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Zimmerman Charged With 2nd-Degree Murder

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the up-to-the-jury dept.

News 995

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin, was charged with second-degree murder. He faces up to life in prison if convicted in the shooting. From the article: "Special prosecutor Angela Corey announced the charges but would not discuss how she arrived at them or disclose other details of her investigation, saying: 'That's why we try cases in court.' Second-degree murder is typically brought in cases when there is a fight or other confrontation that results in death and but does [not] involve a premeditated plan to kill. Corey would not disclose Zimmerman's whereabouts for his safety but said that he will be in court within 24 hours."

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Good luck with that fair trial thing (-1, Flamebait)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651001)

MSNBC has already been saying for 44 days that the only 'justice' is a conviction. I kind of hope George is murdered in the court room or barring that if he's found not guilty somehow that there's a Rodney King style 3 day race riot that leaves 30 dead.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (2)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651115)

Seeing as they've found people who haven't heard of cases for every trial ever (yes, including OJ, Casey Anthony, and all the rest), it's not going to affect the fairness of the trial. It's just going to extend the jury selection process. That is why that process exists in the first place. "Have you heard of the case? Yes? You're dismissed."

Unless people perjure themselves, that is. Which is a dick move with the exception of being a fully informed juror.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (1, Interesting)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651447)

To say nothing of the reality that since we live in a culture of vengeance and celebrity, and near psychotic levels of bullying which are called civil discourse, I have zero faith that any jury would deliberate for more than 15 minutes before declaring Zimmerman guilty.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (2, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651117)

How is this bullshit rated insightful?

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (3, Insightful)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651221)

There are a lot of angry people on both sides of the issue that's why, should give you insight into how the media effects issues and how stupid people can be.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651119)

You know what gets me? The way the Trey's mother was on the media talking about how nailing Zimmerman to the wall will help them move on.

For one, that won't bring back her son. For another, I think she's at least as responsible for Trey's death as Zimmerman was. When you have a son and he starts thinking that gangsta thug culture is GREAT, that all the rap and hip-hop about how awesome it is to be a career criminal is something more than entertainment, that's your cue to ACT LIKE A PARENT and straighten his ass out before he gets either jailed or shot in the streets. Of course, not deciding to start and raise a family in a high-crime area is a nice touch too.

What the hell kind of parent allows this to happen and doesn't teach their kids that being a gangsta thug is not as glorious as MTV makes it look? What kind of parent raises a teenager who attacks strangers? A shitty unworthy parent, that's what kind. I mean seriously. Being a thug ("THUG LIFE YO!") has only one of two possible endings: prison for a very long time, or an early grave.

The only surprise here is that it wasn't another violent teenager who shot him.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (2, Insightful)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651231)

He wasn't doing anything wrong when he was harassed by an unknown creep, and his killer had no knowledge of his parent's child rearing skills.

Meanwhile, it was Zimmerman who was rolling around the neighborhood with a gun looking for trouble. Why don't you rant about his parents (his father was a judge, ffs) and his screwed up attitude?

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (1)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651243)

DId you forgive the man that shot your son? If so you get a pass on your comment.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (1)

matunos (1587263) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651121)

Luckily, no one watches MSNBC.

But did you hear that Davis was wearing a hoodie? JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE!

(Incidentally, if he was wearing Crocs it would also be justifiable homicide.)

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651215)

Plenty of people watch MSNBC. If you are liberal, you watch either MSNBC or CNN, and CNN is nowhere near as good, IMO. I usually watch BBC because I don't like a lot of spin in my news. American news sucks most of the time because it's less about the news and more about the sensationalism. I've been watching the BBC for news since the 80s when I was a teen.

For me it's BBC first, followed by MSNBC. Fox is out of the question.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (-1, Offtopic)

fizzer06 (1500649) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651299)

"If you are liberal, you watch either MSNBC or CNN"

That explains why they can be so badly misinformed. I took a peek at "The Ed Show" and was amazed at the bias and stupidity of the host. At least as bad as anything the "right" has on TV.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651455)

If you find MSNBC worth watching you are a fucknut, to begin with. I've never seen anything further from reporting facts and closer to spewing hatred and bullshit. Even Fox which falls into that category can't hold a candle to the bias and vitriol on display at MSNBC. I'm afraid you invalidated your point when you championed them.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651391)

No one's said it was justifiable. On the other hand no one's saying there's even a remote possibility that this guy shouldn't be lynched from a lightpole on national television either. So, good luck with that.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (5, Insightful)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651181)

Why don't we all calm down, let justice get served legally, and not have any more people wind up dead.

It took time to work out that he could be convicted, this is normal procedure, liek the prosecutor said "we don't prosecute by petition" and that's hwo we want it.
He stayed in touch with authorities and now they are going to prosecute with a 2nd degree murder charge, if convicted he will be in protective custody, which means 23 hours a day in a cell one hour out for the rest of his life.
That's a lot more brutal than you might imagine, and maybe a lot less than his family might want.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (1)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651201)

Trayvon's family of course, not Zimmermans.

Re:Good luck with that fair trial thing (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651371)

Unlikely that even a Murder 2 conviction gets the SuperMax treatment. Unless it's keep him in protective custody so he doesn't get murdered.

Bad Slashdot (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651007)

Not news for nerds.

Re:Bad Slashdot (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651045)

+1, Insightful.

Re:Bad Slashdot (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651137)

More like, still not news for nerds.

How many fucking Treyvon/Zimmerman articles do I have to read here?

Re:Bad Slashdot (5, Funny)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651269)

None, but stand your ground on this issue.

Re:Bad Slashdot (-1, Troll)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651309)

It's an election year and the media are determined to have Obama reelected.

Every story that hints towards racism or sexism is going to be drummed up to a national level to stir up the base and get them angry enough to vote.

Why else would this story be on slashdot?

News for nerds? (0, Offtopic)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651013)

Too much politics here creeping on this site.

Re:News for nerds? (2, Insightful)

unixwolf (1179025) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651051)

I gotta agree.. There are other places for this type of news.

Re:News for nerds? (1, Informative)

Phantom Gremlin (161961) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651153)

I agree, this is not news for nerds.

Others have already agreed with you, but I wanted to "pile on", in the hopes of influencing the "editors" who select these stories. Yeah, I know, it's silly for me to think this post might make a difference. Most of the time, the "editors" can't be bothered to even read the story; I have no realistic expectation that they might actually read our comments.

Re:News for nerds? (3, Insightful)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651209)

Too much politics here creeping on this site.

Preach brother.

Re:News for nerds? (5, Interesting)

darkmeridian (119044) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651219)

Perhaps but I'm very interested, and I'm a law nerd.

Re:News for nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651297)

There are interesting "nerdy" aspects to this case because of the media manipulation and resulting public slant which brings up interesting issues like freedom, law, fairness, groupthink, mob justice, etc. that so affect society. Yes, maybe you could call that politics but it's still the technical machinery that keeps a society functioning (or not).

I mean guilty or not this guy is toast and you know it.

Re:News for nerds? (3, Interesting)

nbauman (624611) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651335)

No. I spend a day coding, I look up at the screen, and I depend on Slashdot to tell me what's going on in the world.

Re:News for nerds? (5, Interesting)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651405)

Agreed. Someone commented on the post about Santorum dropping out of the race as being offtopic for this site; I was preparing a rebutal about how politics is nerdy, too, but in the same breath I said you can also get nerdy about cars and sports, neither of which should get reported on day-to-day news here (unless they're car analogies). As I typed that, I realized that the Santorum article indeed had no place on /., even if /. has a politics section; it wasn't nerdy, there were no great debates to lead from it or nitpicking/research to do, just people commenting on how he should have dropped sooner or theorizing on "real" reasons he dropped.

This story, while of great national interest, is not about politics; government, sure, but not politics in the sense of wide-reaching leaders doing this or that, and, similarly to the Santorum article, doesn't appear on the face of it to have any "nerdy" qualities. So it doesn't belong on /. Then again, we've had articles regarding tech [slashdot.org] use [slashdot.org] in this case previously, so maybe this could be understood as followup/closure to issues raised in those articles.

But then I begin to wonder: /. has changed much over the years, adding sections like that, perhaps we need to seriously re-evaluate the purpose of /. is. Either it's expanded to be a more inclusive big-news discussion site with extra emphasis on tech/science, in which case we should drop the "News for Nerds" moniker; or, it's still a site just for tech/science-related stories, in which case the "politics" section needs to go unless we limit it to just politics story expressly about tech/science being used or abused by the government (which, yes, happens quite often.)

Consider various postings about the TSA. TSA gained relevance on /. due to their use of body scanners and so forth; however, at least a few of the more recent posts is about the gross ineptitude of the TSA, tech being merely one outlet for set ineptitude. Yet no one complains about TSA articles (that I've seen, anyway). How often do we get posts about censorship in general? Not even blocking the web/text messages, but just about laws regarding arresting people for speaking out by any means. These certainly don't deal with tech/science, but, once again, no outcry against them (again, AFAIK). In fact, those are often the most discussed posts on the site (both the tech and non-tech kind). Certainly, there are important matters outside of tech/science that require long, deep debates, and I've yet to find anywhere on the internet that can facilitate that as well as Slashdot does (take that as you will). The moderating system works well, though it has a serious bias from users.

So I think that we, as a collective site, need to ask ourselves what we want Slashdot to be: A place for news--science, tech, or otherwise--that begs, nay, requires deep discussion and insight? Or a site dedicated explicitly to tech/science (which can still have said discussion about just those issues)? And, if the latter, where do we draw a line about what is a relevant news story?

While we have editors (that we often passively rebel against) that ultimately choose what appears on the front page, the site is driven almost entirely by the community, from posts to comments to moderation, and so I believe it's up to the community to decide what the site should strive for.

Not News for Nerds. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651017)

Goodbye Slashdot. It's been nice knowing you.

Re:Not News for Nerds. (5, Funny)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651291)

Holy shit am I reading this right? Anonymous Coward just left /. I was getting tired of that guy.

Re:Not News for Nerds. (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651407)

Google News with a green and white interface!

Hooray.

Was Travoyn Martin a Nerd? (0, Redundant)

Internal Modem (1281796) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651019)

I don't understand how this is news for nerds. Maybe it is stuff that matters if overblown, racially charged issues matter to you. However, there are bigger news items that don't make it to /.

Re:Was Travoyn Martin a Nerd? (1)

Cazekiel (1417893) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651093)

Who's Travoyn Martin?

Re:Was Travoyn Martin a Nerd? (1)

Internal Modem (1281796) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651149)

He was a minor, so belonged to his parents?

Re:Was Travoyn Martin a Nerd? (1)

Cazekiel (1417893) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651329)

OH. Trayvon Martin, got it!

Re:Was Travoyn Martin a Nerd? (2)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651425)

Skittles and iced tea?

Yip!
     

RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651023)

Is this really slashdot worthy?

Not News For Nerds (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651025)

Is there any reason this story should be posted on slashdot? It has no bearing or relevance to tech, or any conceivable issue related to nerd news.

This is not your blog, editors. There is a purpose to this site, and you should stick with it.

Watch as this comment goes to -1, while any comments that say it is slashdot-worthy get modded up.

News for nerds? (0)

supersteve1440 (652591) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651029)

Is this what passes as news for nerds nowadays?

who cares? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651035)

And this is news that I care about? Get back to fusion, code, tech, etc. I can read about this on CNN.

Who is he? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651047)

And why do we care?

A question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651059)

Why can't we use 'Stand Your Ground' against abusive cops who bust your door down in a botched bust? Or is there no such thing as self defense against a cop?

What's worse than being tried in the media? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651061)

Being indicted in the media. Fantastic.

Crazy world we live in. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651065)

He acted in self defense, this has no business even being in court. He shot a drug abusing teenage kid who was there only because he was suspended from school.

There are no witnesses except Zimmerman.

What if Trayvon had killed Zimmerman instead? It's alright for blacks to kill whites, mexicans, asians, and all other races, but not the other way around.

Good luck in finding an objective jury.

Self defense? (2, Interesting)

mykos (1627575) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651171)

I don't know how you can both pursue someone against the advice of a 911 operator and claim self-defense.

Re:Self defense? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651253)

What do you mean by "pursue"?

Do you mean that Zimmerman wasn't allowed to WALK DOWN A SIDEWALK that 'Trayvon' happened to be walking along too? Since when did that become a crime?

Trayvon Martin was a typical black thug - try doing some research, you self-hating idiot (presuming you're white), or you INVADER (presuming you're not).

How's that 'diversity' bullshit working out for you? Not happy that your country hasn't quite been turned into a third world hellhole yet? You Slashdot retards claim to be intelligent, so please explain how filling your previously all white country with millions of useless third world scum is making it better? You must really hate your children.

Re:Crazy world we live in. (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651233)

What if Trayvon had killed Zimmerman instead?

He would be in jail already. And they might be trying him for first degree murder to boot. Of course, he probably knew not to wait around for that to happen.

Re:Crazy world we live in. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651235)

But this had no business being tried by the police and the media. It needs to be a judge or jury to convict him or let him go.
The facts are Zimmerman was armed, and acting as self appointed neighbourhood watch called 911 said he had a suspicious person he was following.
HE WAS TOLD NOT TO FOLLOW HIM FURTHER, he continued following him, a fight between the two occurred
and then Martin ends up shot dead.
There is no defence of "standing your ground" if you instigate the fight,
continuing to follow someone after police tell you not to, and the victim shot with Zimmerman's gun both make it seem like Zimmerman instigated it,
so he needs to be charged so that can be fairly determined.
   

Re:Crazy world we live in. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651281)

In any other country Zimmerman would have been arrested on the spot.

Shootign an unarmed kid in dubious circumstances is exactly why he should be arrested.

Re:Crazy world we live in. (1)

koan (80826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651359)

If there are no witnesses but Zimmerman, then how do you know it was self defense? Last I heard the drug charge was for pot, not much of a charge when you can buy hard alcohol EVERYWHERE.

There is also something you need to consider, if you fight a person then they say "I stop I don't want to fight any more" you're required by law to stop right then, if you hit them after that it's an A&B charge on you.
The same applies to guns (obviously) you are not required to retreat in most states but if you continue aggression when the other person has stopped you become the criminal...Zimmerman was told not to follow but he did, then shot an unarmed boy.

That much is fact because it was recorded in the 911 call, and it was determined Trayvon was not armed.

Let the peopel that know what they are doing handle this and you go back to CoD... or WoW or whatever.

And but does involve? (0)

Oh Gawwd Peak Oil (1000227) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651067)

that results in death and but does involve a premeditated plan to kill

Shouldn't that be but does not involve?

Wow, crack Slashdot-style editing there.

Racism (0)

sugarmotor (621907) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651069)

Is it already racism to make the charge only second - degree murder? What are the options?

Re:Racism (4, Interesting)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651129)

You need to read up on what first degree murder is. There's 0 way it applies here. This is the correct charge. I was expecting voluntary manslaughter myself, so yay.

Re:Racism (1)

sugarmotor (621907) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651277)

You have a pointer for "what first degree murder is"? I don't readily see a mismatch.

Re:Racism (4, Informative)

atriusofbricia (686672) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651393)

You have a pointer for "what first degree murder is"? I don't readily see a mismatch.

I'm going to presume this is a serious question...

First degree murder requires that you:

1) Wanted to kill someone
2) Planned to do it
3) Executed the plan

If you didn't mean to kill someone and planned to do it, it isn't first degree murder. Even if Zimmerman followed Martin around for a month, it wouldn't be first degree murder if *something* happens and Martin ends up dead. That planning it bit is pretty damned important.

Re:Racism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651169)

You think they are letting Zimmerman off easy because he is hispanic?

Talk about media bias (-1, Flamebait)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651087)

This entire case is a crock of bullshit. When two black teens set a white kid on fire, a clear hate crime, it hardly gets a column in the local news. But when a hispanic guy kills a black teen it garnishes national media attention?

Fuck Sharpton and Jackson, where were they then? Did Obama come out and say "If I had a son, he'd look like Coon"?

Source: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station [nydailynews.com]
Recent photos of Trayvon: http://i39.tinypic.com/1yvg5h.jpg [tinypic.com]

Re:Talk about media bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651189)

He wasn't just hispanic, he is a "White Hispanic" according to the original NYT story. White hispanic being a term used by the NYT only 5 times before in their entire publishing history.

As for Obama, tell him if I had a son he would have looked a lot like Brian Terry. I'm still waiting for charges to be brought up against the racist DOJ for that one.

Re:Talk about media bias (5, Insightful)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651205)

Let me explain how the news works, XPeter. When things work normal, it's not news. When things work abnormal, it's news. Plane crashes is typically {there's exceptions to everything I will say, but they are just that: exceptions} news. Plane lands is not. Cop arrests person and beats the hell out of them is news. Cop arrests person peacefully is not. Man bites dog is news. Dog bites man is not.

There's 43 murders every day. Do you recall reading 43 stories? No. When things go normal, they are not national stories.

So anyway, since you don't seem to have figured it out, the difference in the two cases is the police response. And that is the racial issue! When the situations are reversed, a black will be charged right away. A white will not always be. (Google Brandon Gotwalt. Almost the same situation, no charge. Now google Daniel Adkins. Big difference.)

The black kids who set the white kid on fire were found right away and charged. Things are working as they should be. There are 100s of hate crimes every year, and only the most egregious situations make national news. What was egregious here was the government not applying the law evenly, and not even charging the guy. It's basically the same thing (not charging) that happened with the Danziger cops in New Orleans during Katrina: Kill a minority, no charge. Plus the cops do it all the time too -- but that's so [sadly] normal it doesn't rise to to the same volume as the Zimmerman case.

Re:Talk about media bias (-1, Flamebait)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651287)

Right, because OJ got what he deserved /sarcasm

Sharpton rouses the liberal media into thinking that if you look white, and have harmed a minority, then it's automatically a hate crime. A wannabe cop committed a crime, and it should be charged just as such. There is no evidence of "hate" here.

Re:Talk about media bias (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651363)

Zimmerman is as white as Obama. (They are both half white.)

Re:Talk about media bias (1)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651229)

It garnered (not garnished) national media attention because of the way the police and DA ignored it. Zimmerman was allowed to go home, with his weapon, and then the police and DA mostly forgot about it entirely.

If Zimmerman was a black man and Trayvon a white teenager, do you think that would have happened?

Re:Talk about media bias (1)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651331)

But the point is he isn't white, he's hispanic.

Re:Talk about media bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651265)

where the fuck were you when that happen? sitting on your ass doing nothing. you seem to want others to fight your battles for you. jackass.

Re:Talk about media bias (1)

Cazekiel (1417893) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651283)

When two black teens set a white kid on fire, a clear hate crime, it hardly gets a column in the local news.

The reasons for stories like Trayvon's getting out as they do is that there's not just political intervention, but an angry village behind the push. I'm kind of tired of the argument that this is "way overblown", and tit-for-tat crap. When I posted in facebook about how I was going to the nearby Trayvon march, someone asked "Why are they having one here?" I told him that it was a nationwide event in many cities, to which he said it was "overblown" and that "there are issues that no on is doing anything about in the meantime."

My response to him--and to you--is that if you feel passionately about a cause, then DO something about it. If you don't, you one of those nobodies who does nothing you're criticizing. So take your story there and start a petition, or organize a protest that gives the matter serious attention. Whether or not that works, you've done something about it, right?

Re:Talk about media bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651293)

so you're saying that because the media paid attention to the case, Zimmerman should not be arrested and tried in court? and that because Trayvon has pictures of him that show him in "scary black man" poses, he somehow deserved to die?

Re:Talk about media bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651321)

That one photo labeled fake isn't the only fake photo on there, and if you're disturbed or scared of someone flipping the camera the bird then you're awful sheltered and easily frightened. There's nothing in those pictures you posted, any of them, fake and not fake, that screams "I am a mean and vicious person." Your post and sentiment, however, screams "I'm afraid of black people, look how scummy this kid looks! The audacity of this kid!"

ClintJCL explains it pretty well, you would do well to listen to him and also stop blaming a victim just because those pictures happen to frighten you.

Re:Talk about media bias (3, Insightful)

matunos (1587263) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651351)

Wow. Can't help but feed the troll here. Where to start? Let's see... your link to a story that 'hardly gets a column in the local news' is a link to the NY Daily Post about an event in Kansas City. A simple google search shows various other coverage of the case. And a big difference in that case: the police were *actually looking to arrest the perpetrators* (whether they've caught them or not is not clear).

The Trayvon Davis story blew up because of how it was mishandled between the police and the DA. If they had arrested Zimmerman from the start, even if he ended getting off on a self-defense claim, it wouldn't have been as big. It would be a footnote in the list of reasons why an overbroad "Stand Your Ground" law is a bad idea.

And, even if the attack in KC was mishandled similarly, what's that have to do with the Davis case? Outrage would be warranted in both cases.

But yeah, your recent photos of Trayvon (including one fake one) convince me. He flipped the bird at a web cam! And he's black! Death for the hoodlum! Wait, you know what? I need to see a photo of the suspect in a suit. If you can produce one of those, then I'll really be convinced.

I'll give you this though: you really have provided clear support for that Einstein quote in your sig.

Re:Talk about media bias (4, Insightful)

nbauman (624611) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651399)

Recent photos of Trayvon: http://i39.tinypic.com/1yvg5h.jpg [tinypic.com]

So what's your point? If somebody looks like this, he somehow deserves to get shot?

WTF IS THIS DOING ON SLASHTARD? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651089)

geez louise, this site is sucking monkey balls!

Nerdy point: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651105)

"and but does". Yeah.

"the neighborhood watch volunteer" (2, Insightful)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651133)

He was not a neighborhood watch volunteer. He had no affiliation with any organization, no training and this whole tragedy stemmed from his disregard for standard neighborhood watch procedure.

He was an armed vigilante.

Re:"the neighborhood watch volunteer" (1)

matunos (1587263) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651375)

Actually, he did apparently organize some neighborhood watch activities, according to the NY Times article on this.

The rest of your criticisms are spot on, though.

Not apropriate for slashdot (-1, Redundant)

lanner (107308) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651141)

Sorry, this isn't Slashdot worthy. There are some things that affect lots of people that are sometimes slashdot worthy, but this isn't one of them. This story is about media baiting the gullible public (and how they are) into following a story. This is just another OJ.

Loose ends (1)

Ken_g6 (775014) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651143)

TFS isn't tied up well because it's missing a "not".

"Second-degree murder is typically brought in cases when there is a fight or other confrontation that results in death and but does not involve a premeditated plan to kill."

Re:Loose ends (2)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651263)

TFS isn't tied up well because it's missing a "not". "Second-degree murder is typically brought in cases when there is a fight or other confrontation that results in death and but does not involve a premeditated plan to kill."

And but you totally missed the absurd use of "and but", whether there is a "not" missing or.

not news.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651147)

....human beings get killed every day. this trevor martin kid was no different

drug dealer excuses (0)

k6mfw (1182893) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651163)

While interviewing various people (PBS Nightly News last week I think), one of the interviewees (sp?) said what happens frequently is a drug dealer will shoot at another, the other drug dealer returns fire but bullets hit innocent bystander. The drug dealer returning fire will say to police he was defending himself so no charges are placed, which illustrated problems with "stand your ground" law.

Re:drug dealer excuses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651279)

Maybe Florida is a bit off (it is Florida, after all) - but that sounds like a large load of crap. There's a reason any "gun nut" you talk to will recommend very specific weapons for home defense (for example) - lolselfdefense isn't a valid excuse for collateral damage.

Slashdot: Please fire samzenpus! (0, Troll)

arcade (16638) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651167)

Zimmerman? Is that some US guy?

Can someone please fire the moronic US-centered slashdot-editors that has no geeky credentials whatsoever? Like samzenpus? Please?

The entire zimmerman-case has NOTHING to do with geeky news.

Re:Slashdot: Please fire samzenpus! (4, Funny)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651237)

Well, they both had a cell phone. Maybe this was the first casualty in the Android - iPhone war.

Shit just got real.

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651187)

This is a local matter. Keep the damn politics off of slashdot... unless it involves technology.

This is out of control (5, Interesting)

VinylRecords (1292374) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651203)

Someone put six bullet holes, last night they shot up, a parked police car that was left near the scene of the shooting. The message being that violence against the police is coming if they don't arrest Zimmerman and charge him with murder. They shot up a cop car. As if that neighborhood didn't need a reason for a neighborhood watch now they have guys firing live rounds into police cars? That's a safe neighborhood?

The amount of media coverage. International press. 24/7 news cycle. The constant lies. "Zimmerman is white". Showing images of Trayvon Martin when he was only 12 and not 17 (and 6'3"). Editing the 911 call from Zimmerman to make him seem racist. The media wants a circus. A race riot. They want another OJ trial, or Rodney King riot, or Casey Anthony or Amanda Knox level ratings. Who cares if the guy is innocent or guilty or whatever. What's most important is getting ratings and possibly causing a race riot.

And now we have the political pressure. Elections. Press. Appealing to the base. Even Obama had to give his opinion. "If I had a son he'd look like Trayon". Please Mr. President throw more gasoline on the fire. This is before Obama knew of the facts of the case. Just like when Obama blurted out an opinion about the cop who arrested the Harvard professor and then ended up having to have beer at the White House with the both of them. Will Obama have a beer with George Zimmerman?

This event is exposing the worst of this country. A perfect storm of all that is wrong with where we are today. The media being anything but objective. The politics doing nothing but making everything racial and partisan. And the overwhelming majority of citizens ignoring the facts and rushing to judgement.

Re:This is out of control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651365)

As someone who wanted to see Zimmerman arrested, I concur. Too many people on all sides of the issue have lost sight of what this is really about and the media spin has been abominable.

Re:This is out of control (0)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651377)

Will Obama have a beer with George Zimmerman?

Sure, when they are both in prison together ;-)

Re:This is out of control (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651383)

Watch Fox News much? Your willful ignorance of the facts is amazing. The police attempted to ignore the "facts" of this case and cover it up from day one. The lies started with the lack of an investigation and lies in their reports of the incident.

While I don't agree with vigilante violence or retaliation, maybe people shot up the cop car because they're tired of seeing yet another white guy get away with killing someone simply because that someone isn't white. The cops involved did a horrible job. Whenever the FBI and the DoJ needs to step in to ensure a proper investigation, 99% of the time there is massive official misconduct involved. It's rare that there isn't.

Regardless, If that kid had been white, this would have been handled radically differently from the first response by the cops.

Re:This is out of control (4, Insightful)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651395)

Someone put six bullet holes, last night they shot up, a parked police car that was left near the scene of the shooting. The message being that violence against the police is coming if they don't arrest Zimmerman and charge him with murder. They shot up a cop car. As if that neighborhood didn't need a reason for a neighborhood watch now they have guys firing live rounds into police cars? That's a safe neighborhood?

It stopped being a safe neighborhood when armed vigilantes started stalking the streets, harassing people based on their suspicious blackness, and killing them when they legitimately stand their own ground against threatening behavior.

The police didn't want to nip that in the bud, so now they have an even bigger problem. I hope they get off their asses and establish sanity with a minimum of further violence.

Re:This is out of control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651435)

It's called a lynching. The US has a long history of it. Thank our "activists" for making it legitimate again.

Based on the (actual) 911 transcript (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651217)

I am really curious to know what evidence they have to justify a second degree murder charge.

Re:Based on the (actual) 911 transcript (2)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651441)

I am really curious to know what evidence they have to justify a second degree murder charge.

He clearly precipitated the confrontation, and there is no question that subsequently he killed somone. Pretty cut and dry. Whether he will be found guilty remains to be seen.

Come on slashdot!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651223)

I come here to get away from this kind of stuff. Can we Please get back to the geek stuff? Or maybe it's time I just found somewhere else to lurk.

Stop posting this shit samzenpus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651245)

There should be a way to moderate asshats who insist on posting !news for nerds articles.

Take this off of Slashdot please (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651247)

This does not belong on Slashdot. Please take it off.

- Nerd

Article NOT slashdot worthy (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651273)

This is not a slashdot worth story. I'd be really sad if I had to stop reading this site due to irrelevant articles.

In related news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651319)

Charley Manson was denied parole... I know...equally irrelevant to you pasty white nerds, but what the hell...

Not a crime to be an asshole (0)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651325)

Zim was an asshole, but baring any new evidence of direct discrimination, he will probably walk. There are just not enough details on the confrontation for a conviction. We don't know who said what to who or who attacked first.

I hope they can at least get a civil suit against him. Those have a lower burden of evidence.

You can tell from the 911 recording he wanted to be Clint Eastwood and was itching for showdown, and he got one. Kick him in the wallet.

booooooooo hissssssssss! (0)

quackPOT (100330) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651339)

This bullshit submission has zero merit for being on this site.

A more relevant article would be a video of the submitter receiving 20 lashes from the Cat-5-O-Nine-tails [laughingsquid.com] !!

Why is this shit on Slashdot? (0)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#39651385)

Yes, we get general news online and there is no reason to put it here.

Who the fuck would miss this item if it were NOT on Slashdot?

The lack of justice is the real travesty. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39651453)

If someone is shot and killed an investigation is necessary for the justice of the dead. Even if the dead kid was guilty of vicious assault and the shooter is found to be completely and unquestionably justified in his use of a firearm for self defense the lack of an investigation; the lack of an investigation is an injustice to the dead.

It's clear that a combination of the PD's layzness, defacto/latent racism, and this "Stand your ground" law have lead to this complete circus. People are justifiably outraged because there was no investigation when there clearly should have been one. A proper investigation may have been able to clear Zimmerman's name.

This is why "Stand your ground" laws are bad. Someone who uses a firearm in self defense may think they are being served, but in reality justice is being denied. Both for them, and for whoever takes the bullet. This case is proof.

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