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Amiga Returns With Lackluster Linux-Powered Mini PC

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the ok-they're-not-calling-it-that dept.

Amiga 343

crookedvulture writes "Commodore has revealed the Amiga mini, a small-form-factor system that runs a custom Linux distro dubbed Commodore OS Vision. A trailer for the OS hardly inspires confidence, and the rest of the system doesn't help. While the Amiga mini features a high-end Intel desktop CPU and modern conveniences like Blu-ray, USB 3.0, and 802.11n Wi-Fi, it's stuck with one of the slowest graphics chips Nvidia makes. Some of the other specifications are head-scratchers, too. The mini comes with a whopping 16GB of RAM but only a terabyte of storage. You'll have to pay extra to get an SSD, which makes the $2500 asking price particularly onerous. The case, Blu-ray drive, and power supply are being made available separately, but at $345, they're hardly a bargain. Add this to the list of nostalgia-baiting remakes that don't live up to their inspiration." Update: It looks like Commodore has dropped the price after receiving a lot of negative feedback.

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It goes without saying (4, Insightful)

suso (153703) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439283)

This is not Commodore, this is not the Amiga. This is a fucking bastard.

Re:It goes without saying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439347)

They should have called it the Amigo! Cause it's quite gay.

Re:It goes without saying (4, Funny)

dintech (998802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439415)

Also, a the end of the trailer it says "Commodore OS Vision coming 11.11.11".
I suppose they were planning to release it but then they took an arrow to the knee.

Re:It goes without saying (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439935)

Also, a the end of the trailer it says "Commodore OS Vision coming 11.11.11".
I suppose they were planning to release it but then they took an arrow to the knee.

You're able to grab an early beta... which is just a bastardized version of Linux Mint with a godawful ugly shell and cheesy robot voiceover... i thought maybe it would have some goodness centered around C64 emu, but nothing more then you can get from the FOSS community already...

Re:It goes without saying (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439495)

Fool! Atari know what right. Atari make Linux Desktop. 2012 - The Year of Linux Desktop!

Re:It goes without saying (5, Informative)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439807)

This pseudo-Commodore company [] (this is NOT the original Commodore company, which went out of business a long time ago) did the same thing with the Commodore 64 a while back, releasing a supposed clone [] of the classic machine that was basically just a custom case fitted around a PC running Ubuntu. The world was underwhelmed, to say the least.

Re:It goes without saying (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439871)

I'd have thought the closest thing to a new amiga just now would be the amiga x1000,

Re:It goes without saying (5, Insightful)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440043)

I wish they'd just let the poor Amiga rest in peace. Far, far, far ahead of it's time and an early death due to morons in the HQ. Mehdi Ali and Irving Gould....the anti-Jobs. Together they wrote the manual on how to mismanage a billion dollar corporation into bankruptcy in just a few short years. Towards the end the small investors grouped together to hire a Private Investigator to find out where the clandestine stock-holder meeting was being held so they could show up to give them hell. If anyone had ever compared a pitiful late 80's early 90's pc to an Amiga they'd never have believed how things turned out.

2500$ for that thing ??? (5, Insightful)

yvesdandoy (44789) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439305)

Who said Macs were expensive again ?

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (5, Insightful)

durrr (1316311) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439423)

Everyone, just because you find a worse offender doesn't mean the lesser one if redeemed.

This is stupid though, $2500 for generic mini-itx hardware with a retarded OS? Is this a joke or something?

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439545)

Actually nobody that has a clue calls mac's expensive.

Panasonic Toughbooks? those are not expensive either. IT's just that some people lack the IQ to understand value and costs.

I would agree a mac is expensive if they were making macbooks for $199 and selling them for $999.

Dell and ASUS? Those are expensive... Selling $99.00 of quality laptops for $599 is a crime.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439589)

Actually nobody that has a clue calls mac's expensive.

The irony.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440075)

And only people who can't use apostrophes call them cheap.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439615)

Aaaah...another person who thinks there's magically unique super-special higher quality hardware in a mac.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (1)

cbope (130292) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439787)

I see the reality distortion field is still capable of reaching from beyond the grave...

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439813)

Yea, now that mac's have abandoned PowerPC, the hardware is not really different than a mid level standard pc.

Depending on what you are looking at, Mac hardware can easily have a 10% to 40% markup for hardware on the base model. And it gets worse for upgrades.

Mac OS and pretty packaging "may" be worthwhile at that markup for some people, but it is mostly subjective.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (2)

gabereiser (1662967) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439963)

Mac hardware (Case, display, backlit keyboard) is superior to the plastic crap most consumer laptop companies put out... but the guts (motherboard or "logic-board"(way to be different apple..), cpu, memory, hard drive) is identical to anything you can buy off newegg... So that's what I do... I buy the case with the "logic-board" (idiots) and add my own cheaper, more performant hardware off newegg... Apple can suck it if they want me to spend $400 on 4gb of SODIMM ram... when it's $40 on newegg...

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (1)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440065)

Find me a PC as small as a Mac Mini with comparable specs for $599. Not "also small", not "almost as small, but still double the size", but "as small or smaller". You can't. I've asked people here before; I got a bunch of links to small PCs that were still three or four times larger than a Mac Mini.

People have this strange idea that macs are overpriced, but then when they try to get something comparable (not just in specs, but form factor), they quickly find that they're either paying more, or it doesn't exist at all.

That said, I'm still a PC user who hasn't owned a mac in almost twenty years.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439891)

All Macs are overpriced by about 30% based on their hardware specifications. That's why I've never owned one and AAPL is printing money.

ASUS and Dell shouldn't be classed together. I have a 4 year old ASUS laptop (the big brown kind, not an eee) that's still running fine. It came with a 1GB graphics card, DVD burner, and (somewhat) decent CPU for its day. I can't say the same for my Dell or HP. They both died prematurely and had anemic graphics cards. Both had motherboard failures. ASUS is known for one of the lowest failure rates in the industry.

For quality and performance in a laptop, I'd rather have a Falcon Northwest [] DRX, but I'm accustomed to having two kidneys. Those can run $5000+, especially if you go SLI.

Desktops on the other hand, I self-build. None of them offer as much upgradability as a DIY box.

My desktop ran around $2500, but has the following:

3 screens - 2x22" 1x24" all 1920x1080 resolution
GeForce GTX 590 3GB - quad SLI capable
2.5TB storage (1x1.5TB / 1x1TB)
DVD burner
16GB ram
2.8Ghz 6-core Phenom x6 (waiting on the 8170...)
1250w 80+gold power supply to allow for quad SLI

Nothing I've tried slows it down.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (-1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439455)

I did. This is also expensive. I use Lubuntu on an old laptop. In comparison, anything by Apple and this are both expensive.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (2, Insightful)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439867)

And a Mac is expensive compared to an 386 I picked up at a yard sale - did I miss something or are we churning out meaningless comments?

This abomination is ridiculously expensive compared to a Mac if for no reason more than any sucker who buys it and needs some form of support in 18 months time will probably be shit out of luck, given how often the Commodore and Amiga names have changed hands. That _won't_ happen for a Mac. Peace of mind doesn't come cheap.

Mac pricing isn't about hardware costs, it's about the quality that goes into everything they create - the R&D, the development, the ongoing service, the bundled software, the bundled infrastructure (iCloud etc).

So when you compare that to a Dell Shitspiron XXXX that comes bundled with a bottom-of-the-barrel version of Windows 7, several tonnes of bloatware and a tech support service that has the value add of simulated brain damage Macs _are_not_ that expensive. Unsurprisingly, you get what you pay for.

And, FYI, I built my system last month for the sum of £2,500. THAT is expensive.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439729)

They should put an Apple logo on it... you'd fucking buy it. Admit it.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (5, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439889)

The problems with Macs isn't that they are expensive but you only have a small selection of models to choose from.
If you take a Mac and Price spec for Spec (Every spec even if you don't think it is a big deal such as glowing keyboard with light sensor or weight and thinness) You will find that the Price of the Mac is the same as any other new Commercially built system out there of the same quality. However the Mac may not be a value to you because a lot of the stuff that comes with the Mac you may not need and for the feature that you do want you may have to get extra stuff that you will pay for that you may not use...

So if you want a Laptop that is Light, and Fast. For PC's you have a bunch of options many without too many extras. For Apple you have only a couple of models if that to choose from.

It isn't that Apple is gouging customers (the Apple Tax) you are getting what you pay for. The crux of the matter is you may be getting more then you need or want.

Re:2500$ for that thing ??? (1)

yvesdandoy (44789) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440033)

Damn, I should have mentionned ... but, wait, was that sarcasm or irony ?

Resurrected Amiga (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439323)

Amiga used to have an extremely dedicated fanbase. But now? This doesn't seem like anything special, especially considering the price.

So... Amiga. Is it good or is it whack?

Re:Resurrected Amiga (5, Funny)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439549)

So... Amiga. Is it good or is it whack?

I can't see a port for my video toaster, or a place to insert the lightwave floppies, so it's definitely not as good as the A500 imho. It's almost as though they took the A600, and then removed the last remaining keys. It was hard enough using Deluxe Paint on a computer without the keypad, but it will be completely impossible with no keys at all. I can't see it catching on. I think the smart money will be on Atari this time around.

Oh wow. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439335)

_Only_ a terabyte of storage?

Since when is that a little amount of storage?

Re:Oh wow. (3, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439375)

at that price point it isn't much. my $400 acer desktop came with a terabyte drive in it.

Re:Oh wow. (4, Informative)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439391)

_Only_ a terabyte of storage?

Since when is that a little amount of storage?

In a $2500 computer? You can get a 2TB drive for about $15 more than the cost of a 1TB drive. The upgrade to 3TB still adds about $50 to the price, and 4TB even more, but in a system that's got a base price of $2500, it seems like a really bad decision made by beancounters to scrimp on something like the hard drive, especially when the *retail* difference in price to double the storage is less than 1% of the list price of the device.

Re:Oh wow. (1, Flamebait)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439575)

You can get a 2TB drive for about $15 more than the cost of a 1TB drive.

That upgrade costs about 12 thousand pounds on the apple store.

Re:Oh wow. (1)

tudsworth (1919278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439851)

Now, be fair. It's available for the low, low price of one thousand pounds or thereabouts, last time I checked. Bargain.

Re:Oh wow. (1)

Cid Highwind (9258) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440109)

Or about $150 on the US Apple store (just checked). As usual, exchange rates in Apple land are a bit... different than elsewhere.

Re:Oh wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439937)

Shocking considering the same upgrades cost the same amount from every major computer vendor. HP, Sony, Apple, Dell, etc.

Stop the presses....

Re:Oh wow. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440085)

Actually, it costs £122 (in the Mac Pro - the laptops can't be configured with more than 750GB), irrespective of whether you upgrade the single 1TB disk to a 2TB disk, or you add a second 2TB disk. Adding a second 2TB disk is £245. The cost of buying a 2TB hard disk yourself is about £80-100 at the moment, and it takes under 5 minutes to fit into a Mac Pro, so Apple is charging about £2000/hour for someone to do the installation for you. By coincidence, this is about the same amount as that person earns in a year...

Re:Oh wow. (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439399)

_Only_ a terabyte of storage?

Since when is that a little amount of storage?

When you ask $2500 for the computer. For that price you should get a computer with 1TB of SSD.

Re:Oh wow. (1)

niftydude (1745144) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439431)

Currently internal SATA3 one terabyte drives are less than $100, so yeah - on a $2500 computer it doesn't look like much storage.

Now if it was 20 years ago, I might agree with you.

Re:Oh wow. (1)

BlastfireRS (2205212) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439573)

Terabyte drives (or close to them) are practically a standard in new desktops. It would have been much more practical to lower the absurdly-high 16 GB of RAM (c'mon, does it need more than 8 as the baseline?) and use the cost savings there to beef up on storage, either through more space available or SSDs.

Re:Oh wow. (2)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439847)

16 gigs of ddr3 cost me about $115 last year from newegg. Not that expensive.

Re:Oh wow. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440119)

Desktop RAM is also very cheap. My laptop has 8GB, and that only cost £45 almost a year ago (I bought the RAM separately). If you've got 4 DIMM slots (pretty normal in a desktop) then you can buy 16GB for about $40 more than 8GB. If you've only got two, then it will be $200 more. Not very much in comparison to the price of the system.

Re:Oh wow. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439823)

This setup probably takes a 2-1/2 inch (laptop) drive, so a terabyte is actually large. Mainstream laptops still usually only have a 500 or 640 in them. At that price though, they could have included a solid-state drive.

Re:Oh wow. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440073)

I only have 160gb drive on a brand new laptop...
Granted it is a solid state drive. But in depending on your use we now have a culture where we don't always need the super sized drives anymore.

160gb is great for normal use. If you are not going be doing movies. If you are going with storing movies. Or excess of music then you will need more storage. But if you are going to browse the web, write software, and run normal applications then 160gb is good enough.

"only 1 terabyte"? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439341)


Pricepoint fail (4, Insightful)

talexb (223672) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439343)

Guys, welcome to 2012. Now, about the price on your unit .. way, way too high.

Twenty years ago, a Cadillac PC was three to four thousand bucks. These days you can get an amazing PC for under a grand. I got a used Dell for $600, including tax, with dual core, 16G RAM and a 1T drive.

I don't even care what it does -- it's too much money. So, good luck with that.

Re:Pricepoint fail (4, Interesting)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439393)

How about $250? I built a friend a Newegg shell shocker deal machine last week. Admittedly it isn't top of the line (Biostar MB, flimsy case, Pentium G850, 4GB RAM, 500GB HD, DVD burner), but its pretty darned fast for what he uses it for. If it wasn't for the floods, it likely would have come with a 1TB HD instead. Desktop parts are pretty cheap right now.

Re:Pricepoint fail (4, Interesting)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439493)

Twenty years ago, a Cadillac PC was three to four thousand bucks. These days you can get an amazing PC for under a grand. I got a used Dell for $600, including tax, with dual core, 16G RAM and a 1T drive.

Case in point, I put together a Core i5 2500k (overclocked to 4.7GHz), 16GB of RAM, a Radeon HD 6870, 16GB of RAM, 1TB drive w/ 60GB SSD for cache (using the Z68 motherboard) for under $1000, less than a month ago. I did salvage the optical drive, monitor, keyboard, and mouse from an old system, but everything else was new. Even if you pick up a *really* nice 24" monitor, it's still under $1500.

For $2500, you can buy a *really* nice iMac, and get better technical support. (as much as I loathe Apple's business practices, their customer service is *really* good, and I'd recommend them to anybody that actually needs customer service/tech support).

Re:Pricepoint fail (2)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439607)

"a used Dell"... Ok... you are really going into an Apples/Oranges comparison.
It is like saying that a new Honda Fit is expensive because it cost more then getting a used 1990 Honda Civic.

We don't really have Cadillac PC's anymore, mostly because PC's arn't cool anymore. A laptop (where a high end system could still set you back 3k) is more common.

Back in time Gateway 2000 use to make the Cadillac of PC's Until the late 1990's where they reached the peak of people who wanted the high quality PC's sure getting a Gateway cost more but you got a PC with solid components and wouldn't fail then they started to cut corners so they can compete with Hewlet Packard and Compaq... Quality began to suck...
Dell came in Sure they costed a bit more but they were better made systems. Then they did the same thing around the early/mid 2000's. By this time of the Dells decline Desktop/Tower PCs where getting out of fashion, and moved towards laptops. Where Dell still had some advantages in that market. However Apple and Think Pads (By IBM then by Lenovo) really started to take the High End/Quality Laptop markets Apple for consumers and the Think Pads for Business.

This Amiga price is due to the fact that they are selling the OS and the computer and they are not popular enough to mass produce them.

The standard PC you buy Windows OEM for like $100 per PC. Apple sells enough of their Macs to support the cost of hardware in bulk and their OS. For the Amiga they cannot buy the hardware in bulk and they need to still recoup the cost of the OS development. There may be free software however making software isn't free.

Re:Pricepoint fail (1)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439749)

Ok, forget comparison to used PCs then. What you say about the company lacking economies of scale may be true as well, but the real question remains: what market do they possibly hope to enter with this thing? Media PCs / Media players / DVRs? Gaming rigs? Small, quiet general purpose machines? Cool looking computers that are fit for a place in the living room? Machines that come with loads of geek cred? On any of these markets, this device will lose out to cheaper, better and better known alternatives. Hell, on that budget you can probably buy several machines to cover all of these categories, even if you throw Apple devices into the mix.

The only market demographic I can see for this device is the "affluent, insane Amiga fan" group. Not much of a market I would think.

Re:Pricepoint fail (2)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439785)

They didn't develop an OS though. It's a Linux Distro. I'll grant you it's not free to put together a Linux distro either, but it's a Hell of a lot cheaper than writing an OS from scratch. Even buying the components at retail cost, they're essentially charging around $1500 for a roll-your-own Linux and some ugly case graphics.

Re:Pricepoint fail (1)

FrkyD (545855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439833)

Mass produce? Don't you mean mass assemble? It looks like a collection of off the shelf hardware and software that has been branded and badged with Amiga. Upgrading the internal HD from 1 to 3TB adds nearly 500 to the price. That's almost a current Mac Mini. Sorry, but these prices are just absolutely stupid.

And I'm saying that as a mac user.

NOT AMIGA OS (4, Informative)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439367)

Note these aren't the same guys working on the Amiga OS

The Amiga mini they use their own re branded Linux Commodore OS. Amiga OS is a totally different animal.


suso (153703) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439411)

Yep. Its basically no better than those eBay sellers that try to sell open source apps like Blender, Gimp and Audacity like its commercial software.


Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439917)

I'm almost wondering how they're even able to use the "Amiga" name & logo, but given the retarded and incestuous nature of the Amige post-Escom, I'll just assume they have a license written on a napkin by a drunk guy who claimed to work for Amiga Inc. this one time.

Where cant I get.... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439369)

The KDE skin they are using?

That is the coolest KDE setup I have ever seen. Most of them look like crap, and that one looks great!

Re:Where cant I get.... (1)

SmilingBoy (686281) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439395)

Re:Where cant I get.... (2)

bwintx (813768) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439463)

".aspx" -- so the Commodore site is running on IIS?

Hmm. <raises_eyebrow>

Re:Where cant I get.... (1)

alci63 (1856480) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439471)

So they are hosting their site on a Windows settup (aspx)... they really deserve a nasty guru meditation.

Re:Where cant I get.... (1)

qwertyatwork (668720) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439443)

With the exception of the menubar in the application rather than the top of the screen, that is OS X you are looking at.

Re:Where cant I get.... (1)

FrkyD (545855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439763)

And the hardware actually looks like the last generation Mac Mini. With badges.

Re:Where cant I get.... (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439623)

You can't get that KDE skin almost anywhere.

Re:Where cant I get.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439687)

You're joking, right? That thing looks absolutely amateurish.

Amiga? (5, Informative)

SirDice (1548907) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439371)

If it doesn't run AmigaOS it's not an Amiga. Heck, AmigaOS 4.1 was released not too long ago. []

Re:Amiga? (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439725)

Unlike almost every other niche OS circa 2012, that Amiga OS is closed-source.

So to hear there is some computer running GPL'd Linux, of all things, that is being called an Amiga amuses me.

Forget the names please (3, Insightful)

sTERNKERN (1290626) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439381)

Back in the old days Amiga, C=64, ZX81, etc. names meant something.. just let them die peacefully, do not tread on their graves by naming a plain today's PC as one of those.

Re:Forget the names please (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439605)

The PC they put inside an imitated C64 shell at least had some decorative value.

Re:Forget the names please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39440037)

ZX80 is where its at, not the black one, I have a working boxed WHITE ZX80, the ORIGINAL.

ZX81 came after.

Oldtimer cars are expensive too (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439413)

Even if they are completely refitted and tuned, an oldtimer will always be an expensive and slow car. Still, people buy it.

And they sometimes have a blu-ray installed in it.

Re:Oldtimer cars are expensive too (1)

dejanc (1528235) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439499)

True, but this is not an old-timer. This is an equivalent of "2012 Abarth Mini" which looks like Peugeot 307 and costs like Porsche Panamera... It's neither Fiat 500 Abarth or Mini nor it has the value of Panamera and looks and feels like it was made this year (which it was).

Pixel aspect ratio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439453)

A problem that I have with Amiga emulators on my PC is that they distort the Amiga's pixel aspect ratio. That's not too much of a problem with PAL graphics, but with NTSC it is. Does the new Amiga preserve the original pixel aspect ratio?

Basic stuff (3, Interesting)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439459)

It seems to be pretty much a standard mini-ITX build. Even the case is a Streacom F1C [] , with the Amiga logo etched on it.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439465)

Good CPU and RAM, horribly bad graphics card and completely overpriced? Sounds like they are trying to reinvent the Mac.

The anti-slashvertisement! (4, Funny)

teslar (706653) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439469)

Notice how that summary is about a product yet it is almost exclusively filled with negatives? Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the.... anti-slashvertisement.

I wonder what happens if the next story is a slashvertisment and the two touch?

Re:The anti-slashvertisement! (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440031)

They would probably annihilate each other in a flurry of dupe-onic posts.

Wanted... Stupid people (1)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439487)

Who will see the name and want to buy it for the nostalgia fix. There's going to be some.

GPU (3, Interesting)

dirtyhippie (259852) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439515)

Serious question: what do people need a beefy GPU for on a machine with an alternative OS? You already can't run the latest PC/windows games, and you don't need a spec-tastic GPU for running 99% of other applications. Am I missing something, or is this just hardware lust?

Re:GPU (2)

silanea (1241518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439633)

I am running a large number of my Steam purchased games on Linux through Wine. So yes, I do need that beefy GPU.

Commodore history of a name (5, Informative)

basotl (808388) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439557)

Commodore International went bancrupt in 1994. It was bought by Escom which also went bankrupt in 1996. In September 1997, the Commodore brand name was acquired by Dutch computer maker Tulip Computers NV. In late 2004, Tulip sold the Commodore name to Yeahronimo Media Ventures. Yeahronimo Media Ventures soon renamed itself to Commodore International Corporation. On June 24, 2009, CIC renamed itself to Reunite Investments. CIC's founder, Ben van Wijhe, bought a Hong Kong-based company called Asiarim, and Asiarim purchased the Commodore brand from Reunite. Asiarim then changed its name to Commodore Holdings Corporation.

Ownership of the Amiga line passed through a few companies, from Escom of Germany in 1995, and then to U.S. PC clone maker Gateway in 1997, before an exclusive lifetime license was made to Amiga, Inc. in 2000. On March 15, 2004, Amiga, Inc. announced that on April 23, 2003 it had transferred its rights over Amiga OS to Itec, LLC, later acquired by KMOS, Inc. On March 16, 2005, KMOS, Inc. announced it's change of corporate name to Amiga, Inc.

Commodore USA, LLC was founded in April 2010. Commodore USA licensed the Commodore brand from Commodore Licensing BV on August 25, 2010 and the Amiga brand from Amiga, Inc. on August 31, 2010.

TL;DR This is not the Commodore International you knew and loved.

Re:Commodore history of a name (2)

coldsalmon (946941) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439653)

...the Commodore brand name was acquired by Dutch computer maker Tulip Computers NV...

Well that explains the price: []

Wrong OS (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439561)

A custom Linux distro? What's the point of calling it Amiga then? They should have made a PowerPC machine, running the actual AmigaOS, then they could call it an Amiga. Hell, if you install AROS on any regular PC, it will be far more truly Amiga than this junk.

Re:Wrong OS (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439773)

Wait, someone is making an actual next-gen Amiga, and it's not those dolts. See here. []

Re:Wrong OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439965)

I would rather call the natami the next gen amiga.
The natami has more in common with amiga arch than the X1000 wich is a generic power pc.

Re:Wrong OS (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439825)

What's the point of calling it Amiga then?

To make money off the nostalgia factor.

Re:Wrong OS (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439859)

Then they should have made something that at least looks like an Amiga, not a Mac mini.

again? (1)

sixsixtysix (1110135) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439569)

i swear they tried to re-enter the market like 8-10 years ago, also to lackluster reception. wtf is wrong with these people?

Re:again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439585)

again... It's not the same folks. These people just bought the name and are trying to make some money off of it.

"Lackluster Linux" (1)

majesticmerc (1353125) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439609)

Where can I download Lackluster Linux, and how do I install it on my mediocre laptop?

Re:"Lackluster Linux" (1)

zevans (101778) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440017)

I would quite like a Lacklustre KDE, if that's one where they don't remove features with every "upgrade." (Panning, and now CPU scaling)

Sounds like the same ol' Commodore... (4, Interesting)

meburke (736645) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439617)

I first sold Commodore in Minneapolis back when they were making calculators in 1968. They came out with a 30-lb., programmable calculator that used magnetic strips to hold the programs. It only held 30 instructions, but it had recursion so it outperformed Friden and Marchant's competitive products. (One was 60 lbs and had two units connected by a thick cable, the other needed to be reprogrammed by performing the operation so it could be memorized before starting to produce any useful work.) I sold a bunch to Bell. With no printer (nixie-tube readout) an office of 30 people was practically silent. Bell had open rooms filled with clacking and clanking calulators in those days. Now we complain that the person next to us has a loud keyboard... Well, I made some money, but you should have heard the owner complain about the money he had tied up in Commodore. I didn't really know what he meant at the time.

Jump to 1978: I'm the first one selling Apple II and Commodore PET computers in Anchorage. I had to order 5 PET units at a time. My cost was $999.00 and the selling price was $1499.00. As long as I had a $5000 deposit with Commodore I had a $5000 "line of credit". But the manufacturing was lousy. I typically had shipments come in with two or more units DOA (and one where 4 out of my 5 units were DOA), which I had to RMA and wait for them to be returned. I needed stock? No problem: Commodore would gladly take another $5000 deposit and let me order 5 more units...

Jump to 1988: I'm selling computers to NASA in Houston for a store that also carries the Commodore Amiga. And guess what?..My manager is complaining about the same lousy manufacturing and policies that I did 10 years ago.

Jump to 1993: I helped set up a computer department for BizMart (now OfficeMax) and they are trying to deal with the same lousy stocking problems from Commodore. Right around Christmas time we sold a lot of Commodore Amiga and associated products. After Christmas the returns started coming in: It seems that we had all the marginal units dumped on us to make the Commodore numbers look good for some type of joint venture or purchase deal.

I believe in my heart that Commodore would have gone out of business if they didn't have the CMOS manufacturing to keep them afloat. I pity the vendors stuck dealing with Commodore, but it will probably be someone clueless like Best Buy anyway. The commodore products were somewhat innovative, but the company was not consumer or vendor friendly.

Re:Sounds like the same ol' Commodore... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439993)

Did you tie an onion to your belt as was the style at the time?

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

WTF (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439645)

So what makes this machine an Amiga?

FWIW I owned amiga compute from July 86 until July 02 (At which point I moved to the US, so sold them or gave them away.

-mod Up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439699)

ma7 be 4urting []

Completely Missed the Decade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439705)

Am I the only one to think Amiga OS completely missed the last decade? For a bigger quantity of decade than one?
The web site of Amiga OS is fancy, yes, but the actual screenshots of the system? Apple desktop married with widget set circa '85...
Notice how the demo video never stops for a single second on any frame, you have to actually pause the video to get real samples of this OS.
Even more to come:
- Crappy UI;
- Not a single innovative idea -- everything was borrowed from either Mac OS or Linux;
- Strange marketing;
- Rebranded OSS applications and games;
- Highly overpriced.
How any of the above delivers value? This is dead before it even ships anywhere...

Commodore're funny! (1)

unics (741003) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439769)

I nearly died laughing at the $2495 price tag.

Commodore and Amiga died decades ago (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439809)

Every thing since has been the warmed over remains. I'd love to know what value the Commodore brand has any more. I don't believe many people under the age of 30 would even recognise it and those over the age of 30 would have the sense to know that usually it's slapped on some crappy OEM rebadged piece of shit.

What's the point of the Amiga name, now? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439835)

The "new" Commodore company is selling PCs under both the Amiga and Commodore badges, but they are functionally interchangeable. They are based on the same hardware, and run the same software. They just fit in different form factors, and carry slightly different price points, as far as I can tell.

It seems like they resurrected the Amiga brand name just to see who they could see who they could sell it to with a fancier badge. Very reminiscent of the Lexus ES / Toyota Avalon / Toyota Camry situation where people think they're getting a better car just because it has a luxury badge even though its all the same parts.

full production? hmmmmmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39439923)

As a commadore owner of the 80's with the 64 and Amiga 2000, I appreciated the capability of those machines more than ever for the time. The price was right for what you got for graphics $ 299 for a commadore 64 was a deal. I paid $350 for my first Amiga in 1988 and it was fine for the time, especially for gaming. This Amiga sounds like a different group of engineers put it together under new ownership ? hmmmmm... If the graphics card is not it's strong point it has 16 gb of ram and a bluray player one has to wonder if it could even render the data, 1tb hard drive that isn't solid state for that price ? Just a guess but it sounds like they have 1-2k of these in production and 3rd party costs are at a high price point because they are not in full production quite yet.

  $2500 says it....

Linux with an Amiga emulator (1)

na1led (1030470) | more than 2 years ago | (#39439953)

I bet I could build an Amiga for far less and make everyone think it's an Amiga. I actually prefer the look and feel of the old hardware. Wish I could get my hands on an Amiga 2000 system real cheap.

RAM disk (1)

Pandur77 (1172799) | more than 2 years ago | (#39440009)

Guess I'm not the only one that used to run software from a ram disk on my Amiga. That would at least be a decent explanation for the 16GB of ram. :o)

Could the real Amigas please stand up (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39440069)

Please, please, please check out the "real" Amiga descendants that carry on the spirit of Amiga:

Amiga OS4 from Hyperion, MorphOS from, er, the MorphOS team and AROS from the, er AROS, team.

The first runs on custom built/designed PPC based machines - expensive, but unusual

The second runs on PPC-based MACs - cheap, but oldish

The latter is an open-source AmigaOS re-implementation and runs on x86, PPC and ARM.

ALL of them have far more to do with Amiga than this Linux on an expensive box nonsense.

This is retarded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39440113)

Seriously, why do people think they are doing something special and unique by making crap like this?

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