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Adobe Releases Last Linux Version of Flash Player

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the end-of-the-line dept.

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dartttt writes "Adobe has released Flash Player version 11.2 with many new features. This is the final Flash Player release for Linux platform and now onward there will be only security and bug fix updates. Last month Adobe announced that it is withdrawing Flash Player support for Linux platform. All the future newer Flash releases will be bundled with Google Chrome using its Pepper API and for everything else, 11.2 will be the last release."

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426 comments

Hulu Desktop? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533899)

I guess this means the end of Hulu Desktop for PCs and embedded devices? What a shame.... one of the few reasons I preferred Hulu to other content providers.

Re:Hulu Desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534197)

Fuck Hulu and the copyright horse they rode in on! They block access outside the country. You should never support people who do that kind of thing. You're aiding and abetting the corruption and balkanization of the internet.

Re:Hulu Desktop? (0, Offtopic)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534291)

Not for embedded. Linux is a bit disingenuous here. It means Linux / Mozilla plugin infrastructure / X11. Adobe will keep supporting Flash on Android, for example.

Re:Hulu Desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534347)

No they won't. That was killed too.

Re:Hulu Desktop? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534357)

Adobe will keep supporting Flash on Android, for example.

Not according to Adobe they won't...

http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html

Fcuk you Adobe (0, Flamebait)

karolbe (1661263) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533905)

We don't need yout stinky Flash!

Re:Fcuk you Adobe (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533921)

Fuck you, spelling!

We don't need you, stinky letters!

Next! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534173)

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, flash.

Herpes, you're out next!

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Why not ask your mom to buy you one?

Re:Fcuk you Adobe (2, Insightful)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534323)

We don't need a stinky user base!

Fixed it for you.

Re:Fcuk you Adobe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534421)

It's would seem that adobe themselves see no great future in Flash, after HTML5. Given firefox is going to soon suppoer h.264, I'm not entirely sure why I want flash (unless you play flash games, I guess).

Okay (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533907)

I'll return the favor, and dump you now, Adobe.

Good Riddance (5, Insightful)

Fireking300 (1852630) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533909)

I expect Flash to be phased out in favor of non-proprietary alternatives in the near future(3-4 Years).

Re:Good Riddance (5, Funny)

Elbereth (58257) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534185)

...but not on Slashdot, which just rolled out a Flash-based feature.

Re:Good Riddance (2)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534201)

About half of youtube works without Flash installed. Other video sites, not so much... blip.tv (which is the other one I use fairly regularly) has actually discontinued their html5 support in favour of going 100% flash.

Ultimately, my choice was between installing Flash and using the browser of my choice, or installing Chrome for Linux. I went with flash, but I am not happy with the decision. It's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Re:Good Riddance (4, Informative)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534255)

Vimeo works 100% without Flash, unlike YouTube.

Re:Good Riddance (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534301)

About half of youtube works without Flash installed

I've been using ClickToPlugin, which fetches the HTML5 version of YouTube videos for a while and I've not seen the Flash player for a good six months.

Re:Good Riddance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534215)

I expect Flash to be phased out in favor of non-proprietary alternatives

Such as HTML5 wrappers around the proprietary H264 codec? Fantastic.

Re:Good Riddance (1)

m0n (1272178) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534353)

I agree - I work in web advertisement (Click here to buy useless crap!) dpt for broadcast media and we've currently been in training to learn HTML5 and phasing out as much Flash elements as possible. So much more you can do for Mobile using HTML5.

Re:Good Riddance (5, Funny)

Nrrqshrr (1879148) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534235)

Am one of those guys who try to make a living out of flash games, and I can tell you that this isn't very good news for us. A couple of months ago, they withdrew flash support for mobile, and now for Linux.
it's like Adobe wants the death of flash.

Re:Good Riddance (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534389)

You of all people should have seen the writing on the wall years ago. You didn't even investigate technologies to enable porting to iPhone?

jedie (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533911)

fuck flash

Re:jedie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533979)

He's too fast for you... unless you're talking about Flash Gordon....

OS alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533913)

How close are we to an open source alternative that actually works for most flash tasks (in other words, that will let me reasonably use Kongregate and Youtube)?

Re:OS alternative? (3, Informative)

alexgieg (948359) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533961)

For YouTube, just enable the HTML5 experiment [youtube.com] . No Flash needed.

Re:OS alternative? (5, Informative)

meist3r (1061628) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533997)

This is not yet an alternative at least not for all users. I'm using Lubuntu and Chromium on a netbook and a very old PC and on both systems the playback with the HTML5 player is choppy and the sound recently stutters and lags. Up until about two weeks ago any version of Chrome and Chromium would simply crash all the video tab renderers on loading the YT HTML5 player. Also other sites like revision3.com won't even begin to display content in HTML5. There is some serious work to be done across platforms to make this a viable alternative. I've been begging for flash to die for years but if this is the near future I have to consider getting a windows install just to watch internet videos or (semi-legally) download even more video source files which is inconvenient.

Re:OS alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534073)

Just so. The HTML5 direction is great and all, but it's nowhere NEAR a replacement for Flash on the internet yet. Many sites don't even support it. Flash is still the only alternative for a great many sites, and even on Youtube where HTML5 is an option, it's not really ready for prime time yet.

This is bad news for Linux.

Re:OS alternative? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534103)

This is bad news for Linux.

Not it isn't. Apple have thrived without it for years, so will Linux (i.e. Android). Stop being a wet-blanket.

Re:OS alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534245)

Apple and Android has thrived without it (not really "without" for Android) for years because every second website now has an app. It's really annoying sometimes when the site greets you with something to the effect of "Our mobile version sucks! Go install our app!"

Compare and contrast to the bullshit "Everyone will just use the browser and HTML5 in our happy-happy future!"

Re:OS alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534315)

Well, I guess I don't get the grumbling because web sites on phones and small form factor slates just suck terribly. You want to click a link, but there are three of them stacked up and you want the middle one. Good fucking luck hitting it the first time with a finger or thumb (touch input). Sometimes you even zoom the thing up reasonably and still the damn thing won't hit the right one. Try using something like IMDb on a phone. The app rocks. The web site sucks. The difference is that the apps make use of the space and layout of a small form factor screen and the touch input that they support in a much better way. They don't expect precision input like web sites (which are designed for precision of a mouse or ergonomic mouse replacement).

Re:OS alternative? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534321)

so will Linux (i.e. Android)

Android is not losing Flash support, only desktop Linux / Mozilla / X11 is.

Re:OS alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534181)

I'm using Lubuntu and Chromium on a netbook and a very old PC and on both systems the playback with the HTML5 player is choppy and the sound recently stutters and lags. Up until about two weeks ago any version of Chrome and Chromium would simply crash all the video tab renderers on loading the YT HTML5 player. Also other sites like revision3.com won't even begin to display content in HTML5... I have to consider getting a windows install just to watch internet videos or (semi-legally) download even more video source files which is inconvenient.

Second World problems.

Re:OS alternative? (3, Informative)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534229)

Here's a link to a MPlayer YouTube script [multimedia.cx] which also allows playing on the fly. It uses youtube-dl as a helper to fetch the exact video location URL from which MPlayer starts buffering.

Now we just need a Firefox/Chrome extension to make a nicely clickable button which passes the browser URL to the script. One problematic thing here too is that while MPlayer can seek, it does seem to not know the length of the video, so I don't know the current position.

Antiquated storage (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534009)

One problem I've always had w/ Adobe Flash - regardless of platform - is that the storage that one can set aside for a downloading video is at the most 10MB, and after that, one's only choice is unlimited. There is no way I'm going to select unlimited, but in this age of TB of HDD and GB of RAM, it's really antiquated of Adobe to have nothing b/w 10MB and entire disk. Least I expect from this is to allow 1GB of HDD to be allowed, so that the downloads are faster.

I happen to use Safari/XP to watch YouTube, and the trouble w/ HTML5 is that if my DSL connection gets interrupted, which it frequently does, the video stops downloading, and only the portion that's been downloaded to that point keeps looping. This is a ridiculous behavior of the browser - for such things, it should either flush what's there and restart, or continue downloading from where it left off.

Re:OS alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534285)

Except that only works for some videos...and doesn't work for any video that has ads.

Re:OS alternative? (3, Informative)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534091)

How close are we to an open source alternative that actually works for most flash tasks ...

These work fine for what I do (Debian):

i browser-plugin-gnash - GNU Shockwave Flash (SWF) player - Plugin for Mozill
i A gnash - GNU Shockwave Flash (SWF) player
i A gnash-common - GNU Shockwave Flash (SWF) player - Common files/libr

I'll never forget... (4, Funny)

Zapotek (1032314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533917)

...where I was when I heard the news. So long...

and thanks for? (3, Funny)

s-whs (959229) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534231)

I'll never forget...
...where I was when I heard the news. So long...

and thanks for all the 100%-CPU-use times?

Google Chrome for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533925)

I guess people needing Flash whilst web browsing will need to use Chrome on machines that lack Flash.

Re:Google Chrome for Linux (5, Insightful)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534051)

All of my machines "lack" Flash, except the one built into Chrome. That includes my Mac and Windows machines, also, not just my Linux machine. Of course, I don't consider that to be a problem, it's deliberate.

How will this affect users? (4, Interesting)

steevven1 (1045978) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533927)

Will Linux users get totally screwed over by this over time, or are there plenty of alternative, non-Adobe plugins to display Flash? How big of a deal is this really? I'm a 100% Linux user, but I can't live without Flash in today's world, unfortunately.

Re:How will this affect users? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533977)

I'm a 100% Linux user and I never install Flash. Not even Gnash.

Re:How will this affect users? (2, Insightful)

hendridm (302246) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534061)

As much as I think Flash is *way* overused on the Internet, I would miss it. I watch some videos, though not that much - but when I want to it's nice to have. I also play online games to kill time which I don't NEED, but like. I generally hate Flash, but sometimes you need it. Fortunately, Chrome is an option.

Re:How will this affect users? (4, Insightful)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534213)

Fortunately, Chrome is an option.

Unfortunately, there's no other option. Even Chromium doesn't have native Flash support on Linux (about half of the videos on Youtube will gak saying that you support for the video format requested).

Re:How will this affect users? (2)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534247)

I use youtube-dl for most videos. It doesn't do streaming, but it doesn't need Flash!

Re:How will this affect users? (3, Insightful)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534059)

Honestly, it hasn't been that big a deal for a little while now. Like it or not, HTML5 is supplanting Flash in a lot of places.

Personally, I see this as less of a ding against Linux than an admission that Flash just isn't that important anymore.

Flash will diminish in importance, good for HTML5 (5, Interesting)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533935)

Flash won't be supported in Linux, and isn't supported on IOS. If anything this will be e good boost for HTML5

Re:Flash will diminish in importance, good for HTM (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534003)

Desktop Linux is not a large enough market to have any significant bearing on the importance of Flash.

Re:Flash will diminish in importance, good for HTM (2)

gQuigs (913879) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534105)

According to statcounter:
February 2012:
"iOS",1.89
"Linux",0.83

February 2011:
"Linux",0.76
"iOS",0.46

If iOS gets to have an effect, I don't see why desktop linux can't. In this case however, it seems like it would mostly hurt Firefox on Linux. But then again this is in 5 years. 5 years ago, there were a lot more sites with Quicktime, Realplayer, and Windows Media streaming. I barely see them at all today.

Re:Flash will diminish in importance, good for HTM (2, Insightful)

mysidia (191772) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534153)

If that's true, then why did Adobe create Flash for Linux in the first place?

Re:Flash will diminish in importance, good for HTM (1)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534367)

If that's true, then why did Adobe create Flash for Linux in the first place?

Sometimes people make thing for Linux without need for large profit. It's good PR and helps the community; However, for most people, when you do something for free and find the recipients to be largely rude and ungrateful, you stop doing it.

Time to celebrate... (5, Insightful)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533941)

Adobe kills Flash for Linux. - "This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who."

Re:Time to celebrate... (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534277)

The day it reads "Adobe kills Flash" I'll pop the champagne, "for Linux" just means support is going backwards for Linux. No matter how much you hate Flash the effect will be "That doesn't work on Linux/Firefox, use Windows/Chrome." because despite it being supported I bet once Flash 12 comes out most sites will reply "your version of flash is not supported, please upgrade" anyway. Anyone know if this support will be in Chromium too or if it's another Chrome-only feature like H.264?

Re:Time to celebrate... (1)

Jaktar (975138) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534339)

This post makes me want to
sing.....
sing.......
sing...........

Re:Time to celebrate... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534427)

Stop that!
Stop that!

You're not going to do a song while I'm here.

That didn't last long (0)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533949)

How many versions of flash had Linux releases? Maybe 10, 11, and 12? That hardly even qualifies as a token gesture in my view.

Re:That didn't last long (5, Informative)

GiMP (10923) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533989)

Actually, there was a Linux flash player since version 6... The support hasn't always been good or well-synced with the Windows/MacOS releases, but it has existed for quite a long time. 64-bit support has only been available since version 10 or so.

Re:That didn't last long (2)

Alan Shutko (5101) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533995)

It's at least been since Flash Player 9 in January 2007. [adobe.com] 5 years is more than a token gesture.

If Abobe won't support Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533951)

Then it's time for eminent domain over their imaginary property rights. Or at the very least, anonymously reversed engineered alternatives.

Re:If Abobe won't support Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534085)

Why the hell would you even want to spend resources to reverse engineer a piece of shit such as Flash ?
Just LET IT DIE. The more Flash is kept alive, the more those stupid Flash developers will continue to infect websites. Eradicate the disease at the source. Kill Flash, Ignore Flash but don't invest (in any kind of way) in it.

Re:If Abobe won't support Linux (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534161)

Why the hell would you even want to spend resources to reverse engineer a piece of shit such as Flash ?

Because the "POS" Flash is still better than the POS called "Java applets"

Re:If Abobe won't support Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534251)

Who even uses Java applets in this day and age ?
For Pete's sake not even my bank uses Java for home banking.
Applets and Flash belong to the past, you need to get on with the program mysidia.

Features (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#39533953)

I'm not sure this is actually a loss. I think it's probably a bonus that they'll only be doing fixes and not adding more features. The new features are not likely to be used and generally only end up adding more potential exploits.

Re:Features (3, Informative)

recrudescence (1383489) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534101)

If that's what they mean by "withdrawing support", then yes. But I don't think that's what they mean.
From TFA: "Adobe will continue to provide security updates to non-Pepper distributions of Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years from its release".
And then, nothing.

Re:Features (4, Insightful)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534263)

I don't think Adobe is expecting Flash to last that long. They're already releasing HTML5 authoring tools to prepare ground.

Yay! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533955)

Now for them to stop releasing it on windows and everything else!

So flash can GO AWAY. Bloated ass useless ad serving slow pos infecting the web and our hardware!

Re:Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534015)

I'm on windows and for the lat 4 years I haven't had flash installed.
No problem, good websites still work, youtube with the html 5 works although not for all videos.
Its good enough for me. Stupid websites that use flash as home page or worse that are designed 100% in flash were never visited even when I had flash installed.
Ok Adobe, when are you killing Flash on windows ? That would really be a good gesture. And as for the poor flash developers ? Who cares, go learn HTML 5 and design nice, browsable websites.

Re:Yay! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534063)

So ads will be served with JS, <canvas>, <video> and <audio>, that's all. You're conflating vehicle with contents.

BTW, which browsers allow blocking execution of just specific <script> elements on the page? I know for sure Opera can do that with user JS/extensions, FF's NoScript seems to be able too, but what about Chrome and IE?

P.S: I'm only wondering which will be the next biggest vector for malware in the future. My bet is on the pluggable DRM modules for audio/video, seems like The Media is pushing for it.

Re:Yay! (4, Insightful)

mrnobo1024 (464702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534157)

I used to think of Flash as a CPU hog, but it pales in comparison to Javascript/HTML5. Even simple 2D games in Javascript will run at about 3 frames per second despite constantly using 100% CPU, and they often hog memory too (which Flash has never been all that bad about in my experience, unless you leave a dozen YouTube tabs open or something).

Annoying ads won't go away just because Flash does; they'll move to HTML5 and will be just as annoying, more resource hungry, and harder to block (disabling Javascript everywhere makes the Web unusable; a whitelist system like NoScript is going to be a necessity).

Re:Yay! (1)

robmv (855035) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534377)

Some of those games are not using a newer API like requestAnimationFrame [mozilla.org] . After it is more widespread, currently Firefox and Chrome, I expect some limitations will be added to setTimeout

Linux is dead on the desktop. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533981)

I work for a small company that makes database visualization software. We looked at porting our package to Linux, and in the process we surveyed 75 randomly selected customers to get a picture of how much demand there would be for this product.

It turns out that non - ZERO - of them were using desktop Linux. Some had Linux servers, but there was not one single site we surveyed using Linux on the desktop. So, we dropped the plans for a Linux port like a hot potato.

It's no surprise to me that Adobe doesn't want to support a market that's no more than a rounding error. Ok, sure, there are 4 basement dwelling slashdot nerds using desktop Linux, but you don't matter. You four do not constitute a significant market.

Re:Linux is dead on the desktop. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534093)

> non - ZERO

sorry, should read "none - ZERO", not non.

Re:Linux is dead on the desktop. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534143)

Since you managed not to mention the actual database, you must be saying that Linux desktop users are not interested in a tool for use with SQL Server?

Surprise, surprise.

Re:Linux is dead on the desktop. (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534151)

They're called "other countries", and in some of them, desktop Linux use may not be a majority, but it's more than a rounding error.

Re:Linux is dead on the desktop. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534159)

A survey of 75 people is now the definitive way to determine OS usage? I hope that rock you are living under is nice a comfortable.

Re:Linux is dead on the desktop. (0)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534271)

It's no surprise to me that Adobe doesn't want to support a market that's no more than a rounding error. Ok, sure, there are 4 basement dwelling slashdot nerds using desktop Linux, but you don't matter. You four do not constitute a significant market.

I don't suppose it's ever occurred to you that whatever you choose to use on your box doesn't matter in the least to us? Whether you want or don't want to use Linux is utterly irrelevant to me. I don't care.

Enjoy your malware and exorbitant licensing costs. No, I don't want to fix it for you when it breaks.

Re:Linux is dead on the desktop. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534407)

No offense but, your potentional customer base that uses linux on the desktop, apart from being not interested in your windows-only solution, already use a full FOSS version of software with the same functionality.

Now please go away, MS marketing troll, with your made-up statistics. The 3 other nerds here in my basement agree.

Linux, not all computers guys... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39533991)

Reading through the comments here I see a trend. Adobe is giving up on Linux for now. It was Steve Jobs personal vendetta that kicked them off of Apple products for now. He is gone. Apple is already going against his wishes in several regards

I agree, this looks like Flash is on its way out. That is likely a good thing. However, it is too soon cheer yet. This is just McDonalds pulling out its branch at a vegan colony.

And not... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534013)

... a single f*** was given that day.

Time for a Linux - Apple alliance (3, Insightful)

recrudescence (1383489) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534025)

As a linux user hearing these news, I'm reluctantly joining hands with Apple in saying "Yeah? Well, screw you adobe. And screw you google. We can do better!"

yeah, go away flash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534041)

I want useless flashy gadgets in HTML5 so they're even slower and harder to disable!

Re:yeah, go away flash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534083)

I want useless flashy gadgets in HTML5 so they're even slower and harder to disable!

What is 'harder' about disabling javascript? Only garbage websites don't work properly without javascript (hello slashdot commenting system).

Re:yeah, go away flash! (1)

mrnobo1024 (464702) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534225)

Only garbage websites don't work properly without javascript

I agree. But unfortunately, Sturgeon's Law applies - 90% of websites are garbage, so if you want to use the web you'll have to go "dumpster diving" (enabling JS) a lot.

50 $ for flash support (1)

delete2kill (1449861) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534057)

adobe always charges 50$ for support over the phone for any problem with flash player on windows , but has never supported linux over the phone i used to work for them

Pepper API (4, Interesting)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534075)

Can't other browsers just adopt the Pepper API?

Re:Pepper API (3, Interesting)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534097)

Ok, to partly answer my own question, it seems Mozilla is not interested in adopting it [mozilla.org] .

the rise of Chrome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534127)

That's the rise of Chrome. The downfall of Mozilla, good bye Netscape!

Re:Pepper API (4, Insightful)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534257)

I think Mozillas stance on this Pepper/NaCL thing is quite bad founded. What Google have done is essentially to technicaly sandbox plugins (giving them about the same security as Javascript) and with that made a new and improved plugin API. This is not a bad thing. It of course might keep developers from HTML/JS and instead use C/C++/Any language you can think of. I really don't see how this is a bad thing either. It's pretty much proven by now that HTML/JS will never get native speeds, Chrome already have it. Compare Airmech on chrome with that mozilla MMORPG released this week and you will see for yourself. Airmech looks modern, the Mozzila game is a litte better than NES quality.

Re:Pepper API (5, Interesting)

robmv (855035) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534333)

The problem with pepper is that it is a code dump, now moved to the chromium repository, it isn't an spec, behaviour changes every time Google updates it. If Mozilla were to waste waste resources to allow more closed plugins infect the web at least gives them a spec, if every browser embed the same code, then why have different browsers?

This is the same reason why WebQL died as an standard, the spec said: must follow Sqlite version x.y as the SQL dialect., or something like that. Mozilla and Microsoft rejected that because it force an implementation

Re:Pepper API (1)

quetwo (1203948) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534343)

Yes, they can. And believe it or not, Mozilla was at the table creating the standard that became Pepper API. They just didn't want to implement it...

Value (5, Funny)

tessellated (265314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534115)

One of the top causes for my netbook's fan to become noisy.

And nothing of value was lost.

Just make HTML5 usable (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534293)

For video, it would help a lot if someone wrote a solid HTML5 player with the simple YUV overlay playback, just like the stand-alone video players, which are fast. Works on every PC.

Overly dramatic (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534311)

The news sound s a bit more dramatic than it is. Adobe is continuing to support Flash on Linux for the next five years. Plus any browser which implements the Pepper API will be able to run the newer versions of Flash (those that come after 11.2). This is really a big non-issue, at least for the next five years. By 2017 hopefully Firefox, Opera, etc will support Pepper.

Isn't this good for Gnash? (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534317)

Is there any reason the Gnash team cant step up and improve Gnash and make it as good as Flash? Or at least good enough that it can be a drop-in replacement for Flash?

Does Gnash support RTMPE streams? Maybe what is needed is a fork of Gnash (or a bolt-on for Gnash) hosted in a country without anti-circumvention laws that supports RTMPE and other flash DRM. (similar to how many projects have had and continue to have sites outside the US for the development and distribution of encryption software to avoid strong US export controls)

Bad Decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534319)

They think saving a few bucks from making a Linux version is a good idea? Developers use Linux. You piss off those people, and they make damn sure Flash gets replaced even sooner with HTML5 than expected.

Not really true.. (3, Insightful)

quetwo (1203948) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534331)

Adobe will continue to make new versions of the Flash Player that use the new PEPPAPI (Pepper API). They will no longer make any new versions of the plugin that support the older NSAPI model. PEPPAPI was created by Mozilla and Google, but since PEPPAPI was introduced, Mozilla decided to not support it ("it is too hard").

I was about to say to stop the bad summaries, but this is /. , and this is what we have come to expect.

GPL it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534341)

Perhaps they will GPL it and let the community maintain it?

Good riddance!!! (1)

wfstanle (1188751) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534387)

Adobe, your web programs (Flash and PDF Reader) have been a pox on computer users everywhere even if they are not aware of the risks. I hope you will entirely give up on the Internet and concentrate on software where they will do no harm. Better yet, just leave the business entirely.

Fuck adobe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39534401)

Adobe needs to get hacked, or let someone infiltrate them and steal all their flash-work. Then we can improve upon it ourselves. Don't release something and make people depend upon it, just to dump it in the river. You're begging for some trouble.

Full screen blocky with Intel GPUs (0)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39534439)

Hmm, while we are at the subject, I have a quick Windows Flash question. I have recently experienced an issue where with Intel chips (GMA950, X3100) on various machines, the full-screen video looks blocky (it's not anti-aliased but scaled using the nearest-neighbor algorithm). Do you know how to fix this? Is the problem in the display driver or the Flash plugin? The "Enable hardware acceleration" is ticked in Flash and tinkering with the system tray Intel GPU settings tool does not help either. The sites I experience this with are YouTube and areena.yle.fi (but probably applies to all video).
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