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Apple Developing Tool To Remove Flashback

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the macs-can't-get-viruses dept.

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Trailrunner7 writes, quoting Threatpost: "Apple is planning to release a software fix that will find and remove the Flashback malware that has been haunting Mac users for several months now. ... Apple said on Tuesday that it was in the process of developing a tool that would detect and remove Flashback, but the company did not specify when the fix would be available. Security researchers and customers have been questioning why Apple hasn't yet provided a fix for the malware even though Flashback has been around in one form or another for more than six months now."

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212 comments

if steve jobs was still here (5, Funny)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643207)

he would hire elite apple assasins to kill these supposed security researchers to stop the bad news

Re:if steve jobs was still here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644025)

Begin, the cat and mouse game has.

Re:if steve jobs was still here (5, Funny)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644209)

Begun. the cat and mouse game has.

Proper grammar, Yoda would speak with.

Re:if steve jobs was still here (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644185)

If Jobs was still here he would tell you that you are "holding it wrong".

Re:if steve jobs was still here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644855)

That's hilarious. Where do you come up with them? /sarcasm

Steve Jobs: Ninja Assasin (5, Funny)

Guppy (12314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644205)

he would hire elite apple assasins to kill these supposed security researchers to stop the bad news

You fools, don't you realize Steve Jobs himself was the elite apple assassin?

Concealed under his black shinobi-shzoku-turtleneck was a lethal array of ninja weapons; many an unlucky Samsung executive or uncooperative tech-journalist has met their end at his hands, dispatched by a Firewire-cable garrot or iShuriken (they're like regular Shuriken, but with patented rounded corners). Gates himself has only survived thanks to the vigilant guard of his hulking 'roid-enhanced genetically engineered gorilla henchman.

He was a shinobi of un-matched caliber, until his fateful battle against Google-fu masters Page and Brin, when he was felled by the Pancreas Death-Strike technique.

Re:Steve Jobs: Ninja Assasin (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644515)

You fools, don't you realize Steve Jobs himself was the elite apple assassin?

I like what you did there.

Most probably didn't even notice that your lips were not synchronized as you said the above.

Re:Steve Jobs: Ninja Assasin (2)

mybecq (131456) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644889)

Gates himself has only survived thanks to the vigilant guard of his hulking 'roid-enhanced genetically engineered gorilla henchman.

And here I was thinking it was because he was some kind of Borg creature. My mistake.

Re:if steve jobs was still here (1)

shugah (881805) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644407)

I'm going to get a bracelet that says "WWSD"

How good is it? (1)

rishistar (662278) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643219)

I'm still having flashbacks to the time I saw the Goatse image. Will it work on that too?

Re:How good is it? (5, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643445)

Would probably help if you didn't make it your desktop wallpaper.

Re:How good is it? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643769)

I thought flashback was a pretty good game for a 2d platformer.

btw what do you think about this =o=

Re:How good is it? (2)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643873)

It's a tired Koala!

Slow is good (4, Informative)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643245)

Security researchers and customers have been questioning why Apple hasn't yet provided a fix for the malware even though Flashback has been around in one form or another for more than six months now.

Because they're doing the same thing Microsoft does with its slow-as-molasses patches: testing for side effects, on every major application, on every piece of hardware they can get their hands on.

Re:Slow is good (4, Informative)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643297)

if it was Linux based malware a patch would have been out within 24 to 48 hours, six months is enough time to create a new version of the entire operating system,

Re:Slow is good (0, Troll)

JDG1980 (2438906) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643325)

if it was Linux based malware a patch would have been out within 24 to 48 hours

And it would have required editing a text configuration file and then running the patch from the command line, and it wouldn't work on a wide variety of common hardware, and whenever someone brought up these issues the response would be "RTFM n00b."

Re:Slow is good (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643831)

And it would have required editing a text configuration file and then running the patch from the command line,.

Bit of a pathetic troll given there's been gui package managers where you click on 'apply' or similar to bring your entire system up to date for more than 10 years.

Re:Slow is good (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644079)

Don't confuse the issue with facts.

Re:Slow is good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643335)

Yes, yes, almost no one in the real world cares about Linux.

Go add some useless widget to an open source project.

Re:Slow is good (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643491)

Most of the world uses Linux everyday.

Far more people than the Mac userbase.

Re:Slow is good (2)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643629)

And they have no idea they are using it and have no direct interaction with the OS or it's file system. We are talking about actively used computers, mainly desktops/laptops.

Don't be douche.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643913)

And they have no idea they are using it and have no direct interaction with the OS or it's file system. We are talking about actively used computers, mainly desktops/laptops.

Don't be douche.

Why are we talking about actively used computers? A server isn't a computer anymore? Surely a server is more actively used than any normal desktop computer.

You are talking about the computers that fit your perspective nicely. Think about it this way, if Apache or similar would have unpatched security issues for so long, how would you react then? You'd be preaching that it's just not acceptable for something thats used by so many people daily.

Re:Slow is good (1, Flamebait)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644073)

What!?! Yeah because there are more servers than desktop computers. We're talking about infection on desktop computers.

don't be a douche.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644335)

Why are we talking about actively used computers?

The flashback malware affects desktop machines, not servers. So unless you are logged onto a graphical terminsl on your server while you surf the web for "chicks with sticks", or whatever else it is that cranks your engine, your server is ulikely to be vulnerable.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644661)

Hey! The word is "iDouche", okay? An iDouche is someone who wanders around with their head down, peering into a mobile device and not watching where they are going. An iDouche is someone who turns away from you in mid conversation when their mobile device rings. An iDouche is someone who thinks what he/she owns is what he/she is. An iDouche is someone who speaks way, way too loudly on their cellphone. Most iDouches use apple products, hence the name.

Yesterday I saw an iDouche wandering around blindly and I steeled myself. I hardened up my shoulder and arm and slightly spread my stance. When we collided the iDouche got taken right off his feet. Thing 'o beauty it was!

PS. Yes I own a mobile device. I also know what manners are.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643753)

Yes, yes, almost no one in the real world cares about Linux.

Go add some useless widget to an open source project.

Aye up i see the apple crapple fan boys are out in force again tell me does the i in the apple range stand for iDIOTIC DICKHEADS

Re:Slow is good (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644877)

Honest question: Why do you visit this site?

Re:Slow is good (4, Funny)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643439)

If you're running Linux, you're probably competent to fix things if a patch breaks them.

If you're running OS X, you're probably confused enough by the patch in the first place.

If you're running Windows, you're probably just going to complain to some IT guy when the report looks slightly different.

Disclaimer: I triple-boot, with more VMs. I can make fun of everybody.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643649)

Dual booting is a sign of non-commitment. Look at your hand, does it have a ring on it? Maybe you should marry the other hand simply out of years of devotion to your needs.

One OS. Use it.

Re:Slow is good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643721)

But then he would have no choice but to use OS X since it's the only OS that has both the media production apps creative professionals need but also all the geeky unix tools developers know and love...

The only reason not to use Apple is if you're poor and that's probably your own fault so you don't deserve Apple in that case.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643791)

Cygwin

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644049)

Nah, that's ok buddy, my business is pretty successful, no need to cut corners, Mac Pros easily fit my budget.

Re:Slow is good (5, Funny)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644693)

Bah Ur doin it wrong, let the old Hairyfeet show you how to REALLY insult all three OSes!

1.-if the patch comes out on linux it will be 14 pages of CLI and a tarball that will need a specific version of GCC, if they put it in the repo upon application it will throw you into single user mode on first boot. you DO know how to edit your config files, right?

2.-If the patch comes out on Windows it will take 2 hours to install, followed by an hour on the "waiting to shutdown' screen and ANOTHER hour on the "Please wait, configuring Windows" boot up and may God have mercy upon your tortured soul if the power goes out while that is happening!

3.-If the patch comes out on Apple it will be a year behind, but it will come in a cool silver look and everyone will talk about how truly wonderful it is. it doesn't actually patch anything "bad" it just brings sprinkles of Steve's magic to your poor pathetic life because "hey Apple never gets viruses' so everything you've read here? Total lie spread by those Windoze and Lunix luzers because they can't afford magic sprinkles, poor bastards.

Now THAT is how you insult all three boy! I'd insult the BSD guys while I was at it but they'd be so damned grateful that anybody even mentioned them at all they'd probably thank me for doing it which just takes all the fun out, its like kicking a really stupid puppy that just smiles and wags its tail at you.

Re:Slow is good (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644901)

I bow before your offensive mastery.

Re:Slow is good (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643461)

A patch might have been out within 48 hours, but how long until it made its way into every distributions patch repository?

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643989)

pretty fast, esp on most distros.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644265)

I'm using slackware ,so less then 36 hours for ciritcal stuff (after the patch has been publicly released) Worst case scenario - 72h (thou i dont rember this ever happening) ..... 4320h ....72h ....... my math sux but this is 60 times faster ? :) and apple hasnt even release anything yet ....they're just talking about it .... :)
So ...... even in worst case my distro gets me patches 60 times faster :)
Even debian (witch is really slow when it comes to this) will get the patch in 2-3 days..... :) soo ...what distro r u using witch gets the patch slowly?!

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644329)

About another 48hours, ** if it was critical?

**alright, not for *every* distro if we're being picky; for current supported versions of proper distros, i.e. not one guy's hobby distro that no-one uses except him.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643687)

Because in the Linux world, it doesn't matter if it works reliably. They just tell any upset users whose computer is now broken due to the patch that they don't care about them, because "Hey, it works on my computer." So, I'd much rather have a slow patch from a company that cared enough to actually test it, vs a hobbyist who doesn't care enough to produce quality robust code.

Re:Slow is good (4, Funny)

olau (314197) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644013)

So, I'd much rather have a slow patch from a company that cared enough to actually test it, vs a hobbyist who doesn't care enough to produce quality robust code.

True. That's why I run a mix of Windows ME and Apple MacOS 9 on all my servers. I'm not letting that Linux distro run entirely by volunteers, what's it called, Debbi's Ian? near any of my good stuff. When was the last time Microsoft or Apple released a security fix for those two systems? See. Flawless software.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644569)

Seriously Windows ME? That has to be the most unstable and worst operating system that was produced to date.

Re:Slow is good (4, Insightful)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644059)

if it was Linux based malware a patch would have been out within 24 to 48 hours, six months is enough time to create a new version of the entire operating system,

The vulnerability has been patched. This is about removing the malware from infected systems.

Re:Slow is good (2)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644863)

if it was Linux based malware a patch would have been out within 24 to 48 hours ...

The vulnerability has been patched. This is about removing the malware from infected systems.

Yeah, and how hard is that? Is this about malware that magically attaches itself to existing executables, or does it just drop itself into a system directory and run itself?

Both are pretty bloody old problems and easily mitigated. How is it that OSX can be owned by a driveby exploit trojan that adds it to a botnet? I thought its underlying guts were Unix. How is it that Windows can't notice that something new has been installed and executed without the user's instigation?

What have Apple and Microsoft OS developers been spending their time on for the last decade? Surfing pr0n? Posting "you guys suck" on web forums? Making Clicky spin more gracefully?

Meanwhile, their users are unwittingly added to botnets and their machines run keyloggers that phone home to crackers. And they get to pay for these "privileges"?!? Gee, what a great deal.

$DEITY help them if their shareholders ever wise up.

Re:Slow is good (2)

ledow (319597) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643395)

Meanwhile, all those applications are running in your large corporation while riddled with malware that's difficult to detect, isolate and remove.

Put out a patch and EVERYONE can test, and those for whom it is critical can TELL you what it did to their machines and/or choose to apply it or not.

Meanwhile, every home user is typing in their bank details into a computer that's reading their every move because some obscure application on the other side of the planet "might crash".

And, to be honest, any application that is affected by an external tool that clears a malware infection was either a) infected or b) poorly designed and implemented. That's what an OS is FOR - to isolate programs from each other and the hardware.

Re:Slow is good (5, Informative)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644173)

A) Vulnerability has been patched [cnet.com] .
B) It's not that difficult to detect and remove [cnet.com] .

This is strictly about helping non technical users that might be infected in an easy way. It's these users that were specifically targetted by the way since the malware targets old versions of Java and even checks for the existence of "power user" tools [cultofmac.com] installed and doesn't install if they are :

"4. You do not have certain security tools installed on your Mac that Flashback checks for, including Little Snitch, Xcode, and a few anti-malware tools.'

Re:Slow is good (4, Funny)

Coisiche (2000870) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643403)

...on every piece of hardware they can get their hands on...

But it's Apple, isn't there just one bit of hardware to check?

Re:Slow is good (0)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643479)

Nope. Apple has a range of products, and each has had many iterations of hardware revisions and possible upgrades.

Re:Slow is good (1)

trnk (1887028) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643903)

Whooosh!

Re:Slow is good (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643415)

Yes, because Apple will have to test on such a VAST range of hardware...

Re:Slow is good (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643603)

Yes, because Apple will have to test on such a VAST range of hardware...

Actually yes, they do. They currently offer support on 3 different OSs (10.5-10.7) and close to a hundred different platforms with different configurations going back 4 years.

You can even rent their test lab as a developer if you wanted to as well.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643431)

Apple is still in disbelief that that Flasback is real.

Re:Slow is good (5, Funny)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643481)

Apple is still in disbelief that that Flasback is real.

No.. Apple is still trying to figure out if this is from Adobe or not.

Re:Slow is good (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643433)

Actually the quote is quite opinionated and wrong. Apple provided java patches that basically close the hole and make the malware issue mute. Flashback HAS existed for months, but its also using a new vulnerability each time it comes up (its used a Flash hole, a PDF hole and a Java hole, three things not even developed BY Apple.) Likewise they have been patching the OS to flag Flashback in previous versions of the trojan.

The whole quote both shows the writers complete lack of knowledge of whats been done about Flashback that any competent system administrator knows already (hell we even have scripts developed to flag machines that MAY be infected and have had them for months this is ON TOP OF the info Apple has been providing us) as well as his bias in trying to spin this as if this thing is a huge issue (honestly is not, its not even the first real vulnerability on the Mac OS, there were numerous worms for Quicktime back in the 90's that abused Quicktimes autoplay feature, AND THOSE didnt require you to authenticate as admin since pre-osX you ran as root.)

Re:Slow is good (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643731)

From what I understand is that Apple up keeps it's own version of Java that runs on the Mac. So in fact they own the problems that come with allowing it on their systems. Here is a link about that pretty much says that http://www.nl-tech.com/apple-users-download-malware.html [nl-tech.com]

"Oracle, which develops Java, issued a critical patch update in February 2012 to correct the problem, but because Apple controls Java updates in its computers, it did Apple users no good."

and here http://whatculture.com/technology/mac-flashback-virus-what-it-is-and-how-to-remove-it.php [whatculture.com]

"The reason Apple computers were still at risk was Apple develops its own version of Java, and does so at a slower pace."

I expect to see more of this. Apple wants to keep a tight grip on everything so anything that slips thorough their fingers are fair game to allow blame on them. Look at Microsoft I don't remember Microsoft ever writing a virus/mal-ware to attack their own system but they get blamed for everything. Now that Apple is at the top of the game people will target it more so. So your opinionated comment that they are opinionated is just wrong when you look at the facts.

Re:Slow is good (4, Informative)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644127)

Actually no that's not correct. Apple and Oracle are working together on it:

"In November, Apple and Oracle announced that they would collaborate on a Mac-based incarnation of OpenJDK, an open source version of Java."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/27/no_java_in_mac_os_x_lion/ [theregister.co.uk]

Re:Slow is good (3, Informative)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644167)

And this

Oracle Previews Java SE 7 for Mac OS X, Unveils Java SE Roadmap
Oracle is releasing a technology preview of Java SE 7 on Mac OS X and said it plans to release Java SE 7 on Mac OS X for developers in the second quarter of 2012 and a consumer version later that year.

http://thejournal.com/articles/2011/10/06/oracle-previews-java-se-7-for-mac-os-x-unveils-java-se-roadmap.aspx [thejournal.com]

Re:Slow is good (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644279)

From what I understand is that Apple up keeps it's own version of Java that runs on the Mac. So in fact they own the problems that come with allowing it on their systems. Here is a link about that pretty much says that http://www.nl-tech.com/apple-users-download-malware.html [nl-tech.com]

Apple wants to get rid of Java. It's no longer installed by default from Lion onward. That also means that users on the latest version of the OS would not have been vulnerable using the OS as shipped.

Re:Slow is good (1)

csumpi (2258986) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643443)

However they missed Autodesk Maya with the Lion upgrade. Maya still doesn't run on it, which is one of the most popular 3d packages (if not the most popular 3d package).

So I'm not necessarily buying your argument. It has as much ground as saying that providing a fix would acknowledge that the problem existed in the first place.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643659)

You are joking right, you honestly think its Apple's responsibility to bug test a developers product? Its Autodesk's responsibility to get Maya to run. Trust me on this one, you are better off finding a better program as anyone who has actually worked with Autodesk knows THEY DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT MAKING IT WORK. Seriously Their products are like Quark, industry standards but full of bugs because the company is run by board members not developers.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643801)

If the Autodesk developers blow (which they do) it's not Apple's fault. Why don't you use something that doesn't suck instead, Cinema 4D for example.

Re:Slow is good (4, Interesting)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643469)

Whilst I'd like to believe you, I fear that it is more to do with Apple spending so long in flat out denial that an issue ever existed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no hater and I'm no shill. I used to exclusively use Macs, now I don't use them at all (although I do use an iPhone/iPad) purely because their support practices in terms of viruses or serious issues are disgraceful. Whilst they do have an excellent support system whilst you're covered by AppleCare, they also have a culture of denying widespread hardware and software failures that most other companies would acknowledge quickly and get fixed quickly too.

Case in point, I bought a batch of Macbook Airs a few years back for the company I was then working for. After two years, every_single_one_ died within a few days of each other from the same catastrophic hardware failure. Apple refused to acknowledge that there was any link, no matter how tenuous, of a manufacturer failure. They said it was pure coincidence.

Like I said, I'm no hater. I know that corporations have to be ruthless to make money, but once I realised just how often they bury their heads in the sand (and how infuriating it can be) that was the day I ceased to buy big ticket items from them.

Re:Slow is good (1)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643507)

As an addendum to this: There's a problem with our software, we will fix it ASAP.

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643523)

Case in point, I bought a batch of Macbook Airs a few years back for the company I was then working for. After two years, every_single_one_ died within a few days of each other from the same catastrophic hardware failure. Apple refused to acknowledge that there was any link, no matter how tenuous, of a manufacturer failure. They said it was pure coincidence.

Do tell us what this mysterious failure was, and how many of them you had. Why be so coy?

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643589)

He didn't say mysterious, he said catastrophic.
To aid in explaining the difference:
A mysterious hardware failure: "Every part tests as OK, but for some reason it doesn't work together."
A catastrophic hardware failure: "The hard drive just started making a loud clicking noise, the screen went lavender, and something in there is smoking."

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644041)

He didn't say mysterious, he said catastrophic.

My point is he is being mysterious (and coy) about what actually happened.
To aid in explaining the difference:

A mysterious hardware failure: "every_single_one_ died within a few days of each other from the same catastrophic hardware failure"

A non-mysterious hardware failure: "every_single_one_ had its logic board die"
or "every_single_one_ had its battery explode"
or "every_single_one_ had its power supply catch fire."

OP went out of his/her way to write a good long post with no details.

Re:Slow is good (1)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644295)

Replied below, what's the issue? :/

The type hardware failure is irrelevant, the fact that Apple said there was no link and that it was coincidental was the issue.

If it had been something as straightforward as a hard disk fail, that would be fine. It's not their fault as they didn't manufacture it and I'd have backups of the disks anyway. That is not a catastrophic failure (although it is a major inconvenience with the sealed body and 1.8" HDDs used in those models).

You're focusing on unimportant details and coming across as a blatant shill.

Re:Slow is good (3, Informative)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643887)

Logic board went kaput on each on of them. IIRC there were 8 machines in total. Despite my many attempts to reason with them, they wouldn't even give us a discount on the repair costs as a show of goodwill.

Re:Slow is good (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643577)

they also have a culture of denying widespread hardware and software failures that most other companies would acknowledge quickly and get fixed quickly too.

Really? Because I have never in 15 years of being a tech or system administrator who worked exclusively with Macs EVER had a issue with Apple admitting a hardware issue. Maybe a tech once in a while who didnt want to go through paperwork, but not my executive contacts who have replaced systems even when it WAS our fault, and we didnt have AppleCare on it.

Re:Slow is good (1)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643935)

I'm talking in more general terms. I.e. a thousand or so Macs started exhibiting this weird behaviour - everybody is taking to the Internet to complain. Apple are denying this is a widespread issue.

Re:Slow is good (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644071)

If you're a tech or SA working exclusively with Macs, I can say with high certainty that your productions were of low merit and no complexity. For real - 5 "home users" and a Belkin switch does not constitute enterprise experience - and your anecdote at best demonstrates how tiny your experience set is.

Re:Slow is good (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644499)

Odd. I had a MacBook affected by a bad nvidia card and Apple replaced the motherboard free of charge on hardware long out of warranty (4 years old). This is not a refusal to acknowledge an issue to my mind.

They lead the industry in satisfaction. Reality would tend to differ with your example.

Re:Slow is good (2)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644703)

Reality would tend to differ with your example.

As I said, I used to use Macs exclusively and had never had an issue with their tech support. My first Mac was a TiBook back in 2001 (which I still have and is still working perfectly). I'm not saying that their service sucks on the individual level (which, I hasten to add is not what I was talking about in my example), but the level of service I received in the example given was appalling.

Am I trying to boycott them? No. Am I saying their service sucks universally? No. In my experience with them as a big customer (15x expensive laptops) was I pleased with the service I received? Hell no.

So when you tell me about your ONE laptop with a graphics card issue and make it out to be directly comparable to a situation totally different, I have to think that you're missing the point somewhat.

Hadn't you heard? (0)

Karl Cocknozzle (514413) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643513)

Security researchers and customers have been questioning why Apple hasn't yet provided a fix for the malware even though Flashback has been around in one form or another for more than six months now.

Duh... They haven't fixed it yet because Macs don't get viruses, worms, and malware, that's a Windows problem... Hadn't you heard?

Re:Slow is good (3, Funny)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643685)

Did you just compared Apple to... Microsoft!!??

Run for your lives!

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643835)

How long do you think it takes to make sure Final Cut Pro works on like 6 machines?

Re:Slow is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644111)

It looks like it takes more then 6 months ... :) no worryz 'till they fix it , ppl will find a new bug/feature/ :)

Flashback? (2, Funny)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643257)

It's not a bug.....it's a feature.

Re:Flashback? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643561)

Sure they're not using it wrong??

Re:Flashback? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643807)

Isn't Flashback something you get from using Time Machine?

Security researchers and customers have been... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643269)

"Security researchers and customers have been questioning why Apple hasn't yet provided a fix for the malware even though Flashback has been around in one form or another for more than six months now."

Oh! Oh! I know why! It's because Apple products are immune to malware, so this all must be a big hoax!

Re:Security researchers and customers have been... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644869)

Task: fix Apple malware.
Difficulty: Apple users

Yeah, this'll take a while.

I know why (2)

BlastfireRS (2205212) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643311)

Unfortunately, security isn't that big of a deal to Apple...yet. With the increase in market penetration the bulls-eye on Macs is getting larger and a lot more tempting; hopefully they realize this before something very serious happens and take steps to bolster their in-house security research (or hell, outsource it).

First time takes much longer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643369)

"Security researchers and customers have been questioning why Apple hasn't yet provided a fix for the malware even though Flashback has been around in one form or another for more than six months now."

Here's a possibility:

In the past, marketing and the Jobs Reality Distortion Field (TM) have prevented the need for an anti-malware team at Apple. Now, Apple has a malware problem and no team ready to deal with malware - essentially caught with ripped pants and no backup pair.

They will have a assemble a team and come up with a comprehensive action plan to fix this, as it has never been done before at Apple. In the corporate world, these things take a lot of time the first time around.

Re:First time takes much longer. (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643515)

No, you are *completely* mistaken.

This forthcoming Apple "Anti-Viral Technology" is going to be amazing.

Imagine being able to remove viruses off of infected computers without buying a whole new one! Another Apple innovation and Mac OSX first!

Re:First time takes much longer. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643601)

That sounds like something only those rich crackers would buy.

Remember Trayvon! Kill Whitey and Rape His Women!

APPLE = SECURITY FAIL (0)

sproketboy (608031) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643511)

ntr

Cult of personality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643537)

They had to wait for Steve to die before they could admit there was a problem.

Antivirus? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643627)

"Apple is planning to release a software fix that will find and remove the Flashback malware"

Did you mean Apple is planning to release a antivirus?

Manually Detect & Remove (5, Informative)

guttentag (313541) | more than 2 years ago | (#39643677)

Running Software Update today to update Java will prevent you from getting flashback going forward, but that's not going to do anything if you already have it.

Here's how to figure out if you have it (from Gizmodo [gizmodo.com] ):

1.Run the following command in Terminal:
defaults read /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Info LSEnvironment
2. Take note of the value, DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES
3. Proceed to step 8 if you got the following error message:
"The domain/default pair of (/Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Info, LSEnvironment) does not exist"

If you don't get that error message, well, time to head to F-Secure for your fix. If you're clean so far, you can move on to step eight:

8. Run the following command in Terminal:
defaults read ~/.MacOSX/environment DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES
9. Take note of the result. Your system is already clean of this variant if you got an error message similar to the following:
"The domain/default pair of (/Users/joe/.MacOSX/environment, DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES) does not exist"

In other words: "does not exist" means you've got a healthy rig. Anything else, just keep following F-Secure's instructions [f-secure.com] to vanquish the intruder.

Re:Manually Detect & Remove (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644501)

>>In other words: "does not exist" means you've got a healthy rig.....

In other words: "does not exist" means you do not have the Flashback infection; doesn't mean you don't have others that have not been found/publicized.

Apple users claiming "Apple products have the most secure software!" need to be aware of two things:
1. Perfect crime: A crime that is ongoing or has been committed without any indications whatsoever. Or in other words: People who are "in the machine" are intelligent enough to keep their trap shut.

2. Rolls Royce (or any other brand of exorbitantly priced car) and safety: Just because you are in a Rolls Royce doesn't mean that you shouldn't/wouldn't wear seat belts. A head-on collision at significant speed would still maim or kill you.

Or in other words: Get some sort of security solution. Like a seatbelt, it is not going to prevent accidents or damage, but like a seatbelt, it could mean the difference between life and death.

flaws already patched. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643737)

Apple already patched the security flaws in Java that Flashback exploits. Yes, they were months behind Microsoft in doing so. http://www.macworld.com/article/1166195/apple_releases_java_security_updates.html

Why isnt the fix out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39643933)

"customers have been questioning why Apple hasn't yet provided a fix for the malware even though Flashback has been around in one form or another for more than six months now."

Customers should be reminded not to blaspheme and that everything is part of the lord Apple's plan.

Re:Why isnt the fix out? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644307)

The fix was upgrading to Lion which doesn't have Java by default.

Re:Why isnt the fix out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644891)

You mean Apple customers actually have to apply updates and upgrades just like Microsofties?
That's totally unacceptable.

has been around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644069)

"Flashback has been around in one form or another for more than six months now."

And Apple's File Quarantine System has found the old versions since shortly after.

Even Apple must believe that their own stuff (1)

nhat11 (1608159) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644135)

is impervious to malware even though they know it's not, lol.

Disappointed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644225)

For a split seocond there i misread the headline:
Apple Developing Tool To Remove Facebook

Well... hope springs eternal.

haha, quote! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39644327)

"Security researchers and customers have been questioning why Apple hasn't yet provided a fix for the malware even though Flashback has been around in one form or another for more than six months now."

because they are shit!

Has Flashback done any damage? (2)

alispguru (72689) | more than 2 years ago | (#39644619)

Casual web searches don't turn up anything other than exploiting a vulnerability to get onto your machine (bad enough!).

Did anyone successfully command it to do anything?

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