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SJVN Tells How Reporting on Linux Has Changed in the Last 10 Years (Video)

Roblimo posted about 2 years ago | from the first-they-ignore-you-then-they-ridicule-you dept.

Android 79

SJVN is, of course, the well-known nickname and abbreviation for Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols, who has been covering technology as a journalist since... since longer than he cares to admit... and has been covering Linux and FOSS since the 1990s. This was basically a one-question interview: "How has reporting on Linux changed in the last 10 years?" After that, except for a couple of words requesting clarifications, we just let the webcam roll. (Note: if you know someone who would make a good Slashdot video interview victim, please put us in touch with them. Thanks.)

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Great guy (4, Insightful)

Johnny Mister (2610721) | about 2 years ago | (#39583155)

Before he started working as journalist, he was a programmer and a system administrator, so I can see where he is coming from and why Linux interests him. Back in the early 90's I worked very closely with him and it was a blast. He actually has contributed a lot to the Windows kernel and where from Microsoft took most of his good ideas to Windows and which later became the most successful OS ever produced. On OS X side, he has contributed to the creation of Linux like distro system, called App Store, and many of the technology aspects of it come from him.

It's great to see he is still covering Linux and FOSS in general, after 20 years. Awesome fella.

Re:Great guy (2, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#39583259)

Even though he is a great guy. He isn't much of a public speaker. He isn't horrible but isn't that great, he should have put his commentary in texts and had us read it, I think we would have gotten more out of it.

Re:Great guy (2)

pipatron (966506) | about 2 years ago | (#39583371)

What the hell, the parent does not deserve a flamebait mod for merely stating an opinion like this!

Re:Great guy (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 2 years ago | (#39594617)

This is true of pretty much anyone. Or maybe it's just that I find reading a transcript is less prone to distractions, easier to break off and restart, and (last but not least) considerably faster.

Can you recall any specifics here? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583361)

"Back in the early 90's I worked very closely with him and it was a blast. He actually has contributed a lot to the Windows kernel and where from Microsoft took most of his good ideas to Windows and which later became the most successful OS ever produced." - by Johnny Mister (2610721) on Thursday April 05, @08:03AM (#39583155)

See subject-line above, per your words requoted: Can you give us some specifics here?

APK

P.S.=> Just curious... apk

Why was I downmodded? I asked a question! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39590647)

See subject-line in regards to my 1st post here -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2757997&cid=39583361 [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> I mean, IF you're going to downmoderate my posts, @ least state why for GOOD & LEGIT reasons (not just because you have something against me personally), and when I am asking a question, innocently enough, then why downmod me for? apk

Re:Great guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39590115)

You are a paid poster and we do not want you here.

Re:Great guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39590709)

U R A trolling ac douchebag: We definitely do NOT want YOU here. Who the "F" are you to tell him who we want here and don't want here, scumbag? Prove he's a "paid poster" shitskull, before you shoot your piehole off @ him (or anyone else here).

Why video submissions? (5, Insightful)

pipatron (966506) | about 2 years ago | (#39583179)

Do people really want video stories? I thought it was just the old-media newspapers that pushed them because you can't skip ads as easily in a stream as you can on a website.

It takes ages to sit through a video with someone talking, compared to reading a transcription, so a written story is obviously superior.

Re:Why video submissions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583267)

I agree. I don't have time to watch this. Just post the transcript.

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#39583285)

Yes I do, but as a rss podcast feed, not as a part of a news website. I watch the stuff on TWIT a lot, but those are full professionally produced shows.

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

Hadlock (143607) | about 2 years ago | (#39583317)

Absolutely; I will read an interesting article at my desk at work, but I'll be damned if let my boss catch me watching tv at work, unless it's another balloon boy or 9/11 event. Maybe some bored slashdotter will post the transcript for the rest of us.

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

6Yankee (597075) | about 2 years ago | (#39583319)

Superior *for the user*, but the ads will be harder to block in a video. You know that's where this is going.

Didn't watch this one in case it's another Plantronics stunt.

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | about 2 years ago | (#39587415)

Superior *for the user*,

I am a user, and I tell you: no, I don't feel that video is superior. First, the human brain is faster at reading than at listening. Second, I spend 8 hours per day at work. Not necessarily working, but I don't really want to make that distinction obvious by blaring it out of my PC's loudspeakers. And third: this is slashdot, we're supposed to hate flash. So if you post a video, why don't you at least use a sane format?

Video is ok if it is actually needed (showing something happening that is visually appealing). A video of a guy reading off a transcript is just way beyond stupid (... from the user's point of view. Advertisers may have a different opinion)

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

6Yankee (597075) | about 2 years ago | (#39587699)

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but the GP said, "a written story is obviously superior," and my "Superior for the user" was following on from that. We agree that the video isn't superior for the user. I suspect that it's superior for the advertiser (or multiple advertisers throughout the same video), and that that's why we're getting this shoved down our throats.

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

Mr Bubble (14652) | about 2 years ago | (#39588533)

I think there is a place for both. Human communication isn't just about effieciency. I enjoyed larning a little about this guy, picking up some context, hearing his humor and inflections etc. It's not just about rapid information transfer.

Re:Why video submissions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39590753)

Thank you. Exactly what I've always thought, but this is the first time I've seen it stated. Personally, I always dump a video the moment I see the ad start - so irritating. I'd rather not watch it then become a captive audience. Might as well buy an Apple product if I want to go there.

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

Allicorn (175921) | about 2 years ago | (#39583377)

Amen to that.

Should there not be a "Video Content" topic flag and a corresponding filter option?

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#39585845)

There's supposed to be a whole new section [slashdot.org] just for this shit, but for some reason they can't use it consistently.

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | about 2 years ago | (#39587461)

There's also idle...

Give us videos if it's about explosions, or nifty quadricopters hovering accross the room, or planes slamming into buildings, or police beating the crap out of some poor helpless geek. But if it's just some boring guy reading his submission from a sheet, then printed text is way more appropriate.

Re:Why video submissions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583461)

Video stories? Certainly.

A stupid ad in front of it? Hell no.

me too! (4, Insightful)

Thud457 (234763) | about 2 years ago | (#39583839)

I rarely bother to look at a story on any site if it's just a link to a video.

I mean, it's nice that we can (sort of) do video on the web now, but we don't need to use it for every damn thing. Video may be more engaging for most viewers, but you're forced to consume it at it's pace. You can't just leave a page open and dip in to read a paragraph or two in and idle moment. You can't really search within video. And most of the time, you need to have sound enabled to get the most out of a video.

tl;dr - video has some advantages, but you lose a whole lot of what makes the web so goddamned useful.

Re:me too! (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | about 2 years ago | (#39587535)

You can't really search within video.

Exactly. And this makes most of those video tutorials on youtube so stupid: most people won't even find them because google doesn't index the spoken word (yet).

Moreover, you can't print out the tutorial either before walking down to the NOC, or to a remote customer's site, as you could with a written tutorial.

Re:Why video submissions? (3, Insightful)

Bill Dimm (463823) | about 2 years ago | (#39583855)

Most of the videos posted as stories recently have been advertisements. The cynic in me says that this guy paid to have this posted to get publicity for himself, which would only be achieved via video (who notices the byline in a written article?). I wouldn't have suggested such a thing a few months ago, but with the way Slashdot has been run recently the motivation behind the stories that are posted has become murky.

Ads in Videos (5, Insightful)

b5bartender (2175066) | about 2 years ago | (#39585499)

If a stream starts with an Ad first, it's killed without being watched. End of story. The only thing worse are those web articles presented in "slideshow" format to maximize ad revenue.

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 years ago | (#39586225)

Do people really want video stories? I thought it was just the old-media newspapers that pushed them because you can't skip ads as easily in a stream as you can on a website.

Hell, old media does it better. The old newspapers put up a text article but include a video sometimes because video sometimes expresses things better than text ever could. But the core content was in the text. Plus because they're old media, they stick to traditional techniques including, surprise suprrise, editing!

It's the new media (blogs, etc) trying to show how much they're "better" than the old lumbering media giants that are doing things worse. From crap twit-like newsposts with no in-depth reporting, poorly (if any) edited videos and stuff like that Just to get the news out first.. And what's worse is they're dragging everyone else down with them.

And that's the problem - good production takes time. Writing is probably the fastest way to get the news out - you write the rough draft, revise and edit it and post. Video requires a script, filming and post production (most "new media" skip the first and last step, leading to minutes of "um, oh, ah, err" fillers, "where I put this", poorly focused visuals, bad sound, etc).

Re:Why video submissions? (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | about 2 years ago | (#39587321)

It takes ages to sit through a video with someone talking, compared to reading a transcription, so a written story is obviously superior.

... and moreover people can't listen to it at work, because either their computer has no audio, or people don't want half of the open plan office knowing that you're not working but "reading" Slashdot.

O, and it's flash. WTF?

Re:Why video submissions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39587987)

No, it is crap.

Re:Why video submissions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39599067)

Usually I skip videos, but now I wanted to see how SJVN looks and sounds like since I've enjoyed his articles.
- Jorma

Well-known nickname and abbreviation? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583227)

If you say so.

Re:Well-known nickname and abbreviation? (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#39583345)

The Linux name is well known It is just below...
Windows
iOS
Android (yea it is Linux but they don't call it Linux)
OS X
DOS
(it may have risen above DOS)

Saying Linux has won is kinda lame. Linux found it niche market and it isn't quite what the community 10 years expected it to be. 10-15 years ago. The Linux Community Wanted Linux for the Desktop. Today we still joke that Next year will be the year of Linux on the Desktop. We didn't get it. I doubt Linux will ever win the Desktop market until the day the the Desktop is irrelevant.

Linux has a strong niche in the Back End for Servers, and with Android a strong showing in mobile. However I don't like to count Android as due to the sucess of the Linux community but more to the success of Google. Google could have just as easily made Android off of BSD, however because they were using Linux for their Servers they just modified it to make the Android OS with a Linux kernel.

DOS or MS/DOS? (1)

number6x (626555) | about 2 years ago | (#39590127)

I haven't seen a DOS installation since the mid 1970's. By then DOS had been replaced by DOS/VMS on those old IBM Mainframes. Of course so many never needed updating, it wouldn't suprise me if there weren't a few DOS computers operating today.

If you meant MS/DOS instead of DOS, I completely understand your ranking. Sure there might be a lot more people that know about MS/DOS than know about Linux.

There are probably a lot more people who use Linux (Roku, Tivo, Sony Bravia TV's, Googling something, Android, Tom Tom, etc) than used MS/DOS, they just have no clue that they use Linux day in and day out.

Also, most of the people who remember MS/DOS have no clue that there was an operating system called DOS 15 years before MS/DOS and that Microsoft (or Micro Soft as it used to be called) never sold an operating system called DOS.

Re:DOS or MS/DOS? (1)

LinuxIsGarbage (1658307) | about 2 years ago | (#39590721)

Let me guess, you're a GNU/Linux kind of person?

Or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

GNU/**** (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 2 years ago | (#39597183)

Not for long. As everything in the GNU part of it becomes GPL3, watch Linux distros come out w/ LLVM/Clang and userland features from other places, like BSD, Android, Debian and so on.

Re:GNU/**** (1)

LinuxIsGarbage (1658307) | about 2 years ago | (#39606349)

More fragmentation in the Linux space. Yippee!!

Maybe GNU will move to GNU/HURD, or as I've taken to calling it, GNU plus HURD.

Re:GNU/**** (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 2 years ago | (#39607765)

Hope it does - so that RMS stops taxing people into calling Linux GNU/Linux, and instead, using a home-grown kernel so that the FSF can claim a fully native OS. In which case, they don't even need to call it GNU/HURD - they can just call it GNU.

Incidentally, I don't think that Linux space will be fragmented - it will simply move away from GNU so that that claim won't remain valid that it should be called GNU/Linux.

BSD, Android, Debian and so on... (1)

mitzampt (2002856) | about 2 years ago | (#39644219)

You mean GNU's Debian GNU/Linux software distribution, which is pretty much the largest and one of the most influential distribution in time and space (yea, I just wrote that on purpose). Maybe GPLv3 looks like the other kind of evil, disruptive for business and a dorkly way to artificially create a difference between free and open, but FOSS communities will not abandon the huge Debian repositories. Before you abandon GPLv3 by assuming it's impractical for business and a deterrent of real investment you should get into their shoes and their mindset to see that the letter and the spirit of that evil license has a slot for decent business models and thriving communities.
No, the year of Linux desktop isn't afoot by a long shot. No, I don't believe Linux can fit the bill for anyone. No, i'm not some kind of cultist preaching "free" and "open". But I believe the fun part is just beginning and I should remind you that a few years ago most people assumed all computers run Windows, and now everyone assumes BSD licensed stuff will replace GPLv3 stuff.

And why a video interview. (5, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#39583241)

I am sorry for sounding like an old phogie, but why is Slashdot doing these videos. I got 1 minute in and just stopped it because I got a choppy video and a gentleman while I am not judging him isn't that much of a public speaker. Who seems to be saying stuff that has been summarized over and over again.

Most of us have been taught this ability to read. It is a neat skill where we take symbols and without making any noise we can convert them into a method of exchanging ideas. Most of us has gotten so good at it that we can do it much faster then we can transmit the data by voice.

Sure some things are better with video. But an interview like this just sucks minutes from our lives. The speaker isn't really adding anything in Non-Verbal Communication, they are not using animated imagery to express a concept. We just have a guy talking about stuff. Which we could get just as well from reading it.

Re:And why a video interview. (1)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#39583733)

A video is often a waste of my time. I can read a transcript (if there were one) a heck of a lot faster than watching a video.

Re:And why a video interview. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39586605)

The interesting thing, is that this is how reporting on Linux has changed in the last 10 years.

Flame away, but I'll state that Linux wouldn't have a tiny fraction of its desktop presence without /..

Ten years ago this was a pretty good geek hang. That strong association between required-daily-read and Linux advocation set the seed of respect that made most of us take it seriously.

Things have been sliding pretty bad lately. Be interesting to watch how, if at all, that'll effect Linux now.

Re:And why a video interview. (1)

The Raven (30575) | about 2 years ago | (#39593241)

I agree. An example of a good video interview? Richard Feynman [youtube.com] has some of the best ever. And that's partly because his enthusiasm and animated movements help interest and explain the concepts in addition to the words.

The video in this article? Not so much.

Slashdot joins exclusive club (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583265)

The club of sites where video doesn't play. I almost hoped you were using Silverwhatever, but no, you somehow managed to break Flash. Well, I'm running Linux, true, but I didn't think the end of Flash has already come. Good job!

Re:Slashdot joins exclusive club (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#39583275)

You didn't miss much. I watched it on windows and there wasn't much going on and the video was choppy.

Re:Slashdot joins exclusive club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583695)

I watched it on Linux and it worked (Fedora 14 with stock Flash player from Adobe). The sound is smooth, the video is choppy probably b/c the video editing software that they used sucked.

who? (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#39583281)

"SJVN is, of course, the well-known nickname and abbreviation for Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols"

Honestly, I've been a heavy linux guy for 15 years and I have never heard of this guy, or at least not have heard of him enough to recognize his nickname.

Re:who? (3, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 2 years ago | (#39583331)

Jeez, you should get out from under your rock more often. I especially like his work from the Texas Flood/Couldn't Stand the Weather years.

Re:who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583661)

He is not well known enough for even Dvorak, someone who is a real "well known" tech reporter, to even acknowledge him.

Honestly most people do not know who he is.

Re:who? (1)

gujo-odori (473191) | about 2 years ago | (#39583667)

I wish I had some mod points for you, SRV is the first thing that popped into my head, too :-)

I know who SJVN is by his full name (but thinks he's something of a windbag; the Rush Limbaugh of tech, if you will), but missed the abbreviation entirely. My first thought was that the N must be for Network and this is just YANTA (Yet Another New Tech Abbreviation) :p

Re:who? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#39588183)

You know, there are few things I don't like about the 21st century, but the overuse of acronyms is one of them. Is that a Disk Operating System or a Denial of Service attack?

They should fucking SPELL IT OUT. To not do so is just laziness.

Re:who? (1)

mitzampt (2002856) | about 2 years ago | (#39644321)

SJVN is the mnemonic for "That Guy In That One Video In That One Slashdot Article Saying Something Before I Got Lazy And Moved To Comments Instead Of Watching" ... I believe TGITOVITOSASSBIGLAMTCIOW was too long so they shortened it.Also, the abbreviation sounded a little weird...

Re:who? (1)

polebridge (517983) | about 2 years ago | (#39583545)

Just a way for them leets (wouldn't it be cool if there were a special way to spell that?) to feel superior to us under-rock-dwellers who prefer text to choppy video.

Re:who? (1)

petes_PoV (912422) | about 2 years ago | (#39584003)

Nope, I can't say I've ever heard of him either. However, after listening to what he has to say - I'm not too surprised. His views don't appear to be very profound or insightful and I can't say that his piece made me sit up and reconsider anything.

So it turns out that he's just a guy with some rather pedestrian views. Fair enough, but hardly worthy of recognition.

Re:who? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39584229)

Totally agree. I don't know that guy, let alone the abbreviation, and I've been into Linux since its early days in the early nineties. But I am a European. And this guy obviously is an American.

Guys, wake up please. The world doesn't end at the borders of the USA. In fact, Linux was invented by a European in Europe, not the USA. I couldn't care less what this SJVN guy tells (nothing new, now that I watched the video).

Besides, I really HATE to see videos on Slashdot. I hate it because of the ads I can't skip and as reading a transcript is much faster than watching a video interview. And for plain interviews, making videos really doesn't add anything as it's all about the content, no?

$la$hdot: STOP IT! Don't walk down this even more commercial alley. Your spoilt by too much $$ alread.

Re:who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39586619)

SJVN? Is he a famous rock guitarist?

F U C K Slashdot! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583303)

I was hardly able to continue reading Slashdot when it became political after 9/11.

Now I have to watch Youtube videos which have been renamed and reuploaded to a different host with advertising?

This place is now the asshole of tech news. Oh wait... *just* news.. most tech news here are old or duplicates...

Flash video? Not HTML5? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583501)

For a technology site that has large amounts of Linux and FOSS news coverage, it is disappointing to see Adobe Flash used as a method of video display. My Firefox 11.0 has HTML video built-in, but it is useless and instead I am asked to use a proprietary program that is discontinuing Linux support (except for Chrome) in a format that frequently experiences malware attacks. Please consider using other options.

Re:Flash video? Not HTML5? (1)

Bill Dimm (463823) | about 2 years ago | (#39583659)

I had the exact same reaction when these videos first started popping up, then I realized that most of them were [slashdot.org] advertisements [slashdot.org] and I stopped caring.

Transcript (5, Informative)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 2 years ago | (#39583539)

Title: How Has Reporting on Linux Changed in the Last Decade?
Description: Steven J. Vaugh-Nichols, who has been writing about Linux nearly forever, explains how much covering it has changed - for the better. For one thing, he says, he no longer has to tell people what Linux is.

[00:00] <TITLE>
"Tech Journalist Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols" appears along with the SlashdotTV logo bar reading "How as reporting on Linux changed in the last 10 years?" over a view of the interviewee in what appears to be a private residence room.

[00:02] Steven>
The last decade, well, you know, the thing is, we've won.
We haven't really realized it 'cos we didn't win the way that we thought we would, you know, marching down the streets of Redmond holding torches and Bill Gates fleeing, in a helicopter, petting a white cat as he goes, saying "I'll get you Mr. Linus, you and your little penguins, too!" - stay tuned for the sequel.
As a result of that, reporting about it has also sort of changed.
Once upon a time, if I were to write anything at all about Linux, I'd have to say what Linux is and go through a lot of background information.
I don't need to do that anymore.
Instead, what I have to do is, I have to remind people that, you know, Linux is everywhere.
So it's a different sort of context.
Also, when I wrote about Linux, it used to be I could assume that my audience was pretty technical - because nobody except techies really got into Linux.
And, again, it's sort of different now.
Everyone sort of knows about Linux, so I don't have to get really technical about it, but again I sort of have to remind them of where Linux is in today's computer world - which is, again, you know, it's everywhere.

[01:30] <TITLE>
The SlashdotTV logo bar with "What about Android?" fades in and out of view.

[01:30] Steven>
Android is actually, again, it's one of those areas that we're winning in.
I mean, sure, all the excitement is about iPhones, but you know Linux - rather, Android - which, again, is just Linux - it's just an embedded Linux, that's all it is, folks! - is pretty much in all these devices.
If you have a smartphone, if you have a tablet, if it's not an iPhone, if it's not an iPad, it's almost certainly running Android.
The way I see it spinning out is, you know, people who just absolutely have to have that nifty, cool, Apple device.. okay, they're gonna buy that, they'll pay a premium for it.
But for everybody else, it's going to be Android.

[02:18] <TITLE>
The SlashdotTV logo bar with "Is Oracle relevant to Linux?" fades in and out of view.

[02:18] Steven>
As far as the patents go, I've been following that pretty darn closely.
Not as closely as Pamela Jones over at Groklaw does - and her friends.
But, you know, the bottom line is.. out of all the patents that Oracle brought up against Android, only two of those remain.
Of those two, their own expert came out and said "Well, the damages from this would probably come to something like, you know, maybe, maybe, high end $70M or $80M. If, if, Google is found guilty."
Now, $70M or $80M, I mean that's a lot of money to you and me - but for companies the size of Google and Oracle?
I mean, that's a hiccup.
I mean, that's a footnote.
If you wanna talk about a company that has actually made real money from Android and hasn't had a thing to do with it, the company you wanna talk about is Microsoft.
Because they've got all these cross-licensing deals with the OEMs, because the OEMs are a little scared of Microsoft, so they'll just pay off these patent deals without actually trying to fight them.
It wouldn't surprise me to know that Microsoft actually makes more money from Android than they do from their Windows Phone or Mobile CE or one of the other various mobile platforms they have now.
Oracle, though - You know, it's turned into a non-story.

[03:54] <TITLE>
The SlashdotTV logo bar with "What about Oracle Linux? Does anybody use it?" fades in and out of view.

[03:55] Steven>
I know there are some people out there, but I would have to say that I probably know.. for every business I know that has deployed Oracle Linux, I know probably 20 others that have deployed Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and probably like 50 more usually much smaller companies that have deployed CentOS.
So, even if you just look at the Red Hat Universe, Oracle really isn't much of a player there.
They keep trying, they keep saying "We'll offer you free and better support, we'll give you better patches."
No they don't - not really.
The few people I know who do invest in Oracle are basically Oracle-only shops.
A long time ago they invested in Oracle's DBMS, and the rest of their middleware scaled back, and so they thought "Well, we'll go ahead and get Oracle Linux as well."
And yes, Oracle Linux is actually pretty cheap , but there's nothing else in the Oracle catalog *laughs* that could be described as "cheap".
So, really, you know, again, I don't think Oracle is now, or ever will be, a serious enterprise Linux player.

[05:23] <TITLE>
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[05:24] Steven>
The next 'big thing' that's gonna happen..
You know, they're gonna be invisible things.
I think you're going to see yet more and more things end up on Linux.
I think that Windows 8 doomed to be a real failure - just as Vista was a real flop in its day.
I think Windows 8 is following in the exact same tracks - it's giving people stuff they really don't want, it's really not gonna work well, it's not going to address their issues.
But that does not mean that I think that the traditional fat client Linux desktop - like an Ubuntu or Mint - is going to somehow jump in there and shove it aside.
We had a little bit of that back when Vista showed up and then the netbooks appeared, and for a very brief time there were netbooks everywhere, and there were a lot of people using one variety of Linux or the other.
And Microsoft woke up and said "*scoffs* We can't let this go by, this is a disaster in the making."
So they brought XP back and started selling people XP again and all that.
I suspect.. Microsoft, in 2013, early 2014 will try that again.
But what I think is gonna happen is that they're going to find customers for one are sticking with Windows 7 - you know, more power to them - and a lot more people using Linux and thin clients.
But not like the networked computers about a decade, 20 years ago.
Instead what we're gonna see is a lot of people moving more and more work onto the cloud, and those clouds are almost all gonna be powered by Linux - whether it's Open Stack, whether it's Amazon, whatever it's going to be.
I suspect what you're gonna see is a lot more people running.. it may very well turn out to be Google Chrome OS, it may be Android - I can see that happening, too - but the bottom line is you'll see more and more business people running some sort of thin OS on their laptop for next to no money.
The browser is gonna be their interface, and behind all that they'll be running their applications on clouds, they'll be keeping their data on clouds, and those clouds, though again, invisible to Joe End User and Jane End User are all going to have Linux at their base.
So, again, you'll see people saying "No, I don't run Linux" just like they do with Android phones now, but in reality they're going to be working every day with Linux.

[08:16] <TITLE>
"Tech Journalist Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols" fades into view along with the SlashdotTV logo bar reading "How as reporting on Linux changed in the last 10 years?"

Re:Transcript (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583607)

TL;DR, Too bad there isn't a video.

Re:Transcript (2)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#39583779)

Thank you very much sir! I was able to read that a whole lot faster than a video. And thank you for pointing out how I missed out on the annoying slashdot bars popping up and fading out of view. How irritating that would be.

Parallel processing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583639)

Try listening and reading at the same time! It's a blast...

It speaks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39583793)

It can talk!! Call me surprised.

I filed that guy... (0)

c0l0 (826165) | about 2 years ago | (#39583821)

...under "absolutely clueless" a few years ago. Can't remember the specifics as to why exactly I did right now - I think it was related to some inflammatory bullshit "articles" about GNU/Linux on CNet or something, but I have no reason to believe I misjudged him back then. So I'll pass.

Slashdot video (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39584139)

Um, I just realised that Slashdot displays video with Flash! And it starts with an advertisement too! What a low.

It's a video because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39585687)

... of the hordes of YouTube nuts who think that old == bad and video !> (better than -- I made this one up) text. The kind of folks who get a fixation with Python, Ruby, or Javascript and then wonder why they can't create executables for their applications. For whom anything but Web apps is obsolete. Who do research for their projects by tethering their notebook to their smartphone. Who communicate by texting, rather than by talking. Who want to share everythink on Facebook because it's cool, nevermind risking their chances of getting a job because of a stupid picture uploaded without thinking twice.

Steven J. Vaughn-Cut-and-Paste (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39585771)

There were some wonderfully brutal posts [fakesteve.net] about him in the Fake Steve Jobs blog.

I agree (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about 2 years ago | (#39586171)

About 14 years ago I told a close friend that one day Linux would rule the technology marketplace and Microsoft wasn't going to last. He didn't believe me.

Well, today, the first half of that is more or less true. Linux is in every set-top box out there, TVs, phones, and probably things I've not even heard of - and it's predominant in all those areas. Android sales are almost 60 times as high as Windows Phone sales. All this despite 12 years ago Linux being a marginal hobbyist and academic OS, with the most similar thing to the WinCE devices of the time being the Matchbox PC from Stanford labs.

Re:I agree (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39587111)

Yes, Linux is everywhere. It's just unfortunate that it happens to be through something as proprietary as Android. I feel very bad for all of us.

Re:I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39587799)

Well, today, the first half of that is more or less true. Linux is in every set-top box out there, TVs, phones, and probably things I've not even heard of - and it's predominant in all those areas.
Proving that the cheap drives out the good I guess.

Re:I agree (1)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | about 2 years ago | (#39593317)

Linux rules in places where the OS simply doesn't matter.

Android is all about the Java based API, they could run Android on BSD, or pretty much any OS and the apps would not be the wiser. That's hardly a win for Linux.

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