the main screen since I use it so often.

How "THEY" RAPE your boxes through the air! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395475)

âoebut do you know how to check and is there any point checking when we already know NSA/KGB, etc etc have the globe encircled with satellites?â

try lining your windows with tinfoil and check it after a few months. Youâ(TM)ll discover straight LINES and DOTS (tiny peep holes). This is with the tinfoil on the inside of the windowsâ(TM) surface, in-house/apartment. What causes this?

I believe most, if not all consumer computers and devices are, if not monitored, swept and mirrored by big bro using satellite technology.

One anonymous poster to pastebin, claiming to be representitive of Mossad, fired a shot across the bow of Anonymous and other hackers by saying, paraphrased, âoeAll of your hard drives are mirrored in (locations A,B,C as I forget which countries were mentioned) certain places on Earth anyway.

I find this to be true, Iâ(TM)ve used Microsoftâ(TM)s SysInternals programs to monitor processes and discovered my drives being swept, a chat program running I never installed and could find no trace of, files where they had the most interest were mp3 and graphics files, but they scraped the whole drive, and an iso creator/mirroring utility was running.

You only make it easier for them if you willingly install video streaming programs (VLC) with command line counterparts, music programs with command line counterparts, Office programs, which I noticed PDF files were being made in the background, and all of this activity was happening when I was monitoring a computer isolated from any wired/wireless/LAN network(s).

Google: Subversion Hack archive for a glimpse into this mysterious activity

Itâ(TM)s all about the waves.
==
âoeWell, if this is true or not, I cannot tell, because I use GNU/Linux,â

The same is true for *nix, you just have to have the right monitoring tools and know what to look for inside binaries which are easily messed with by injecting malware into them and tools used by âoeTHEMâ to obscure the code injected into the ELF binaries so as to avoid being picked up as malware.

One simple command you can use to check for modifications to your files:

sudo find /usr/bin -mtime -60

That will search /usr/bin for files modified within 60 minutes, adjust the command as needed for other directories and time frames.

ALWAYS generate sha256sums or better (NOT MD5 or SHA1) of your initial install and the LiveCD and store them on a READ ONLY media like a once writable CDROM. The free utility known as âoemd5deepâ offers more than md5 checksum generation and unlike the simple tools like sha256sum, sha1sum, etc., md5deepâ(TM)s options offer RECURSIVE and directory stripping options, perfect for backup on CDROMs.

Hereâ(TM)s one example out of many mysterious *nix trojans floating about:

- Linux/Bckdr-RKC
â"- http://caffeinesecurity.blogspot.com/2012/02/linuxbckdr-rkc-still-undetected.html [blogspot.com]

âoeFor those who arenâ(TM)t familiar with this trojan, an anonymous internet user has taken the time to put together a Pastebin post highlighting my research on this trojanâ: http://pastebin.com/DwtX9dMd [pastebin.com]

More questions without answers:

- Malware for Windows, *nux (and MacOSX?) which HIDES in FIRMWARE on routers, PCI and AGP cards and devices (including CD burners), system BIOS, MBRs, ethernet (nic) cards most if not all surviving hard drive wipes/formats and preloaded again and updated âoethrough-the-airâ mysteriously or when youâ(TM)ve plugged into the net.

- Ethernet cards using packet radio modules/protocols

- Linux distributions including LiveCDs including more modules than they need to run, especially for LiveCD purposes, including build essentials, dpkg-dev, ISDN drivers/modules (sometimes in multiple places, as binary files and as modules) and other modules including ham radio modules

- PCI and AGP rootkits which never leave (no antivirus scanner scans firmware on these cards and devices where most of the really serious malware resides)

Google on these topics for whitepapers and documentation up the yin yang, including ever popular DEFCON talks, papers, etc.

Also Google: Subversion hack archive (itâ(TM)s a website detailing mysterious trojans reinfecting computers NOT plugged into the net).

There are probably a ton of non-detectable Linux exploits in the wild. Many of the freely offered ones on some of the more whitehat/popular sites arenâ(TM)t detected. More are made and uploaded every day.

In my opinion, no electronic device is safe, especially not those whose builders FORCE your motherboard to have a preinstalled, unremovable network (nic) card, sound card (both can be exploited by ham radio modules/drivers/malicious related programs), video card, etc.

One possible solution to this madness would be to purchase ANCIENT computers (Apple II or Cmdre for example) and use open source networking code. Much of these older systems did not have a lot of built in networking devices and storage devices.

The ultimate solution is to avoid electronic devices completely (even TV and radio) and learn to love books and libraries again, but for most people that would be as painful as slitting their own necks like a chicken, they lust after their Facebook, smartphone, iphone, ipad, Twitter, Angry Birds, and other diversions.

Google the article: The Mind Has No Firewall (written by a solider, unless Iâ(TM)m mistaken), to expose how weak our minds are to (electronic) attack.

Visit: TheHiddenEvil.com : to learn more about âthe big gameâ which weâ(TM)re all enrolled in by birth.

==
Written by Alphonse:

Microsoft Kinect Spy System

âoeSo you just got the Kinect/Xbox360 gaming system and youâ(TM)re having fun, hanging out in your underwear, plopped down in your favorite lounge chair, and playing games with your buddies. Yeah, itâ(TM)s great to have a microphone and camera in your game system so you can âoeKinectâ to your pals while you play, but did you read that Terms of Service Agreement that came with your Kinect thingy? No? Here, let me point out an important part of that service agreement.

If you accept the agreement, you âoeexpressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft, our partners, or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the Service; or (c) act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.â

Did you catch that? Here, let me print the important part in really big letters.
âoeIf you accept the agreement, you expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications⦠on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.â

OK, is that clear enough for ya? When you use the Kinect system, you agree to allow Microsoft (and any branch of law enforcement or government they care to share information with) to use your Kinect system to spy on you. Maybe run that facial recognition software to check you out, listen to your conversations, and keep track of who you are communicating with.

I know this is probably old news to some, but I thought I would mention it because it pertains to almost all of these home game systems that are interactive. You have to remember, the camera and microphone contained in your game system has the ability to be hacked by anyone the game company gives that ability to, and that includes government snoops and law enforcement agents.

Hey, itâ(TM)s MICROSOFT. What did you expect?

And the same concerns apply to all interactive game systems. Just something to think about if youâ(TM)re having a âoeNaked Wii partyâ or doing something illegal while youâ(TM)re gaming with your buddies. Or maybe you say something suspicious and it triggers the DHS software to start tracking your every word. Hey, this is not paranoia. Itâ(TM)s spelled out for you, right there in that Service Agreement. Read it! Hereâ(TM)s one more part of the agreement you should be aware of.

âoeYou should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service.â

Did you catch it that time? YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANY LEVEL OF PRIVACY concerning your voice chat and video features on your Kinect box.â

Shit you don't need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395503)

Who cares if it has been jailbroken? Who needs that shit anyway?

What does jailbreaking an iPad do? (0)

grantspassalan (2531078) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395533)

Jailbreaking buys a geek the ability to run viruses, worms, trojans and other fun programs on their iPad. Other than that, what is it good for? What does it do for the average consumer? Answer: nothing.

Re:What does jailbreaking an iPad do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395601)

Answer: free apps?

Re:What does jailbreaking an iPad do? (1)

dmacleod808 (729707) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395635)

Community written apps that do not have to go through the App store. Sure Cydia allows you to pirate apps if you know what you are doing, but there are great programs I love (iFile) which allow me to do things the machine was not intended to do

Re:What does jailbreaking an iPad do? (4, Interesting)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395729)

The App Store offers many apps for free, and charges for others. Cydia offers many apps for free, and charges for others.

It's not the free software that makes jailbreaking attractive, but rather the ability to customize otherwise locked-down aspects of iOS and to evade Apple's regulations.

Re:What does jailbreaking an iPad do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395651)

The ability to run stolen pirated apps, of course.

Re:What does jailbreaking an iPad do? (2, Informative)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395953)

Actually, it lets you pirated apps, instead of paying for them. Lots of consumers see that as a feature.

And the cycle needlessly continues. (3, Insightful)

InterruptDescriptorT (531083) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395593)

It's terribly unfortunate that Apple has decided that iPad owners have no right to install whatever software the owner sees fit on his or her own tablet, thus necessitating (and encouraging) the jailbreaking community.

Mad props to these guys and their reverse engineering skills. Perhaps one day Apple will decide it's simply not worth the effort to keep up with the cat-and-mouse game of jailbreak/patch and just finally allow people to sideload apps and use their tablets however they want. Sadly, I don't foresee this happening.

Re:And the cycle needlessly continues. (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395767)

It will likely never be "Not worth it". Limiting what software can be installed and how it can be installed guarantees them 30% (for now) of _everything_ sold on the device. Opening it up would mean that there could be stores other than theirs. This is the same reason they don't allow languages or compilers to be installed. Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Apple will licence the female version of their dock connector for use in other phones, etc? There's tons of docks, etc, that lock people into Apple ... could a competitor licence their connector for use in a phone?

Re:And the cycle needlessly continues. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395975)

Perhaps one day Apple will decide it's simply not worth the effort to keep up with the cat-and-mouse game of jailbreak/patch and just finally allow people to sideload apps and use their tablets however they want.

Filthy, shameful lies, spread by Android sympathizers and Stallmanists!
Our dedication to the emasculation of consumers and developers alike is absolute and unyielding. We will never rest as long as somewhere out there, someone may be enjoying, utilizing or holding an Apple device in some way that the holy Jobs, who died for our sins, did not intend.
Our guiding vision is the trinity of the perfect device, the perfect consumer, and Apple to watch over them both as its children.

Maybe Apple Intentionally "Allows" Jailbreaking (4, Interesting)

mastershake82 (948396) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395623)

This is all speculation... but perhaps Apple purposely leaves the holes in the OS to allow this type of circumvention. Hear me out if in for a good conspiracy theory...

I imagine there might be three areas of pressure to keep the OS closed:
1. I'd speculate the main pressure on Apple to keep the OS closed is to prevent the piracy of app store apps to keep application authors happily creating apps for the device and not having to worry about the general population being able to copy and install them. More applications = more iPad sales to the general public.
2. Since many iOS devices are enabled on mobile network not owned by Apple, I'm sure the networks "encourage" Apple to do their best to limit the ability of a user to use the network in unauthorized ways, such as tethering when not paying for the plan.
3. A tertiary focus on keeping the OS closed to keep support costs down. Limiting options = easier troubleshooting.

However, there is a contingent of users who will not buy the device unless they can do whatever they want with it / jailbreak it. Whether it's to load non-approved software or to pirate App Store applications or circumvent carrier restrictions in the mobile network enabled models. As far as I know, Apple doesn't take a loss on hardware sold, so Apple still wants their money and market share, so they leave these exploits available for them. This gives Apple the plausible deniability to the App Store application authors and the mobile network carriers ("Sorry, these dang HACKERS keep breaking through our security... we're doing our darndest but they keep getting around it... but don't worry, it's a pretty complex process and the average user doesn't bother.") and allows them to completely cut off support to people who have voided their warranty by performing the jailbreak.

It's genius if you think about it.

wouldnt it be nice (4, Funny)

FrozenFood (2515360) | more than 2 years ago | (#39395665)

to have a platform where the user can modify/upgrade/repair the device without the golden permission slip some pretentious cunt?

What Does It Mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39395699)

If I'm not mistaken, the new iPad runs the exact same software image as the older iPad 2. In fact, I think the iPhone also runs the same image. If that is correct, then the jailbreak for one is a jailbreak for all. Since iPad2 was jailbroken quite some time ago, why would we regard jailbreaking iPad3 as news?

That's like me saying that exploiting Windows XP on a new Gateway/Acer PC is different than the same exploit on a Dell Windows XP PC.

So, either I misunderstood and the IOS images are indeed different, or this is a non-story.

It's a conspiracy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39396157)

Clearly these jailbreaks are being perpetuated by those who have communist sympathies. Why else would they cause so much trouble for capitalists?

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