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New SimCity To Require Constant Internet Connection

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the unnatural-disasters-turned-on dept.

DRM 418

eldavojohn writes "According to Lead designer Stone Librande, it has been confirmed that the next installment of SimCity will require a constant internet connection. Perhaps as a form of DRM, the 2013 edition looks like it will be the first to include online play but will also require you to constantly be connected to Origin to play — even if that wasn't your point of purchase. Add SimCity to the growing list." Update: 03/29 02:09 GMT by S : An online connection will be needed to start the game, but you won't be kicked out if your connection dies.

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Console games to follow (5, Interesting)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500283)

Publishers have already managed to kill the used market for PC games with stuff like this. Console games are next. A lot of new console games are already requiring online activation for certain features (like Mass Effect 3). It's only a matter of time before they require online activation to work at all, and then ultimately require an online verification check each time the game is started.

A requiem for the days when consumers actually owned videogames, and could still play them just fine, even ten years later, using just the original game discs/cartridges.

Re:Console games to follow (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500325)

They're killing the new market for PC games too.

Re:Console games to follow (4, Insightful)

mhajicek (1582795) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500421)

Agreed. I will not buy games which require connection like this. No Starcraft 2, no Diablo 3, no SimCity 2013. The only way to keep this stuff from continuing is to show the game companies that they won't make money with it.

Re:Console games to follow (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500455)

Concern is that the mass public aren't even aware of this and won't be UNTIL they go to try it in few years and realise they cannot play.

Then, eventually there will just by simply acceptance that this is normal.

Boils my p1$$.

Re:Console games to follow (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500609)

What will show them is to both not buy it nor to download it. Rampant piracy of this game will only lead them to believe they need more DRM. On the other hand, noticeably less purchases and almost zero piracy of the game at the same time will show actually them their folly since they can't blame piracy for the failure.

Re:Console games to follow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500733)

Rampant piracy of this game will only lead them to believe they need more DRM.

Enough rampant piracy could have the opposite effect. DRM is a cost. It is not free to them to hire programmers to design and implement DRM systems nor to keep servers online etc. When they finally get the message that all the DRM in the world won't stop the pirates, the pirates will just view it as a chance to show off their skills, they may stop investing in DRM solutions. When even heavily pirated games still make millions for the game publishers I just don't see the business case for it at all. It seems like a religious belief.

Re:Console games to follow (3, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500665)

The war is over. either accept or go without. constant on DRM is here to stay. Jsut look at the shit Sony pulled yesterday with removing PSP games from PSN because they could be used to sploit the PS Vita. This means that people that bought and own the game can't redownload it. Its jsut gone.

Re:Console games to follow (5, Insightful)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500715)

Considering that I bought Simcity 2000, Simcity 3000 Unlimited (for both the PC and the Nintendo Wii), and Simcity 4 + Rush Hour pack, they've just lost a loyal customer.

What about old games in general? (5, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500337)

The other day I re-installed the original C&C Red Alert and had a fun time playing it.

Somehow, I doubt we'll be able to do the same with the new Sim City -- and many other new games -- seventeen years after their release. It's a sad future for old games.

Re:Console games to follow (-1, Troll)

MasterMan (2603851) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500361)

Now, I am completely saddened by this requirement because I am traveling and on a bad internet connection most of the time. I would really really like to play the new SimCity, but since my internet already breaks so often, I don't I am capable to. However, I don't think it's the publishers fault. I blame people who just pirate games for the hell of it for it. They made mine, and many other PC gamers shitty with that. Back home I have a good internet connection, and I can completely see the reasoning from publishers to require constant internet connection. I also understand that I am in minority, playing games while traveling the world. But the piracy rate is 90% on PC, even on indie games. The only way we can change that is to stop pirating. Publishers need to protect their investment too - so please, stop pirating PC games so we can have them in the future!

Re:Console games to follow (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500491)

90% any documentation on that? seems absurdly high to me that 90% of all used software is pirated...

or do 90% of software have at least one person pirating it, even if that figures to .0001% of everyone using it?

Re:Console games to follow (4, Insightful)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500521)

Right, because every pirated game is a lost sale. Know what I remember? When games had demos. Demos that were playable. Demos that got you invested in the game.

Know what I hate? When I buy a game like BF3 then realize the DRM makes it unplayable on my computer. Sorry, no returns when buying through Origin.

You people crack me up (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500371)

If you are that angry about it, don't buy the game.

What...going without video games will make you go crazy? You can't play a board game with your friends instead? Or read a book? Or just buy from indie publishers who don't do this?

The technology to require this level of tracking exists, and the only disincentive publishers have against using it is market tolerance. If most of their market is ok with this deal, they are going to move forward and leave whiners like you behind.

Re:You people crack me up (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500489)

If you are that angry about it, don't buy the game.

But ... but ... but ... don't you know that this counts as piracy?
The game doesn't sell good, must be because of all the illegal copies!1!eleven

Re:You people crack me up (0)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500703)

You might have a better point if not for the hundreds of thousands of people downloading these new games at any point in time. If you want them to be unable to blame piracy... stop pirating the game and do without it entirely. It's not like you'll die if you don't get to play it.

Re:You people crack me up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500511)

I don't have friends you insensitive clod.

Re:You people crack me up (5, Insightful)

Shompol (1690084) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500669)

If you are that angry about it, don't buy the game.

Unfortunately, even if all slashdotters stopped buying, the effect on video-game market would be almost zero. On the other hand, if we raise stink about it and manage to educate a significant portion of buyers managements will think twice before crippling their offerings. And that is exactly what we are doing here.

If most of their market is ok with this deal

Most of their market does not realize/give it a thought that their acquisition will kick the bucket as soon as it is not profitable to maintain those DRM servers, which could happen after a few years or as soon as tomorrow. And at that point they will need to go to the grey market looking for hacked version and punch themselves for shelling money for it in the first place. If the DRM locks the game to hardware, they are out of luck with the next hardware upgrade as well. Meanwhile those who have a hacked version can enjoy a DRM-free experience for years to come. This is called "defective by design". Look it up.

Re:You people crack me up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500755)

Unfortunately, even if all slashdotters stopped buying, the effect on video-game market would be almost zero. On the other hand, if we raise stink about it and manage to educate a significant portion of buyers managements will think twice before crippling their offerings. And that is exactly what we are doing here.

Just to be clear, you intend to educate a significant portion of non slashdotters by.... posting on slashdot? I think I may see a small flaw in your plan.

Horseshit deflection. (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500713)

You could say the same things about usurping, gouging and destroying the interests and consumerism of ANY technology or ANY hobby or ANY interest. "just don't buy it" and "they're a business so it's OK" and all variants of these statements are bullshit non-responses and nothing more than flakey attempts to avoid valid criticisms and contempt of abhorrent business practices.

Re:Console games to follow (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500599)

It's hard enough as it is to get many older games to work properly.

What if this were books? "My favorite book as a child was $book. But, sorry kids. It doesn't exist anymore." Many games have stories which are as highly involving as a book and are, quite arguably, cultural art and highly influential (something like Modern Warfare or Max Payne comes to mind).

Re:Console games to follow (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500683)

Publishers have already managed to kill the used market for PC games with stuff like this. Console games are next. A lot of new console games are already requiring online activation for certain features (like Mass Effect 3). It's only a matter of time before they require online activation to work at all, and then ultimately require an online verification check each time the game is started.

A requiem for the days when consumers actually owned videogames, and could still play them just fine, even ten years later, using just the original game discs/cartridges.

Funny thing is, it's really how the console gaming market is dying.

The PC gaming market is "dead" to the traditional AAA publishers, however it's very much alive and thriving in the indie game market (no doubt helped by stuff like Humble Bundle).

Consoles don't have many avenues for indie developers because of platform requirements (usually either established companies or security requirements), and thus only the bigger publishers and the small breakout indie games show up.

And you see a lot of indie devs spurred to develop for smartphones and tablets as well - the Apple "consoles" being extremely popular. Hell, Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft may find an unexpected 4th contender soon enough.

PC gaming has evolved into indie games - big AAA's are pretty much unpalatable on the PC. Big AAA's move to consoles, but their policies are going to kill gaming for it and consoles aren't in a spot to adapt like the PC market will.

We live in interesting gaming times, though whether the future will continue to have those old AAA games or we'll be having a billion clones of Angry Birds, it's hard to say.

Limited use (5, Insightful)

guspasho (941623) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500307)

Can I get my money back when the service is inevitably cancelled?

Re:Limited use (2)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500335)

Worthy case for small claims, actually.

Re:Limited use (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500447)

Worthy case for small claims, actually.

Unless of course you've given up your rights for legal action in exchange for arbitration...

Re:Limited use (1)

Oligonicella (659917) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500585)

State dependent. Some states will not enforce some agreements.

Re:Limited use (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500499)

And by 'worthy case' you mean he'll be 'laughed out of court and will have his case dismissed', right?

Re:Limited use (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500575)

And by 'worthy case' you mean he'll be 'laughed out of court and will have his case dismissed', right?

Only if they bother to show up. Which costs them money. Otherwise, he gets a default judgement regardless of the merits.

Re:Limited use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500345)

No.

Re:Limited use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500347)

Just make sure you go ask, in small claims court. everyone.

Re:Limited use (0, Flamebait)

pclminion (145572) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500419)

No, and why would you expect it? When the United States banned leaded gasoline in cars, did they federal government offer to buy your leaded-fuel vehicle at fair market value? Time passes, shit changes, life goes on. If it seems like a risk you don't feel comfortable taking, don't take it. It's not like they're being deceptive about it, it's right here on Slashdot.

Re:Limited use (1)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500541)

There exist additives to support cars that require leaded fuel. The only support for no-longer-support games is the pirates!

Re:Limited use (3, Insightful)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500557)

Or people could use the patch that eliminates the online requirement which will be released five minutes after the game. :)

Re:Limited use (4, Interesting)

Petron (1771156) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500615)

Except for the fact that leaded gasoline cars could run unleaded gas with lead-replacement additives put into the fuel.

A lot of DRM would be much more acceptable if the publisher guaranteed to put out a patch X months (or even years) after release to allow off-line play. In a game's life-cycle, the first few months of release are the most profitable. Trying to prevent copy-right infringement at that point is the most productive. If a company, say after 6-9 months would release a patch that removed the DRM, it wouldn't bother me enough to prevent me from buying the game.

Re:Limited use (3, Insightful)

Nemesisghost (1720424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500727)

A lot of DRM would be much more acceptable if the publisher guaranteed to put out a patch X months (or even years) after release to allow off-line play. In a game's life-cycle, the first few months of release are the most profitable. Trying to prevent copy-right infringement at that point is the most productive. If a company, say after 6-9 months would release a patch that removed the DRM, it wouldn't bother me enough to prevent me from buying the game.

No it wouldn't. The problem here is that you assume that if you purchase a copy after the DRM removal patch is out that your "new" copy won't have the DRM. Most likely, the DRM will still be apart of the retail copy and years down the road after they've stopped supporting the game you won't be able to find the patch that removes the DRM. A patch you need every time you need/decide to reinstall something you own.

Re:Limited use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500645)

Quite often when there is a shift in technology the government does offer you a grant or incentive to upgrade. This has happened a lot recently with solar panels, light bulbs & other forms of energy efficiency.

Thats also what happened with the RIAA. The way people listen to music changed and they couldn't cope. The government changed laws to give them a massive grant and now they're dying away.

This is great news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500313)

Now I won't be tempted to buy it.

Well if you stopped pirating your software. (-1, Flamebait)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500317)

If you disagree with the licence don't use it... It is a game. You don't need a game.

Re:Well if you stopped pirating your software. (2)

Xugumad (39311) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500375)

I'm not buying it. I'll probably buy something from GOG instead.

Still disappointed though.

Re:Well if you stopped pirating your software. (0)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500525)

But...but I'm owed this game! How dare you tell me to just not get it rather than pirate it!!!

Re:Well if you stopped pirating your software. (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500591)

Right, because fighting the market for used games did not factor into this decision at all. Gaming companies have so much respect for their users that they would only create these sorts of draconian DRM schemes if they were desperate to do so, because of the crushing weight of piracy, right?

Get real -- this is because Maxis has no respect for SimCity players and sees nothing beyond a chance to make a little more money than they did before.

Re:Well if you stopped pirating your software. (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500617)

What if 1984's publisher was able to put DRM in the book, and did so, at that time?

Sure, you don't need it. But a valuable part of culture would've been unavailable to subsequent generations due to, uh, Orwellian restrictions.

Re:Well if you stopped pirating your software. (3, Insightful)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500651)

I also want to add: I'm more likely to buy a game if I don't have to deal with the DRM. I can install it anywhere, just like I can read a book anywhere. Software has enough limitations as it is, I don't need the added restrictions of DRM to restrict my use of the game after a certain poorly defined point.

Re:Well if you stopped pirating your software. (2)

jxander (2605655) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500661)

If anything, DRM like this will cause *MORE* piracy, as the pirated versions will be cracked and able to play locally.

Don't like it, don't play it (-1, Troll)

pclminion (145572) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500321)

Personally, I was mighty pissed in 1995 when I tried to install Might & Magic III and the program told me it didn't have enough memory to run. I mean the NERVE of those guys. They sell me a game but it turns out I need to have constant access to RAM in order to use it? What a load.

Re:Don't like it, don't play it (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500381)

Not sure if trolling or incredibly fucking stupid......

Re:Don't like it, don't play it (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500629)

If I had to wager a guess, I'd say a little from column A, little from column B...

Re:Don't like it, don't play it (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500389)

Not even close to the same thing, even when taking into account the global economy feature. Your post is bad and you should feel bad

Re:Don't like it, don't play it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500391)

Right, because hardware requirements (RAM) are obviously the same thing as needing an Internet connection for no apparent reason? Way to go for specious reasoning skills.

Re:Don't like it, don't play it (1)

HCase (533294) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500435)

Did they also say that they would take away your RAM at some point if you did have enough? Among other important differences with you story is that an always on connection means that you lose the game whenever the publishers decides to turn it off.

Publisher decisions like this are a perfectly valid thing to complain about. It expresses your displeasure to a company so that they make a product more to your liking, and it warns other people about the faults you care about.

Re:Don't like it, don't play it (0)

pclminion (145572) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500543)

Did they also say that they would take away your RAM at some point if you did have enough?

Huh? That's not even a sensible analogy.

Among other important differences with you story is that an always on connection means that you lose the game whenever the publishers decides to turn it off.

True, and that's a very good reason to not buy this game, if you feel that's a risk. Your point? I don't see your point. Unless your point is "Blaaaarhghhghgh, Hulk Mad!" Because that's what it sounds like.

Re:Don't like it, don't play it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500565)

Adobe CS had that same problem. I just modified the installation XML file, and it installed just fine. Try doing that with a game like this, and you're a criminal under the DMCA for attempting to circumvent DRM.

Sad to say... (2)

Flipstylee (1932884) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500329)

But it's simple: I vote with my wallet, just like Assassins Creed 2, no sale.

what I have heard (1)

alienzed (732782) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500351)

is that the game will be multiplayer in the sense that your city will actually be located close to your friends' cities and possibly interact. That would explain the online component. Think World of Warcraft. It's not necessarily a piracy thing, but heck if it is, can you blame them? Besides, used game markets do just fine, you just can't continue to play it once you sell it. That doesn't mean ownership can't be passed along though.

Re:what I have heard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500413)

I most certainly can blame them if it's a piracy thing. I own a few of the other SimCity games. Looks like I won't be buying this one.

Re:what I have heard (1)

Oligonicella (659917) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500673)

Rather than the pirates?

Re:what I have heard (2)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500695)

not necessarily a piracy thing, but heck if it is, can you blame them?

Yes. Group punishment is a civil wrong.

Besides, used game markets do just fine, you just can't continue to play it once you sell it. That doesn't mean ownership can't be passed along though.

I see you haven't been victim of some of the used games that require online activation. The games become useless for resale once installed on the original machine.

You know what else you need? (-1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500357)

Continious power? can you believe? those bastard at the electric company always out to get us.

If you you want to use a battery, you still need to you 'their' electrons to fill your battery.

Re:You know what else you need? (4, Insightful)

Xugumad (39311) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500399)

I've had over a week's Internet downtime in the last year, and absolutely no power outage. You can understand if perhaps I'm more concerned about one than the other, then?

Re:You know what else you need? (-1, Flamebait)

pclminion (145572) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500507)

The fact that you are "concerned" at ANY level about the possibility of not being able to play a game for a little while is difficult to understand, especially when you have the free choice of not purchasing said game.

"They made it, but it's not what I wanted, so I'll stand over here and catch on fire." Ok, feel free to do that, I guess.

Re:You know what else you need? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500607)

And you're concerned that he's concerned. That's even more confusing. You say this can't affect him, how does this not affecting him affect you, to the point you had to post?

No idea what your point is, other than generally being upset people might have the audacity to care about things different than the things you care about.

Re:You know what else you need? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500647)

The moment they require an always-on internet connection its no longer purchasing a game but renting a license to use the game.

Re:You know what else you need? (1)

Chemicles (771024) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500693)

I think there's a huge difference between something which is necessary and therefore required, and something which is not necessary but the publisher is choosing to require anyways.

Cool! (1)

NIN1385 (760712) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500373)

Another game that I wont be purchasing. Glad I still own all my old games.

Re:Cool! (1)

i kan reed (749298) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500453)

Yep. I was interested, until this article came up. Now? I'll buy something else from some publisher that's not horrible. And I'll recommend against a purchase to everyone I know. I'm a frequent game buyer, but not for crap like this.

Failout: New Payus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500387)

Yeah, steam and whoever ruined Fallout: New Vegas with their "You can not play unless you are online and logged into our lame steam "service" which will force updates and make the game literally unplayable". I threw the disk in the trash and never even got a chance to play the game past a few days. Total waste of money and ruined my Fallout expierience (and no I'm not talking about the other game changes).

If I see "Internet Connection Required" or anything that wont let me play offline with just the disk and no updates, I will not buy your game.

Re:Failout: New Payus (2)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500711)

Steam does not require you to be online to play. Steam works just fine offline. I believe Steam games just need to be activated online once.

I've played Fallout: New Vegas offline. And I think it is funny that you choose to call that game specifically "Payus" when the developer basically didn't get paid on that game.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3160-AGCB-2555 [steampowered.com]

Ubisoft, Sony, and EA - No thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500427)

I was never really into EA games, but now I guess I'll be adding that company to my list of "Never, ever, under any circumstances, buy anything from this company." Heretofore, the list was [Ubisoft, Sony]. Now it's [Ubisoft, Sony, EA].

Don't care I will still buy it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500433)

I'm a huge SimCity fan and have been waiting for the next installment patiently for the past 8 years. I'll just grumble anytime my internet disconnects - and for the past months that was only for a total of 10 minutes, giving me an uptime of 99.977%. I think I could deal with that.

Re:Don't care I will still buy it. (0)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500501)

File post under "There's a sucker born every minute". It's right next "My latest iPhone is still the greatest even though..."

Re:Don't care I will still buy it. (1)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500717)

I'm a huge SimCity fan and have been waiting for the next installment patiently for the past 8 years. I'll just grumble anytime my internet disconnects - and for the past months that was only for a total of 10 minutes, giving me an uptime of 99.977%. I think I could deal with that.

Until - Like in my case, the city decides to put in some light posts on a street three blocks from you, then proceeds to drill thru the main trunk for your area - knocking out phone/internet service for almost two weeks.

The Simpsons Tapped Out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500439)

If it's Origin connection is anything like "The Simpsons Tapped Out", it'll fail to connect 75% of the time, and randomly corrupt your town 50% of the time... assuming you don't randomly end up with an "orphaned" town that doesn't quite work right.

OK, you win. I'm done with gaming. (1)

BLToday (1777712) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500473)

I don't need to play games on my computer or console (see SONY story from earlier). I still have a back log of 40 games that have never gone through.

Game Killer (1)

pubwvj (1045960) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500483)

Constant Internet Connection is Not an Option.
CIC NO

Guess I won't bother upgrading.

Blah blah blah (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500485)

"Add SimCity to the growing list..."

of games I won't buy.

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500487)

Guys, guys, we all have the internet, we can play this and deal with it like grown-ups.

Re:Who cares? (2)

mhajicek (1582795) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500689)

You're missing the point. Any authority which grants permission can also not grant permission. Services are sold off and shut down. Games and ebooks can be and have been "unsold" retroactively. If you want the software you buy to remain functional, it must operate without the need to call home for permission. There was a recent article about PSP games becoming unavailable for download, even if you already paid for them. No refund was offered. Similarly, you could buy this new version of SimCity only to find that the publisher has decided to discontinue it, rendering your purchase inoperable.

EA! Yeeeeeaaaahhhh! (5, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500503)

I hear this SimCity has an actual ending. Vishnu shows up in the form of Justin Beiber, and kicks your city into the sea. But you get to choose which sea.

Wife is heavily into Cityville... (2)

Immostlyharmless (1311531) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500505)

I had heard this was going to be coming out soon and was thinking about picking it up for her. Looks like we can scratch that. Cityville already requires a constant connection and makes you reload and lose all your shit when it drops for a few seconds. Why on earth do they think I want to pay 60 bucks for that same privilege? I assume they think we're made of money AND stupid?

Requires Constant Internet Connection (5, Funny)

need4mospd (1146215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500509)

No it won't.

-pirates

Pic sums up what heppens to developers with EA (5, Funny)

mykos (1627575) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500519)

Re:Pic sums up what heppens to developers with EA (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500745)

That comic left off Origin.

This is the least of our worries... (1)

prezkennedy.org (786501) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500539)

...considering what EA did to the last SimCity game. If this is the only flaw, then we got off fairly easily. They still have plenty of time to ruin everything else though, just like they did in SimCity Societies. "Let's make SimCity for the casual gamer!"

Wow... (-1, Troll)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500545)

So much corporate cock sucking in this thread.

"Herp derp, don't buy it then"

Well of course. That's the point. But likening this to the equivalent of the mandatory removal of leaded gasoline and then saying "deal with it"?

Bullshit.

Stuff like this needs to be voted down in the free market by customers buying competitors' products. Oh wait, the free market only matters when it fattens CEO wallets. Customers don't count. Right.

--
BMO

Origin? Persistant connection? (1)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500547)

Huh. For some reason, I just lost 100% of my interest in SimCity 5. Good thing there are lots of other games that don't require the worthless Origin service and can be played offline--such as most of my games on Steam, for instance.

The Sim City franchise jumped the shark (5, Insightful)

DJ Jones (997846) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500549)

Sim City destroyed their brand with Sim City 3000. Like many simulation games, they focused too much on graphics and 3D imagery and compromised usability and basic game play. Sim City 2000 is still their best version and it was built in 1993. IMO they should return to a basic tile-based game engine and start over.

"Add simcity to the growing list..." (2)

emuls (1926384) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500559)

Add simcity to the growing list

Of games I won't be playing.

bandwidth check much? (2)

BetaDays (2355424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500577)

I wonder how much bandwidth will be sucked up by this.

Boycott EA, Others (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500595)

Seriously; we will not see real change in the media marketplace unless we hit the content controllers where it hurts: their bottom line.

I propose a boycott of any company or industry who attempts to impose draconian measures to disable consumers from owning what they paid for.

RIAA suing grandma into oblivion? Boycott the music industry.

MPAA trying to coerce the government into passing unconstitutional, anti-privacy laws? Boycott Hollywood.

In this rare case, collateral damage is a good thing; Those who work in these industries but aren't members of the "bad guy"groups will have incentive to pressure their peers into doing right by consumers.

Re:Boycott EA, Others (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500681)

We tried to boycott EA, but RIAA sued my grandma into Oblivion. I agree with boycotting EA, they make the game production scene worse by eliminating competition, not better.

I was going to buy this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500611)

I was going to buy this. Now I will pirate it when its cracked.

My name is Legion (0)

fallen1 (230220) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500623)

I, for one, will be following the (hopefully) masses of gamers who shun any and all games that require a constant online connection to play - even if you want to play the "single player" version. Furthermore, I will be writing each game company (as in real paper and a stamp) explaining to them why I am no longer purchasing any of their products. I will not be using any vitriol or hate-filled speech because I want to get my point across, not just lash out. I will, of course, follow-up my paper letter with an e-mail to multiple departments or persons within that company (sales, marketing, the president/ceo, and so on) - NOT spamming the letter, but making sure it gets to key personnel or is seen by them.

Since this is not my letter to those companies and people, I do have one thing I'd like to say:

FUCK THEM IN THEIR MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLES!

Thank you.

and.... (1)

heezer7 (708308) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500635)

I was actually looking forward to this game too. :-(

Okay (0)

pseudofengshui (1432581) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500639)

I don't have an issue with this sort of DRM. It's better than all other forms of DRM, in my opinion. I've got a business-class internet connection (read <1% downtime) so a required connection doesn't really affect me.

I understand why some people might have a problem with this sort of DRM but they should feel free not to purchase a product with such a requirement just like how I'm not going to buy any more Ubisoft-published games. Which sucks because Far Cry 3 looks pretty awesome but I'm prepared to stick to my guns on this one.

What I'm not doing is loudly opining how horrible everything is and how much people who do choose to purchase Ubisoft games are somehow lesser human beings. Chill out, angry folks.

Re:Okay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39500751)

You may have connectivity but when their server goes down from DDOS you'll be shit out of luck trying to pay your newly rented game from EA.

In future news: (1)

Mojo66 (1131579) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500691)

Just 4 weeks after the release of their latest AAA title, SimCity 2013, EA today complained about millions of downloads of the illegal, but DRM-free version of the game from P2P sites after a server malfunction made playing the game impossible for hours. Hackers had removed the need to be always online from the game earlier this week. "They are stealing our intellectual property!", a unnamed EA spokesperson said.

Recouping the cost of game development (0)

AcidPenguin9873 (911493) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500705)

Pirates obtain the game for $0, which makes recouping the cost of developing the game impossible with a single sale to a consumer. So game producers say okay, instead we'll recoup the cost of making the game with what amount to microtransactions (via monthly payments via the Internet connection) over the course of any person's gameplay. I don't see what the problem is. The free market works both ways folks; if pirates figure out how to not pay game developers for the game that they should be paying for, game developers find a different way to get paid.

Works For Me (3, Insightful)

Rie Beam (632299) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500721)

Fine by me -- interacting with other people's cities has been something I've been looking forward to in the series for a long time. I imagine a world where one country's low industrial taxes suck away all of the factory jobs from your online neighbors, but everyone lives in another region and takes that neighbor's super-fast rail to world, while yet another neighbor develops a coastal resort for this population of transit workers to relax at on their days off, all the while a struggling farm community sits on its hands with a "World's Largest Llama" display...

Count me baited. DRM or not, I'm on board, assuming this enhancement is at least somewhat more than a simple statistical one.

Well, that'll be another game I don't buy then (5, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500725)

I am not a zealot, I'll meet publishers half way on DRM. I'm ok so long as it doesn't mess with my gameplay experience. Steam is fine, activation on install is fine. I prefer no DRM but I'm not going to be an absolutist dick.

However I will not accept always connected DRM for single player games. Part of the reason I have single player games is for when I don't have net access like when I'm on a plane, or when my Internet dies (and please let's not pretend like that never happens) and so on. That means they'd better work without it.

As such I've not bought Settlers 7, Assassin's Creed 2, or Heroes of Might and Magic 6. All games I wanted, all which I was willing to pay for, none that I have because of the always on DRM.

Thing is, it really isn't a big deal. There are SO MANY good games these days. Not just big studio titles, but indy as well, and digital distribution lets me get them easy. I have a backlog of games that I've bought, and haven't even installed. Time is my limiting factor, not games to play.

As such I can give some titles a miss, and will. I encourage others to do the same. Don't pirate, just don't buy. If they want always on DRM, just give it a miss and get something else. There's tons and tons out there. You can't be a zealot about it and demand NO DRM EVAR! If you do that you'll find your selection fairly limited, however if you meet them half way and say "Only DRM that doesn't mess with my ability to play," you find a whole lot of games.

What about downtime (1)

old_kennyp (949607) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500741)

What happens when your internet connection is Broken? How the heck do you play while waiting for the Telco / ISP to fix your service. I suppose we can all go back to Mimesweeper and Solitaire :-)

I'm out (1)

12345Doug (706366) | more than 2 years ago | (#39500753)

I liked the whole SimCity genre and still do today. I like city builders. That said I don't particularly like online games. I certainly don't want to have an always on internet connection to play them. When I'm traveling for business firing up a quick game before bed becomes a lot more of a hassle if I now have to rent internet service for it. Also I don't want to sign up for another service. Steam was pushing it, I just can't do Orion too. That probably means the next Dragon Age release is out for me as well. Oh well.
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