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US Unhappy With Australians Storing Data On Australian Shores

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the tough-noogies dept.

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Fluffeh writes "The United States' global trade representative has strongly criticized a perceived preference on the part of large Australian organizations for hosting their data on-shore in Australia, claiming it created a significant trade barrier for U.S. technology firms. A number of U.S. companies had expressed concerns that various departments in the Australian Government, namely the Department of Defence had been sending negative messages about cloud providers based outside the country, implying that 'hosting data overseas, including in the United States, by definition entails greater risk and unduly exposes consumers to their data being scrutinized by foreign governments.' Recently, Acting Victorian Privacy Commissioner Anthony Bendall highlighted some of the privacy concerns with cloud computing, particularly in its use by the local government. He said the main problems were the lack of control over stored data and privacy, in overseas cloud service providers."

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ERROR (5, Funny)

Elbart (1233584) | more than 2 years ago | (#39672929)

The irony-meter is off the charts. Or is this a late April-fools-article?

Re:ERROR (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39672967)

The US believes in being fair. They need the Australian government & companies to store data on US servers so it can be fairly stolen by them not just China.
They're too lazy/incapable of getting the data themselves.

Re:ERROR (5, Informative)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39672991)

No, this is typical US attitude. They think they own the world.

If the rest of the world would tell the US to piss off, maybe things could get better. Instead, the US throws their totalitarian weight around and we get bought-off British judges trying to extradite British citizens to the US for conduct that occurred in Britain, between British citizens, that was 100% legal under British law because the US MafiAA wants to try to have the British citizen prosecuted under US fascist law. [wired.co.uk]

Re:ERROR (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673049)

Chances are you'll be at -1 in about 10 minutes, it's morning for most of the UStards right now.

Re:ERROR (5, Insightful)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673229)

I hope not he/she doesn't get modded to -1.

Is there a cloud based company that will not take a peek at any of the information stored on it's servers? Does anyone really believe that? Most companies are looking for any advantage they can get. If they happen to 'see' something and patent it first it might be really hard for a small company or single person to prove that in court. Meanwhile said company could be raking in the cash on that idea/data.

I am in the US. I work with people who do a lot if research. Most of them like the cloud idea for storing their research information. They like it until they realize that the host of the cloud can read their data.

Re:ERROR (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673573)

Is there a cloud based company that will not take a peek at any of the information stored on it's servers? Does anyone really believe that?

I work for a cloud provider. I have root on all of the servers. I have never, nor have I ever even wanted too, looked at any of our customers data. If fact, I'm not even sure that I could: if I even knew how!

If you think that all Cloud providers do all day is read email, you should probably tighten the tinfoil helmet. Or perhaps you could just accept that we have better things to do and really don't give a toss about your Crayola sketched plans for world domination.

Re:ERROR (5, Insightful)

cfulton (543949) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673259)

This is slashdot. We are not all tards and I will bet for the most part this forum agrees with the poster.

Re:ERROR (1)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673565)

Also, the US public rarely agrees with the US government. It's not like most of them get any real representation from their politicians.

Re:ERROR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673537)

Yes, because anti-american posts always get modded down on slashdot...

Oh wait...

Re:ERROR (5, Informative)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673153)

yep. it's amazing the US is complaining here, but then again our country is on a constant downward spiral into idiocy. can't say I'm surprised.

Re:ERROR (5, Funny)

fizzer06 (1500649) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673283)

"our country is on a constant downward spiral into idiocy

Yeah, I saw the documentary "Idiocracy".

Re:ERROR (4, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673631)

The U.S. is like the Roman Empire in its last years. Trying to boss people around and not being too sucsessful because the power had waned.

Re:ERROR (4, Insightful)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673161)

Pretty much.

US to World: Drop your tariffs! Embrace free trade (that our farmers are good at)!
World to US: OK, you first.
US to World: No! We have to think of *our* farmers first! (US goes off and complains to WTC)

It's how the World Bank wields so much power, using economic terrorism against poor countries.

Re:ERROR (2, Informative)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673505)

The judge in the extradition case did actually rule that O'Dwyer had violated British laws. So please don't make statements that O'Dwyer's activities were legal under British law when in fact there is a court ruling that they weren't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9013803/Student-Richard-ODwyer-can-be-extradited-over-TV-website.html [telegraph.co.uk]

"However, Judge Purdy rejected the argument from Mr Oâ(TM)Dwyerâ(TM)s barrister, Ben Cooper of Doughty Street Chambers, because of the control the student had over what links were posted on TVShack.net and TVShack.cc.
He set up the second website a day after authorities shut down the first in July 2010. The main page of the new version included the cover image from a rap single called âoeF*** the Policeâ, according to American prosecutors.
âoeFirstly both TVShack websites were entirely in the hands of Richard Oâ(TM)Dwyer and his co conspirators requiring third parties to sign up to TVShack and be vetted before going further,â Judge Purdy said.
The judge agreed with John Jones, barrister for the United States government, that âoebecause he was intimately involved in deciding who was allowed to post links on the TVShack websites, which links would be postedâ, Mr Oâ(TM)Dwyerâ(TM)s alleged conduct was a criminal offence under British copyright law."

Re:ERROR (-1, Redundant)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673239)

Can't be a late april-fools article because I happen to manufacture and sell such late april-fools for nine trillion dollars a word, so spreading them for free would cause me significant economic damage. They better not even think about it.

Re:ERROR (5, Funny)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673427)

With the lack of sleep last night my mind joined this headline with the previous one "Baboons Learn To Identify Words" as logically they seemed to go together. Sadly I don't think that relationship is too far from the truth upon further thought.

Re:ERROR (0)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673441)

My irony-meter already blow up :-(

Baboons (1)

kschendel (644489) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673449)

"The irony-meter is off the charts..."

Particularly since this article is immediately followed on the page with "Baboons learn to identify words". It seems that at least some baboons haven't learned to associate sense with those words.

Hahahahaha. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39672959)

Seriously?

*cough* Megaupload *cough* (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39672965)

The hell you say! Saving data in your own country, so that foreign governments can't judge your citizens by their laws? That's crazy talk, I think you should have a serious conversation with my sponsor, the MPAA.

Re:*cough* Megaupload *cough* (5, Informative)

kulnor (856639) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673035)

Read this article and you'll know why government, private companies, and individuals may not want their data in the "cloud", particularly when you know half of the Internet traffic likely transits through US soil: The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say) http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/ [wired.com]

Re:*cough* Megaupload *cough* (2)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673255)

Are they going to call it Spynet?

Re:*cough* Megaupload *cough* (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673491)

Are they going to call it Spynet?

Close, but no. They're calling it "Skynet."

Re:*cough* Megaupload *cough* (2)

Vanders (110092) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673627)

Are there any other jokes you'd like to drive into the ground for everybody?

LOLWUT??? (5, Insightful)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 2 years ago | (#39672973)

Why would this be a problem? The farther away their "cloud" is, the worse the performance. There's enough of a performance hit just trying to cram all that data through a company's entartube without stretching that tube many thousands of miles for no good reason.

Re:LOLWUT??? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673149)

The problem is that the Australian cloud servers are very slow, due to being filled to near-capacity AND their bandwith almost completely maxed out from local (Australian) viewing, uploading, and downloading of Kangaroo porn.

Re:LOLWUT??? (4, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673263)

There are really multiple problems...

The US has sufficiently aggressive surveillance and limited privacy protection(and I'm just referring to the stuff that has been declared legal) that it is neither obviously desirable, nor even necessarily possible, for entities in areas with more demanding privacy law to use US-based hosting or storage service.

Second, by the standards of places developed beyond the barter economy, Australia's overseas links are long, not terribly fast, and rather expensive(Also, Telstra...)

Re:LOLWUT??? (2)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673313)

You read my post back-asswards. I'll rephrase for you.

Why is it a problem that Australians want to keep their data in Australia?

Re:LOLWUT??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673385)

Plus if you're in country X, you're subject to the laws of country X. If you store your data in country Y, you're now subject to the laws of both country X and Y. And both country X and Y can probably attempt to get access to your data if they think you're being naughty.

Re:LOLWUT??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673407)

It is a problem for US because it makes the ongoing constant prying on private data of foreign corporations SLOW. Funny how Americans think that since breaking Enigma helped them win the WW2 so much, they are entitled to have the same advantage over the wole world now.

Re:LOLWUT??? (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673413)

Besides the issue with hosting across the planet, how often are the MS and Amazon clouds down?

Re:LOLWUT??? (2)

isopropanol (1936936) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673511)

Canada's privacy commissioner also had similar comments a while back.

Also, if you're doing your tax return (any country) at a income tax preparer chain (ie H&R Block) read the contract carefully...

Toys - Pram (5, Insightful)

flurdy (301431) | more than 2 years ago | (#39672977)

Is that really them throwing their toys out of the pram?!

"How dare the Aussies deny us from intercepting data and shutting down sites by Australian companies and citizens"

Translated: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39672979)

Hey, you're supposed to be using our Cloud(TM)(R)(C)(WTF), not making you're own!

What goes around comes around I guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673003)

Oh boy, oh boy what poetic justice.
First the EU, then Australia. It wont take long until other countres give the finger to the US.
Say should we expect some invasion in the forthcoming months ? ^_^

I'm an asshole too (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673011)

Whoever is in charge of Australia's defence department is an asshole and I happen to agree with him. WHY is it even close to being a good idea to send data out like that and especially in the US? Sorry, but I don't trust the US government.

Re:I'm an asshole too (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673055)

I don't trust the US government, my government, or any government for that matter.

Re:I'm an asshole too (1)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673213)

I DO thrust the US government to invade my privacy. The US can only blame the Australians for having learned how the US behaves.

Re:I'm an asshole too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673249)

I trust my government more than the US government. That's a given.

Two faced (2)

hawkbat05 (1952326) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673025)

I wish I was surprised that the US has the nerve to be angry after the megaupload arrests. I don't engage in any of this but even I'm worried about having a VPS hosted on US soil.

You're kidding, right? (4, Funny)

msobkow (48369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673027)

Australia and New Zealand are notorious for having "pipe problems" due to the long-haul links they have to use, and the US expects them to have all their critical business data travelling those overloaded pipes for the convenience of US agencies and companies??!?!!?!

So the convenience of American firms is now justification for slagging the sound and reasonable business practices of foreign nations?

Navel gazing US again. If they navel gaze any closer they're going to find themselves eyeballing their own stomachs from the inside... :P

Re:You're kidding, right? (4, Interesting)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673183)

It's not just live data located in the US. It's data in Australia managed by a US company that could be subject to a US warrant, or even backups of Aus servers hosted in the US.

Re:You're kidding, right? (2)

bleh-of-the-huns (17740) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673257)

I think the article has more to do with AU preventing the US companies and firms from operating assets (cloud, server farms, hosting, etc) in AU, and providing services to the AU gov, rather then hauling all that traffic back to US soil, and using US firm resources here.

That said, I do see major issues with companies storing data on US assets (whether abroad or not). Especially when we read articles about whole sale data monitoring by US gov entities (FBI, NSA, CIA, take your pick), whether legal or not, it is happening.

I could be wrong.. but I suspect I am not.

Re:You're kidding, right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673459)

1. Pass law requiring any foreign company owned by US company to supply data on demand to US government, or the mother company will be sanctioned.
2. Watch as foreign companies owned by US companies are no longer considered as viable options for safe data storage.
3. ???
3. Profit?

Seems to me the US has nobody to blame but itself. Classic case of 'gun, meet foot.'

Re:You're kidding, right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673639)

There you see the difference between "regulation" as in companies being able to buy whatever law they want, and "regulation" as in a government governing things. One leads to short term profits, the other is for the good of society in general and quite often for the businesses themselves.

Good for Australia (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673031)

I live in the US. With the recent mega upload fiasco and some of the other craziness, I think it's a smart move for foreigners to avoid hosting in the US.

US courts are trying to reach into other countries now. We've got way to much craziness here to trust us. The government should have known their actions will have consequences.

Re:Good for Australia (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673405)

I live in the US. With the recent mega upload fiasco and some of the other craziness, I think it's a smart move for foreigners to avoid hosting in the US.

US courts are trying to reach into other countries now. We've got way to much craziness here to trust us. The government should have known their actions will have consequences.

That isn't necessarily true, it really depends on what you are planning on doing. 'Jurisdiction shopping' for hosting purposes isn't all that different, strategically, from doing it for tax laws. Different jurisdictions are useful for different things and varying degrees of terrible for others.

If you, say, actually want to comply with EU and/or member state privacy law, or just don't want the NSA doing cloud backups for you, you'd be a moron to let your data get anywhere near the US. Same deal if you want to do something that makes the MPAA sad. On the other hand, the US is a pretty decent(and attractively priced) place to have strong opinions about assorted governments, religions, and ethnic groups that would quite possibly earn you an extended stay in a cozy correctional facility at home... The important thing is identifying your requirements and doing your best to ensure that the most sympathetic jurisdictions, for those needs, are where your activities occur...

Re:Good for Australia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673629)

So I'll know to thank the MafIAA when the only data stored on US servers is Stormfront, KKK, and assorted hate sites?

If Hilary Clinton had any balls she would have bitch slapped the Justice Department when this shit first started with DNS server based take downs of torrent sites. Day number one I was on slashdot forecasting that the backlash would make ICANN in to an ocean of piss as well as irreparably damage the United States relationship with other countries.

MegaUpload was the point where we not only stopped observing Jurisdiction in our absurd corrupt efforts to prop up a dying(and insignificantly small) publishing industry at the expense of 99.999% of the rest of the economy, but we stopped observing the rule of law as well, and just started making shit up.

The grand jury indictment was something to the tune of: "these guys got rich because their hosting service was cramping the style of our campaign contributors and we think they're dicks"

Occupy protesters then stormed the door to the court room and started throwing glitter at them for being successful capitalists who provided a service which people found useful.

Re:Good for Australia (5, Insightful)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673507)

I live in China. I'd only consider a completely local hosting solution, not because the US government fucks you harder than the Chinese government, but simply because you're going to get fucked by the local one whatever you do, so better leave it at one than be double penetrated.

a "sanity check" for everybody (2)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673037)

The biggest and simplest question when deploying a "Cloud Solution" is very simple

WHAT HAPPENS IF IT RAINS??

In this case it makes sense for a company based in %Nation% to have the primary servers in %Nation% or if thats not possible in %AlliedNearbyNation%.

heck if a US (based) company wants to do "Cloud" things in and for say Australia then it stands to reason that a nonzero number of DCs should actually BE IN AUSTRALIA. (don't they have a bit of a bandwidth problem??)

Re:a "sanity check" for everybody (3, Funny)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673095)

WHAT HAPPENS IF IT RAINS??

Grab your gun and bring the cat in.

Re:a "sanity check" for everybody (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673417)

Disclaimer I currently work for Fujitsu (Australia). They have been investing heavily in DC's here in Oz for a while now. Anyone know if Aussie IBM'ers still have to connect to a mainframe in the US to fill out their time sheets?

No America - you're not getting our data. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673039)

One of the reasons we don't like hosting stuff on American servers is due to one of their laws that the FBI (and similar agencies) can obtain data with a warrant that tells the service (cloud) provider not to tell the customer us. We have our own private cloud infrastructure here in Perth and spread to Adelaide and Sydney with talks of having some in Singapore. We do not want our data on cloud infrastructure we don't manage in another country.

Re:No America - you're not getting our data. (3, Insightful)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673425)

This is really true of any pair of countries. The only reason to host data and servers in the US is if it's (much) cheaper or if that data needs to be highly available to your customers in the US. Otherwise, the legal and practical implications of storing your data in a country other than your own make such a decision crazy for businesses.

Correct response (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673043)

Just raise an eyebrow, look the trade representative in the eye for a long, quiet moment, and then get back to work.

Predator Drone Strikes (4, Funny)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673051)

on suspected members of Men-At-Work will soon follow.

Re:Predator Drone Strikes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673581)

Colin Hay is now public enemy #1 and is probably hiding out in a cave in the Australian wilderness...eating a vegemite sandwich!

Re:Predator Drone Strikes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673605)

It's about time! Emilio Estevez and Charlie Sheen are a menace!

Cloud Perception (5, Informative)

rogueippacket (1977626) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673069)

As someone who regularly solutions cloud services for customers, I can assure you, the exact location of the cloud is very important to our big customers. Being able to say it's based out of entirely Canadian datacenters on an entirely Canadian network is a huge advantage over our competitors south of the border. It's not like any of them have been bitten yet, but the perception is that their data is much less safe in another country.

Re:Cloud Perception (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673199)

Oh, God, you did not just use "solution" as a verb, did you? Really?

Re:Cloud Perception (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673423)

Yep. He's one of them. You know who.The Marketeers.

RUN!!!!!!!

Re:Cloud Perception (1)

RodBee (2607323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673503)

Oh, God, you did not just use "solution" as a verb, did you? Really?

Yeah, I, too, felt the grim whispers of PR hell from here.

Re:Cloud Perception (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673371)

You're fooling yourself. The Canadian government will bend over to the US in an instant. Even for things that are not illegal in Canada. Heck, the Canadian government even extradites its own citizens to the US for activities that are legal in Canada. If Canadian citizens are not safe, I don't data is.

Best to avoid Canada (really, an outpost of the US) completely. Try for a country with real privacy laws and a backbone.

Re:Cloud Perception (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673397)

As someone who regularly solutions cloud services for customers, I can assure you, the exact location of the cloud is very important to our big customers. Being able to say it's based out of entirely Canadian datacenters on an entirely Canadian network is a huge advantage over our competitors south of the border. It's not like any of them have been bitten yet, but the perception is that their data is much less safe in another country.

Not just perception.

I work for an international company, and we frequently have problems pushing legal cases where the server / data and victims are in different countries. So it's not just a question of risking foreign laws or foreign governments accessing the data. We have had a dutch guy attacking our services for a year now, and even stole personal info on thousands of dutch people. We have exact logs on everything, detailed proof of him trying to sell the information onwards, a recorded confession from somebody helping him (and promise to assist the police)... But the dutch police refuse to do anything as the one service is on a server in another European country, and the stolen data on a server in the US. They are not interested that it's a dutch company, dutch attacker and dutch victims. They did't even care that he has phished hundreds of dutch people...

Re:Cloud Perception (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673415)

Did you really say you 'solution' shit? WTF does that mean? Jebus.

Victorian Privacy Commissioner (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673077)

Is that the person responsible for safeguarding Victoria's secret?

Re:Victorian Privacy Commissioner (1)

captain_sweatpants (1997280) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673173)

indubitably my good man.

Dear United States trade representative (5, Informative)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673081)

Fuck You.

whoa (3, Informative)

nomadic (141991) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673085)

The U.S. trade representative, whose sole job is to promote U.S. companies overseas, is complaining because the Australian government is telling Australian companies not to use American companies for a certain service? In other word, a guy whose job it is to complain about trade barriers is complaining about trade barriers? HOW DARE HE?

Re:whoa (2)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673147)

Yes, the US trade representative is merely doing his job. Hopefully that cuts both ways - that he is informing his superiors about the guffaws that his statements are triggering.

Ultimately it might trigger some reciprocity or treaty generation that would make it less important what country was hosting the data.

Re:whoa (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673175)

That's what I'm seeing, too, pretty much. Australian government says that American servers are insecure, American government takes offense at that, Slashdot fans the flames of government conspiracy theories...

Just a typical Friday morning.

Oh come on, now (2)

F69631 (2421974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673323)

First of all, he is supposed to point out *real* trade barriers. When Australian government provides information about the numerous problems of using USA based cloud services from Australia (connection problems, lag, ability of USA government to snoop on it, etc.), he's not obligated to complain...

That said, if it was coming from any other country, I could go "Just some government official overstepping a bit. It happens. Nobody will listen. Why is this newsworthy?" but USA has *very* strong track-record about massive behind-the-scenes lobbying in issues similar to this one (see: USA influence on other countries' copyright legislation, etc.) and whenever something actually gets out, it's probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Shove off US (2)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673087)

Just because the US blindly trusts China and India with their data, doesn't mean the rest of the world wants to trust anyone but their own country.

wtf? (4, Interesting)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673097)

As a US citizen, I can't help but think WTF. Let them (and the rest of the world, for that matter) do whatever the fuck they want.

Ah, US government wants to own Australia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673101)

So that the FBI and NSA can search data belonging to Australians whenever they damn well like?

Well guess what?

They can just **** off.

Right on (1)

no-body (127863) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673103)

don't want your cloud data backed up in Utah!

What? (4, Insightful)

Antarell (930241) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673105)

Did the clown sprouting this crap listen to himself? God forbid a country that isn't the USA look after it's own industries and interests! To be honest I and many Aussies can't trust the Yanks as far as we could throw them, let alone let them store our data. Typical self centred 2 year old tantrum by some Yank dickwad who thinks the world should revolve around the USA. Yet another reason to build a 100ft wall around the USA until their idiot government/corporations (same thing?) learn to play with the grown ups.

We are no lapdogs (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673111)

I perceive that housing data in the US not just a security risk but also a not sound investment.

We (Australians) prefer knowing whom we are storing data with and knowing that it doesn't leave the country.

If we did store the data offsite and an International link goes down then we would be hamstrung until that link is fixed or re-routed.

Why is this news? (5, Interesting)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673113)

The point of a trade representative to another country is to shill, without principle, for the interests of their country's economy. If the US Trade Representative gets too pushy, just remind him that if the US ever has any intention of "containing China," Australia is one of those "do not piss off, under any circumstances" regional bases. It's especially important to have on our good side in the event China ever goes batshit crazy by seizing Taiwan, then says "since we've already risked WWIII, let's just go ahead and invade South Korea and Japan as well since their armies aren't worth shit."

Ob (5, Insightful)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673129)

Would you store your beer collection in a country where it's legal to piss in it?

Data Centers Location Matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673163)

If they are that concerned with location, why don't companies who want to sell them a service just setup a datacenter in Australia and follow the local law. Oh I see that would cost money and they already have datacenters in the us they could use.

"their data being scrutinized by foreign governme" (1)

Paracelcus (151056) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673169)

Yeah, and the worst, most intrusive government award goes to....

Smelly Cloud of Gas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673185)

I think the US trade representative is a baboon that just learned how to read.

Re:Smelly Cloud of Gas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673195)

You give him too much credit.

In other news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673211)

Australia will strongly critize that USA stores their data on-shore in USA. Furthermore they wish that all american jobs should be relocated to Australia to help fight australian unemployment.

Lost in Google Translator (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673215)

I don't get it, did this get mixed up when this was translated from the original Australian?

Basic national security tip : (1)

Vlaix (2567607) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673217)

Keep your data, and everything actually sensitive domestic and well under control. The US doesn't own the security of individuals and nations over the world, and as I see it (I'm not US based nor an American citizen) it can't really afford it anymore, only claim it. The US barks, but I doubt it will bite. And there's a more practical issue : Australia is not easily connected to the rest of the world and the Australian network is already full of friction as it is.

Free Trade is Great (2)

cfulton (543949) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673227)

As long as America makes the rules. What do you think the US government would do if we started storing all of our data on Australian servers? We would tell Americans that it is safer and more productive to keep that data here. This country is so full of itself; It is amazing.

Really (2)

RetiredMidn (441788) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673285)

Next thing you know, they'll want to drink their own beer, too.

Duh (4, Interesting)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673325)

I work for an American cloud service provider, and even we do not want to store our(customers') data in the U.S. The patriot act is a huge obstacle when selling to foreign customers. Hence why we have a major data center in Canada, and are looking at putting one in the U.K.

(see http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/12/patriot-act-and-privacy-laws-take-a-bite-out-of-us-cloud-business.ars [arstechnica.com] )

Sorry (4, Interesting)

Scarred Intellect (1648867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673367)

Dear Australia,

I, an American Citizen and veteran of the Marine Corps where I served an an infantry machine gunner, and filling billets including intelligence analyst and company clerk, sincerely apologize for this.

Although this isn't my fault (for I was not allowed to vote while I was in the service. This is my opinion, I found it too much of a coincidence that my ballot and that of a friend from the same state arrived exactly 1 month to the day after it was supposed to be postmarked for return. Twice.), you can bet I will vote this round, and will not be voting for anyone that is currently in office, for they all allow these things to happen, which is an embarrassment to us all.

I'm E-mailing my senators and congressman now. I have other concerns to raise with them anyway, like why my state charges sales tax on private sales of vehicles (double taxation) and why they want to charge tax on the Real Market Value of said vehicle even though it was sold for 1/3 that price (taxing money not spent).

Sincerely,
Troubled American Citizen

P.S. Are you guys still open for citizenship? At times it's more prudent to abandon a sinking vessel rather than continue trying to fix what is so severely broken.

Standing up for their privacy rights (1)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673387)

Maybe someone needs a dose of laser guided democracy!

I think ... (1)

davetv (897037) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673447)

The USA media demigods prolly claiming all rights to Waltzing Matilda and Advance Australia Fair

True (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673481)

Trust no one. Encrypt everything.

Wow, just wow. (2)

hipp5 (1635263) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673523)

Because of the US Patriot Act the province in which I live has made it illegal for me, a government employee, to store personal information (including email addresses, age, views about things, etc.) about citizens on US servers. If I do I could be fined $2,000 and my municipal office could be fined $500,000. Sooo Mr. US, repeal your Patriot Act and then come back to us about using your servers.

Re:Wow, just wow. (1)

davetv (897037) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673545)

No Australian organisation with a CIO worth a crust would set up with hosting offshore. We have world class local hosting.

And the truth shall set you free (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | more than 2 years ago | (#39673563)

Is the US upset that the Aussies are storing data on-shore or that the government there is telling the truth of the perils of storing off-shore?

Why would anyone in their right mind.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673613)

..want to store their data in the US?

With their history of Illegal Wiretapping, Ignoring treaties they've ratified, Ignoring international law, performing industrial espionage and doing just about whatever the hell they want without regards to economic impact or deaths inflicted - it's just plain stupid.

The simple fact of the matter is that you cannot trust the US Government to be honest.

The latency kills you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673615)

Even if the USA had sane laws & law enforcement, the fact that your data is sitting on the other side of the planet adds a lot of latency.

The speed of light is the limiting factor, and we haven't figured out how to beat that one yet.

Further, the high cost of fat pipes in Australia strongly discourages cloud providers.

Complete hypocrisy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39673621)

This is complete hypocrisy from the US, as per usual. They demand on-shore "GovCloud" hosting from the likes of Amazon (http://aws.amazon.com/govcloud-us/) and other cloud providers, yet expect other countries to offshore their data to the US?

Crazy.

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