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Why the Middle East Is a Good Place For Women Tech Entrepreneurs

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the unexpected-sales-pitch dept.

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pbahra writes "Conferences for start-ups and entrepreneurs often feature 'pitch contests,' slots in which aspiring entrepreneurs take to the stage to sell their ideas to the audience. Last month's ArabNet conference, held in the Lebanese capital, was no different. What was different, however, was the number of pitches from female entrepreneurs. The stereotype has it that women in the Middle East are subjugated, oppressed and barely let out of their houses. But if that is the case, how come 40% of the pitches were from women—a higher percentage than is typical in equivalent conferences held in Europe? Nor was this closer-to-equal representation of women unique to ArabNet--other conferences in the region boast similar ratios."

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Soooo.... (3, Insightful)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656793)

How many of them still had their clitoris?

Re:Soooo.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39656951)

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm [thereligionofpeace.com]

Muslims are encouraged to lie to get their cult accepted. Any 'fact' about islam should be presumed false unless it was witnessed first hand by a proper infidel.

Re:Soooo.... (0)

digitig (1056110) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657387)

Have you actually followed up any of the references on that page? For example, the verse that allegedly claims that "Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie." is actually about testimony under duress not being valid. It's just an anti-Islamic disinformation site.

Re:Soooo.... (1, Informative)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658369)

Of course he hasn't. That would require effort, not to mention a mind open at least enough to admit the possibility that his preconceived notions about Islam might be incorrect. Can't have that now, can we?

Re:Soooo.... (5, Insightful)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658283)

Troll? Seriously? Because the Middle East is such a hotbed of advances in the area of women's rights, I suppose.
Yes, yes. It's not fair to paint the entire region with one brush, but to even remotely suggest that the region, in general, isn't still influenced heavily by ass-backwards, women hating, religious fucktards is to miss a stupendously obvious reality. I'd say the same about Tennessee, but I think women get a moderately better shake there.

so they can pitch just not drive cars... (5, Informative)

johnjones (14274) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656805)

Women driving has been a controversial issue in Saudi Arabia since 1990 when 47 women got into 14 cars and drove on to a main street in Riyadh. They were stopped, suspended from work for two years and condemned for years in religious sermons and social circles....

honestly

 

Re:so they can pitch just not drive cars... (2, Funny)

misexistentialist (1537887) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657339)

In the US it's repeated again and again that "driving is a privilege, not a right". Many men also are forbidden to drive by their ex-wives.

Re:so they can pitch just not drive cars... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657829)

Driving IS a privilege. But it's one thing to earn your privileges and another to be granted them because you've born in the correct sex.

Re:so they can pitch just not drive cars... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657877)

Many men also are forbidden to drive by their ex-wives.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?

Re:so they can pitch just not drive cars... (1)

jesseck (942036) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658097)

He lost the car in the divorce...

Re:so they can pitch just not drive cars... (0)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657933)

Many men are forbidden to drive by their ex-wives? Where? The only cases I know of is where I live the state takes your drivers license if you are a deadbeat dad who doesn't pay child support.

Re:so they can pitch just not drive cars... (1)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658021)

Many men are forbidden to drive by their ex-wives? Where? The only cases I know of is where I live the state takes your drivers license if you are a deadbeat dad who doesn't pay child support.

...said the happily married man who's never been through a messy divorce and lost most of his property.

Re:so they can pitch just not drive cars... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39658591)

...

...said the happily married man who's never been through a messy divorce and lost most of his property.

or the man who doesn't have to pay over 45% of his net pay (yes, 45% of your take home for two kids in daycare - 25% of gross to child support plus an additional amount to daycare and health expenses since those aren't covered by the 25%) to child support. Now lets talk about alimony...I have to attempt to live on approximately 25% of my net pay of $85K. Luckily I live in the cleveland area so I can just get a studio in the bad parts of town (though my car continually gets vandalized...)

As Arab cities go... (4, Informative)

HBI (604924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656815)

Beirut isn't very Arab. It's close to 40% Christian.

Re:As Arab cities go... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39656877)

Shh!!! You're not supposed to soil the narrative.

Re:As Arab cities go... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657087)

So, as one AC to another, can you tell me why the Left in America, who goes into apoplectic fits if anyone should even suggest women pay for their own birth control, so easily falls in line with the Islamic radicals? Who, by the way do subjugate women in all things, treat them like property, worse, disposable property?

In fact, the accusations embodied in the made up "War on women" pale in comparison with the treatment of women in Islam, yet the Left is a happy and eager advocate for Islamic causes.

What say you AC?

Re:As Arab cities go... (0, Flamebait)

fruviad (5032) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657135)

Can you tell me why you are not brave enough to post such nonsense under a real account?

"Coward" applies in your case. Along with a number of other adjectives I won't add for fear of young children seeing them...

Re:As Arab cities go... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657337)

AHh...the first Islamic motherfucker shows his colors.

I wish I could have divorced my wife by shouting some shit three times in public. But I can't speak jackass.

Say, did you know Mohammed was a child molester and enjoyed carnal relations with animals? Yeah, he was a real fun guy at a party! (he was a drunk too ya know).

Uh Oh, I think fruviad is about to strap a bomb to himself and go visit a shopping center!

Re:As Arab cities go... (1)

NoSleepDemon (1521253) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658035)

Don't presume he'd go to all that effort for the likes of you.

Re:As Arab cities go... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657457)

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Islamists are against the American way of life. Just like the Left.

Re:As Arab cities go... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657467)

Culture war. The "Left" will sacrifice for the greater good of their twisted and evil vision for mankind. The left is caught in an eternal struggle between morality and self-defined liberation from all ethics. Their behavior is self destructive not only to themselves but a moral society at large. So you can't fight it, therefore it must be purged. Destruction before rebirth in a new vision. A vision of darkness and despair.

In other words, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Re:As Arab cities go... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657545)

1. Liberals don't want anyone to pay for someone else's birth control. We want women to pay for their own, through their insurance. Since shopping around for insurance is generally infeasible, we want to make sure that insurers do not discriminate against women's sexual health.

2. Liberals do not fall in line with Islamic radicals. Liberals denounce and campaign against many elements of extremist religions, including Islam. Liberals fight for women's rights around the world. However:

A. Liberals do not lump all Muslims into a faceless, extremist block. There are lots of Muslims that adhere to humanist views on gender, sexual orientation, politics, and religion. Yes, there are many extremist Muslims, and many poor and undereducated Muslims that are taken advantage of in extremist societies. But Liberals recognize that Islam isn't the root of these issues, it's just that in some cases is a tool by which its adherents are exploited. We would rather solve the root causes (poverty, inequality, inadequate education) than attack Islam itself.

B. Liberals do not believe that bombing Middle Eastern countries is the best way to address those root causes of extremism.

Re:As Arab cities go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657687)

We want women to pay for their own, through their insurance.

That you cannot see the self evident contradiction here is either amazing or sadly, par for the course.

Re:As Arab cities go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657997)

There is no contradiction. Insurance serves two purposes:

1. Risk abatement for unexpected, catastrophic expenses. Everybody receives the same potential benefit, though gladly most people will end up not needing it.

2. Purchasing power for everyday items. A large group has more power to negotiate favorable rates for services and products.

You don't understand insurance if you think it means your expenses are paid by someone else.

Re:As Arab cities go... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39658513)

#1 defines Health Insurance.

#2 is Health Care

You don't understand Insurance at all. If you want to join some co-op that pools purchasing power to provide cheaper prices, fine, do that. Just don't call it insurance.

Re:As Arab cities go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39656921)

It's also not in Arabia.

Re:As Arab cities go... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39656943)

Those Christians are also Arabs.

Re:As Arab cities go... (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657053)

That's not necessarily true. There is a rich ethnic mix in Lebanon, one of the reasons why there is so much fighting there.

Re:As Arab cities go... (5, Insightful)

operagost (62405) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657325)

Correct. Islam is the main problem. The Qur'an says that beating women is a step in the process of obtaining obedience, and there are several references in the Hadith of women being inferior.

Re:As Arab cities go... (5, Informative)

operagost (62405) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657753)

Would the person who modded me "troll" please point out where my information is incorrect? Read the sayings of Mohammed as recorded by Al Bukhari: "A nation headed by a woman shall never succeed"; "If I have commanded kneeling for somebody, I would command a woman to kneel for her husband", "Women lack brain and religion". And the Qur'an, I think it's in Sura 5, "As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of other punishment)." Don't deny the truth.

Re:As Arab cities go... (2)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658229)

You could be God Almighty himself and be marked as "troll". The moderation has nothing to do with the facts. It has everything to do with whether or not you pissed someone off with mod points.

Not that I agree with it, just telling you how it is.

Re:As Arab cities go... (3, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658569)

Would the person who modded me "troll" please point out where my information is incorrect? Read the sayings of Mohammed as recorded by Al Bukhari: "A nation headed by a woman shall never succeed"; "If I have commanded kneeling for somebody, I would command a woman to kneel for her husband", "Women lack brain and religion". And the Qur'an, I think it's in Sura 5, "As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of other punishment)." Don't deny the truth.

You can split hairs about this all day long but in the end it is pointless to make fundamentalist arguments like "if the Quran tells you to do <some misogynistic act> all moslems must be following that instruction mindlessly". This is especially true because the Bible is full of similar misogynistic and inhumane crap. When was the last time you saw a couple guilty of adultery begin stoned to death at the city gates? (That little gem came from Deuteronomy 22:23-24) Both the Quaran and the Bible were written in very different times long ago and that fact should kept in mind when reading either text. If you really want to convince us that all moslems take every archaic passage in the Qaran seriously then we must by the same logic also argue that all christians do as well. Thankfully most moslems and christians (apart from some die-hard fundies) do not take everything written in the Quaran literally and implement every crazy thing that is written in scripture. Only brainless fundies do that.

Re:As Arab cities go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657819)

You mean like Judges 19:25 or 1 Corinthians 11:3. Yawn. At best western society is 2 generations ahead of the middle east in its treatment of women. While it's not right, we certainly can't look down on them for it.

Re:As Arab cities go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39658269)

"At best western society is 2 generations ahead of the middle east in its treatment of women."

Really? The Wyoming state constitution recognized the right of women to vote, from the day it was ratfied. I think Wyoming became a state more than two generations ago.

And while most citizens of the United States identify themselves as Christian, most of them do not take verses of the Bible that subjugate women literally, or advocate putting the force of law behind those verses. For example, even a conservative religious group like Focus on the Family has never supported a law that would require a husband to open a bank account for his wife, or a law forbidding women to drive.

Just because Western culture has not completely progressed to the point where women are treated with complete equality, doesn't mean we're only "two generations" ahead of the Islamic world. And just because the United States was founded on selected Christian principles doesn't mean that we have codified into law all of the oppressive commands that can be found in the Bible. If the posted is capable of thinking in shades of grey, now might be a good time to start.

Re:As Arab cities go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657931)

How stupid do you have to be to treat Arab and Christian as mutually exclusive properties?

Re:As Arab cities go... (2)

LittleVito (625033) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657967)

Beirut isn't very Arab. It's close to 40% Christian.

I think you mean isn't very Muslim, not Arab. The Christians in Beirut are still Arabs.

Re:As Arab cities go... (4, Informative)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657993)

"Arab" is an ethnic group, not a religion. It's more than possible to be an "Arab Christian," (typical Copt), just as it is to be an "Hispanic Jew."

Re:As Arab cities go... (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658357)

The Maronites aren't Arabs, amongst others. Go elsewhere in SWA, and you'll find Arab and Muslim are synonymous.

Re:As Arab cities go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39658029)

Beirut isn't very Arab. It's close to 40% Christian.

You are mixing religion and ethnicity/geography. The 40% of Christians in Lebanon are Arabs. They are just not muslims.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians

Re:As Arab cities go... (1)

Beetle B. (516615) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658143)

Beirut isn't very Arab. It's close to 40% Christian.

Your statement is a textbook example of ignorance related to the Middle East. Arab's aren't Muslims. They're Arabs. Most of those Christians are Arabs.

And to the person who commented that they're a mix of ethnicities: That's equally true about the Muslims in Beirut.

Re:As Arab cities go... (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658349)

Textbook example of ignorance? My ass. I've been, you probably haven't. Most Arab states go the extra mile (or kilometer) to make sure that every native person is a Muslim. The confusion isn't 'random' or from 'bias', it's actively conspired at. Besides which, the inhabitants of Lebanon are NOT always Arabs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Lebanon [wikipedia.org]

Now stop being a fucking ignorant idiot, ok?

Re:As Arab cities go... (1)

Beetle B. (516615) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658445)

Most Arab states go the extra mile (or kilometer) to make sure that every native person is a Muslim.

We're talking about Lebanon, not most Arab states.

Not sure what your point in providing the Wikipedia link is. It doesn't indicate that most Christians in Lebanon are non-Arabs. More importantly, it doesn't indicate that the % of non-Arab Christians differs significantly from the % of non-Arab Muslims in Lebanon.

Re:As Arab cities go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39658263)

It's close to 40% Christian

So if you're a woman tech entrepreneur, this is the only place (other than Israel) that you could actually be heard.

Saying it's a sterotype isn't saying it's not true (4, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656829)

The stereotype has it that women in the Middle East are subjugated, oppressed and barely let out of their houses.

In Saudi Arabia, that's *not* just a stereotype. Not to say that Saudi Arabia is representative of the entire region. But let's not pretend that more pitches from women at some conference makes it okay for one of the largest countries of the region to still tell women they can't drive, vote, show their faces in public, or even leave their house without male escort.

Re:Saying it's a sterotype isn't saying it's not t (4, Informative)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656899)

Don't forget get being beating, raped and even murdered with the tacit approval of the society and the law.

Re:Saying it's a sterotype isn't saying it's not t (1)

AshtangiMan (684031) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657155)

Worse than using sa to characterize the region is doing so with Lebanon.

Re:Saying it's a sterotype isn't saying it's not t (4, Interesting)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657351)

A female VP from a major defense contractor was made to wait outside a contract signing not too long ago. A male subordinate sat at the event in her stead.

And that's supposedly the way women can be treated by the business classes. I certainly would think twice before I subjected myself to such a culture. If you can be a successful entrepreneur, you would provably also succeed in a much more favorable culture.

Re:Saying it's a sterotype isn't saying it's not t (2)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657451)

They better hope that oil lasts forever. Because that's about the only thing that makes anyone want to do business there now.

Re:Saying it's a sterotype isn't saying it's not t (1)

Beetle B. (516615) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658271)

And that's supposedly the way women can be treated by the business classes. I certainly would think twice before I subjected myself to such a culture. If you can be a successful entrepreneur, you would provably also succeed in a much more favorable culture.

What you say is true, but a few decades ago women enterpreneurs often faced similar exclusion in the US in the business world. Thankfully, that didn't stop people from investing in the US. And thankfully, it won't stop them from doing so in the Middle East.

Re:Saying it's a sterotype isn't saying it's not t (1)

Beetle B. (516615) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658247)

In Saudi Arabia, that's *not* just a stereotype.

It is the stereotype. Please educate yourself on the meaning of the word. Being a stereotype does not mean that it's a misconception.

But let's not pretend that more pitches from women at some conference makes it okay for one of the largest countries of the region to still tell women they can't drive, vote, show their faces in public, or even leave their house without male escort.

And let's not pretend that the article is suggesting that it's OK for women not to drive, vote, etc. Your comment is essentially the same as responding to any positive aspect of the US with "Yes, but let's not pretend it makes it OK for them to invade other countries."

And oh, BTW, name one Arab country that bans women from showing their face in public (with citation). I happen to have lived in Saudi Arabia, and most women don't cover their face in public. And not all of them had male escorts.
 

False choice fallacy (5, Insightful)

sideslash (1865434) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656835)

Both may be true -- that this conference was friendly to women running startups, and also that women in many parts of the Middle East are drastically subjugated versus women in at last European and American countries. Who wrote this summary, anyway, and with what agenda?

Re:False choice fallacy (1)

sideslash (1865434) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656845)

at last => at least

Re:False choice fallacy (3, Insightful)

alexander_686 (957440) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656961)

I agree. To elaborate. From the article: “Home working also allows women to combine their traditional roles of homemaker and mother, with being an entrepreneur.”

It’s not unusual for women to run business – but I find this sentence telling. There is a difference between starting a good solid small business and a start up.

The first is basically about creating a job for yourself. It may be a restaurant, day care, or a small professional business (lawyer, hair stylist, whatever ) but it’s about creating a job for yourself that lets you manage your life /work balance.

The second is about putting in long hours for months at a time to hit that grand slam.

This is, of course, a continuum between the two. I am just surprised that the submitter and article is pitching it this way. Are these woman truly liberality if they are forced into the shallow end of the pool? Small, home businesses are great, but it’s the lower end of the entrepreneurial market.

Re:False choice fallacy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657209)

To make explicit an answer to that question: the summary was written by someone working at the WSJ. Make of that what agenda you will.

Re:False choice fallacy (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657329)

Who wrote this summary, anyway, and with what agenda?

Yeah, I second that. Took me a few minutes to figure out that this isn't a story about 'Middle Earth'.

I hate that sort of thing early in the morning.

Re:False choice fallacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657445)

Who wrote this summary, anyway, and with what agenda?

What's worse, why in the hell was this drivel of an article pushed to the front page?

TFA answers the summary's question. (4, Informative)

Internal Modem (1281796) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656873)

TFA answers the question: "Home working also allows women to combine their traditional roles of homemaker and mother, with being an entrepreneur. " So they are able to fulfill their expected roles. Also, "...most of the female entrepreneurs at the conference were young and had spent time in Europe, the U.S. or Australia." Many of them have more permissive families.

Re:TFA answers the summary's question. (2)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657179)

Ya how the hell did this garbage make it onto slashdot, it's sexist and misleading.

Re:TFA answers the summary's question. (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657353)

Don't you love it when you answer your own question?

Re:TFA answers the summary's question. (4, Funny)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657395)

No, kidding. It looks like it was written by some Saudi prince who thinks that imprisoning his wife in his house is liberating, as long as he lets her run a mail order business and only beats her once a month instead of once a week.

unpossible (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39656939)

Results must be fabricated, there is nobody who gains billions in financial and billions more in military aid distorting the portrayal of arabs and persians in the american jewsmedia

Ya know... (3, Insightful)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656945)

I'll bet they'd be in an even better position if they were in countries/cultures where they didn't have to worry about being stoned to death and could drive themselves to meetings. But that's just me.

Re:Ya know... (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657147)

You mean like lebanon where this meeting took place?
Not all of the Middle East is Saudi Arabia. Yet, the US backs Saudi Arabia while they do these things and threatens to attack Iran who does not.

Re:Ya know... (2)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657497)

No, Lebanon is not your typical Arab or Persian country. Try holding that conference in Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen , Iran, Kuwait, Afghanistan or Pakistan. Or pretty much any country that has an overwhelming Islamic majority. As posted before, Lebanon is nearly 40% Christian.

Re:Ya know... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658303)

Even among the countries you list there are huge differences. Saudi Arabia is pretty much the worst in the in bunch you list, unless we are comparing Riyadh to a cave in the mountains of Pakistan or Afghanistan. The Iranians are among the best in that list, yet compared to the west still terrible. At least they allow women to drive.

Turkey has an overwhelming Islamic majority and no such problems.

Your generalizations are pretty much worthless and borderline racist. Like most such generalizations.

Re:Ya know... (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658479)

The only reason Turkey doesn't yet have those problems is because for generations it was run by secularists. The Islamic party currently running the joint has been slowing re-establishing Islamic control of society. I give them another 10 years before they too sink into the human rights abyss that is Islam.

Re:Ya know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657343)

The question still remains why apparently women are more inclined at taking up tech entrepreneurship over there than in the West though.

Re:Ya know... (1)

Ryanrule (1657199) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657439)

Cause marrying a rich guy isnt as much fun as in the west.

Re:Ya know... (2)

ppanon (16583) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657777)

The cultural context is probably a big part of it. In many Arab nations the "proper manly" work is running businesses, and as a result the technical and scientific fields are not as popular with men and have a much higher female representation than in the West (where women are culturally expected to be poor at maths, the gateway to technical careers, with that cultural expectation acting as a self-fulfiling prophecy). Thus, since you have a higher proportion of women with the requisite technical training, it's not surprising that you would have a similarly high proportion (or even higher, when their mobility and work options are restricted) acting as entrepreneurs.

Pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39656953)

Woohoo, a large minority of people pitching ideas were women! See? All better now!..... I'm appalled by the tone of this summary. Whether it's a stereotype and it's in fact a small minority of women who are oppressed, don't you dare try to claim one bloody conference demonstrates that it is not a serious problem.

Re:Pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657131)

As they say in Saudi Arabia, "we may beat and subjugate our women, but hey! they are dressed in the finest Hijabs in the world!"

Feminists, hear! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39656967)

Hear hear all feminist entrepeneurs!

1. Move to the Middle East
2. ????
3. Profit!!!

Re:Feminists, hear! (0)

jimmifett (2434568) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657033)

yes, feminists, please move to middle east.
thanks.

-Manly Men

Re:Feminists, hear! (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657181)

Hillary Rosen specifically.

Re:Feminists, hear! (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657199)

Just don't move in a car, or without male escort, or without wearing a head-to-toe burqua.

can't drive, can't vote, give your $ to a dude (1)

jsepeta (412566) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656969)

Middle Eastern men still rule the household, which means their women have no rights. So being a businesswoman is not incongruous with other aspects of their lives, such as not being able to drive, or vote, or attend school. I'm sure many women from the Middle East are excited about expressing their limited freedom through entrepreneurship.

However, not enough people call Islamists on their bluff - it was never God's will to subjugate women, no matter what their ridiculous heretical Mohammed said or wrote. Slavery is in the mind, and until women around the globe are free to do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, and however the way they please, they'll still be slaves to men.

Re:can't drive, can't vote, give your $ to a dude (1)

misexistentialist (1537887) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657319)

free to do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, and however the way they please

That's not freedom

Re:can't drive, can't vote, give your $ to a dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657833)

Slavery is in the mind, and until women around the globe are free to do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, and however the way they please, they'll still be slaves to men.

Like not being told by men that they must use birth control and procure abortions? Let's respect women and not force them to take a bunch of harmful chemicals.

Laughter is the boat which carries THE MARK! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39656971)

"Everything we see has some hidden message. A lot of awful messages are coming in under the radar - subliminal consumer messages, all kinds of politically incorrect messages..." - Harold Ramis

In my opinion, here's one of many in your face movies programming us, conditioning us, to the coming Mark of The Beast (Never accept the mark). People quote it and just laauuugh it up while, IMO, it's a VIRUS for the MIND:

Idiocracy (2006)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ [imdb.com]

*** The mark ***
Doctor: Why come you got no tattoo?

IPPA Computer: Welcome to the Identity Processsing Program of Uhmerica! Please insert your forearm into the forearm receptacle!
[Joe inserts his arm]
IPPA Computer: Thank you! Please speak your name as it appears on your current federal identity card, document G24L8!
Pvt. Joe Bowers: I'm not sure if...
IPPA Computer: You have entered the name "Not Sure." Is this correct, Not Sure?
Pvt. Joe Bowers: No, it's not correct...
IPPA Computer: Thank you! "Not" is correct. Is "Sure" correct?
Pvt. Joe Bowers: No, it's not, my name is Joe...
IPPA Computer: You have already confirmed your first name is "Not." Please confirm your last name, "Sure."
Pvt. Joe Bowers: My last name is not "Sure!"
IPPA Computer: Thank you, Not Sure!
Pvt. Joe Bowers: No, what I mean is my name is Joe...
IPPA Computer: Confirmation is complete. Please wait while I tattoo your new identity on your arm!

*** Slavery and money worship while wearing the mark ***
[repeated line]
Frito: I like money.
Frito: I can't believe you like money too. We should hang out.

That whole, dumb movie is, IMO, a blueprint of what's to come. They want us dumb, they want us stupid, they want us to accept everything they shove down our throats! They want us to laugh at this and PSYOP communications within such innocent programs, IMO, like, The Simpsons, where EVERYTHING and EVERYONE are funny and what is really serious?

Tommorow's advertisements:
[Billboard Ad]: If you don't smoke Tarryltons... Fuck You!

Pay close attention to the jailing process and the mark in the movie.

=
ON THE SAME SUBJECT, THE RACE TO THE MARK:

43,000 Brazilian Students Will Be Required to Wear Locator Chips on their Uniforms

By VC | March 28th, 2012

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/43000-brazilian-students-will-be-required-to-wear-locator-chips-on-their-uniforms/ [vigilantcitizen.com]

A bit misleading. (1)

Haxagon (2454432) | more than 2 years ago | (#39656973)

This article should be titled "Why is the Middle East a Good Place for Female Tech Entrepreneurs?", instead of the current title. The current one suggests that there would be an immediate answer.

Re:A bit misleading. (1)

yotto (590067) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657143)

The title also uses the word "women" where it should use "female" as you do.

mod d0wn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657075)

Lay down paper charnel h0use. ! The

they found a way around it (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657097)

Its called the internet. They are stuck at home. And while the husband is off doing his thing, they are online. I know their countries block and monitor and filter, but just like any reasonably intelligent person can do, they're finding some level of freedom and gaining power through the power of the internet. So, that mage you've been flirting with really isnt a 40yo male living in the basement of his parents home. Its a hot middle eastern house wife just waiting to having her inner animal released. ;)

Best case: badly misinformed, worst case: ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657127)

If it weren't for Hizbullah and other lovely features of Lebanon, Lebanon would be at peace with the regions startup powerhouse, Israel. Where women actually have full political and legal rights.

Holding up a conference where 40% of the people pitching ideas for capital, as the "usual" case throughout the arab world is either mind numbingly naive, or profoundly disingenuous. It is precisely because women have so few rights, see Saudia Arabia, Yemen, Gaza, ... for example, that this is unique.

It doesn't make this bad. Actually this should be encouraged. Along with more educational opportunities for women. And more options for their entering the work force. And more maintaining control and responsibility for their own lives and health, including their reproductive health. These things are known to help elevate 3rd world countries quality of life, and increase all aspects that you and I might call "good things" in society, including tolerance, democracy, etc.

But with militant islam on the march, taking over whole countries in the ME, one should despair of these hard won gains in any society that demands women "take the veil". Progress is about to be walked back, in an alarming way, throughout the recent "arab spring" countries.

Its a matter of perception. The ME is viewed, apart from Israel, as being largely a backward and hostile place for women. And this is because, in reality, it is the rule that it is a backward and hostile place towards women, rather than the occasional exception you indicated. Lebanon, apart from the 800 pound gorilla in Hizbullah, should be as peaceful and prosperous as Israel, and should be friendly with Israel, so it wouldn't surprise me to see more women in startups and trying to pitch startups ... as is done in Israel. But Lebanon, like many of the other states in the region has these various 800 pound gorillas. Progress is on hold until they are put out to pasture, and their influence wanes.

Don't believe the propaganda (0)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657139)

The news in the west is completely anti-Arab. Don't believe what the mainstream media says about them (none of it is all true, and a surprising amount is complete lies/so exaggerated that it might as well be a complete lie).

Re:Don't believe the propaganda (1)

gooner666 (2612117) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657211)

I guess we misunderstand all the demonstrations, burning effigys of Obama, US flag and all. They are really trying to say we love you Americans!

Re:Don't believe the propaganda (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657263)

And the videos of women being buried up to their chests and stoned...that was all ketchup I guess.

Re:Don't believe the propaganda (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657303)

Women is Saudi Arabia can't vote, drive, leave their houses without male escort, show their faces uncovered in public, or participate in pretty much any civic or legal function without approval of their male guardian.

So, which of those statements is the western media lying about?

Re:Don't believe the propaganda (2)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658095)

The part where one country is not an entire continent sized region or representative of a globe spanning religion.

Also Women is Saudi Arabia can vote and run for office, historically they could not (like everywhere 100 year ago).
Also there is nothing in the law about leaving the house. Particular families might practice that but you would have to look for statistics to see how prevalent, if at all, that it is.
As for face coverings, yes Saudi Arabia practices that but most Arad nations outright ban the practice and the consensus is that that practice is a mistranslation and is only practiced by fanatics.

So what is that? 2/5 complete lies, and the rest exaggerations [some of them so extreme as to have no sliver of truth] (particularly if you look at them as accusations against all Arabs).

You can find crazies, fanatics, and hate filled individuals in all countries and religions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church).

Re:Don't believe the propaganda (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658509)

Also Women is Saudi Arabia can vote and run for office, historically they could not (like everywhere 100 year ago).

No, they can't. They MAY be allowed to in 2015, if the King keeps his promise.

Also there is nothing in the law about leaving the house.

Arguing the technically on de jure vs. de facto practices went out here in the U.S. back when segregationists used to argue that TECHNICALLY in the LAW there was nothing stopping blacks from voting in the South. The reality is that women walking around without a male escort in Saudi Arabia are banned from all businesses and are subject to beating by the religious police there. But don't take my, or the evil western media's, word for it. Read the United Nations Report [ohchr.org] on the subject (part III, section D).

The difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657203)

is that in Europe, men have known for centuries that women are incredibly dangerous if given power (assuming the goal is to perpetuate a male-dominated social structure). In the Middle East, women are considered dumb slaves (and because of the social system, many are) barely able to wash the feet of their masters. I'm sure that males in the Middle East see this surge of women entrepreneurs as quite amusing, like watching a monkey tapdance, or a horse count to 3.

Sure, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657225)

What about Saudi Arabia? That is the country in the Middle East that is the most oppressive of women. The funny thing is that women in that area had more rights when Mohammed was alive.

Acceptance percent? (2)

Sooner Boomer (96864) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657239)

According to summary, 40% of applicants were women. What percent of the accepted submissions were women? That would be a far mare significant statistic!

Is this a joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657287)

Throughout the middle east the vast majority of people (men and women) believe that beating women is acceptable, in fact I dont think it's even illegal anywhere in the gulf.

That "stereotype" is very well deserved.

Nobody Will Hire You? Hire Yourself! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657367)

The answer is quite obvious. If you live in a world where nobody will hire you, and you need or want a job, what do you do? Create a job for yourself! Stopping this phenomenon is why Southern Democrats passed Jim Crow laws.

Sounds like any other geek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657373)

"subjugated, oppressed and barely let out of their houses". If you add "twenty-something male living in Mom's basement" would it be any different? :-D

April Fool's Day already passed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39657381)

Almost two weeks late /.

Ouch... (3, Insightful)

Troyusrex (2446430) | more than 2 years ago | (#39657489)

The article stressed how the women in Saudi Arabia could "Work from home". It neglected to say that the almost have to since they aren't allowed in public without a male relative around.

Locked in house. (1)

metrometro (1092237) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658347)

Subjugated, oppressed and stuck in basement? Sounds like a true geek to me!

I jest, but I think this is actually partly true.

I know an insanely talented female programmer who grew up in the states but was moved to Saudi Arabia around age 13. What did she do all day? Sit on her computer. A couple thousand hours of C+ later and she's back in the US getting a CS degree, on her way to a prime spot at MIT Media Lab. Key point: locked in basement for long periods of time = good at programming. Refused offline political and commercial freedoms = good at Internets.

The other reason this happens, of course, is that our perceptions of the Middle East are based on a mash of cable news, Pentagon spin and CounterStrike, which are - surprise! - largely false. Pakistan has elected a female president; the US hasn't.

Read the UNDP report series (2)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39658429)

Compiled for the UN by the Arab world's friendliest own Arab economists and technicians. The Arab world is at or near the bottom, for the entire world, in terms of literacy, education, technical proficiency, intellectual property creation, research and development, internet penetration, media penetration, social and media freedom, contract law, technical small business start ups and technology transfer. Below the levels of much of Africa and SE Asia. Culturally, the exclusion of women, minorities only speaks to part of it. It really has to do with a historical tradition of abandoning everything the West had to contribute since the Renaissance, the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. If you want a Turkish -centric history of this read "What Went Wrong?" by Bernard Lewis.

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