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Indian Man Charged With Blasphemy For Exposing "Miracle"

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the smoke-and-mirrors dept.

Censorship 796

bhagwad writes "When a statue in Mumbai began to miraculously drip tears, huge crowds began to gather, pray, and collect the water in vials. Sanal Edamaruku has exposed such bogus miracles before, and when he was called in, his investigations showed that it was nothing more than a nearby drainage. The entire investigation was caught on tape. The priests were outraged and demanded an apology. When he refused, a case of 'blasphemy' was registered at the police station and they now want to have him arrested." In related news, today Kuwait's parliament "passed amendments to the Gulf state's penal code stipulating the death penalty for those who curse God, Islam's Prophet Mohammed or his wives." However, they made no change to the penalty for playing a joke national anthem at a sporting event.

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Cradle of Civilization My Ass (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669597)

Why are there so many dumb peopel?

Fuck you, racist. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669633)

Suck on my terrible-smelling, unwashed nutsack, you Islamiphobe. Go spew your hate elsewhere.

Re:Fuck you, racist. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669705)

kill yourself you shit-eating retard

Hook on Opiates (4, Interesting)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670073)

If I remember correctly, someone once said that religion is the opiate of the masses

I must clarify that I am not an atheist - I do believe that there is a ***Creator*** - I see the religions that are being practiced by the billions on this earth contribute nothing to human civilization

Of course, those who believe will tell you that their religion is the "true one", that their version of "true religion" is "peaceful"

Ultimately, religion is a sales / marketing campaign, on a global scale, and many millions depend on "GOD" for the bread that they bring home to feed their kids - that the better they sell "GOD" the more income they gonna get

That is why I am not surprised at all at the anger of those Hindu priests --- Their anger is not towards that guy who expose the "miracle", but rather, they know full well that their income gonna drastically drop after the expose

Re:Hook on Opiates (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670165)

Do you think the Creator believes in a Creator?

Re:Fuck you, racist. (5, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669739)

labeling someone a hater or fearer because he doesn't like or has a rational reason to not agree with something is not a counter argument, no matter what the political correctness thinktanks say.

Re:Fuck you, racist. (0)

zero.kalvin (1231372) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670093)

May Allah/God/Buddha bless you son.

Re:Cradle of Civilization My Ass (4, Funny)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669725)

protoman had to fornicate somewhere..

Re:Cradle of Civilization My Ass (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669755)

Well...

The bible belt is going in this exact same direction. Arabs took like 8 thousand years to fuck up and get religion infested up the wazoo. The US has managed to catch up in insanity much, much faster.

Praise capitalism!

Re:Cradle of Civilization My Ass (3, Insightful)

MidnightBrewer (97195) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669801)

Eventually you mature and leave the cradle. No guarantees for those who choose to remain behind in the cradle.

Re:Cradle of Civilization My Ass (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669865)

I can't find this news on any indian news site (timesofindia, rediff, ibnlive). Where does this blog writer get his news from?

Re:Cradle of Civilization My Ass (0)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670163)

I can't find this news on any indian news site (timesofindia, rediff, ibnlive). Where does this blog writer get his news from?

The "timesofindia, rediff, ibnlive" are all MSM (Main Stream Media) of India

Like MSM in many other countries, do you seriously think MSM in India dare to cover issues that might degenerate into racial/religious wars?

Re:Cradle of Civilization My Ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669901)

You mean, as opposed to what, USA? Or what country? Name yours, surely is home to a lot more valuable people...

Sounds like they'd be right at home in the GOP (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669601)

Especially if they got elected in Oklahoma, Tennessee, or Arizona.

I say Mitt Romney picks that statue for a running mate to solve his Mormon problem. The only trick will be telling the two apart.

Re:Sounds like they'd be right at home in the GOP (5, Funny)

dlgeek (1065796) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669687)

It'd be easy - only one of them would have political convictions that are set in stone.

Re:Sounds like they'd be right at home in the GOP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669709)

And the other is a statue?

Re:Sounds like they'd be right at home in the GOP (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669799)

I don't think we're talking about the same Mitt Romney.

Re:Sounds like they'd be right at home in the GOP (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669853)

Or the same meaning of "stone"

Re:Sounds like they'd be right at home in the GOP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669891)

Maybe in stone tablets

Hopefully (5, Insightful)

jeremy85mai (2520912) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669605)

Hopefully the world will start to grow more accepting toward skeptical beliefs(such as atheism, Agnosticism, etc). It makes me sad how often these beliefs are persecuted :(

Re:Hopefully (5, Insightful)

grege1 (1065244) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669647)

The world is rapidly going the other way. Back in the 60s and 70s people thought that The Age of Reason had won and we could move into the future with hope. Now reason is under attack from the religions of the world. And it is getting worse by the day. All the fundamentalists from all religions should be made to sit and watch The Life of Brian at least one a year and eat halibut.

Re:Hopefully (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669723)

I don't think reason is under attack by religion specifically. It just seems to be popular to be a moron these days. The number of well-established scientific theories you disagree with is a matter for competitive sport.

Re:Hopefully (4, Insightful)

jeremy85mai (2520912) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669751)

Ah, ok. I wouldn't know all that well(Born in the early 90's). It just seems like(or, at least, online) atheism is a lot louder about it's beliefs or with its objections to things. Do you think it's possible that why we see so much moronic stuff is because we're just being louder/more public about it? It seems like that could be a possibility.

Re:Hopefully (1, Troll)

mvdwege (243851) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669919)

The current crop of atheists is indeed loud, and particularly obnoxious. Maybe they're the ones to blame for the rise in religionism?

I mean, when I see the sheer seething stupidity right here on Slashdot whenever religion comes up, I'm almost tempted to join a monastery.

In the Seventies we had 'Humanists'; they surely were a whole lot nicer than the current crop of idiots.

Mart

Re:Hopefully (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669927)

Maybe they're the ones to blame for the rise in religionism

yeah, they're to blame.

you nailed it.

(how this was not marked troll, I don't know. but to blame athiests FOR the rise in religion is hand-waving that not even sky daddies could pull off)

Re:Hopefully (5, Insightful)

FrootLoops (1817694) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670083)

Your two posts summarize some of the major problems with religion debates. (The GP may not have been serious, but assume for now that it was.)

mvdwege:
  * Unfair generalizations: "The current crop of atheists is indeed loud, and particularly obnoxious." People are not a ubiquitous mass and treating them that way inevitably leads to problems. Humans like to personify everything, especially groups of other humans, but that natural urge needs to be replaced with complex mental models that accurately reflect reality to the extent a human mind can do so.
  * Defensiveness: "sheer seething stupidity" ... "current crop of idiots" -- those statements will only convince people to fight you.

TheGratefulNet:
  * Sarcastic responses: "yeah, they're to blame." See defensiveness.
  * Poor reasoning: "to blame athiests FOR the rise in religion is hand-waving". The obvious argument (likely missed because of defensiveness) is that religion felt threatened by a rise in atheism and responded by becoming louder. Whether there's any truth to that argument is a good question, but it isn't patently ridiculous hand-waving.

Each of the problems above is caused by an emotional response overcoming clear thinking. People in general could stand to be more like Spock when it comes to debates.

Not really (5, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670103)

It is a very old tactic by the religious establishment, don't question us and we won't question you. Basically, you are free from religious control, unless you question the religious control. You are a free person, unless you try to exercise your freedom.

It has been the way to keep groups down for millenia, Jews are a famous example. Countries that claim to have been tolerant really just operated with "Don't be noticeable and we won't notice you to much".

The Catholic church was fine with evolution, they didn't push for creationism UNTIL Catholics who had accepted evolution made more sense then genesis started to think "wait a minute, if genesis is a fairy tale, then why is any of the rest true and why then is it required for me to remain silent about this priest in my ass?". Creationism and the attack on science didn't start until the church started to loose power because of it. In the 70's, people were still balancing the two. Proof? Their were plenty of scandals back then but people kept quiet because while they accepted evolution, they still believed as well. Enough to not risk upsetting the church. That has changed and the church NEEDS power. Without control, they are nothing. After all, you can talk to god anywhere, why pay for churches and priests when god is everywhere or nowhere?

The church isn't anti-evolution. It is anti-critical thinking. Critical thinkers wonder why the pope has a super luxerous seat on an airplane that could be carrying medicine. Just why gold is needed on a cross for a carpenter. And why people to poor to feed their kids should pay for it all. Can't have that.

The renaissance was another age the church lost a lot of power in because people started thinking. The post-war new age thinking (In Holland, ont-zuiling, the end of the columns of power, where your faith defined who you where and you trusted your boss, doctor and politicians without question) cripped the church even more, now they are determined not to become totally irrelevant. Because the most dangerous idea a church faces is a religious person who realizes that Jezus never founded a church. You can believe without ever going into a church or being buggered by a priest. That is scary as hell to the establishment, those kind of people might even believe you can love your country and STILL question it! It is no accident the religious zealots and the right wingers go hand in hand. Romney and co want you to believe, so you won't think and question. Not just god and the church but the free market, the wars, wallstreet bailouts. Breed, have lots of kids who can't afford to be picky about jobs so Ann Romney can afford a domestic while she bitches about her struggle as a super rich stay at home mom.

Or do you think the right like people having less children who can afford higher education and grow up to be thinking, questioning citizens? Things were so much better when people had a dozen kids who could be send of into domestic service for whatever usage the rich saw fit. And if a girl then inevitably got pregnant by a rich landlord after rape, well, that just ensured the supply of cheap labor would continue.

A fool thinks that those who desire power desire slaves. Far better is a serve, a man who thinks he is free but forges his own chains. Religion and the American dream forges the best chains.

Re:Hopefully (-1, Troll)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670089)

Congratulations, you are a moron.

Re:Hopefully (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670195)

Wow. Uhhh, what beliefs are those exactly? Do you know the definition of the word "atheism"?

Not believing in something is not a belief. Pretty simple, don't you think?

Not believing in something has nothing to do with the crazies who believe all sorts of wacky shit being more vocal. There are not two sides to this. You either DO believe in wacky shit, or you DO NOT.

Get it?

Re:Hopefully (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669753)

The fact they're getting louder doesn't mean they're winning. It might be taken as a sign of desperation.

The first people to leave a majority religion are the ones who don't fear ostracism, the rebellious, the suborn and the alienated mostly. After them are the ones who go when it ceases to be socially unacceptable. Then there are those who leave when it becomes increasing obvious that their faith and their religion have parted company, and the religion is no longer something they want to be a part of, disgruntled moderates for the most part.

The very last hangers on, the ones who will never, ever leave as long as they still draw breath, are the fanatics. A religion can have just as many total fanatics when it comprises 90% of the population as it does when it comprises 40% - they go from being a few bad apples to the gradual majority who drive away those disgruntled moderates I mentioned above.

Re:Hopefully (4, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669929)

The world is rapidly going the other way.

Actually, I think it is becoming more polarized. I am fairly young, but I see more and more people moving into non-practising belief, moving into an agnostic belief system or totally throwing out and declaring atheism. Most people that I know who are religious are quite moderate and totally respect the chosen paths of others, but in this age of instant communication and viral sharing of video/blogs etc I find that many fundamentalists who in previous decades may have only been heard in small secluded places of worship or backroom debates are now able to spout their messages to the masses. This sadly can result in many moderates who may have previously never heard or even seen such messages being taken in and following.

I think globally, we are moving (very slowly) to a much more moderate stance on religion, but there are pockets where small fundamentalist wildfires have started. Hopefully those flames will be doused before they spread into too much of a firestorm.

Living in Australia (which is quite multi-national in ethnicity and religion) I am always utterly amused when fundamentalists of any nature demand to be tolerated for their beliefs while spouting anti-tolerant messages against others the next moment. I can't help myself and weigh in asking that exact sort of question - I started to walk out of church on Easter Sunday just passed (I go to church at Easter and Christmas to appease my parents when I visit) when the priest started spouting about propsed changes to the Australian Law by changing "Marrige to be between two people, rather than a man and a woman" which would lead to "the fall of Christians and civilisation" at which point I was too disgusted to stay for the rest. He saw me walking out and pulled me up on it. I accepted the challenge and politely debated him on the arguments for and against for around ten minutes in front of the entire congregation.

Re:Hopefully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670039)

Australia is the opposite of the US when it comes to public religiosity. It's a death sentence for an Aussie pollie to finish every speech with a shout-out to god, but in the US it's the opposite. Despite this, be aware that something like half of the front benchers in parliament are /practising/ christians. As in, go to church regularly. Abbott is particularly glassy-eyed, and it's really scary that he's going to be our next PM.

Re:Hopefully (4, Interesting)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670131)

Our local Member of Parliament was actually present during this (he is quite Christian and was helping out with the collections etc).

The point that I was making (and hope that he listened to) was that we cannot impose our values on others if we expect them to respect ours. The "man and woman" thing is based in Christianity and Islam, but if we expect minorities to respect our mainstream views, how can we not also respect theirs (even if they conflict with our own) and allow them to practise them as they please? Of course there are boundries, ones that directly harm others or teach/incite hate, so no, if one group believes in murder, we shouldn't put that into law saying it is okay, but who are is anyone to say who can and cannot get married based on the mainstream beliefs?

Re:Hopefully (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670151)

Fag.

Re:Hopefully (5, Insightful)

shentino (1139071) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669779)

What I'd like to know is how any religion that professes to believe in an all knowing and creative deity would deny the mastery apparent in the minds of its own creations.

I mean seriously, why would God create a brilliant analytical brain, only to shun its use?

Re:Hopefully (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669841)

I mean seriously, why would God create a brilliant analytical brain, only to shun its use?

Probably the same reason He created fossils for dinosaurs that never actually existed.

Re:Hopefully (1)

TempestRose (1187397) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669881)

God Damnit, no points, but thank you for the laugh...
( Yes, intended. )

Re:Hopefully (4, Funny)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669945)

If only we could master that and create 80 year old scotch without having to wait 80 years.

Re:Hopefully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670005)

I have NEVER heard a Christian claim that dinos never existed. Nice straw man.

Re:Hopefully (4, Informative)

niftydude (1745144) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670047)

I have NEVER heard a Christian claim that dinos never existed. Nice straw man.

Actually, a Jehovah's witness who knocked on my door barely couple of weeks ago said exactly that. She completely refused to believe in any kind of evolution at all.

Normally I'd say you have to get out more if you want to meet these people with all sorts of weird and wonderful beliefs, but in this case the crazies came to me.

Re:Hopefully (5, Informative)

Dr_Barnowl (709838) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670087)

Not a straw man [grumpydaddy.net] , there are those Christians that claim that archaeologists who find dinosaur skeletons are the equivalent of modern day cryptozoologists who use hybrid taxidermy to support their claims. The more sophisticated dino-deniers believe that dinosaur fossils are a test of faith [claudemariottini.com] , and presumably take the fact that they fit so perfectly into the fossil record without a trace of scientific incongruity as evidence that their deity is almighty and powerful enough to fake evidence really well.

There's also those who claim that dinosaurs lived at the same time as humans and are mentioned in the bible [clarifying...ianity.com] , despite this argument being easily refuted by geological dating of the rocks the fossils are found in.

Re:Hopefully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670187)

You and me know that these events are blasphemy when new religion is being created and miraculous events when beliefs are set. Similar belief system is found found in "fake/real" doctors: fake doctors do the harm, real doctors do the good (sometimes "mistakes"). In reality, we all should believe to live happy (stress reducing) lives.

Tennessee Theocracy (3, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669611)

In more related news, Tennessee just attacked science to make it harder to teach evolution and climatology [chicagotribune.com] because theocrats can't handle the truth.

Re:Tennessee Theocracy (5, Informative)

bobwrit (1232148) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669639)

This isn't the first time that Tennessee has taken an anti-science position either. The unfortunate thing is, it's not the only state moving in that direction. A few years ago, I remember Texas was thinking of doing the same. The larger issue with Texas doing that, however, is that Texas happens to be of of the main producers of school text books in the US. I, personally, use that piece to explain why the US is so lacking in science education- the people writing the text books are under heavy theocratic control :(

Re:Tennessee Theocracy (4, Funny)

Renraku (518261) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669749)

Now they're seeking to make abstinence-only education the norm and to define hand holding and kissing as sexual behavior. I wish my state would also ban dentistry so we can look like the fucking toothless yokels we are for letting shit like this pass.

Re:Tennessee Theocracy (2, Insightful)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669685)

When I pray, I pray that science gathers more knowledge for mankind such that we can create solutions to solve world hunger and disease. I never understood why a Christian would want to be against science when science is seeking truth. God is truth, so Christians should welcome the enlightenment of science. I evangelize to both unbelievers and believers alike that there is no conflict between the Bible and science. Related: An article on the Long Day Theory [fatherspiritson.com]

Re:Tennessee Theocracy (5, Insightful)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669825)

no conflict between the Bible and science

Except thats not entirely true.
Science and the Bible conflict an awful lot. Straight from page 1 onwards.

What you meant to say was that your religious world view and your scientific world view do not conflict.

Re:Tennessee Theocracy (0, Redundant)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669879)

Science and the Bible do not conflict. However, science and some theological positions of the Bible do conflict. When posed with wonder who is wrong, one must look at both sides at possibly being wrong. Is it the theological position that is in err, or is it the science? I would say in most situations the theological position is wrong.

Re:Tennessee Theocracy (2)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669931)

Science and the Bible conflict an awful lot. Straight from page 1 onwards.

I think what you are missing after that is "...for about 5 pages, then that bit about the flood a bit later, and then extremely rarely for the bulk of that quite hefty book."

Re:Tennessee Theocracy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669829)

Oh yeah? Arizona just declared [thedailybeast.com] pregnancy starts first day of gestation, which is two weeks prior to actual conception.

Personally, I think anyone who uses religion as an active part of their political platform, and freely talks about how it affects their decisions, should be disqualified and removed if they're in office. Religion has no place anywhere near politics. The first sentence of the first amendment [wikimedia.org] says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [...]

Seriously. wtf.

Re:Tennessee Theocracy (3, Insightful)

hack slash (1064002) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670041)

If America wants to make itself even more ignorant and closed minded, fine, just stop enforcing your fucked up shit on the rest of the world.

Nothing to see here... (5, Interesting)

alphakappa (687189) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669631)

Anyone can register a case for pretty much anything in India. If the police actually arrested the guy, or if he was convicted of blasphemy, it would be worth talking about. Right now, it's just a bunch of nutcases filing a case, not the government. Let's not fall for hyperbole.

Re:Nothing to see here... (2)

jensend (71114) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669771)

Another reason not to bother talking about this now: given the state of the Indian justice system [wikipedia.org] , it may well happen that all parties involved are deceased before this actually gets a court date.

Re:Nothing to see here... (1)

sirdude (578412) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669893)

Or as in some cases, you need a court date because you are dead [serendip.in] .

Something to see here... RTFA (3, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669777)

Sanal received a phone call from a Police official of Juhu Police Station in Mumbai directing him to come to the said police station to face the charges and get arrested

I'm not clear on how instructions from the police to come in and be arrested are "nothing to see here"? Perhaps you could explain?

Blashphemy??? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669641)

I don't believe any kind of blasphemy laws belong in the 21st century, but seriously...

seriously...

These people worship cows and statues with elephant heads and statues of effeminate guys with six arms

It's not a serious religion

If you are forced to take something like this seriously, and treat it like a cultural element for grown ups. No wonder people in that part of the world are so angry and uptight all of the time. Jeez.

Re:Blashphemy??? (5, Insightful)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669701)

Well, people in my country worship a man who was allegedly tortured to death over 2000 years ago. There are life-sized statues of the man, wearing only a rag, nailed to a cross in every temple. People wear smaller depictions of the torture instrument as a good-luck charm of sorts. Part of the rites involve drinking wine and eating a small piece of bread in the belief that it, in a spiritual sense, is the blood and flesh of this poor man.

Well, I guess it's a lot more intimidating than a jolly elephant man at least? Keeps the unwashed foreign tribes at a distance.

Re:Blashphemy??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669729)

Yeah, every religion is going to seem wacky to outsiders, but..

You aren't the least bit surprised to learn that Hinduism of all things has blasphemy laws? They have millions of gods, for Christs sake. Does this mean you have to respect every single one of them? How is it even possible??

Re:Blashphemy??? (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669851)

Yeah, every religion is going to seem wacky to outsiders, but..

Everyone can clearly see how foolish everyone else's religion is. For some reason not many can turn the same critical eye on their own.

Re:Blashphemy??? (1)

dodobh (65811) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670015)

He wasn't charged with blasphemy. He was charged with offending religious beliefs (by a bunch of Christian nutjobs).

Re:Blashphemy??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670067)

They have millions of gods, for Christs sake.

Actually, they're not for Christ's sake... they're not Christian

Re:Blashphemy??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669761)

So Christianity is every bit as nutty? You don't say!

The point is that regardless of what the evangelicals might wish, you can't get arrested for calling them out on their shit in the US. This makes the US "better" than India on this score, regardless of how equally ridiculous the respective "common" religion is.

Re:Blashphemy??? (3, Insightful)

dadioflex (854298) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670127)

So Christianity is every bit as nutty? You don't say!

The point is that regardless of what the evangelicals might wish, you can't get arrested for calling them out on their shit in the US. This makes the US "better" than India on this score, regardless of how equally ridiculous the respective "common" religion is.

Well there you have it, your new national motto. "The US - currently better than India". You go guys!

What gets me about this is that there ARE a bunch of different faiths in India, and they're trying, officially at least and in parts some better than others, to get along by studiously ignoring each other's mutually exclusive beliefs. So a sceptic comes along and disproves a miracle, IN HIS OPINION, which is rude but within the scope of his unprotected belief system. I don't understand how a Christian system based on faith can really ever take offence at someone poking holes in a local miracle, or the entire canon even. I genuinely mean this - if you're Christian and you're letting someone bamboozle you with logic and facts then it shows a profound lack of faith and a misunderstanding of the teachings of Jesus if your first reaction is anger. If those Indian Christians had simply blessed the sceptic and agreed to disagree there'd be no issue. The people with REAL faith could believe in whatever they want, and the people with actual FACTS can be smug in their knowledge and the impending empty soulless non-existence they have to look forward to when they die. Everybody's happy.

Re:Blashphemy??? (2)

dead_cthulhu (1928542) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670049)

Actually, some denominations (such as the Catholics and, IIRC, the Orthodox) believe that it becomes flesh and blood in the literal sense.

Re:Blashphemy??? (5, Informative)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669789)

If you RTFA, you will know that it happened in a Christian church in Mumbai.

Re:Blashphemy??? (5, Funny)

Shihar (153932) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669797)

Dude if you think that worshiping elephant gods is fucked up, you should come to America and see some really crazy shit. In my country people worship some sort of zombie god/king. Their religious icon of choice is an ancient Roman execution and torture device. A bunch of sub-sects of this religion practice ritualized cannibalism and blood drinking. They think that their zombie god is going to come back some day and kill everyone, and they think that this is a good thing because it lets them get to their promised land or something equally crazy. I swear I am not making this shit up. These people are craaaazy here. I'll happily take some elephant worshipers over these psycho zombie worshiping cannibals.

Re:Blashphemy??? (3, Informative)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669859)

I'll happily take some elephant worshipers over these psycho zombie worshiping cannibals.

Dude, zombies are cool these days. Don't you ever watch television?

Re:Blashphemy??? (2)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669915)

These people worship cows and statues with elephant heads and statues of effeminate guys with six arms

Ganesha (the guy with the elephant head) is way cool. I prefer his style to the Zombie Jesus that the evangelical Christians push. What would probably curdle the milk in the evangelicals' coffee is that Ganesha is the patron of the arts, sciences, and letters, and the deva (god with a small g) of wisdom and intellect.

You know, a guy who if human, would appeal to the Slashdot crowd..

Keeping a little statue of Ganesha next to the servers at work is not necessarily a bad thing.

--
BMO

Technology... (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669653)

Some "miracles" also happened a few hundreds years ago... But unfortunately nobody could catch anything on tape at the time. And now some schools teach creationism...
Too bad the only true and fortunate miracle that should have but didn't happen at the time was the invention of the video camera.

A state may be more real than god (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669663)

but it is not less deserving of ridicule.

Such a non-story (4, Insightful)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669669)

NO chance anyone would actually get tried for blasphemy against the Catholic Church in Mumbai.

Not only does 98% of the local population not give a shit, but the church leaders in the Vatican will be smacking their foreheads when they see this. They have been trying for the last couple hundred years to undo the massive ill-will they have caused persecuting/prosecuting "heretics" throughout the ages...

Re:Such a non-story (4, Informative)

orzetto (545509) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670109)

You do realise the current white-clad wizard in the Vatican had quite a career in the Inquisition [wikipedia.org] , and that during that period he actively pursued a policy of hiding from the public eye priests that raped children, moving them to other parished where they would keep raping children, so that the good name of the Vatican would not be blemished? That guy does not get anything of public relations.

How dare he! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669675)

Exposing people's mass religious delusion with proof and making them feel like moronic fools. Jailing him is of course the logical solution. They can't accept and concede they are just stupid and gulible.

What the fuck, article headline? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669679)

"Some religious nutjob wants him arrested" is a far fucking cry from "He's been charged." I want the author of the article headline to be charged with a crime too, doesn't mean it'll happen.

Hey, it is india, a place (1)

singlevalley (1368965) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669691)

for every kind of crazy you can imagine. And no logic allowed...

Re:Hey, it is india, a place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669735)

Is it violent crazy like in the Somalia, or non-violent crazy like Japan? Or is it, perhaps, some delightful mixture of both?

Re:Hey, it is india, a place (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669813)

what a dumbass comment. the whole story is a non event. it's not in the mainstream news in india, nor on any channels. nutjobs exist in every country. and oh, are you going to tell me that there are states and universities planning to have creationist museums/ have it taught as a part of curriculum ? KKK and others are fictitious ? are you xenophobic sitting in the USA ?

India is a democracy much like USA. there is space for any lunacy, also, its a developing country just coming to terms with poverty and other issues. I'd bet every advanced / developed nations had such teething issues to deal with. with such a condescending/ sneering attitude... I begin to wonder how perfect is your country ?

Re:Hey, it is india, a place (4, Funny)

rve (4436) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669821)

Logic and rationalism are French ideas. On that ground, I reject them utterly.

Re:Hey, it is india, a place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669993)

Logic and rationalism are French ideas. On that ground, I reject them utterly.

I'd associate logic more with Greece (a wholly owned subsidiary of Germany).

Patriots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669693)

"HOWEVER, they made no change to the penalty for playing a joke national anthem at a sporting event."

So, in other words, death penalty for "unpatriotic" act is OK? WOW! just WOW! The world would be much better place without zealots of any kind.

Re:Patriots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669795)

"HOWEVER, they made no change to the penalty for playing a joke national anthem at a sporting event."

So, in other words, death penalty for "unpatriotic" act is OK? WOW! just WOW! The world would be much better place without zealots of any kind.

Well, those certainly are other words. So other that they seem entirely unrelated to the original.

Odd... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669695)

The priests were outraged and demanded an apology. When he refused, a case of 'blasphemy' was registered at the police station and they now want to have him arrested.

That's an odd thing to do, considering the Holy See generally investigates so-called miracles for some veracity first. (For the record, the highest ecclesiastic endorsement for any of the latter-day miracles is essentially, "we can't figure out what happened either, but we're pretty confident that if you believe whatever happened was a miracle, you won't be heading inadvertently down the path of heresy.") And crying statues are some of the oldest known "funny coincidence but definitely not a miracle" phenomena around. Local priests and crazy Indian laws: what can you do? Well, other than bribe someone, that is....

Oh great. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669715)

Now we're outsourcing our stupid, too.

Different culture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669737)

In the middle-east (mostly feudal governments) and Asia, life is worth very little.
Their philosophy is slightly totalitarian, in that, the state has more rights than the individual.

Although, they don't seem to have their version of the FBI spying incessantly on the population.

Tap tap tap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669765)

What I want to know is: were Mohammed's wives hot...?

a quote (paraphrased) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669767)

"I long for a time before religion infected the mind of man"

I have an idea (2)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669785)

I think we should take anyone who constantly complains about America's politicians and laws and send them over to Mumbai.

But... (5, Interesting)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669809)

The charge is entirely unconstitutional.

It's written in the Indian Constitution that people not only have the right to pursue the sciences, but have a duty to do so for the whole of society, under Article 51 A.

To wit: Article 51A(h) To develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform;

He's charged, but the charge won't stick even with a drunken lawyer.

He is roaming around free, because the police and the judge know the charge is bogus and a waste of everyone's time, but to do nothing would cause riots among the derp-infested.

--
BMO

Those types of miracles (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669897)

Showy "miracles" that don't do anything are terrible, and they're not restricted to rural India either. Plenty of Christian holy places have some sort of useless crying statue or grilled cheesus. When a true miracle happens, it will be for a reason: healing someone or leading an enslaved people through the desert. God doesn't put on the Ritz for kicks.

It's completely ridiculous! (1)

unreadepitaph (1537383) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669903)

It's not blasphemy if a guy goes and proves that there's a leaky pipe, what if a plumber had come onsite to fix it?
If he rocked up and said "Nah he's just a cunt" that'd probably be closer to the "hate speech" India's blasphemy laws refer to.
How can you expect your society to move forward if you allow people to be persecuted for not believing in God.

Plan: Register Atheism as a religious organisation, sue everyone who says God exists because we see it as "hate speech insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of any citizen with deliberate and malicious intention to outrage their religious feelings."

Blasphemy isn't a crime in India (1)

2br02b (448267) | more than 2 years ago | (#39669923)

There is no crime of 'blasphemy' under Indian law, so I fail to see how this man could be charged with that. I couldn't find any mention of his arrest in the India media, although it might be that the blog referred to in TFA might have caught on to the news early. On the other hand it could be a matter of a group of 'rationalists' getting carried away after being threatened with arrest by some religious freaks.

Oxymorons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39669999)

"death penalty for those who curse God, Islam's Prophet Mohammed or his wives."

Laws like this are not helpful to any God. How arrogant to think they need to defend God.
  It only makes sense if there is no God.

The people responsible for this law should be brought up on charges of blasphemy.

Mole hill, not a mountan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670023)

Anyone can sue anybody in a democracy and that is a good thing.

Only Fools and Horses did this (5, Informative)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670043)

Drops of water on a holy statue? Sounds just like the Miracle of Peckham [wikipedia.org] .

Super (James) Randi (1)

mailuefterl (140499) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670115)

to the rescue!!

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670145)

It sure gets harder and harder not to laugh in the faces of religious people..... And then stab them in the brain to stop the stupid from spreading.

Tell you what. If your 'god' needs YOUR help to defend himself from anything... He's a pretty crappy god and you should go find something else to do.

The stupidity of religion strikes again! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670173)

If any of that mumbo jumbo was real, they wouldn't need human laws to defend it. Insult a living god? Get fsked up. No divine wrath? Obviously either there are no gods, (duh,) or the gods don't care. If they don't care, why should you? However, gods, (including Alaha or whatever, Jaway, or whatever, and "God" the no-name Christian BS deity), faeries, demons, genie's, ghosts, spirits, leper-cons, quexelcotals, (or whatever,) unicorns, basilisks, manticores, ogres, trolls, etc., ad nauseum, DO NOT EXIST!!! Use your brains, people!

End rant.

PS: don't bother correcting my spelling. I know some of these words are misspelled. Fact is, it's not worth my time to look up the names of these made-up bullspit characters from archaic, crappy fiction.

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