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NBC Apologizes For Editing Zimmerman 911 Call

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the our-bad dept.

The Media 1005

Hugh Pickens writes "The Washington Post reports that NBC has completed its investigation into the Today show's mishandling of the police dispatcher's conversation with George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case with a finding of error, plus an apology. The apology addresses the show's failure to accurately abridge the conversation between Zimmerman and the dispatcher in this high-profile case. This is how the program portrayed a segment of that conversation: Zimmerman: 'This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black' Here what was actually said: Zimmerman: 'This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.' Dispatcher: 'OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?' Zimmerman: 'He looks black.' In an appearance on Fox News's Hannity, Brent Bozell, president of the conservative Media Research Center, called this omission on the part of Today an 'all-out falsehood' — not just a distortion or misrepresentation. 'On the good front, [NBC] acknowledges the mistake and apologizes to viewers for the bad editing. It's a forthright correction and spares us any excuses about the faulty portrayal. On the bad front, the statement is skimpy on the details on just how the mistake unfolded,' writes Erik Wemple. 'In light of all that's happened, Zimmerman may be a tough person for a news network to apologize to, but that's just the point: Apologies are hard.'"

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Error My Ass (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575227)

Some stupid moron in the editing room or a producer did it on purpose. At least they didn't strap a bomb to him and blow him up like they did the cars.

Re:Error My Ass (0, Flamebait)

techsoldaten (309296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575267)

I always marvel at the calm, reasoned tone ACs approach situations with, and the perspective their comments can lend an otherwise troubling issue.

Re:Error My Ass (5, Insightful)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575383)

On the other hand, there is always a kernel of truth in their rantings.

To think that this very specific editing was an accident is a fools errand. Especially in light of NBCs previous, Ends Justifies the Means reporting tactics.

Re:Error My Ass (3, Insightful)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575781)

True though... seeing the whole quote doesn't help much in my mind. Walking around aimlessly? Really? thats why you called 911? Because a guy is walking around aimlessly?

Fuck... I would hate to have lived anywhere near this guy when I was younger and used to, from time to time, just go for an aimless walk through the city in the middle of the night. Even if he was high...so fucking what.

Ok hes may not be openly racist per se.... but he is clearly LOOKING to cause trouble for someone. Whatever happened, there is no doubt in my mind that he, at least, instigated it.

Re:Error My Ass (4, Insightful)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575885)

I seem to remember that there is a legal principal that states if you initiate a chain of events that results in harm to someone, then you can be held liable, criminally or civilly. Clearly, Zimmerman getting out of the car is what started this chain of events.

I won't say he's a murder or not...not my call...that's for a jury.

Re:Error My Ass (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575677)

While I share your sentiments regarding the impassive logic displayed by all ACs on slashdot, I would like to take this opportunity to question your expertise concerning this matter.

I'll fuck you in the ass in front of everybody. You bitch.... come on, you bitch. You're scared coward, you're not man enough to fuck with me. You can't last two minutes in my world, bitch. Look at you scared now, you ho.... scared like a little white pussy. Scared of the real man. I'll fuck you 'til you love me, faggot!

Re:Error My Ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575811)

I always marvel at the ACs perspective.

This quote of you brought to you by sensationalist media one unmanship.

Re:Error My Ass (0, Flamebait)

Myopic (18616) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575435)

I agree. This is an inexcusable instance of media bias, a plain example of stripping context out of a story for spin.

Zimmerman is still a murderer, though. You don't get to claim self defense when you started the fight. If you hunt down and kill an unarmed child, you can expect to be tried for murder.

Re:Error My Ass (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575581)

he didn't start the fight.. according to him and corroborated by witnesses, he was walking back to his car when trayvon confronted him and attacked him. all the evidence points to trayvon being the aggressor.

also, everyone keeps calling trayvon an unarmed child, but when a 160+ pound man -- and a 17 year old is a man -- is sitting on top of you smashing your head into the pavement, that's deadly force and it's entirely appropriate to respond in kind.

also your name is entirely apropos.

Re:Error My Ass (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575891)

There is plenty of evidence that damn near proves that Zimmerman did NOT suffer any substantial injury. Where are you getting your data? If Trayvon had simply lunged at Zimmeran and started beating him mercilessly with deadly force, sure... you'd have a point. That doesn't seem to be what happened though.

Re:Error My Ass (5, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575893)

also, everyone keeps calling trayvon an unarmed child, but when a 160+ pound man -- and a 17 year old is a man ...

People assume he is a child because of ... more media bias. Despite the fact that he was 17, nearly every media source used a five year old picture of him when he was twelve.

Re:Error My Ass (5, Insightful)

Artraze (600366) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575595)

> Zimmerman is still a murderer, though.

I'm not going to defend the man, but don't you think it's just a _little_ ironic that you would state that with certainty in a story about how the "facts" we get can be so blatantly distorted? There are reasons for presumed innocence and a formal trial, and this is one of them.

Re:Error My Ass (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575751)

It's amazing that despite the fact that the media has intentionally and willfully distorted the facts surrounding this case there are still people who stand by their ill-informed decision to immediately convict the suspect.

The presumption of innocence is extremely important, and it's frightening that everyone is so quick to throw that concept out of the window. Even commenters here on Slashdot are doing it.

Re:Error My Ass (2)

SaroDarksbane (1784314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575627)

I agree, if he actually started the fight. Unfortunately, we may never know enough to determine what actually happened.

Re:Error My Ass (2)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575661)

Well the difference it between a hate crime and an over zealot would be cop who puts the law in his own hand. I personally think he should still be arrested. As he had many options to avoid getting into the fight. Heck he caused it. I would expect the kid did attack him, not as not to start the aggression but he was standing his own grown to protect himself if possible.

Re:Error My Ass (5, Insightful)

medcalf (68293) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575663)

Zimmerman is admittedly a killer. It still is unclear whether he is a murderer.

Re:Error My Ass (2)

fuzznutz (789413) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575747)

You state unequivocally that Zimmerman is a murderer, then go on to predict expectations for a murder trial. As far as I can tell, the only provable fact is that he is a killer. Whether or not he is *actually* a murderer depends on the outcome of the trial should there be one. Hysterics have already tried him in the media and it looks like you are ready to pass sentence.

Re:Error My Ass (1)

stdarg (456557) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575777)

If you start a fight with someone that doesn't mean you intended for it to escalate to someone dying. If X starts a fight with Y, then Y pulls out a gun, then X pulls out his gun and shoots Y, well, I blame Y for escalating.

Re:Error My Ass (4, Informative)

Petron (1771156) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575787)

You don't know Zimmerman started the fight. From what I've seen reported, Zimmerman asked Martin a question, and Martin punched him, then jumped on Zimmerman and started to beat him.

Keep in mind this "child" was 6'3" and 17 years old. Not the 12 year old boy the media is showing (Hmmm portray Martin as a young boy and Zimmerman as a racist (via doctored 911 call audio), and tried REALLY hard to portray Zimmerman as white, when he is Hispanic... Why would they do that?)

Keep in mind, two days ago the police report was released on this. There are six adult witnesses on it. The cops did take Zimmerman's weapon as evidence and took 3 statements and a video statement.

This is the Duke Lacrosse case all over again. The media tries to spin racial injustice (that's great for ratings!!!) but the facts (and DNA) say the accused is innocent.

Re:Error My Ass (2)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575909)

I sense irony. you malign NBC for misrepresenting the truth yet you intentional use terminology to misrepresent the truth by

* Calling Zimmerman a murderer without any sort of charge let alone conviction.
* Referencing Martin as a child which is going to invoke a protective instinct rather than using a more age appropriate word like adolescent, teenager, or minor.
* Utilizing the word hunt, which holds the intent to kill, despite no evidence that suggests that was the intent.

Re:Error My Ass (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575445)

Sometime last year, I noticed that on a CNN web article about Obama, his name was misspelled "Obongo." Obongo is a name racists frequently use to insult Obama's African roots.

I actually posted a link to it here when I saw it, but was immediately modded down and somebody replied to my comment telling me that I was full of shit.

A different time, I saw that Obama was spelled Osama on another CNN webpage. Goddamn animals have no scruples these days...

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Error My Ass (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575557)

Hell, I seem to remember that Biden called him Osama.

Funny as hell.

Re:Error My Ass (1)

medcalf (68293) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575741)

You're still full of shit. I have never heard that term use to refer to Obama, and I hang around with a lot of people who call him names. That strikes me as a "macaca" charge: and attempt to create racial animosity where none exists by inventing new terms or new meanings for them. Just like the Zimmerman case itself, only here it was NBC creating new meaning by deliberate selective editing.

Re:Error My Ass (4, Funny)

Lucas123 (935744) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575671)

Someone blew up the Cars? Bummer. I loved that band.

Re:Error My Ass (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575749)

Nice.

Re:Error My Ass (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575761)

It was just what they needed.

Re:Error My Ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575785)

They're alright, but their second movie was kinda lame. The shift in character focus just didn't work that well. Still sucks that they blew up though.

TOALLY AGREE WITH YOU (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575837)

"...NBC has completed its investigation into the Today show's mishandling of the police dispatcher's conversation with George Zimmerman..."

Wow, isn't that like the fox in the hen house letting another fox in the hen house????

WTF? Seriously, what is wrong with them???

Re:Error My Ass (4, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575881)

It's pretty clear NBC and many other media outlets constructed a narrative almost from the get-go of what happened, long before they even heard Zimmerman's side of the story. All the evidence was made to fit that narrative, a series of people who knew nothing about the case were paraded out to express outrage, and they basically found him guilty in the court of public opinion without even holding a trial. To get their ratings, they put this guy's life (and the lives of his family) in danger and threw gasoline on the fire of racial tension that already exists around these cases.

They should apologize for a LOT more than just a little selective editing of one tape.

This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575309)

Please stop, this is not news for nerds.

Editors stay in your lane. There is nothing relevant in this case to tech, or nerd issues.

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (4, Funny)

tgd (2822) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575443)

Please stop, this is not news for nerds.

Editors stay in your lane. There is nothing relevant in this case to tech, or nerd issues.

Nerds frequently walk around looking awkward, wearing hoodies, and scaring simpletons who think they must be D&D satan worshippers. Seems relevant to me.

(And, yes, the D&D satan thing probably is dating me ...)

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (4, Funny)

krept (697623) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575699)

(And, yes, the D&D satan thing probably is dating me ...)

Whatever kind of guys you're into. We're not here to judge.

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575717)

(And, yes, the D&D satan thing probably is dating me ...)

Couldn't get a girl to date you, huh?

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (1)

mhajicek (1582795) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575795)

Well at least you got SOMETHING to date you. Hey, that reminds me, I need to get a mini for my new character for this weekend!

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (4, Insightful)

Myopic (18616) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575481)

I think you have improperly equated "news for nerds" with "nerdy news".

I'm a nerd. This interests me. Therefore this is news for nerds. Get off your high horse.

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575579)

Bull. By that rationale, we should probably get all our Lady Gaga news here too, because some nerd, somewhere, likes her music.

Slashdot is nerd news. This is not that. I don't come here to listen to idiots like you rant about random social issues that have nothing to do with technology.

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575679)

we should probably get all our Lady Gaga news here too, because some nerd, somewhere, likes her music.

I'm going to have to ask for a citation for that outlandish claim.

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575591)

Add "Hugh Pickens" to the "stay in your lane" list -- he should know better. Oh, wait, he's in it for the TOP SUBMITTER ranking.

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (5, Insightful)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575599)

Editors stay in your lane. There is nothing relevant in this case to tech, or nerd issues.

Manipulation of recorded data by a major media outlet to change peoples' perception is not relevant to tech?

Re:This IS NOT NEWS FOR NERDS (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575669)

Please stop, this is not news for nerds.

Editors stay in your lane. There is nothing relevant in this case to tech, or nerd issues.

Really? I thought there was an interesting lesson for nerds here: Get your news from more than one source.

This lesson even applies in the Great Slashdot Smartphone OS War. We've seen omission due to bias a number of times on this site yet we still continue to fall for it. Lots of people shouting RTFA!! It'd be nice if we could look at this story where we're not standing on either side of a line, flipping the bird, and learn from it.

Until this site transforms from being a debate forum to an area of discussion, stories like this are totally relevant.

who cares (-1, Troll)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575323)

no one watches tv anymore so who cares.

Some quick googling and about 5 mil watch that show. In other words 295 million potential viewers think so lowly of it, they won't even watch it for free.

About 1 percent of the population is being misinformed.... so?

Re:who cares (4, Insightful)

QuantumPion (805098) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575411)

Zimmerman and his parents probably care that they were libeled on national TV in an attempt to rile a mob to literally murder them.

Re:who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575601)

Zimmerman and his parents probably care that they were libeled on national TV in an attempt to rile a mob to literally murder them.

Really? Was NBC biased, disingenuous, and wrong? Or, were they actually trying to stir up a crowd of people to *literally* (not figuratively) murder GZ? Would you see it through such hyperbolic lenses if it were a network that hewed closer to your personal worldview?

Re:who cares (2, Informative)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575793)

Or, were they actually trying to stir up a crowd of people to *literally* (not figuratively) murder GZ?

One of their front page website stories is titled "Trayvon's parents to lead nighttime rally in Miami" so ... yeah, they're "literally" trying to round up a night time lynch party and get them fired up by slandering him. Imagine how many will tune in to watch, if/when the media manages to get Zimmerman lynched, which seems to be the media gameplan.

Would you see it through such hyperbolic lenses if it were a network that hewed closer to your personal worldview?

Lets see if that network matches my worldview.. lets look at their non-zimmerman slandering stories right off their own website ... "Beard shares struggle to be ‘beautiful, thin and perfect’" (apparently she's a female athlete) ... "Kate and William wax figures unveiled at Madame Tussauds" ... "Where to buy Kate and Pippa Middleton's favorite jeans " WRT to worldview, those clowns are not on the same planet as I am. We're talking about not even being able to compare due to lack of common ground.

Re:who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575767)

> Zimmerman and his parents probably care that they were libeled on national TV in an attempt to rile a mob to literally murder them.

Now you've libeled NBC by claiming that their intent was to have Zimmerman and his parents murdered by a mob.

Re:who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575441)

It's not the size of the ignorant mass, it's how much noise they make.

Re:who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575457)

That's still more than listen to Rush Limbaugh. Yet you didn't say "so?" when he said 'slut' did you? In fact, it was a firestorm that even involved the President calling to console. This, on the other hand gets a "so?" from you. Way to deflect!

Re:who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575489)

And maybe a slightly smaller number are deliberately misinformed in the same way by Hannity's show every day. Hypocritical scumbag...

Yeah, whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575335)

'Apologies are hard.'

Bullshit. Getting your ass sued off for shit tactics like that is hard. Saying you're sorry is cheap and easy.

news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575341)

where is the accurate and fair news being broadcast. all i see on the news is tabloid trash.

Apologies... (5, Funny)

damien_kane (519267) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575347)

We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible have been sacked.

Re:Apologies... (2)

Nimey (114278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575645)

A moose once shot my brother...

Re:Apologies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575659)

A llama ønce shøt to death my black friend, yøu knøw...

Why is this on slashdot? (0)

g051051 (71145) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575365)

This isn't news for nerds, is it? It's not even stuff that matters, really. It's just more spam from Hugh Pickens, slashdot definitely needs to stop posting all of his offtopic submissions.

Re:Why is this on slashdot? (1)

tgd (2822) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575491)

This isn't news for nerds, is it? It's not even stuff that matters, really. It's just more spam from Hugh Pickens, slashdot definitely needs to stop posting all of his offtopic submissions.

Its political, but not overtly so. It'll probably cause some big partisan shitstorm, though. Slashdot editors aren't stupid. Ads pay their salaries, and shitstorms drive ad views. The content of the front page will make a lot more sense if you always keep that in mind. Slashdot hasn't been a place for intelligent discussion on topics of interest to "nerds" since the 90's.

Re:Why is this on slashdot? (2)

John Bokma (834313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575507)

If it bothers you, stay away. Each and every day I see people here bitch about how crap Slashdot has become. It has been crap for years. Misleading titles, bad edits, slashvertisements, you name it. And the crap is exactly what people make come back day after day (so Slashdot gets rewarded for it), to bitch about it all, how shitty Slashdot has become (like it was really that much better a few years back). If you really care, stay away. If enough people do this, maybe things will change. But I doubt it. The Slashdot of the 90s has been dead a long, long time.

There was no mistake (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575371)

This was intentional, they knew exactly what they were doing..

To say this was a mistake is just another lie and therefore renders their apology meaningless.

The current admin and media seem to love racial divide.

He looks like he's up to no good? (1)

mykos (1627575) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575385)

Better fire a couple warning shots into his chest just in case.

Re:He looks like he's up to no good? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575565)

Or if he's the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood, steal his wallet, sucker-punch him in the face with a knock-out punch, then strip him of his clothes, all the while laughing and videoing on your cell phone.

http://rmirror.net/r/videos/comments/rsc0g/this_makes_my_blood_boil/ [rmirror.net]

Re:He looks like he's up to no good? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575685)

Better fire a couple warning shots into his chest just in case.

Interestingly enough, CCW (carrying a concealed weapon) courses instruct you to NEVER fire warning shots because those very warning shots can be stray bullets that kill innocent bystanders.

Just some food for though.

Re:He looks like he's up to no good? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575877)

They also say to never point the gun at something you do not intend to kill.

Mistake my ass (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575403)

The only mistake was that the Today show miscalculated the reaction to their editing, when they tried to push their agenda instead of reporting the truth. Many news outlets have tried to make this a race issue, claiming an innocent young black man was hunted down by a WHITE hispanic and shot. Many of the facts have proven that this narrative is wrong yet little to no retraction has happened, at best NBC was trying to sensationalist the story, at worst they were pushing a narrative about racist America and were trying to hide the evidence to the contrary.

Re:Mistake my ass (4, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575617)

That might be overthinking it a bit. Lets try to figure out what the "today show" is. Is it carefully calibrated propaganda, or just irrelevant chewing gum for the mind?

Lets look at their website to see how they show themselves to the world... "Trayvon's parents to lead nighttime rally in Miami " "And the most huggable TODAY anchor is." "5 confessions of a ‘Scary Mommy’ " "Beard shares struggle to be ‘beautiful, thin and perfect’ " "Why is Savannah barefoot at the news desk? " "Kate and William wax figures unveiled at Madame Tussauds" "Hey, girl, watch out for that taxi! Gosling to the rescue ""Too-beautiful British writer: ‘The bile proves my point’ " "Matt to Ryan Seacrest: Are you taking my job?" "Has Obama locked up the Trekkie vote? " "Mom recounts saving daughters from ‘terrifying’ tornado "Where to buy Kate and Pippa Middleton's favorite jeans " "‘Reunion’s’ Levy: ‘I’m tired of being a sex symbol’ "Seeing double: Celebrities get the wax treatment "

I think a detailed analysis indicates its basically all crap... chewing gum for the mind... meaningless trivialities. Mostly "human interest stories" and "celebrity gossip". Good to hear that I'm not missing anything... according to ratings I'm part of the 99% of the population that doesn't watch that kind of trash.

Considering that only around 1% of the population watches, its probably not the ideal vehicle to propagandize to the masses.

I would imagine a show like this occasionally F-s up a lasanga recipe or mis-pronounces a TV stars name, and no one cares, its just that for once they covered something I'm told I should care about, and they were not used to the higher standard required for the scrutiny. My guess is the managers who put the B-team in charge of an A-team task will get off free by throwing their employees under the bus. Clear case of mis-management. If they had stuck to celebrity gossip, a normal screwup would have been OK and unnoticed.

Re:Mistake my ass (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575913)

I have never heard the term "white hispanic" prior to this news story. Interesting that Zimerman is never just "hispanic". There seem to be people with an interest in portraying this as a white on black hate crime rather than just manslaughter or homicide.

The media messed this one up more broadly... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575409)

Reporting that Zimmerman was white when he self-identifies as Hispanic. Outdated photos of Martin made people think he was a little kid who could never be dangerous in a fight. It turns out he was 17 and 6'+, visiting his dad because he was suspended from school. (There are a lot of smaller issues like the story he was watching basketball with his dad when it appears his dad wasn't even home at the time. It's not even clear where some of this information came from.)

I'm not saying it's 100% conclusive that Zimmerman's story was true, but this wouldn't have blown up into the story it's become if they hadn't gotten it so wrong about the age, size and race issues. How will anything change though when it seems like these media outlets benefit from selling false information? The more sensationalistic they make it, the more hits they get.

Apology hell, now sue them for defamation (2)

Freddybear (1805256) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575413)

That apology and a few million dollars should make the hurt feelings go away.

Give the People What They Want (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575417)

It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Guilty guilty GUILTY! A thousand counts of guilty for ... um ... being bored in public? "I demanded he present his papers and pointed out that any self-respecting member of the proletariat would not lethargically meander about and instead optimize his steps in an effort to better serve his comrades."

And NBC? Why, they were giving you the best news money can buy. You wanted George Zimmerman to be super guilty, super racist and super scumbag and that's what they kindly provided you. Your eyeballs and mouse clicks lead NBC to place money over justice or facts (the true Capitalists that we all are). SO either stop watching them or just forgive them for entertaining you a little too well. A young man was killed by some power-tripping neighborhood watch? We can easily incite a race war with our reporting, you say? NBC sees dollar signs! Just a touch of editing and ... look at those servers cook!

Normally I would feel unqualified to make any comments on this case unfortunately it's unclear if this will ever be brought before an actual court so this might end up being the only thing done -- mock trials in the worst format of all: the 24 hour news cycle.

Re:Give the People What They Want (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575619)

I watch NBC as much as I visit their news website. Never!

Re:Give the People What They Want (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575829)

Guilty guilty GUILTY! A thousand counts of guilty for ... um ... being bored in public? "I demanded he present his papers and pointed out that any self-respecting member of the proletariat would not lethargically meander about and instead optimize his steps in an effort to better serve his comrades."

I guess you live in one of those real gated communities (i.e. rich white suburbs too far from the bus stop for the lower class to get to) that never has to worry about burglaries. There is a reason why Zimmerman was a neighborhood watchman - their neighborhood had been suffering many break-ins and was a high crime area. If you live in a high crime area and notice someone that doesn't live there is walking around from house to house in the daytime you'd be suspicious too.

Re:Give the People What They Want (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575831)

"It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."

That described me about 3 nights out of the week when I was in college. Fortunately, I'm not black and I hate hoodies.
When the story first broke, I opened the news article that showed a picture of Zimmerman. My first thought was "glad he's not white, that'd get ugly". Turns out he's half white and that's the part they're focusing... sort of like they focus on Obama's black half so he's our first black president. Whichever half is most convenient at the time, I suppose. I'm half deaf and I'll admit, sometimes I use the deaf half to ignore people and sometimes I use the hearing half when I want to listen to people.

it is impossible to remove bias from media (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575425)

word choice, subject choice, what is delicately omitted, what is unnaturally focused on, what is purposefully ignored or ignored as an artifact of honest subconscious prejudicial mistake... these all create media bias. and there is no objective guide to these issues. every reader has their own agenda, and every reader has a different idea of what is important to focus on and what to ignore

so there will always be some reader somewhere outraged by bias. and the only way to say he is wrong is to compare to the average set of concerns in society, which are always shifting, and are complex

bias is impossible to root out, or even define

the best that can ever be hoped for is to minimize bias as much as possible. it is up to the reader to have a good bullshit meter functioning, no matter what they are reading. the person who implicitly trusts the media, any media, is a fool. trust only your own judgment, and verify, by referencing international sources, different ideological sources, etc. it is the best you can ever hope to do

but obviously, NBC completely screwed up here. this is a situation where bias is obvious and huge. therefore, as an organization whose word and integrity depends upon minimizing bias, they have hurt their brand image

Re:it is impossible to remove bias from media (5, Insightful)

SaroDarksbane (1784314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575693)

Everyone is biased, but not everyone is a liar.

what do you mean "liar" (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575873)

are you saying NBC purposefully distorted the call? for what purpose?

it wasn't an overworked intern? or maybe it really was an employee with malicious intent... then that employee represents NBC's intentions fully?

i don't think there's malice on the part of NBC here. maybe an employee, but most probably a stupid mistake

if you say that my willingness to give NBC a pass reveals my bias, then it is easy to respond your willingness to castigate them reveals your bias

we are operating on limited information here as to NBC's intent, just like we are operating on bias when understanding what happened with zimmerman

everyone is biased

"liar" implies a level of malicious intent that you only find in hollywood movies. the real world is not a cartoon

mistake .. only if you get caught. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575433)

I once knew someone who worked in a news room. They were given footage of peaceful protesters (abortion) and the instruction 'make these people look nuts'.

this is very typical of the liberal press, they don't mind lying to get a story or for ratings or to push their specific agenda. ( not that the 'conservative press' if there is such a thing , is any better, just pushing different issues).

run on... for a long time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575449)

I'm commenting about Slashdot posting about Hugh Pickens writing about the Washington Post reporting about NBC investigating the Today Show lying about the police dispatcher's recording of George Zimmerman misinterpreting Trayvon Martin's candy run. Wee!

Bozell wins the prize (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575455)

Bozell wins the prize for biggest location-based irony in a statement today. This is the network that used footage of a popular rally to make its own rally seem better received, even though it meant pretending there are palm trees in D.C.

Did they use an ellipses? (-1, Troll)

Sebastopol (189276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575467)

If there was a "..." in between, that's OK in my book.

If no attempt was made to indicate an truncation had occurred, it is a HUGE mistake. Deleting any information without letting the reader know constitutes a huge breach of journalistic trust.

Any outcry from FOX news will be made from a mountain of hypocrisy, as this is something they've been doing constantly and consistently for over a decade.

Why so hung up on a race? (2, Insightful)

Balial (39889) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575503)

An unarmed kid is dead because someone with a gun pursued and shot him. The ethnicity of the two parties is irrelevant. The shooter should be on trial for murder.

I agree, why are you hung up on race? (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575609)

The only reason you care at all is because the guy who got shot is black.

No one "pursued" anyone. Zimmerman got out of the car to FOLLOW which is quite different. Zimmerman was then attacked, and had to use his gun because it was being grabbed and would shortly be used against him.

There's nothing simple or clear about this thing, it's all a lot of unfortunate assumptions and actions by either side that ended in one person dead. I don't even think there should be a trial though given what we now know to be true. I would think the same regardless of race involved on either side, I have nothing against hispanics either.

Re:I agree, why are you hung up on race? (1)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575709)

pursue [per-soo] Show IPA verb, -sued, -suing.
verb (used with object)
1.
to follow in order to overtake, capture, kill, etc.; chase.
2.
to follow close upon; go with; attend: Bad luck pursued him.
3.
to strive to gain; seek to attain or accomplish (an end, object, purpose, etc.).
4.
to proceed in accordance with (a method, plan, etc.).
5.
to carry on or continue (a course of action, a train of thought, an inquiry, studies, etc.).

There is no evidence Zimmerman was attacked.

Re:I agree, why are you hung up on race? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575721)

Wait...you think no one would care if Treyvon had been white? I think that would make people care event more.

Re:I agree, why are you hung up on race? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575939)

Oh fucking please. The only reason you entertain that the shooting was justified is because the victim was black and this lends inherent plausibility to the "he was up to no good" defense.

If it was a white boy in the ground, you know Zimmerman's hispanic ass would already be on its way to the slammer. Nobody would think it's okay to FOLLOW an innocent white boy with a gun.

Re:Why so hung up on a race? (3, Informative)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575623)

The ethnicity is absolutely relevant. As has been pointed out here - find a case of a black man doing this to a white kid *under equal circumstances*, where the black man was not arrested. I live in the county that had the lowest murder rate in the country in 2004, Fairfax County. I know a guy (not by choice) who did a similar thing - he was drunk, heard a ruckus outside, brought out a gun, shot a hispanic kid, left the scene, did not call 911, flushed his evidence down the toilet. He was white. The kid he shot was brown. The shooter claimed self defense was not charged. He sat with cops and joked during the wrongful death lawsuit (that he lost). He was never charged. His name was never released to the family, who had to sue in court for over a year just to find his name. His name is Brandon Gotwalt. Hopefully I'm retelling the story right, but there's plenty to google on this. Show me where this happens with races reversed. Race absolutely changes how the law is applied. This has been statistically proven over and over and over and over.

Re:Why so hung up on a race? (2)

rezalas (1227518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575689)

"kid" is not just a lie, but a damn lie. He was young but damn sure not a kid. Kids don't stand over 6' tall and definitely aren't 17. You could say young adult, or teenager, or even adult considering the age, but not "kid".

Re:Why so hung up on a race? (1)

sloth jr (88200) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575929)

I was 6' when I was 13. Was I a "kid"?

Re:Why so hung up on a race? (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575715)

The problem is that this case, which is a simple, clear cut situation of someone playing Dirty Harry, has been hijacked by everyone to advance their own agenda.

Everyone in the media and politics should just shut the fuck up and let the investigation proceed.

Re:Why so hung up on a race? (5, Insightful)

SaroDarksbane (1784314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575753)

My fixed version: An unarmed person was shot during an altercation, and the facts relevant to determining who initiated the fight are still unknown. The ethnicity of the two parties is irrelevant. The shooter should be on trial for murder if there is probable cause to believe he was the one who started the fight.

Wakeup call to those who only hound Fox "News" (5, Insightful)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575537)

This just goes to show you that Fox News is not the only one who will happily edit or take out of context something they feel will boost their ratings or meet their internal bias/views. It's why I've stopped watching/reading all mainstream news. I just occasionally glance at "smaller"news sites and browse /. (though most /. summaries also twist the facts to meet the submitter/editor's own bias/views, but the topics are generally more interesting to me.)

Considering the weight we put on our Jury system, this kind of reporting should actually come with heavy penalties. AFAIK, Zimmerman has yet to go to trial (if ever), and reporting like this will only improperly skew the potential jury pool one way or another. And because many Americans still trust "news" (be it Fox News or NBC or CNN), they will take things like this as absolute fact; a correction never gets as much time or weight as the original story, so they're far more likely to miss that. This American Life's correction a few weeks back was the proper way to go about it, and that's likely a millennial event. And I'm too lazy to look it up, but a few months back there was a report on /. that even after someone is told that a previously stated "fact" was actually a mistake or outright lie, an alarming portion of people still hold the previous "mistruth" as fact.

Furthermore, an incident like this actually helps Zimmerman--there's plenty of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to lob against this guy, so when you go out of your way to make up or twist such things it only lends credence to the idea that the guy isn't as bad as he seems.

The difference... (0, Troll)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575769)

Is that Fox wouldn't apologize, nor would they likely even change their coverage when it's pointed out.

Re:Wakeup call to those who only hound Fox "News" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575883)

This just goes to show you that Fox News is not the only one who will happily edit or take out of context something they feel will boost their ratings or meet their internal bias/views. It's why I've stopped watching/reading all mainstream news. I just occasionally glance at "smaller"news sites and browse /. (though most /. summaries also twist the facts to meet the submitter/editor's own bias/views, but the topics are generally more interesting to me.)

I find it funny how every time the mainstream media gets caught outright lying to promote their political agenda, the fault STILL gets put on Fox News for "being biased too". Not that I can remember Fox News ever photoshopping pictures, chopping sound bites out of order, or just plain lying during a news reporting segment.

Falsehoods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575567)

I wonder if "Brent Bozell" spoke out as strongly about the fake photos of Trayvon Martin that were circulated by the conservative press.

Has Zimmerman apologized for murdering that guy? (0)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575631)

If not, fuck him.

Such bad tactics on display. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575637)

Trayvon Martin's death was completely preventable.

http://hammerheadcombatsystems.org/2012/03/24/the-discretionary-mindset/

television news networks (3, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575643)

dont exist to inform viewers of current events in a timely and accurate manner as part of their FCC mandate to offer the public a general good. Commercial television networks offer a news program to sell advertising air-time by finding stories and topics that revolve around easily exploitable human emotions. The abuse of context and deliberate indulgence with which networks engage in editorializing a story to the point of satire should be all the proof you need.

This isnt an NBC, CNN, FOX or ABC problem, its a problem with formerly independent news sources suddenly being treated as some sort of cash-cow revenue component of a television stations earnings, instead of a service offered to people without cost, as the FCC license intended.

get the sponsorship out of television news entirely. it should be unbiased objective reporting that sounds like C-SPAN and repeats itself every 30 minutes to an hour and holds itself accountable to some sort of law that requires truthfulness in journalism. The kind of standard that explicitly keeps fox out of canada.

Reminds me of my favourite quote (1)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575691)

Original quote:

I hate racists who discriminate against black people!

Quoted quote:

I hate ... black people

"NBC" didn't do anything (4, Insightful)

darth dickinson (169021) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575725)

This article refers to things that NBC decided, did, or said regarding their outrageous editing of George Zimmerman's 911 call.

But NBC exists only in a legal sense. It has no brain. It makes no decisions. And it's really incapable of giving a rat's ass about criticisms it might receive from the right of the political spectrum.

The things that NBC "says" or "does" are really said or done by the people who work, mostly anonymously, inside the protective bubble we refer to as NBC.

We're not permitted to know which of those people made the "error" in question. But we know who is the one ultimately responsible for it.

That would be Steve Capus, the president of NBC news. As the top guy, he is ultimately responsible for everything NBC "says" or "does".

And now, Steve Capus is responsible for the whitewashing of this "error."

Steve Capus must be held accountable for this travesty that happened on his watch. Steve Capus must step down as the president of NBC News.

Every post about this issue should frame it as what it really is: Malicious malpractice, committed and covered up by Steve Capus.

Judicious Editing (4, Insightful)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575763)

That's a very serious misrepresentation of the phone call. NBC obviously did this to rile up viewers and try to create the story (and central character) to be larger than life. Journalistic integrity at its worst.

Of Minor Importance (0)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575833)

Those words are not as important as the part where the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman

We don't need you to follow him

And then he went and did it regardless. Racist or not, Zimmerman is still a fucking murderer and deserves to be tried for his crime. Whether he murdered him for being black or just murdered him for the hell of it doesn't matter, there is a dead 17 year old kid now who would otherwise be alive if Zimmerman hadn't murdered him.

More 'facts' from NBC? (1)

cstec (521534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39575905)

This is hardly shocking. This is the same NBC that 'proved' GM pickups would catch on fire with a side impact by rigging the gas tank with incendiary devices for the 'test.'

[See General Motors v. NBC section for an overview https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dateline_NBC [wikipedia.org] ]

George Zimmer is a great man! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39575917)

But how will this effect future Men's Wearhouse commercials if he goes to jail?

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