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Firefox Demos Prototype Metro Interface

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the still-not-completely-sold dept.

Firefox 197

In order to provide an alternative to IE on Windows 8, Firefox needs a Metro UI. Luckily, development of a Metro interface for Firefox is well underway. The current build reuses the Android interface XUL (by virtue of being based on Fennec). The latest test release features lots of platform integration support: "We have Metro snap working, you can snap another Metro app to the right or left of Firefox and continue browsing. We also have HTML file input controls tied up to the Metro file picker. ... implemented the Windows 8 search contract, you can use the Search Charm from any screen on Windows 8. If you enter a URL, it will be loaded. If you enter anything else, it will be searched in your default search engine. We also implemented the Windows 8 share contract, you can use the Share Charm from any Firefox page to share that page to another application. Once you select the Share Charm it will list the applications you can share to, for example: Mail, Twitter, or Facebook." If you're interested in following development, the team has made a Mercurial repository available.Further background is provided by the first and second posts in the series.

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Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554591)

Will Metro Firefox share information with desktop Firefox? Currently, Windows 8 has a Metro IE and a desktop IE that don't share cookies or bookmarks. It's pretty hilariously bad.

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554745)

Yeah.. it's terrible.. it's like it's still in development or something.

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554927)

Microsoft fans keep using this defense to justify everything wrong with the customer preview. They're not going to unify IE, the control panel, and all the other redundant thingsin time for October. Microsoft is full steam ahead on this trainwreck.

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39555131)

You do know there are thousands of developers working on the Windows platform. I'm pretty sure they can fix redundancies.

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (3, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555685)

You do know there are thousands of developers working on the Windows platform. I'm pretty sure they can fix redundancies.

That's brilliant, you have a wicked sense of irony!

It reminds me of the Vista Shutdown Menu story http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html [blogspot.com]

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (5, Insightful)

PNutts (199112) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555745)

So... This thread has four AC posts: Two complaining and two defending Microsoft. The post that points out Windows 8 is still in development (in response to a post about the current feature set) is modded Troll. Ah Slashdot, I remember when you were a semi-technical forum. At this point I'm thinking about getting a Facebook account. The worms will expose me to more technology than these threads.

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554761)

They do share bookmarks. But you have to type them as search terms in Metro IE because there's no bookmarks menu to navigate to.

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39556223)

Bookmarks menu? *pulls down futuristic shades* Where we're going we don't need... bookmarks menus.

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554783)

It's pretty hilariously bad.

Well, at least MS is being honest with their branding. Check out the new W8 flag - http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2012/02/17/redesigning-the-windows-logo.aspx [windowsteamblog.com] .

Compare it to this one - http://move.shetland.org/images/shetland-flag-thumb.jpg [shetland.org] .

That's right, they've chosen the Shetland Islands flag for their Shetland pony OS...

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39555241)

W8 ... Wait.

Re:Sharing data between Metro and desktop versions (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555571)

They have the ability to implement it, because it's a single process, and they are not restricted by app container sandbox even in Metro.

Firefox? With Windows?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554681)

My God! It's full of bloat!!!

Do not want (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554685)

I'll wait for Chrome or I'll just stick with Win7. Fuck IE and fuck Firefux.

And the march continues (0, Troll)

rudy_wayne (414635) | about 2 years ago | (#39554741)

In order to provide an alternative to IE on Windows 8, Firefox needs a Metro UI.

Right, because normal programs won't run on Windows 8.

What a bunch of morons. Every decision now seems to be driven by a philosophy of "Let's make Firefox worse!!"

Re:And the march continues (5, Informative)

armanox (826486) | about 2 years ago | (#39554797)

Well they won't on the ARM edition...

Re:And the march continues (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554857)

Windows 8 won't allow any browser to become the default unless it's accessible through the Metro UI. It's still the same firefox and can be accessed from the non-Metro interface too.

Re:And the march continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554931)

I think you may be mistaken. Windows 8 won't allow accessing the Metro version of IE 10 if another browser is set to default. Regular browsers can still be made default.

Re:And the march continues (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39555265)

Who the fuck marked this "interesting"? Clearly not anybody who has actually used Windows 8, because then those folks would know that "Windows 8 won't allow any browser to become the default unless it's accessible through the Metro UI" is absolutely fucking incorrect.

Re:And the march continues (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555575)

You're wrong. Windows 8 does allow any browser to become the default, same as before. The catch is that it has only one global (per-user) setting for "default browser" without separation into desktop and Metro. So, if you make some browser default, and that browser does not support Metro, then all URLs in Metro apps will open the desktop app, which is not very convenient - so if someone is heavily using Metro, they will likely only make browser default if it supports Metro.

Re:And the march continues (2)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555755)

the real problem being that there are two entirely separate use contexts in use at once whose only link is via what used to be the start menu. this asinine design is the root problem.

Re:And the march continues (1)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556217)

The failure of Win8 is gonna make Bob, Millenium, and Vista look like nothing. Firefox is doing this because they have to, though. I'm not sure even the yahoos in charge of FF's interface over the past few releases wanted things dumbed down to such a level as Metro.

Re:And the march continues (5, Insightful)

Dynedain (141758) | about 2 years ago | (#39554869)

In order to provide an alternative to IE on Windows 8, Firefox needs a Metro UI.

Right, because normal programs won't run on Windows 8.

Nice trolling.

Normal programs will run just fine in Desktop mode on Win8. However, if you want your program to be on the new default dashboard interface (Metro) then it has to be a Metro app. And since both IE and Chrome can appear there, it makes absolute sense that FF should have the feature included as well.

If you want to be a full replacement to IE, you need to be a full replacement to IE, and that means showing up in the system wherever IE can show up. If you actually RTFA, you'll see they're talking about hooking into Win8's built-in browser search and sharing hooks, as well as showing how easy it is to add a Metro interface to FF because of the already existing theming layer within FF.

Re:And the march continues (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 2 years ago | (#39554961)

I'm not sure the OP was trolling... it sounds more like sarcasm to me, but I like your response apart from that.

Re:And the march continues (1)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555179)

Oh I'm certain the GP was using sarcasm... which is why I interpreted it as trolling (looks like some mods agree with me). The GP was implying that FF did not need to implement a Metro interface because that continues in the tradition of "Let's make Firefox worse!!"

Re:And the march continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39555009)

I think hus/her sarcasm was pretty obvious and not trolling.

Re:And the march continues (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555193)

Don't they also need to be 'approved' by Microsoft? ( or is this no longer the case?) I was actually half expecting them to do what Apple does and block other browsers. The precedent seems to have been set.

Re:And the march continues (4, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555653)

Regular Metro apps can only be distributed via Windows Store, and, yes, that includes Apple-style app approval model (though it doesn't have some of the more nasty Apple rules, such as "no competing apps" - so other Metro-only browsers are fine).

That said, browsers are special-cased. More specifically, if a desktop application is installed and registers itself as a handler for http: URI schema, and the user selects that application as the default browser, then that app is given the opportunity to also provide a Metro version. Basically, it can provide a tile that appears in Metro home screen, can pin secondary tiles there (for bookmarks, web apps etc), and when launched, can detect if it's being launched from the tile or from an URL in another Metro app, and can decide whether to launch in desktop or Metro mode (e.g. IE10 has that as an option - always desktop / always Metro / same as invoker). This is called a "Metro style enabled Desktop Browser" - this document [microsoft.com] (.docx) covers the details.

Now, because this is still a desktop app, it is installed by usual means - an MSI or other kind of installer, or even just copy it over (so long as it can register itself to handle http:/// [http] URLs on launch or something). So, it's not subject to Windows Store app approval policy. It's also much less limited with respect to what it can do, compared to a Metro-only app - the sandbox mainly restricts it from doing stuff that only makes sense on the desktop when it's in Metro mode, but otherwise it has same permissions as a desktop app. This means that they can JIT-compile code - kinda important for JS - and share bookmarks and history with desktop.

Re:And the march continues (4, Insightful)

narcc (412956) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556481)

Regular Metro apps can only be distributed via Windows Store

That is horrifying.

Re:And the march continues (4, Informative)

Phroggy (441) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555901)

Don't they also need to be 'approved' by Microsoft? ( or is this no longer the case?) I was actually half expecting them to do what Apple does and block other browsers. The precedent seems to have been set.

Microsoft has actually been behaving themselves recently. They offered assistance to the Mozilla folks to make sure Firefox would be supported on Windows Vista, they moved Windows Update into the control panel so you no longer need to browse to a web site in IE to update your OS, and Windows 7 gives you the option to remove Internet Explorer (although the rendering engine is still there, since lots of apps rely on it). Each version of IE since IE7 has been less awful, and when they wanted to add an RSS reader (which Firefox already had), they actually flew down to Mozilla headquarters to discuss using Firefox's RSS icon in IE because they figured it would cause less confusion for users if they cooperated. Microsoft refused to participate in WHATWG while HTML5 was being developed, but once W3C officially adopted HTML5, Microsoft got on board.

Does IE still suck? Hell yes, but it sucks a lot less than it used to, and Microsoft is playing by the rules now.

Re:And the march continues (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555583)

And since both IE and Chrome can appear there

Does Chrome have a Metro version already? Where can I get that?

Re:And the march continues (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556187)

Re:And the march continues (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556207)

Interesting. I wonder if they keep Flash support (hybrid Metro/desktop apps are not sandboxed, so it can likely be done with existing Flash code). If yes, they would have a killer feature right there.

Re:And the march continues (1)

javascriptjunkie (2591449) | about 2 years ago | (#39554917)

Sure does seem like that, doesn't it. There was a reason I switched to Chrome as my surfing browser. What concerns me more about what this whole thing says about the open and free nature of Firefox. You know you can't publish anything for Metro without Microsoft's express consent, right? I'm not saying the M wouldn't approve it, but even if it did; especially if it did, you would be installing yet another piece of Microsoft approved software on your desktop. Think about that for a minute. If you're in the business of using Microsoft approved browsers to begin with, why would you care that Firefox even exists in the first place. Answer? You wouldn't.

Windows 8 runs just fine with regular Windows apps. I'm using it at home as my main OS because Ubuntu shit on itself, and Mac OSX won't install with my video card. Even though I have Windows 8, I'm really not enjoying Metro. I have yet to see a compelling need or app for it. I spend most of my time in Desktop mode because it works better. It's pretty much identical to Windows 7, with a much improved start menu system. That I like. I just think Metro, and Firefox are for the birds. That's all.

Re:And the march continues (2)

rudy_wayne (414635) | about 2 years ago | (#39555067)

Sure does seem like that, doesn't it. There was a reason I switched to Chrome as my surfing browser.

But that's the problem. I've used Chrome and it's just not as good as Firefox. As much as Firefox pisses me off with all the incredibly bad design decisions they've made, Chrome has too many things that don't work as well as Firefox, or don't exist at all.

Re:And the march continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39555261)

Chrome. Which is working on a metro interface. Yeah. So Firefox is bad for working on a metro version, but Chrome is the bee's knees.

Re:And the march continues (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555659)

You know you can't publish anything for Metro without Microsoft's express consent, right? I

Hybrid desktop/Metro browsers are an exception to that rule - they can be installed from regular installers outside the store, and don't require approval. I've described that in more detail in my post above [slashdot.org] .

Re:And the march continues (2, Funny)

PNutts (199112) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555773)

Hybrid desktop/Metro browsers

If an app goes both ways does that make it Metrosexual?

Re:And the march continues (-1, Troll)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555325)

You seem to think that the Desktop paradigm will survive the RTM.

It won't.

There are two competing GUI paradigms on the same OS, which seemingly swap in and out on a random basis. This is UI nightmare territory. Removing the Desktop paradigm is better than having both. You know it's true. Microsoft has even removed the Registry entry that allows you to turn off Metro in Consumer Preview.

Metro is "not finished" because it hasn't taken over the entire OS. There is still time for it to do so, and Microsoft very well may push back the release date to make sure the Desktop paradigm is dead.

Having Firefox with a Metro interface is a *requirement* of going forward. Without it, Firefox is dead on 8.

Have fun with Metro, Windows guys.

--
BMO

Re:And the march continues (4, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555555)

You seem to think that the Desktop paradigm will survive the RTM.

It won't.

.....

Have fun with Metro, Windows guys.

--
BMO

It will. Microsoft will not make existing apps incompatible with Windows 8.

Stop spewing lame FUD.

Re:And the march continues (-1, Troll)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555777)

Then be resigned to stupid UI decisions that make your less computer-savvy friends always ask you the same dumb questions to which you'll have to always ask "is this in metro or is this on the desktop" and they'll say "huh?" Microsoft has always made big claims about consistency of UI, and if they leave the desktop paradigm in with Metro, they'll be making their own biggest cardinal sin.

The desktop paradigm is dead. Microsoft smote the ground and declared it thus with Metro.

--
BMO

Re:And the march continues (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555933)

Then be resigned to stupid UI decisions that make your less computer-savvy friends always ask you the same dumb questions to which you'll have to always ask "is this in metro or is this on the desktop" and they'll say "huh?" Microsoft has always made big claims about consistency of UI, and if they leave the desktop paradigm in with Metro, they'll be making their own biggest cardinal sin.

The desktop paradigm is dead. Microsoft smote the ground and declared it thus with Metro.

--
BMO

Okay whatever, you are entitled to your opinion, however lame or dumb it may be, but don't go spreading canards that the Desktop is going away for RTM.

Re:And the march continues (0)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556043)

Just how much ZaRex do you have to drink (it wasn't Kool Aid they drank in Jonestown) to believe that dueling GUIs on the same computer is not a colossally stupid idea?

--
BMO

Re:And the march continues (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556125)

Two GUIs enter!

One GUI leaves!

Re:And the march continues (0)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556451)

Just how much ZaRex do you have to drink (it wasn't Kool Aid they drank in Jonestown) to believe that dueling GUIs on the same computer is not a colossally stupid idea?

You mean a dumb idea like how some of us have both Gnome and KDE installed and can switch between them at boot-up? [brighthub.com]

Re:And the march continues (0)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556581)

No.

Switch between them *during the same session*

You have obviously not used the Consumer Preview. Go get it, install, and /use/ it.

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BMO

Re:And the march continues (-1, Troll)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555841)

Furthermore, I have a question.

I doubt you will answer it seeing as you are a "paided" poster.

Why does Metro make you guys so defensive? Isn't it supposed to be superior to the Desktop? Isn't it the latest and greatest from Microsoft? Wouldn't you /rather/ have such a superior interface take over as the premier interface of all operating systems ever?

As a Windows booster, you must think that Metro is the cat's balls.

Well....

Isn't it?

--
BMO

Re:And the march continues (2)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555919)

Furthermore, I have a question.

I doubt you will answer it seeing as you are a "paided" poster.

Why does Metro make you guys so defensive? Isn't it supposed to be superior to the Desktop? Isn't it the latest and greatest from Microsoft? Wouldn't you /rather/ have such a superior interface take over as the premier interface of all operating systems ever?

As a Windows booster, you must think that Metro is the cat's balls.

Well....

Isn't it?

--
BMO

WTF is a "paided" poster? At least get your grammar right.

Metro is good for things like browsers and casual consumer apps and is perfect for something like a portable tablet., but is unsuitable for many productivity apps like Photoshop, AutoCad, Office or Visual Studio, thus the Desktop lives on.

Re:And the march continues (1, Troll)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556025)

WTF is a "paided" poster? At least get your grammar right.

I put it in quotes because it is internet slang for shill.

Metro is good for things like browsers and casual consumer apps and is perfect for something like a portable tablet., but is unsuitable for many productivity apps like Photoshop, AutoCad, Office or Visual Studio, thus the Desktop lives on.

Then why did Microsoft remove the ability to turn off Metro? You know, for people who sit at a desk and do work.

Explain. Give examples.

--
BMO

Re:And the march continues (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556157)

I am sorry, I'm neither a shill nor paid. There seem to be a lot of zealots on this site though....

>Then why did Microsoft remove the ability to turn off Metro? You know, for people who sit at a desk and do work.

You make it sound as if they removed the desktop apps. You can still use all the deskop apps and use the start screen instead of the start menu.

Anyway here's the long answer from Paul Thurrott:

. Microsoft could simply have made a Windows 8 that was to Windows 7 as Windows 7 was to Windows Vista; that is, an evolution. And Microsoft could have adapted Windows Phone to work on tablets, following the strategies of both Apple and Google. Certainly, many within Microsoft wanted the company to do just that.

In such a scenario, I personally see Windows on a slow, gradual decline. And I see the very real possibility--almost a certainty, really--that this Windows Phone tablet system follows in the footsteps of Zune and makes absolutely no dent at all. It is like Windows Phone: Technically excellent, highly usable, and utterly ignored. And when you combine that failure with the slow decline of Windows, you get a steep, steep decline for Windows in the overall market for general purpose computing. In other words, a disaster. A disaster that would make people pine for the comparatively stable days of Windows Vista.

Of course, Microsoft is not doing that. They are not going towards certain failure but are instead making a big bet--A. Big. Bet.--on something that is unknown and unproven and not necessarily destined for success. But in making this big bet, Microsoft is, I think, doing the right thing. Not in the details, necessarily, but in the broad strokes.

Re:And the march continues (0, Troll)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556209)

You make it sound as if they removed the desktop apps. You can still use all the deskop apps and use the start screen instead of the start menu.

Metro is not merely the start screen. Metro is an entirely different paradigm for using a computer. For you to say that it's merely the replacement for the start button is to be intellectually dishonest, and frankly, misrepresenting what your employer has created.

The removal of the Registry key that toggles Metro is evidence of where Microsoft is headed with Metro. If they truly wanted to leave it up to the user whether to use Metro or not, they could have left the registry key there. It's not like it was doing any harm. You could set the flag on the registry key and, as a desktop user, be totally content in a blissful state of pure desktop.

But no, they had to remove it. Why? To force Metro. There really is no other explanation. If you have one that makes an iota of sense, I'd like to hear it.

>Paul Therroutt

He is indeed correct on that last paragraph. Microsoft is doubling down on Metro, and if you fail to see that then you are blind.

--
BMO

Re:And the march continues (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556293)

...frankly, misrepresenting what your employer has created.

I was trying to have a civil conversation with you and I am actually in agreement with some of your post (the very reason I pasted Paul's comment here).. but I find your accusations sickening. The only time I was in Seattle was to interview for Amazon for a Linux position and even attended a live Stallman talk, but dumbass anti-MS zealots like you can't even see past your fucking nose and instead hurl accusations of shilling. Fuck you and to hell with you and your types. Go back to Groklaw and Techrights. I am sick of this bullshit.

Re:And the march continues (-1, Troll)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556319)

>Implying you have to be in Seattle to be an employee of Microsoft

Do you honestly think I fell off the kielbasa wagon yesterday?

>implying that Groklaw is bad
>implying that Groklaw was ever wrong about any of this.

Groklaw had shown a light upon the idiocy that was SCO vs World+Dog, and the only people, to date, who are anti-Groklaw are people like Florian Meuller who says shit like this:

The net effect of that big brainwashing effort is that some of the more credulous and less informed people now distrust a very smart analyst like Rob Enderle, very smart journalists like Maureen O'Gara and Dan Lyons, or a very smart author like Ed Bott, only because they comment on certain issues with greater sanity than Groklaw.

When confronted about who pays Florian's bills, he dodged and weaved said it was off topic on LWN.

>Trying to use Groklaw as an insult

Sorry, you're going to have to try harder.

--
BMO

Re:And the march continues (1)

humanrev (2606607) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556371)

As an impartial observer, I think you're being a fucking idio bmo. You seem to believe that NO-ONE could like Metro, and that anyone who apparently does must be affiliated with Microsoft. As if people can't have differing opinions.

I've seen the same issue time and time again with Linux zealots. If you happen to explain why you like Windows 7, they'll call you a shill because NO-ONE could possibly like Windows at all, could they? They just cannot comprehend this idea, and I was lead to believe Linux users are smarter than regular folk, but some of them have their heads so far up their asses they don't like admitting some people have opinions that are different... without being malicious.

Oh Slashdot, no wonder you're the joke of the tech world.

Re:And the march continues (0, Troll)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556501)

You seem to believe that NO-ONE could like Metro,

I have yet to see anyone who does not have a vested interest in Metro like it.

It used to be that I could easily troll (is it really a troll if I honestly believe it's the case?) dozens of people by stating that Metro is going to take over the desktop. Many vibrating with visible anger. These days, not so much, because many people have moved on from anger and denial to acceptance. Because both you and I know that Microsoft can force whatever UI they want and people will eat it up, because when all you've ever had is a shit sandwich, you think all sandwiches contain shit.

>Windows 7

Windows 7 actually doesn't suck. It's what Vista should have been. Its throughput for nontrivial amounts of files /does/ suck, but as a run-of-the-mill OS, it's not 'orrible, guvnuh.

Metro, paired with the traditional desktop, switching in and out seemingly at random depending on what kind of application you're running, is a real 'orrorshow.

And that's what you guys keep glossing over. Having both GUIs on the same machine violates everything both Microsoft and Apple have said about consistency of UI.

The only solution is to get rid of one or the other.

That means that the Desktop needs to go. Microsoft is /not/ backing down from Metro. Even though Metro sucks on the desktop for anyone who has actually tried it.

>implying I'm a joke of the tech world

As if I care. There are actual jokes of the tech world, and they are Ed Bott, Robert Enderle of the Enderle Group (of one), Maureen O'Gargle (was that her ice in her highball I heard clink during a SCO phone call?) etc, ad nauseam. And they are all violently pro-Microsoft. The only journalist that covers Microsoft that has a shred of integrity is Mary Jo Foley. She really does make Ed Bott look like the utter douche he is.

By the way, there's only one person who has ever said this to me on here, and he happens to be my "anonymous stalker"

Hi anonymous stalker. You forgot to logout. Eat a bag of dicks.

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BMO

Re:And the march continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39556407)

I find it very interesting that anyone who questions how PJ gets paid or if even a real person instead of a pseudonym for IBM/Google lawyers is thoroughly bashed to death, but it's open season on any other commenter.

Re:And the march continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39556447)

>>"For you to say that it's merely the replacement for the start button is to be intellectually dishonest, and frankly, misrepresenting what your employer has created."

Well, at least he has a well paying job, instead of being a smelly fat nerd still living in their parent's basement like you seem to be.

Re:And the march continues (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556185)

"What a bunch of morons. Every decision now seems to be driven by a philosophy of "Let's make Firefox worse!!"

They are making it for what they want. They give not a partial fuck about what you or I want.

Why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554759)

Why would you do this terrible thing.

Re:Why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554821)

To stay relevant in the browser market i guess... so it's a good move for firefox, a bad move for me. i so do not want that metro stuff

Re:Why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39555027)

Windows 8 won't allow any browser to become the default unless it's accessible through the Metro UI. It's still the same firefox and can be accessed from the non-Metro interface too. Random sentence needed because I already had to post this reply.

Re:Why (1)

PNutts (199112) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555785)

Ummm... You were wrong the first time, too.

Plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554845)

Get it half finished. Deploy it suddenly. Ignore complaints. Take 4-5 releases to get it feature complete. Discover why it sucks. Adopt a new paradigm based on voice.

Re:Plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39555057)

Get it half finished. Deploy it suddenly. Ignore complaints. Take 4-5 releases to get it feature complete. Discover why it sucks. Adopt a new paradigm based on voice.

Did you post to the wrong thread? This one isn't about iOS and Siri.

I wish they wouldn't (0)

javascriptjunkie (2591449) | about 2 years ago | (#39554865)

I find Metro to be counter productive, distracting, and unfriendly. Why are they doing anything with Metro?

Re:I wish they wouldn't (5, Insightful)

Shados (741919) | about 2 years ago | (#39554977)

Because a normal desktop UI doesnt work so hot on a tablet, which in the future are bound to replace a big portion of the desktop market. Hybrids (like the Transformer Prime), with a 2 mode tablet/desktop interface, like Windows 8, could seriously replace lap-tops for everyone except serious developers and graphic designers/3d artists/CAD/etc that need a lot of horse power.

Sticking to desktop-only UI would be suicide for Microsoft. Metro works quite fine if you look at it from a tablet point of view.

Re:I wish they wouldn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39555609)

Shame that they're forcing it on all those desktop users where it works about as well as dog shit.

Re:I wish they wouldn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39556589)

Shame that they're forcing it on all those desktop users where it works about as well as dog shit.

Yeah, but making desktops suck is much easier than making tablets good.

I'll let you in a secret: this is all a plan of FreeBSD to take over Windows and Linux' marketshare. What is more likely, that both Microsoft and Canonical decided to create the worst UI possible or that they are nothing but pawns in a neckbeard's game?

Re:I wish they wouldn't (2)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555917)

which would be fine if it was a selectable option in the control panel or install time. tablet interfaces suck with a keyboard/mouse, whether it's a powerful cadstation or a student's school computer.

Re:I wish they wouldn't (2)

WaffleMonster (969671) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556251)

Because a normal desktop UI doesnt work so hot on a tablet, which in the future are bound to replace a big portion of the desktop market.

Replacing the desktop is like end times prophecy. We've been hearing drumbeats of marketeers with their death to * predictions since the dawn of civilization yet >1bn PCs are still here.

Re:I wish they wouldn't (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 2 years ago | (#39555031)

I find Metro to be counter productive, distracting, and unfriendly. Why are they doing anything with Metro?

I guess because they neglected to consult with you beforehand?

Re:I wish they wouldn't (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555673)

Desktop version of Firefox is not going away.

As for your question, it's answered right there in TFA:

If a browser is awesome on Metro, the only way to use this awesome browser in Metro is for it to become the default. If a browser is default on Metro, it will also be default on the Desktop.

If a browser does not support Metro, it is seriously at risk of losing the default browser status, and therefore significant market share. A browser without support for Metro, if default, would be taking away a Metro browser completely from the user's computer.

Even if a user spends most of their time in the Desktop interface, having a really good Metro browser may be enough for the user to change their default browser. A browser with great Metro support can gain significant browser market share for this reason.

It is extremely important that we deliver an awesome Firefox experience on Metro, one that is tightly integrated with the platform, fast, and feature rich. Windows is by far the platform with the most users and which has the biggest effect on market share.

Don't like it so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554933)

I've only seen videos of how Windows 8 and Metro work, but have to say to looks awful so far. Windows 7 and XP are the only interfaces I can bare to use for any extended period of time (can't stand OS X, Gnome, KDE, etc). What is going to be the alternative for people like me who like the WIMP model in a desktop OS?

Re:Don't like it so far (2)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | about 2 years ago | (#39555063)

What is going to be the alternative for people like me who like the WIMP model in a desktop OS?

Work really hard so you can retire before Windows 7 goes EOL.

Re:Don't like it so far (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556039)

Fortunately I'm old enough so this is a realistic goal.

Re:Don't like it so far (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555279)

By the time Win7 reaches EOL, perhaps ReactOS will have had a 1.0 release!

Re:Don't like it so far (1)

Truekaiser (724672) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556497)

and still have less then 1/3 the hardware compatibility of linux or bsd.

Microsoft Mobile Desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39554967)

Irony at its best.

Since windows mobile failed to sell in numbers, now they bring it to the desktop.

Will OEM's ship Windows with desktop as default or Metro as default? Will be interesting to see. Most likely MS "encouraged" them to not ship desktop as default mode, especially the big name shelf OEM's.

Re:Microsoft Mobile Desktop (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555691)

Will OEM's ship Windows with desktop as default or Metro as default?

It's not an option you can switch. When you boot into Win8, you end up in the Metro home screen, period.

Re:Microsoft Mobile Desktop (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556057)

Metro = Revenge of Bob.

You heard it first on Slashdot.

Why? (1)

TechNit (448230) | about 2 years ago | (#39555107)

Friends don't let friends use IE....

Re:Why? (1)

TechNit (448230) | about 2 years ago | (#39555125)

And real friends don't let friends use METRO!!

Re:Why? (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555769)

And real friends don't let friends use METRO!!

Why?

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556013)

because desktop computers != tablets.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39556211)

Wouldn't you give a friend a lift?

Dead language? (0)

wbr1 (2538558) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555169)

Isnt coding apps for a dead OS like Win 8 a bit like writing sci-fi in latin? Only it makes even less sense.

Re:Dead language? (1)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556009)

A dead OS with 85% desktop market share??? Tablets and other mobile computing devices may make it far less dominant, maybe even eventually make it irrelevant, but we're a long way from irrelevance, and it's definitely not dead yet.

Re:Dead language? (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556321)

Maybe not a "Dead OS". An OS with a gun pointed at its temple, a finger on the trigger, and a bullet in one of the 6 chambers.

Re:Dead language? (1)

Haxagon (2454432) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556359)

Yes, bastion of intellect, coding applications for an unreleased version of the most popular consumer Operating System is the dumbest idea.

I like the "Early Tile Design" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39555275)

To be honest, I was expecting the Opera logo.

Slashdot Screenshot (2, Funny)

Bucky24 (1943328) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555287)

Anyone else notice that in one of the screenshots of the new interface the browser is showing slashdot?

(You'll have to read TFA to see it though)

This stupid society thing needs to stop. NOW. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39555335)

These user interfaces and trends I'm seeing are so fucking dumb it makes me want to puke.

Not because of what the user interfaces are (though they're downright hideous and borderline unusable, if not woefully unproductive to use), but because of what this new mentality represents.

We've gone from a society of "You're not fucking good enough, go learn something and get better at it" to "It's OK to be stupid, you don't need to know how this works to use it". We've all been equipped with this marvellous organ called a BRAIN, and it is capable of LEARNING. Yet these big fucking corporations are effectively telling us that we don't need to use our brains anymore- because they're going to give us user interfaces and computers so simple an ape could run them. They've done all the thinking ON YOUR BEHALF, and if you actually think you might want to think for yourself for a change- you can't anymore, because they've eliminated all the options and settings that any reasonable device should ship with.

News flash, using computing equipment is not a right.

It's a fucking privilege, one that you earn by KNOWING WHAT YOU ARE DOING first.

This bullshit where we need to target the idiots of the idiots and make products for THEM rather then the users who know how to actually do shit needs to stop. We are not all "big babies", we don't need these fucking Fischer Price user interfaces to get shit done. We're grown adults.

If you don't want to use your brain and figure out how to use a computer (god forbid you should actually learn something), then fuck you. And fuck the corporations who think you're suddenly this untapped user base just waiting to be exploited, because now I'm going to suffer for your goddam stupidity.

-AC

Re:This stupid society thing needs to stop. NOW. (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555663)

If your going to have a hissy fit why don't you develop an interface that does the the things you are bitching about?

Re:This stupid society thing needs to stop. NOW. (1)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555957)

tha'ts just it, he's not just talking about gui design, but its larger implications. one person cannot possibly make inroads on a society-wide problem covering whole cross sections of different contexts..

Re:This stupid society thing needs to stop. NOW. (2)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555735)

We've gone from a society of "You're not fucking good enough, go learn something and get better at it" to "It's OK to be stupid, you don't need to know how this works to use it". We've all been equipped with this marvellous organ called a BRAIN, and it is capable of LEARNING. Yet these big fucking corporations are effectively telling us that we don't need to use our brains anymore- because they're going to give us user interfaces and computers so simple an ape could run them. They've done all the thinking ON YOUR BEHALF, and if you actually think you might want to think for yourself for a change- you can't anymore, because they've eliminated all the options and settings that any reasonable device should ship with.

You know what really irks me? Software. It's like these corporations are telling me that I don't have the BRAIN to program my own machine. People these days are so fucking lazy! Whenever they want something done on their PC, they just look for some software that SOMEONE ELSE wrote, whose done all the THINKING and LEARNING for them. The end result? We get these bloated, rigid messes known as "graphical user interfaces", extremely limited customisation, and huge lags in computer speeds. All because people's time is too "precious". Less precious than their own brain development apparently.

Goddamn right that using computing equipment is not a right. Only the people who earned their chops, like in the computing's very earliest of days, should be allowed to use them. They're the ones who know what they're doing. They'd be disgusted with 99.99% of the people who use computers these days.

Re:This stupid society thing needs to stop. NOW. (1)

PNutts (199112) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555881)

You need to separate the tool from the task. Let's see.. Car analogy... Car analogy... OK. It's great that you know when you press on the accelerator it pulls a wire where the other end is connected to a carburetor which changes the fuel/air mixture (fuel that's from the gas tank that is typically located apart from the engine for safety because fuel is flammable) on it's way into the intake manifold and then the cylinder which blah blah blah... However, some folks just want to mash the thing on the floor and go faster. It doesn't make them "idiots". You are both in a car (tool) going somewhere to do something (task) and the fact that one of you is more likely to hit a tree is irrelevant.

Fishy (1)

theswimmingbird (1746180) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555573)

I knew it was all going downhill when I tested the developer preview and my boot screen was a fish.

I'm pretty sure I don't need this (3, Interesting)

cvtan (752695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39555697)

I'm almost certain I don't want to use anything that has a "Share Charm".

Re:I'm pretty sure I don't need this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39556003)

What about a pussy charm?

Re:I'm pretty sure I don't need this (1)

pidge-nz (603614) | more than 2 years ago | (#39556383)

"Charms" eh? I've seen enough roleplaying to know where this is going...

Watch the Linux and Unix support rot away (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39555701)

...now that they're into the very latest Windows gadgetry.

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