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Portugal Is Considering a "Terabyte Tax"

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the pay-to-store dept.

Data Storage 353

An anonymous reader writes "As a proposal to avoid becoming the 'next Greece', a Portuguese opposition party has proposed a tax on storage. The party claims that the tax will not effect the average citizen and is mostly levied at business users, but internal storage on mobile phones means a 64GB iPhone could be €32 more expensive. From the article: 'The proposal would have consumers paying an extra €0.2 per gigabyte in tax, almost €21 extra per terabyte of data on hard drives. Devices with storage capacities in excess of 1TB would pay an aggravated tax of 2.5 cents per GB. That means a 2TB device will in fact pile on €51.2 in taxes alone (2.5 cents times 2048GB). External drives or “multimedia drives” as the proposed bill calls them, in capacities greater than 1TB, can be taxed to the tune of 5 cents per gigabyte, so in theory, a 2TB drive would cost an additional €103.2 per unit (5 cents times 2048GB)."

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Dear Portugal (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670903)

Fuck You!

Spain, Italy and Greece (5, Funny)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670919)

Before long, Spain will have its Gigabyte Tax

Italy will chime in with its own Megabyte Tax

And Greece? They'll have the honor of having the world's first Kilobyte Tax

Re:Spain, Italy and Greece (5, Funny)

Lord_Breetai (66113) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670939)

Before long, Spain will have its Gigabyte Tax

Italy will chime in with its own Megabyte Tax

And Greece? They'll have the honor of having the world's first Kilobyte Tax

I guess that leaves the byte tax for Ireland.

Re:Spain, Italy and Greece (4, Funny)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670997)

Before long, Spain will have its Gigabyte Tax

Italy will chime in with its own Megabyte Tax

And Greece? They'll have the honor of having the world's first Kilobyte Tax

I guess that leaves the byte tax for Ireland.

It's more like "Tax Bites" for the Irish :)

Re:Spain, Italy and Greece (1)

daem0n1x (748565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671385)

I guess that leaves the byte tax for Ireland.

No problem. But if they create a litre tax in Ireland there will be a civil war!

Re:Spain, Italy and Greece (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671025)

Italy already has it, on the assumption that storage will be used for copyrighted material. When the tax was introduced, some places like the Apple store showed the corresponding amount in red for affected products. Now the situation is more complicated so they just say that a 199 euro iPod pays 41 euro to the state for various taxes.

Re:Spain, Italy and Greece (4, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671291)

Canada too. Not sure about the US and UK, but wouldn't surprise me. Not as heavy, but the same idea: Tax all storage and media players on the assumption that they'll be used to infringe, and give the money to any major copyright holder with enough political clout to get a share. Independant artists obviously get screwed because it'd be impractical to administer.

Re:Spain, Italy and Greece (2)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671493)

The US doesn't have a storage quantity tax.

Honestly, such a tax is retarded, especially with the way storage increases (~1000x every 10-12 years?), you'd have to readjust the rates almost yearly. Anyway, you typically tax based on the prices of what is charged for purchasing/selling something - so, why not just put a % tax on storage devices, rather than a tax on the absolute amount of space.

Re:Spain, Italy and Greece (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671585)

Canada too. Not sure about the US and UK, but wouldn't surprise me. Not as heavy, but the same idea: Tax all storage and media players on the assumption that they'll be used to infringe, and give the money to any major copyright holder with enough political clout to get a share. Independant artists obviously get screwed because it'd be impractical to administer.

Pretty sure Germany & Austria have it too.

Re:Spain, Italy and Greece (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671029)

Actually, in Italy we have had a tax on storage for quite a long time, meant as a (believe it or not) compensation for the artists whose work is pirated. In reality it probably goes to SIAE and not to the artists. I remember that when the tac came to be it almost doubled the price of CD-R and CD+R. It's not as heavy as the proposed tax in Portugal, though.

Re:Spain, Italy and Greece (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671513)

Italy has already had this since 2010. No one can beat us on taxes. Any other country is purely at an amatorial level. We do not have it only on pure storage, but also on items containing storage, like phones.

And since we are the real masters of futile taxation, the earnings do not even go to the state, to fund the deficit or to support welfare. The earnings go to support the music industry.

See http://www.tecnophone.it/2010/03/18/la-nuova-tassa-s-i-a-e-in-vigore-dal-23-marzo-2010-su-cellulari-e-apparecchi-informatici/

Google translate can probably be your friend here.

Re:Dear Portugal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671111)

What we need is a politician tax.

Re:Dear Portugal (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671459)

No, a tax on idiotic laws. Every time someone proposes a law that will be nixed by the supreme/constitutional court because it violates other laws, tax the idiot who wasted valuable parliament time to get a moment in the limelight.

Re:Dear Portugal (1)

daem0n1x (748565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671403)

We've had enough being fucked, thank you. Please go fuck yourself.

€0.2 = €0,02? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670917)

carry on.

Re:€0.2 = €0,02? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670965)

You obviously missed the 'introduction of the euro'-event.

Re:€0.2 = €0,02? (4, Informative)

trnk (1887028) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671411)

It's Verizon Math! [blogspot.co.uk] €0.2 per GB would be €1 for every 5GB (€200 TB). Not that we ever check submissions here on /.

Killing off storage? (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670921)

Perhaps that's the idea. This is a copyright-inspired effort, after all - and with the move to the cloud and it's inherent ease of central control, perhaps the thinking behind such high taxes is that ordinary people cannot be trusted with so much storage of their own. They might misuse it for piracy.

Re:Killing off storage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671137)

Than I will only stream porn from online and not store it in my porn ware house?

I have better idea, letsrestrict the internet!

Outdated (5, Insightful)

GothicKnight (830786) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670923)

**OLD** This law draft was already discarted like 2 moths ago.

Re:Outdated (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671015)

Wrong (almost) - draft law dropped doesn't seem to matter. They come up with these ideas and keep pushing a tweaking them and pushing them and in a few years they are in place.
. So yes you are correct. "That FA" may be wrong or old; but it isn't dead - Got to keep the fight going.

Re:Outdated (1)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671219)

Which is why we must remain on guard against SOPA and PIPA. I'm already hearing rumblings from their supporters to try again.

"Draft law" is only one dropped letter away from "daft law".

Re:Outdated (4, Funny)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671289)

...discarted like 2 moths ago.

So into the flame it went?

Regardless (0)

wienerschnizzel (1409447) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671417)

It's just so amusing to watch the politicians sweat when they cannot simply print the money they need - they either need to cut their expenditures or ask their voters to pay more. I'm loving it!

Re:Regardless (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671569)

As a Portuguese citizen, I'm not.

Maths (4, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670927)

Doubling the price of a 2Tb external drive? You're going to have to pirate a *shitload* of stuff to make up for that.

Re:Maths (5, Funny)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671053)

It's Europe, so it will have to be a Metric Shitload, which is itself different from the Imperial Shitload, which is 1.125 American Shitloads

--
BMO

Re:Maths (1)

siddesu (698447) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671203)

I'll just download Angry Birds for iPhone a million times and I'll be okay.

Re:Maths (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671467)

Sounds like a challenge to me...

Re:Maths (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671595)

Would you be taxed on the total size of the drive, or just the amount of possibly illegal stuff you have on it?

1tB != 1TB (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670929)

Am I the only one that thinks that people might finally complain that they're paying tax on the extra 24 MB in every GB without getting them?

Re:1tB != 1TB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671447)

I can understand using capital K to mean 1024, since the lowercase version means something different, but this is probably the first time I've seen anyone suggest replacing properly capitalized SI prefix with a lowercase bastardization. So in that regard you're probably alone.

People who complain about missing 73741824 bytes (which is fair bit more than 24MB) per gigabyte do exist however. They just don't insist on such an obviously wrong solution to the well known ambiguity problem.

Re:1tB != 1TB (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671469)

You assume people can do the math? They're overtaxed already when trying to figure out how they're screwed over with those "20% rebates" that rarely border the 15%.

Re:1tB != 1TB (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671593)

There's no lower case 't' SI prefix though. T is "Tera" which means 10^12.

There are some binary prefixes that indicate a power of 2. 1TiB = 1024GiB and so on. Unless you're averse to putting a little 'i' in your prefix, this seems like a reasonable compromise.

This proposal was rejected. (5, Insightful)

Celexi (1753652) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670933)

As far i know ( i live in Portugal ) other than this being old news, it was rejected by all other parties other than the one attempting to get this passed and was rather laughed about because of it here.

Re:This proposal was rejected. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671009)

Yeah, but I like the idea.We should export the idea to the US. How else are you going to care for the 50% of the population that don't pay taxes, or social medicine?

Re:This proposal was rejected. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671175)

Make the people who benefit from those people's labor pay the bill. The fact is that if the rich didn't keep stealing from the poor, the poor would have the money to pay to support themselves. And social medicine you pay for by making people pay before they get sick.

Then again, you're a troll, so whatever.

Re:This proposal was rejected. (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671269)

"The 50% of the population that don't pay taxes" actually pay a larger portion of their income in taxes than the other half... just not federal income taxes, because they don't have any residual income to tax.

The only people who truly don't pay any tax are the ones rich enough to hire the best accountants.

Re:This proposal was rejected. (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671299)

That 50% figure sounds highly dubious. Even the most determined homeless illegal tax-dodger is going to have to pay sales tax on occasion.

Re:This proposal was rejected. (5, Funny)

Splab (574204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671089)

Dude, seriously? What right do YOU have to come here and destroy the rants with facts? This article is the perfect fear and trolling opportunity and here you are, ruining it with facts.

Shame! I said SHAME! on you!

Re:This proposal was rejected. (1)

jadrian (1150317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671103)

I also find it quite amusing that this was proposed by a supposedly (central) left wing party. I have no party affiliation, and been looking for alternatives. I found MLS [liberal-social.org] (Movimento Liberal Social) rather interesting. If you look at their website, they covered this issue as well as ACTA on their front page. They also seem pretty big free software. And as a bonus are for a stronger separation of church and state. And they are not an extremist party in any sense. I'm surprised they don't get more publicity, at least amongst the younger generations.

Re:This proposal was rejected. (1)

eggstasy (458692) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671181)

I have no idea where you're from, but in America, ALL of our parties would be to the left of theirs. Even the Christian right is... SANE and defends the standard doctrine of european social safeguards :)
They can pass all the laws they want. We don't have the means or the will to enforce them. We're a narrow strip of shore, back when we actually had borders, before joining the EU, contraband was the norm.
Half of Portugal can get to Spain in less than an hour.

Re:This proposal was rejected. (1)

jadrian (1150317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671551)

I'm obviously from Portugal... did you read my whole comment? :S

Re:This proposal was rejected. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671389)

I also live in in Portugal, and I have to say that the issue was a bit more serious than that. The party behind this tax proposal was the main opposition party which was just voted out of government, and the author and main signatory of this law proposal was Gabriela Canavilhas, the former minister of culture herself. Rumor has it that the law proposal was written by the people in charge of a set of rights management associations, which happen to be near bankruptcy due to gross mismanagement.

The worst thing about this law proposal was that when faced with the sheer idiocy of it, Gabriela Canavilhas reacted by accusing the law's critics of being ignorant fools who completely failed to understand the law proposal. Meanwhile, while well established artists rallied against the law, a list of artists who were supposedly supporters of this law was published in the national media. Yet, once that list was aired some artists in that list said that their name was fraudulently added to the list, as they did not and never supported the law proposal.

Regarding the opposition stance on this issue, the only reason why the law was shot down was due to the public rally against the law proposal. Even far left parties such as Bloco de Esquerda and Portugal's communist party supported this law, claiming that it would bring much needed financial support for artists. The law proposal was only shot down when members of the government coalition stated that they would be voting against the law, and only after weeks of public outrage agains this law proposal and due to the fact that, with the austerity plan, they didn't wanted to risk any unnecessary negative backlash from the public.

So, in spite of the positive outcome, things didn't went so well as you would expect. In fact, it was a very close call.

exponential (5, Insightful)

mechtech256 (2617089) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670935)

A tax that increases at an exponential rate, what more could a government hope for!

Ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670945)

As long as:

1. The revenue doesn't go to the **AA
2. Large businesses do not pay less than consumers.

Then it's just another tax, which is something the PIIGS countries need. And I doubt this could pass in the US, the cloud would become much less fashionable.

Re:Ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671241)

The PIIGS need more taxes? What bullshit. Taxes are so high everyone evades them. They need to actually collect the taxes that are owed.

Re:Ok (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671473)

Taxes don't have to be raised, they have to be paid. Simple as that. As long as the large tax evaders can easily move money abroad without paying tax first, you can tax the crap out of people and won't get anywhere.

You can't squeeze lemon juice from a stone. Squeeze the lemons instead for a change. It might just work.

Way to kill the electronics retail business (3, Insightful)

arkhan_jg (618674) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670951)

As I understand EU free-trade rules, as long as the appropriate taxes are paid in the country where goods are bought (inside the EU), the government cannot then levy additional taxes when imported, either directly (in the boot of a car) or when shipped.

So this just seems a great proposal to kill all domestic sales of electronic goods with drives in - iPads, smartphones, photocopiers, laptops - and relocate them to Spain instead. I'm sure the Spanish government wouldn't mind, but it doesn't like it's going to do much to help Portugese debt.

Re:Way to kill the electronics retail business (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671263)

I doubt it; the ordering abroad part. Even with EU's free-trade it's rarely cheaper to import stuff with these kinds of taxes. For example as a German I already have to deal with copyright-taxes on almost everything (blank media, storage devices, printers, scanners and whatnot). Yet it's rarely cheaper to order them from abroad. At least that is my experience when shopping for components. My guess is, local vendors will eat most of the price increase.

Of course that also means less taxes from profits for the government from every single business and especially those who go out of business entirely. But hey, I'm sure the politicians have thought that through ...

Re:Way to kill the electronics retail business (1)

sFurbo (1361249) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671501)

At least for VAT, they have a system in place: The seller has to charge VAT. If his sales to country X is less than a certain amount per year (which I can't find right now), he must pay his countries VAT. If it is more than that amount, he has to pay the recieving countries VAT.

This, combined with the fact that Britain has 0% VAT on books, means you should order your books from small, British internet stores. Amazon.co.uk is no good, as they will be over the limit for most countries.

Old & Inaccurate (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670953)

It was not a proposal to avoid becoming 'the next Greece'. It was a proposal to "help" artists.
In reality it was just another levy (we have several) to benefit some corrupt goons on a local "rights" association. And as you might guess it, they don't help artists that much. Just their pockets.

It's old because the parliament shot it down after an active online campaign by internet activists and a couple of politicians with common sense.

Absurd (2)

geogob (569250) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670957)

... how do they expect this to work !? People will simply buy storage in other EU countries. But I doubt anyway that such a farce could ever pass.

Re:Absurd (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671233)

Something like this is already in Finland [hyvitysmaksu.fi] .

Depends... (4, Interesting)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671509)

Something like this is already in Finland [hyvitysmaksu.fi] .

The rates in Finland are somewhat lower than those proposed for Portugal. Moreover, elsewhere on that site [hyvitysmaksu.fi] they say what consumers get in return: "Everyone is allowed to copy published works, such as music, movies, television and radio broadcasts for their own private use in Finland."

It is also quite clear [hyvitysmaksu.fi] that the compensation allows copying of movies and music on disks borrowed from libraries and suchlike. No doubt, the RIAA and MPAA would be a little queasy at such provisions in larger markets.

uh what? article expired already a few weeks ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670959)

The Portuguese citizens opposed such an abuse so strongly, that the Socialist Party retreated removing the law project before it was flunked.

However, their most faithful member Antonio Vitorino is heading an European Community consultation on private copy levies which is adamant about considering as non constructive comments that consider it an abuse that must end (as most people think).

So weird to see such an outdated article in /.

Re:uh what? article expired already a few weeks ag (1)

Celexi (1753652) | more than 2 years ago | (#39670969)

So weird to see such an outdated article in /.

I don't think that is weird at all in Slashdot

Move by SPA (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39670985)

IMO It's a move by SPA (Sociedade Portuguesa de Autores) to try to get money to artists (that do not produce anything new and want to live off best-ofs released every once in a while).
As with every tax, the cost will eventually propagate to the public and will add nothing more than complications to a system that should be efficient.
If applied it would keep the country in the age of cement that it still is now.

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671005)

Doesn't the government consider this proposal a bit ...ridiculous?

Re:Why? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671481)

You haven't been too long on this planet, have you? At least it's technically possible to execute that law, which is miles ahead of many others that have been proposed lately.

Where will my 1 TB itunes library live? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671023)

Demand for high-capacity storage is no longer as strongly correlated to piracy as it was in the early 00's. You can for example download 1080p episodes of TV series from itunes that'll eat hard drive space in no time.

So can I claim my storage tax back if I fill a hard drive with legit content?

Re:Where will my 1 TB itunes library live? (1)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671083)

Heck, I have a 1 TB drive only for Windows, which I use exclusively for gaming (who still uses Windows for serious work?), and all those games I got from Steam sales and barely play have already almost eaten up the drive. I'll have to delete the local caches or buy a bigger drive soon.

Re:Where will my 1 TB itunes library live? (1)

mikael (484) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671129)

I can't wait to see the tax legislation for that one. You would have to provide a receipt showing that you purchased and paid tax on that device. Then you would have to provide evidence that various blocks of storage were used for legitimate purposes. One tax dodge would be to have duplicate copies of everything. Tax inspectors would have to go round inspecting everyones backup strategies.

Re:Where will my 1 TB itunes library live? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671161)

Somebody will get the bright idea of selling tax dodgers a 1TB file containing alternating ones and zeroes just so that people can show a receipt for a really big file

Re:Where will my 1 TB itunes library live? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671439)

This tax isn't supposed to be targeted at pirates but rather at businesses.

nitpicking: GB vs. GiB (5, Insightful)

moronoxyd (1000371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671043)

That means a 2TB device will in fact pile on €51.2 in taxes alone (2.5 cents times 2048GB).

Since when do manufacturers of hard drives use Base 2 to describe the size of their hard drives?
They don't, so it should be 50 € (2.5 cent times 2000 GB).

Re:nitpicking: GB vs. GiB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671127)

Even as a nitpick that's pretty minor compared to "The party claims that the tax will not effect the average citizen" - how often do taxes 'effect' (i.e. bring into being) people?

Re:nitpicking: GB vs. GiB (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671321)

Sooner or later, someone is going to try to tax contraceptives.

Re:nitpicking: GB vs. GiB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671361)

And since when do decimal-based currency systems measure twenty cents as €0.2 (as in "€0.2 per gigabyte," "€51.2," "€132.2," etc.)? They use two places for cents in Europe too.

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

someone will come to continue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671047)

This initiative might be dropped, but i'm sure someone is working on the next one, and in the case, this will be also dropped, another one, until they get it.

During the middle age, people paid one tenth of their goods to their feudal sir, nowdays we pay muuuuch more that then

€0.02, not €0.2 (1)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671071)

Incorrect in summary and article.

Re:€0.02, not €0.2 (1)

Another, completely (812244) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671295)

a 64GB iPhone could be €32 more expensive

Isn't 64 x €0.02 closer to €1.28? Even at the originally quoted €0.2 that sounds very high.

Re:€0.02, not €0.2 (1)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671527)

There are different tariffs for different types of storage, the €0.02 tax figure I corrected is for hard disks of 150GB to 1TB, with smaller hard disks being tax exempt and larger hard drives at slightly higher tax (€0.025).

Mobile phones and similar (MP3 players?) would be taxed at €0.50 per GB so yes, a 64GB iPhone would be €32 more expensive.

USB pens and memory cards, €0.06 per GB.

Possibly the most ridiculous of all, photocopiers and multi-function printers will be taxed by how many pages per minute they can copy. Apparently a 70 ppm MFP could cost an additional €227 in tax.

Aggravated tax? (2)

Radak (126696) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671077)

I can understand that taxes might be aggravating, but was this summary written by a third grader? I'm pretty sure submitter meant aggregated (or more likely aggregate).

(He/she also meant affect.)

Now I can guess the MAFIAA's next scheme. (1)

FunPika (1551249) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671079)

Lobby a bill that makes it illegal for ordinary citizens to buy their own storage, and require everyone to use a cloud server that is "government approved". Then regularly check said cloud server for "illegal content" (government will try to just say this is CP they are looking for at first), and then royally screwing you over if they find something.

Missing keywords (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671087)

Hey, the summary is missing the important keywords "...in an attempt to protect copyright holders." (as seen in the linked story)

Non base 2 correction. (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671105)

The price for a 2TB hard drive should only be $50, not $51.20 (sorry, don't have the euro symbol), since the size of drives have never been listed in base 2.

As for the topic at hand, that seems really crazy. That's about half the price of the hard drive in taxes alone.

JEW tax (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671131)

This is a tax by the JEWS, nothing else. The poor, hard done by Jews who never do any manual labour. The poor, hard done by Jews who never dig fields, never harvest crops (backbreaking work), never dig up roads, never build houses, never build hospitals, schools, roads, bridges, never work in factories on production lines, but they sure do like making LAWS that tax everybody else for OUR LABOUR.

But then, I forget - they are apparently 'God's chosen people', and we are their 'cattle' (goyim) who are 'beasts on two legs', here to serve them, as our masters...

Don't believe me? Try Googling it all.

heavy tariffs on imports (0)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671141)

especially from nations who are political/economic fascists, and nations that abuse people in state owned sweatshops, globalism was a race to the bottom that pitted the nations with the worst human rights abuses against the middle/working classes who lost jobs due to multinational corporations deporting manufacturing jobs to nations willing to turn their citizens in to slaves,

occupy wallstreet

Re:heavy tariffs on imports (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671205)

Do you buy cheap Chinese goods or products for any other slave state? If you do, you are part of the problem. If you don't, then I commend and thank you.

Re:heavy tariffs on imports (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671521)

I try to avoid slave work goods wherever I can. It ain't easy, especially in the area of electronics. I buy my coffee fair traded, I am as PC as they come.

But how many can afford that luxury? Because, yes, I'm "rich" by current standards. Meaning, I earn more money than I need for bare existence. It's a luxury not too many people have. They CANNOT avoid slave work goods, not because they don't care, simply because they cannot afford to pay the "luxury tax", i.e. the price tag attached to goods produced here.

I don't judge people who have to buy clothing made in far east sweatshops when they try hard to make ends meet and they simply cannot afford to "do the right thing".

Meanwhile, in Italy (3, Informative)

deepsky (11076) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671151)

the government has considered taxing SMSs by 0.02€ each. (This is not a joke)

Clout computing (1)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671173)

I hope this tax will also apply to people renting out cloud storage or it will just mean more money leaving the country for them.

Just one more tax... (1)

Scutter (18425) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671217)

Just one more tax and I'm sure all of the country's money problems will be solved. Just ONE more... Honest!

Re:Just one more tax... (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671537)

As long as they are still forced to buy war material from Germany and other EU countries instead of using that money to consolidate, I see little hope for Greece.

The whole "bailout fund" scam is nothing but a bailout for EU companies that sold crap to Greece and would now have to realize a loss.

mod 3own (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671221)

Nothing new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671227)

Here in Hungary we already have a $0.5/GB tax on any device with a flash storage inside (pendrives, mp3 players, phones, even ssd). External hard drives "only" taxed $10/TB.

Already have it in Hungary... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671245)

...on EVERYITHING from audio and vhs tapes(2012!) to hdds in set top boxes.

Some numbers:
24 cents on a dvd, 60 for a dual layer. Because of this, everyone buys DVDs in another COUNTRY - Slovakia

1,6 € on a 4 gig SD/MMC/etc card, 11 € on a 32 gig
1,3 € on a 4 gig pen drive or external ssd, 8€ on a gig
External HDDs up to 15€. Before the HDD price boom this was some 13% of the retail price for a 2T drive.

Portable music players: 10 € on a 4G, 26 € from 40-80G
Mobile phones with storage: up to 24€, 8G is 'only' 11€

Non-portable devices with built in storage (set-top boxes, etc.): up to 20€

(side note: ...but all is good since in exchange we have nice neighboring rights that allow downloading any movies and music LEGALLY from the internet, even from an illegal source. It is illegal to upload though, so no torrenting if you want to play nice. Most providers do throttle torrent traffic, and pay-ftp sites are taken down occasionally. Nobody cares (yet) about usenet. Most non-it people I know would pay for streaming services but there are NO providers. Some cable companies provide sh*tty VOD with 3 movies/genre...)

Re:Already have it in Hungary... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671545)

Hello dear neighbor. It's by no means any better to the west of you, same deal. Actually, exactly same deal.

For fuck's sake, LET ME BUY THE CRAP! I want to pay to see shows I want to watch in a timely manner and before it gets butchered by dubbing. It simply is not offered.

iPhone in Europe already support the Apple tax... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671255)

Apple Store prices for the iPhone 4S 64GB is $849 in the US, and €849 in Europe[EU] (Portugese[PT] price, iPhone is a little cheaper in some countries). Current $/€ convertion rate is 1$=0,76€, so the US price in € is: €645,44.

US prices do not include VAT wherease EU-an prices do, and PT-ese VAT is at 23%, meaning the iPhone 4S 64GB costs €690,24 w/o VAT; conclusion: PT-ese iPhone already support a €44,80 ($58,95) Apple taxes...

For Luxembourg[LU] (where VAT is a 15% tax), the Apple Store displayed price for that same iPhone is a little more interessing: €835,42 w/ VAT, but VAT excluded it costs more than in PT: €726,45 w/o VAT. Hence the Apple tax in LU is even bigger than in PT: €81,01 ($106,59) !

Re:iPhone in Europe already support the Apple tax. (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671471)

Apple might actually benefit. Sure, it'll make the iPhone more expensive... but the iPhone is already a premium, very expensive product. Proportionally their lower-priced competitors would be affected far worse.

Status update (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671303)

I've seen several comments saying that this is "old news", and others ditching this as a "Portuguese problem".

Two notes on this:
1) Yes, the Socialist Party Law Project was withdrawn, but it was with the promise of a comeback with "changes needed to avoid the worries several parties arose". Of course, nothing is solved, and the (cosmetic) changes aren't sufficient to change the fact that the Law Project is absurd. On the other hand, the Social Democratic party - now part of the Government - has the promise to introduce such a law during this month. Summing up, Portugal is far from getting rid of this nonsense, on the contrary.
2) This exact same insanity is comming to Europe, as an update to the 2001 EU Directive. After years of conversations and consultations around the topic, EU decided to put this matter into the hands of António Vitorino, which decided to throw away all the work done so far and start from scratch... with a twist: he has already made his mind about the need of a levy. You can read more about this, and *act*, here: http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/barnier/headlines/speeches/2012/04/20120402_en.htm

Taxing your way to prosperity - Genius! (-1, Flamebait)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671339)

After all, its been such a success in the past .. oh , wait...

Braindead socialists , don't they ever learn?

640GB * 0.2€/GB = 128€ (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39671345)

640GB * 0.2€/GB = 128€
1TB * 0.2€/GB = 200€

This is pathetically retarded.

Re:640GB * 0.2€/GB = 128€ (2)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671591)

It's €0.02 per GB, not €0.2. Article and summary both get that wrong.

Shelf tax (1)

programmerar (915654) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671351)

Good, they should put a tax on shelves too. People put stolen goods on shelves as well. Hit 'em where it hurts.

Good for them (1)

Phoenix (2762) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671353)

If they want to price storage out of the hands of the end users and thus cripple themselves then more power to them.

A tax like that is not going to do a damn thing for them because people won't be able to afford them and will either do without (and we get to read many MANY articles about how their aging tech running their government goes "tits up" on them) causing the government to not get any money or they find ways to smuggle the hard drives in on the black market also denying the government their tax money.

Either way this will be of vast amusement to us here on /.

Penis Size Tax? (4, Funny)

jackhererUK (992339) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671443)

If you are going create an arbitrary tax on the size of something that affects an arbitrary section of the population why not create a penis size tax. It could be entirely self declared with no verification. The results should be made available on a public register, listed in order of length x girth. I'm sure that would raise a fortune.

Tax Businesses (Including Churches) (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671497)

Why pretend you're taxing businesses with a tax on technology? Just tax the businesses. Tax the things that most depend on government operations and expenses to work properly. Tax the things that actually make money that can be collected. Tax the things that cause sudden public expenses that must be bailed out.

Just put a sales tax on everything except necessities (used/homemade clothing, raw food, the cheapest 20% of shelter in each postal code and their utilities, minimum healthcare cost, public education, public transit). Then make this year's budget spend only whatever was collected last year, issuing debt only on specific budgets not paid by the cash flow (and requiring a special leglislative session passing 75% in 2 votes, followed the next year by a general election).

And tax the goddamn churches already. And stop paying the monarchy and their rich relatives - tax them the most. Those businesses have totally failed for centuries.

Just tax the crap out of cell phones (2)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39671541)

See the efficacy of taxes is where you gouge something that most people can't or don't want to do without like gasoline, alcohol, tobacco. Cell phones are ubiquitous to the point where even the UN considers them a basic human right. So naturally the plan must be to gouge and gouge and gouge some more. Double, triple, quadruple the cost of handsets and data transmission.

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