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Australian Govt Censors Notes From Secret Anti-Piracy Talks

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the need-to-know-basis dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "It looks as if the Australian Government really doesn't want the public to know what's going on in its closed-door talks with ISPs and the content industry. The Attorney-General's Department has applied the black marker to almost all of the information contained in documents about the meetings released under Freedom of Information laws. The reason? It wouldn't be in the 'public interest' to release the information. Strange how the public seems to have a high degree of interest in finding out what's being talked about."

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Internet Villain of the Year (5, Funny)

niftydude (1745144) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400575)

Maybe Stephen Conroy can win internet villain of the year a second time.

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (0)

Ghaoth (1196241) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400595)

It's strange how they know what we shouldn't know. Bunch of UN communist stooges. Bring back Guy Fawkes.

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (4, Informative)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400649)

It's strange how they know what we shouldn't know. Bunch of UN communist stooges. Bring back Guy Fawkes.

Guy Fawkes was just the fall guy.

The leader of the group was actually Robert Catesby who was a Jesuit who wanted to replace King James and the English government with the 9 year old daughter of King James. Catesby was a bit of a religious extremist himself, described as a crusader by his friends and relatives. Guy Fawkes was a soldier who had fought in the Spanish Netherlands, hence he was tasked with guarding the gunpoweder the rebellion kept in a storehouse under the House of Lords, he was not the core of the Jesuit rebellion. Fawkes may have been historically the most famous, but it was Catesby's head that was put on a pike in front of the House of Lords.

To be frank, I dont like the likes of Conroy, I like the idea of giving control of the internet to a bunch of religious rebels even less. OK, Conroy is a religious twat as well, but he'll never get his way, the Labor backbench would have a little rebellion of their own, his filter has failed twice before in the house.

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (4, Informative)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400861)

Catesby might have been a religious extremist, but then, so was James I. His persecution of Catholics is what drove the Gunpowder Plot. The distinction between the Gunpowder Plotters and James I wasn't that one was religious and the other isn't - it's that one was Authority and the other was Rebellion. You might as well say you don't like Conroy, but don't like the idea of putting a bunch of dead Englishmen in charge either - it's a strawman. That's not what the OP was saying.

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (3, Interesting)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400961)

You might as well say you don't like Conroy, but don't like the idea of putting a bunch of dead Englishmen in charge either - it's a strawman. That's not what the OP was saying.

The OP was making a false equivalency to the fall guy for a religious rebellion to freedom.

I challenged that pointing out that Fawkes is not a symbol for freedom at all, he wasn't even the guy in charge, he was the guy who was caught (Catesby and Percy weren't). As a result, my point is not a strawman but rather, the expression of the old saying "better the devil you know". We know Conroy will be controlled.

BTW, pointing out James I was religious is a bit of a strawman, pretty much it's trying to say "It's OK to do something bad because Janey is also bad". That whole period of English history went from Christian Tyranny to Protestant authoritarianism to reformation years ahead of mainland Europe.

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401051)

Shush !!!...you're confusing all the Americans here with all this talk of actual history and facts and goings on that doesn't involve them !

If it's not Obama and Jebus in Montana and Terrists and the UN World Government and USA Numba Wun ! they don't understand it and they tune out......hmmm...on second thoughts......carry on!

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401475)

Oh, a slashtard wants mod points so he's going to bash Americans. Fine, you want a flame war, then it's on bitch!
Yes, all this chit chat about the events of a now trivial island with bad weather, worse food, and unattractive people is pretty dull. The history of England was summed up well in the Blackadder series - rich douchebags treating ignorant peasants like shit for centuries.

It's an outrageous outrage (4, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401017)

Your wasting your breath, at least half the people here know for certain that whenever government meets with anyone behind a closed door they are plotting against we the people. Closed door meetings have got nothing to do with speaking frankly and protecting sensitive commercial information. It a plot, a UN conspiracy...or something....but most of all it's an outrageous outrage that must be fought. Our method of attack is to buy plastic masks from our enemy, smash the windows of small merchants and steal their wares, and top it off by vandalising establishment web pages. Sure it's going to take a while to scorch the Earth where the establishment now stands, but overthrowing the status-quo is not the only thing we do, new releases don't just rip themselves you know.

Protesting against greed while wearing hollywood masks and shitting in the town square is going to be about as effective as flower power was at "solving" the same issues 40yrs ago. One of the largest internal migrations in the US was in the early 70's when the hippies left the cities in droves to establish communes that shunned political hierarchies and political alliances between members. Virtually none of the communes lasted more that a couple of years. Most people assume it was because of jelousy brought on by the "love thy neighbour" attitute to sex, but it was nothing of the sort. They failed because the lack of political structure created a power vacumn allowing the one slightly more agressive member of the group to rise to the top by brow beating individuals into submission one at a time, when that stopped working things got physical. Coincidently this was all around the same time that the Stanford prision experiments demonstrated that we all have an evil dictator lurking in our phyche just waiting for the opportunity to fill a political power vacum and we also all have a cowering slave in our phyche that given the right conditions will emerge and chose security over liberty.

In other words, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

The mayor hides the crime rate
council woman hesitates
Public gets irate, but forgets the vote date
Weatherman complaining, predicted sun, it's raining
Everyone's protesting, boyfriend keeps suggesting
you're not like all of the rest.

Garbage ain't collected, women ain't protected
Politicians using, people they're abusing
The mafia's getting bigger, like pollution in the river
And you tell me that this is where it's at.

Woke up this moming with an ache in my head
Splashed on my clothes as I spilled out of bed
Opened the window to listen to the news
But all I heard was the Establishment's Blues.

Gun sales are soaring, housewives find life boring
Divorce the only answer, smoking causes cancer
This system's gonna fall soon, to an angry young tune
And that's a concrete cold fact.


The pope digs population, freedom from taxation
Teeny Bops are up tight, drinking at a stoplight
Miniskirt is flirting I can't stop so I'm hurting.
Spinster sells her hopeless chest.

Adultery plays the kitchen, bigot cops non-fiction
The little man gets shafted, sons and monies drafted
Living by a time piece, new war in the far east.
Can you pass the Rorschach test?

It's a hassle is an educated guess.
Well, frankly I couldn't care less.

- This Is Not A Song, Its An Outburst (AKA The Establishment Blues ); Rodriguez - 1970

Re:It's an outrageous outrage (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401453)

"Your wasting your breath"

I stopped reading here. If you don't know how to use apostrophes, I'm not sure I care what your opinion is. Have a good day, sir.

Re:It's an outrageous outrage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401527)

"you and I have differing views, but I am too lazy to debate so I will just use the excuse of lousy grammar to blow you off"

Re:It's an outrageous outrage (4, Funny)

chilvence (1210312) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401639)

I skipped straight to the song. From now on I propose all argument be null and void unless articulated in the form of a song.

Re:It's an outrageous outrage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401641)

apostrophes

apostrophe's

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401073)

What have communists to do with it? It's not a plot by communists to steal your freedom, you paranoid fuck. It's rich and powerful people desiring more control, and you are giving to them.

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400655)

Maybe Stephen Conroy can win internet villain of the year a second time.

He works against the people. He should literally be tried for treason.

The Public Interest (4, Insightful)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400775)

The phrase "the public interest" does not mean the same thing to Government officials and to the actual Public. It's a sort of catch-all reason for hiding information or bending rules or otherwise ignoring the (usually legitimate) wishes of a group or indeed of the populace.

Re:The Public Interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401075)

Where's WikiLeaks when you need them .. oh joining in the fray I hear?

Re:The Public Interest (1)

Serpents (1831432) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401603)

If revealing what they're discussing is likely to cause protests and riots, than clearly keeping it secret is in the best interest of public. See, they're learning from the ACTA debacle.

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (4, Funny)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400987)

He should literally be tried for treason

and if that doesn't work we can always figuratively try him for treason

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (0)

GmExtremacy (2579091) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401591)

It's time for you to return to Gamemakerdom, is it not?

Re:Internet Villain of the Year (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400991)

Conroy needs to die by having a rack of telecoms equipment fall on him.

--
BMO

Sickening (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400593)

Absolutely sickening, and yet we are helpless to do anything. That Stephen Conroy is the biggest clown but the Australian public are too stupid to realise. Truly saddening,

Re:Sickening (1, Flamebait)

Ghaoth (1196241) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400637)

Conroy is not the biggest - he is one of many. Only 30% of the population support Labor (an organisation that can't even spell its own name correctly). A large percentage of the population dispise and detest them. However, short of civil inssurection, how the hell do you get rid of them? The people can't call an election and they have taken away our guns.

Re:Sickening (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400675)

A large percentage of the population dispise and detest them. However, short of civil inssurection, how the hell do you get rid of them? The people can't call an election and they have taken away our guns.

Welcome to Western democracy - it's a wonderful place where people can vote for whoever they want without being shot!

Re:Sickening (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400693)

Oh, and it was the Howard government that took away your guns. I hope you've learnt a valuable lesson today: pretty much all politicians suck. Otherwise they wouldn't be politicians.

Re:Sickening (1)

duk242 (1412949) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400763)

Taking away the guns was for the best...

Re:Sickening (2)

JockTroll (996521) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400975)

Taking away your computers and internet is next. Is will be "all for the best", as well. Keep telling yourself that, it will be less painful. You may even like it, some people love to be servants.

Re:Sickening (0)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401027)

guns don't kill people, but stupid fucking irresponsible redneck retards kill people, and these people will always be a danger to the community around them as long as they have access to guns

there are lots of other bad things out there, but getting rid of a lot of guns was a bloody good start

Re:Sickening (2)

FormOfActionBanana (966779) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401101)

Really? How many people were killed by redneck gunfire? And how much of that was accidental vs. malicious? I'm really curious.

In the US, gun control is a big issue. Mostly it's white people who don't want black people to shoot them. The rednecks are sort of caught in the middle of the debate, and generally live in different locales.

Re:Sickening (2)

rohan972 (880586) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401441)

guns don't kill people, but stupid fucking irresponsible redneck retards kill people, and these people will always be a danger to the community around them as long as they have access to guns

Well, since it's Australia we're talking about, how do you explain this. Queensland would by far be considered the "redneck state" even more so back when gun control came in, yet it was NSW, Victoria and Tasmania (all of which had tighter gun control than Queensland) that had the massacres that prompted the introduction of nation wide (state implemented) gun control.

Since the acquittals of Susan Falls and Claire Margaret MacDonald we have the absurd legal situation where self defense is not a legal reason to obtain a firearm, but you may use a firearm for self defense if you are a woman. If you are a man who provides a woman with a firearm which she uses to kill someone (apparently legally) you will be charged with supplying the firearm to her.

Our gun laws in practice are absurd and sexist. The murder rate was already declining before their introduction, there is no evidence that gun laws have lowered the murder rate. Support for the laws is just one more example of the triumph of emotionalism over reason.

Re:Sickening (2)

FictionPimp (712802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401633)

It is illegal in chicago to carry a handgun (it's almost illegal to own one). In fact, chicago is probably in the top 3 most gun controlled cities in the USA. Yet there were 41 shootings last week. Gun control NEVER works.

Re:Sickening (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400977)

The people with the guns win. (it was the military, not the people who remove the big guy from power in Egypt)
If the military fully supported the man in Egypt, all they would have is a lot of dead people and a shacking finger from the UN. If the people can not fight back the US and UN will not help them.

Re:Sickening (1)

ocularsinister (774024) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401183)

The people with the biggest guns win, and trust me your poxy little pea shooter is nothing compared to a tooled up marine. You'll hit the dirt before you so much as see the guy piloting the drone that killed you, let alone get to actually shoot the damn thing at a government official.

They didn't take your guns away because they were scared of you, they took them away because too many people were going postal with them.

Re:Sickening (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400995)

Not that voting will ever do anything. Maybe if we got to chose what to vote on, till then it's just the illusion of control.

Sickening, (5, Insightful)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400677)

Conroy is not the biggest - he is one of many. Only 30% of the population support Labor (an organisation that can't even spell its own name correctly). A large percentage of the population dispise and detest them. However, short of civil inssurection, how the hell do you get rid of them? The people can't call an election and they have taken away our guns.

This person doesn't live in Oz.

We can call an election, it's just that no-one wants to. We dont need guns to do that, I suspect the GP is not Australian and doesn't realise Aussies can sort out their problems without violence. To get an election called, all we need to do is prove to the Governor-General that the current government is unfit, then she dissolves parliament. The thing is, no-one wants to, elections are a pain in the arse, a waste of a good Saturday and the Liberals are even worse then Labor.

The Labor party is actually preferred over the Coalition in the two party preferred poll, add the popularity of the Greens and they will retain control next election (ALP with the help of the Greens). If anything, I expect more votes to go to Green and independent candidates. The Coalition will never get in because Abbott's just a patsy for the Liberal power brokers and their economic policies are insane ($70 Billion dollar black hole the shadow treasurer cant account for).

Re:Sickening, (0)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400689)

You mean that same governer general who is appointed by the GOVERNMENT! besides which what the hell country are you living in if you think labor are the preferred party in two party preferred, I suggest you go look at the polls, Labor/greens would get absolutely annilated if an election was called anytime soon.

Re:Sickening, (3)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400733)

besides which what the hell country are you living

Australia, which is clearly very far from your location.

Labor/greens would get absolutely annilated if an election was called anytime soon.

They said that in the last two elections. As long as it's Anyone v Abbott, Labor is practically guaranteed to win. The liberal policy is to say "No" to everything that Labor does, this will lose them a lot of votes. Its far more likely Abbot would be massacred in any election as Julia Gillard is preferred PM, but as I said before it would just end up like 2010 with the balance of power being held by Greens and/or Independents because Australians are simply sick of the two major parties ruling by fiat for four years.

BTW. look up how polls are done and how inaccurate they are at election time. They go out and ask random people to answer a questionnaire, this is easily biased by going to specific areas. This is why Morgan polls look different to Nielson polls. The only semi-reliable polls are exit polls (basically the same thing, they ask people who they voted for on their way out, hence they are called "exit" polls).

Re:Sickening, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401151)

No Australian who voted in the last election did so knowing that they would be voting in a minority government.
I must have missed the meeting where all citizens sat down and divided up how we would vote in each electorate to together achieve the result that we did.

Re:Sickening, (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401155)

ok, please show me ANY poll that currently shows labor ahead. Sorry but you are living in a dream land if you think they have actually increased in popularity since the last election rather than decreased and that is the only way they can be ahead. AS for Abbott, I could not agree more, he is a terrible choice and I hope to hell he never gets in, but right now he would be a certainty unless something significant changes between now and the next election.

Re:Sickening, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400709)

ok I can handle not liking the liberals, cause lets face it abbot sucks donkey dongers. But how anyone can call there economic policies insane after the basket case the current labor government has put us into is beyond me. By comparison anything liberals do would be the height of sanity, even with there current 70 billion back hole. Not to mention I suggest you check your facts, labor is most definitely not ahead on a two party preferred poll, they are so far behind it would leave them crippled even as an opposition if an election was called today and I think you will also find a significant swing away from independents after the mess they have created, not a swing towards them. Even oakshot has all but admitted he could not retain his seat now even if he wanted to.

Re:Sickening, (2, Insightful)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400741)

But how anyone can call there economic policies insane after the basket case the current labor government has put us into is beyond me.

Um, pretty much the only growing economy in the western world. An actual plan to deal with deficit.

I suggest you check your facts instead of relying on things like News Limited.

Re:Sickening, (5, Informative)

MisterMidi (1119653) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401153)

Be careful with your suggestions, someone might actually do it ;-)

A visit to Wikipedia (with recent numbers from the CIA World Factbook) learns that Argentina, Panama, Turkey, Estonia, Paraguay, Peru, Lithuania, Uruguay, Ecuador, Kosovo, Suriname, Colombia, Israel, Sweden, Costa Rica, Guinea, Latvia, Nicaragua, Mexico, Poland, Luxembourg, Honduras, South Africa, Austria, Slovakia, Macedonia, Brazil, Guatemala, Venezuela, Finland, Germany, Albania, Malta, Iceland, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Switzerland, The Bahamas, Belgium, El Salvador and New Zealand all have bigger economic growth than Australia.

Depending on how you define the western world, they might not all be part of it, and I may have forgotten a couple. But the point is, Australia is not by a long shot "pretty much the only growing economy in the western world."

Re:Sickening, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401177)

You fool the reason we stood any kind of chance in the GFC is because the liberal party payed of our debt and brought us in to surplus first.

Re:Sickening, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401221)

yeaha growing prospereous economy, yet in just 5 years they have sent us into record levels of debt. Increasing debt in prosperous times is perhaps the biggest economic sin this government has commited, it is a disgrace. Heaven help us if we have a true economic downturn as we will be well and truly FUCKED under labor as the current debt levels now give us no where to turn.I think you have been listening to the union/labor stooges a little too much, I suggest you actually read some economic theory.

Re:Sickening, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401247)

ummm you mean the deficit they created lol. someone certainly does need to check their facts. Only growing economy in the western world LMFAO. for fuks sake get out from your bubble, not only are we not the only growing economy their are many with significantly faster growing economies. Seriously man, you sound like you are reading a labor party press release. Try to at least check the garbage they spin the public against facts, it will take you a couple of minutes on google.

What really boggles my mind is you got marked as insightfull yet posted nothing but lies. Either a sad indictment on /. or a sign of labor/union members on here.

Re:Sickening, (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401459)

As an Aussie, I wish what you said is true, but it is not. You are ignoring the recent small elections, where there was a huge shift to the Libs. You are kidding if you think Labor will stay in, despite Abbott being a complete loser and religious zealot.

There are plenty of people who want an election called, the opposition, and the opposition supporters. The opposition and their supporters ALWAYS want an election called, since they can only lose again, and might win. It is very ignorant to ever pretend otherwise.

I am guessing you do not seem to hang around conservatives at all. I wish it was wrong, but Labor are going to lose, and you are lying or deluded.

Re:Sickening (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400685)

how the hell do you get rid of them? The people can't call an election and they have taken away our guns.

Guns are easy to obtain, what is rare is the willingness to pull the trigger (even more so against a modern military, as it'd be suicidal).

Re:Sickening (5, Insightful)

Capsaicin (412918) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400793)

However, short of civil inssurection, how the hell do you get rid of them? The people can't call an election and they have taken away our guns.

You wait until the next federal election when we all get to vote. That's how we like do it round here.

I thought the conservatives really overreached when they banned almost all guns (even though 85% of my fellow Australians supported Howard on this issue). When I read posts like yours, however, I wonder whether my loss at having my piddly 22 taken away isn't, after all, outweighed by my gain from having any firearm kept out of the hands of folks like yourself.

Re:Sickening (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400951)

Conroy is not the biggest - he is one of many. Only 30% of the population support Labor (an organisation that can't even spell its own name correctly). A large percentage of the population dispise and detest them. However, short of civil inssurection, how the hell do you get rid of them? The people can't call an election and they have taken away our guns.

Having guns or no guns makes no difference at all. Look at the US. Citizens over there (or should I use the modern term consumer ? ) are being fucked every day by corporations and the government. Do you see consumers use their oh so sacred arms ? No. So what good is your right to bear arms if you end up as a coach potato ?

Re:Sickening (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401001)

but the Australian public are too stupid to realise

at least some of us are smart enough not to give a shit about all this impossible-to-implement and enforce internet censorship garbage, and our pollies are smart enough to have a bit of fun giving the SOPA retards a good butt fucking before sending them home to their mighty "home of the free"

It's All About The Anal Rape (5, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400613)

Most people know that corporations in general and the copyright industry in particular are out to anally rape them. What the government doesn't want you to know is just how much they support the copyright industry in their quest to anally rape the citizens the world. Politicians have to be elected, and people tend not to want to vote for politicians who help others anally rape them. However politicians also want money, and anal rape is a lucrative business. So politicians both try to help their corporate friends anally rape regular citizens and at the same time try to hide the fact that they're doing so. This really should come as no surprise to the citizens of the world.

You'd think people would get tired after being anally raped for so long (Really, you can only rape someone for so long before it's just sex...) and found a "No Anal Rape" party. I think most people would agree that not being anally raped by corporations and politicians is a cause worthy of getting behind.

Re:It's All About The Anal Rape (4, Funny)

neiras (723124) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400629)

I think most people would agree that not being anally raped by corporations and politicians is a cause worthy of getting behind.

I see what you did there.

Re:It's All About The Anal Rape (4, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401429)

I think most people would agree that not being anally raped by corporations and politicians is a cause worthy of getting behind.

I see what you did there.

Well, it's certainly not something you want to get in front of.

Re:It's All About The Anal Rape (0)

hateu (2598389) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400695)

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Re:It's All About The Anal Rape (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400823)

So... you're saying the Aliens in the spaceships... they're really politicians from another planet? Explains a lot.

terrorism and piracy is always confusing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400615)

I'm sure the honorable public servant can explain how getting a free copy of finding nemo is equivalent to national security concerns as information regarding terrorists and how its justified to withhold the government's activities regarding piracy.

Re:terrorism and piracy is always confusing (2)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401439)

I suspect the problem is the Western world's reliance on Intellectual Property as a money making mechanism. Already a lot of innovation is being done outside of the big western countries, so our businesses are increasingly relying on IP laws to protect their business interests. Thus the push for draconian legislation to ensure those who obtained patents can milk them for all they are worth and simultaneously stifle research in the same area to ensure they get the most cash from their patents at the same time.
Certainly the RIAA/MAFIAA is a very powerful lobby group with massive influence over the US Government - enough to ensure secret treaties with other nations etc, but I have always suspected they are mostly riding the wave of government enforcement of IP laws and the US push to make their version of copyright/patent law the universally accepted one. There are a lot of businesses with a lot riding on their ability to enforce patents. If they can't enforce those patents a lot of them might fail - or at least their CEOs would get a lot fewer millions in severance.
Of course the media conglomerates are facing the complete collapse of their industry if they don't adapt, and they adapt very slowly if at all. My wife and I were just discussing the other day the fact that we can't think of anyone who subscribes to cable TV. A few folks with Netflix but no TV, its just not worth paying for.

How do you spell korupshun? (4, Funny)

kawabago (551139) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400633)

Hollywood

Re:How do you spell korupshun? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400955)

Hollywood is in the same bed as the klepto-fascists bankrupting the US. It goes from the president on down and to the lobby groups in washington, to wall street, and the City of London.

Re:How do you spell korupshun? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401533)

"korupshun is spelled Hollywood"

You actually think "Hollywood" has more of an influence on government than say, Goldman Sachs? You think there's more corruption in "Hollywood" than there is in government, on Wall Street, and in large corporations?

Re:How do you spell korupshun? (0)

nu1x (992092) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401589)

But jew owned hollywood is a propaganda / mind control / opinion forming arm of jew owned banks.

So it is all the same really, but calling out jews are unpopular (result of successful mind control) is is bound to get you ostracized, by same people who are victims of jews.

Such is the life of poor goyim.

That'd because it's probably discussing (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400661)

The Australian government has "a special room" in almost every single ISP with a machine capable of taking a full duplication of traffic for almost any customer. This applies to phone networks as well.

I know someone who installs this equipment, he will not even TALK ABOUT it online, he literally won't type it in an email, IM or messaging system of any kind. Offline it's difficult to get info regarding it out of him.

Those boxes, to my knowledge do not require a warrant, the government can just remotely log in and start recording. Obviously they can't use the data in court without some kind of warrant but the equipement is there.

Posting this anonymously I will assume is enough - I don't have much more information than that unfortunately. If anyone else does, please feel free to reply.

Re:That'd because it's probably discussing (1)

bug1 (96678) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400813)

More than a few years ago worked for a company who made this sort of equipment (claimed to be of the two best), the story at the time was that not much sold in Australia (as opposed to the US and Europe). The issue was if there wasnt much deep packet inspection in Aus, or maybe they bought equipment from someone else.

But it doesnt really matter what nation the equipment is in, the internet doesnt respect borders. That means they can capture your data as it goes through the US/Europe, and with their "Intelligence sharing" agreements its all ok.

Re:That'd because it's probably discussing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401029)

You're assuming my traffic is going through US / Europe. With equipment at the ISP level they can capture the entirety of my traffic to and from multiple places.

Admitedly my information is anecdotal but a second network engineer who worked for a different company funnily enough reacted when the first one made mention of it, they both kind of had "ooooh" and "ahh" comments and nodded etc, a few things were said which sadly I forget but I'm quite confident one worked for the company manufacturing equipment, the other worked for a company installing it. Both confirmed there's a lot more out there in .AU than you think and both were EXTREMELY reluctant to discuss it, surprisingly so.

Re:That'd because it's probably discussing (2)

bug1 (96678) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401089)

If you really want privacy use encryption, vpn (to a "safe" country?), tor, whatever, pay for it with bitcoins.

There are benefits to pervasive surveillance;
  - Its hard to have a false identiy if you dont have a real one, try and throw away the false identity, not the real one.
  - If you looking for a needle dont put it in a haystack, the more "normal" traffic they capture, the further the target sinks into the noise.

Re:That'd because it's probably discussing (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400817)

Posting this anonymously I will assume is enough ...

No sorry mate, it won't help at all. You forgot about the government's "special room." Expect a knock on the door at any moment, there's another kind of "special room" where you are going.

Posting anonymously so the government won't ... oh damn!

Re:That'd because it's probably discussing (1)

complete loony (663508) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401333)

Yeah I overheard a similar conversation at linux conf au in January. No idea who the guy was, or who he worked for, but Jacob Appelbaum seemed fairly interested for some reason...

Re:That'd because it's probably discussing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401471)

This is flat out wrong. I work for a large ISP thats in the top 5 in AU - I design and build the core network. This does not exist. Its not in our datacentres.

Public interest (3, Interesting)

kingturkey (930819) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400679)

Not that I disagree with their view here, but the summary makes the mistake of conflating 'the public interest' with what is 'interesting to the public'.

But what could it hold against public interest? (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400731)

I can understand how you can redact portions of documents where release of information might lead to physical harm, like planned locations of troops or identities of informants.

But how on earth can there be ANYTHING not releasable in a talk on copyright? There is nothing that could be talked about that would cause physical harm to others.

This absolutely stinks and I hope the courts can be brought into release the information attempted to be hidden from the public.

So what has been hidden? My best guess is that the document shows a terrifying contempt for the common citizen in regards to rights they have, and they are really worried about how that would come across in the press.

Re:But what could it hold against public interest? (1)

AgNO3 (878843) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400787)

umm every heard of ANNONYMOUS? Maybe they are afraid that they won't like it and cause damage.

Re:But what could it hold against public interest? (2)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400809)

This absolutely stinks and I hope the courts can be brought into release the information attempted to be hidden from the public.

More likely to be left to whistleblowers/Wikileaks.

Physical harm to corporations (4, Insightful)

Namarrgon (105036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400899)

Remember, corporations are people too, and if the public gets an interest in these talks, that could seriously damage the corporate bottom line, which is about as physical as you can get.

Re:Physical harm to corporations (1)

freaker_TuC (7632) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401133)

No, corporations ain't people, they are businesses. Entities with people responsible for its running.

There is no such thing as privacy in public negotiations. If such would damage a corporation, they apparantly are aiming for the wrong income.

Re:But what could it hold against public interest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401185)

It's actually about national defense. Nobody really wants to talk about this.

Look at the map, with a population overlay. Aus has a tiny 22 million people. And they're smack up against Indonesia's overflowing 240 million, with a whole lot more of similarly dense Asia beyond.

It's a very serous problem that's only getting worse over time. Australia desperately needs American as a firm ally. American, OTOH, doesn't have any deep investment on the outcome. They may like the Aussies, but they need to be friendly with all sorts of Asian nations. So that's an unbalanced relationship, so Australia has to do favours for America in order to call favours. And right now what America would like them to do is install insane copyright laws.

Australia's national defense problem a frigging huge Elephant In The Room. Neither Aus or America want to mention it out-loud and get called racist and generally really piss-off Aus's neighbours. Nor does any Australian want the loss of face of admitting how reliant they are on America in this. So it's never mentioned. But it's the backstory that makes a whole lot of weirdness down under make rational sense.

Re:But what could it hold against public interest? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401651)

Very interesting, that provides a lot of context I had no idea of.

Populations these days though take over not militarily, but through occupation and then assimilation. There's really not much to be done about that unless you want to close off your country which is not a good idea either. The only thing you can do is try to maintain a strong national identity and not let people set up nations within nations...

Re:But what could it hold against public interest? (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401197)

There is nothing that could be talked about that would cause physical harm to others.

I think they're more concerned about "physical harm to the conspirators."

Re:Public interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400761)

Came here to say the same thing (modded you up instead.)

"Interest in" in this sense mean, "rights affected by". "Public interest" means affecting the common good. Which clearly applies in this issue.

Australian government to Australian Citizens: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39400703)

This is the way it will be. You have no say in it. You elected us so we make all your decisions now. Comrade.

We don't care if those decisions bankrupt the country or put it on the hook for a 50 billion dollar white elephant (The NBN) or commit a year of GDP to a dead cause (One trillion dollars - the Carbon Tax). You will like it. We don't care if you think the legislation for these and other critical policies (for example the mining tax) was rushed through parliament without due consideration, in fact with practically NO consideration at all. We don't care if government ROI is at an all time low and we don't care that, as a minority government hanging on to power by the skin of our teeth (literally a seat or two) we are able to make fundamental changes to the Australian economy by ramming home these policies without due consideration.

Australian People: Federalism in Australia is broken. The Australian constitution is broken if it can allow such things to occur. Call an election now. The Federal Labour government is a dead man walking, The Queensland state Labour government is a dead woman walking, NSW Labour is already gone and Bob Carr had better consider himself just a seat warmer.

- A disgruntled Aussie who thinks both major parties are living in Head-Up-Arse land.

"Public interest" (2)

sixtyeight (844265) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400727)

From the brief: "It wouldn't be in the 'public interest' to release the information. Strange how the public seems to have a high degree of interest in finding out what's being talked about."

We get a lot of that disagreement between the citizens and the government here in the States as well. And when tax time comes along, I apply the same reasoning to whether or not paying them would be "in the government interest". Or the public's.

If everyone did that, governments would shape up PDQ out of sheer necessity. Even if the politicians and the courts don't work, the People still have recourse. Which reminds, tax time is almost here in the U.S.. Pay them any non-negative amount you think they're worth.

Re:"Public interest" (1)

AgNO3 (878843) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400789)

right. I prefer not to piss off the IRS. You know those anal probes you hear about from Aliens? Nope IRS.

"industry-negotiated solution" (4, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400735)

In a briefing issued to Attorney-General Nicola Roxon regarding the meeting, the department noted that it continued to prefer an industry-negotiated solution to the issue of Internet content piracy.

Industry-negotiated "solutions" are the antithesis of a democratic process.
It's amazing that governments not only allow this to happen, but actively facilitate the process.

If the government had to step in and set up rules, they'd be forced to accept input from those annoying citizens they're supposed to represent.

Re:"industry-negotiated solution" (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400971)

can you imagine a government entity first coming up with a drm solution and then enforcing that drm solution on people? it would be so obviously the stupidest thing in a century so that government would be finished no matter what.. these two solutions are the only things they're thinking of, a drm solution mandated and dictated either by the government or by the industry. shows how clueless they are trying to put the cat back in the bag. some drm company is going to make a boatload of money for a few years() and then it's back to the current status quo.

plus, if you'd start accepting input from citizens you'd notice how dead an idea it is to try to make unbreakable drm. you'd have to control all sold devices and parts.

Re:"industry-negotiated solution" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401105)

if you'd start accepting input from citizens you'd notice how dead an idea it is to try to make unbreakable drm. you'd have to control all sold devices and parts.

That's kind-of the idea.

Reason: (3, Insightful)

no-body (127863) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400743)

They are chicken - afraid that people find out what they are up to.

Any public servant doing this kind of stuff should be penalized.

William Binney: ...after he realized that the NSA is now openly trampling the constitution, says as he holds his thumb and forefinger close together. "We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state."

Website not working (1)

SecondCobra (1628707) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400777)

The delimiter page is not loading. Is our government blocking the story now?? This sucks in every way. Time to write to the local MP.

Governments represent Corporations not people. (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39400807)

Governments represent Corporations not people.

The government will KILL every human being if it means satisfying a corporate interest.

Re:Governments represent Corporations not people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401385)

People *ARE* corporations under maritime law - look it up. Governments know this but choose to use people as collateral instead. All government concerns are about serving the corporate interest first and foremost.

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Corruption (1)

locopuyo (1433631) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401015)

Passing laws for big businesses and not letting anyone know the details? Why would he be doing that? Obviously it is corruption. Put this man in prison.

Freedom of information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401091)

Okay
So what happens when someone submits a freedom if information request?

Besides being charged$10k to have the foi request actioned ..... Stamp duty my ass

Hiding something means there's something to hide (1)

xenobyte (446878) | more than 2 years ago | (#39401107)

Why do various governments and government institutions feel it's necessary to hide and keep secret these kinds of talks?

Just think - they have no issues talking about defense spending, health-care and so on in public, but when it comes to anti-piracy at all of a sudden has to be secret.

It's obvious that they're hiding things because they have to. They're doing things that violates both basic democratic rules and their mandate, maybe even taking bribes in the process. They gotta be stopped! - and fast!

People are mental (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401179)

What do you expect? a list of actions your government is willing to commit to and who was invited to a fancy party?

Politicians represent your interests, but only if there's no better alternative.

War (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401277)

The only documents a government can say it's not in the public interest to release are ones related to war strategies and defense of the country. This only confirms what everyone already suspected; governments will go to war with their own people if corporations ask for it.

Everything's there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39401499)

There is no other content... they just "redacted" it to make it appear that there was something substantial that's missing, when in fact they had nothing to begin with and just talk crap and everything is there and just want to be the net nanny capital of the world.

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