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The Three Flavors of Windows 8

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the time-to-choose dept.

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First time accepted submitter Kelerei writes "Windows 8 has been confirmed as the official name for the next x86/x64 version of Windows, which will be released in two editions: a home edition (simply named 'Windows 8') featuring an updated Windows Explorer, Task Manager, improved multi-monitor support and 'the ability to switch languages on the fly,' while a professional edition ('Windows 8 Pro') adds features for businesses and technical professionals such as encryption, virtualization and domain connectivity. Windows Media Center will not be included in the Pro edition and will be available separately as part of a 'media pack' add-on. A third edition, branded as 'Windows RT,' will be available for ARM-based systems."

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Can't wait!!! (-1, Troll)

PrivateBill (2619899) | about 2 years ago | (#39709967)

I've been running the test version of Windows 8 in recent months and it has been great. The Metro UI is slick while also all the internal tools and parts have been improved - for example task manager is simple, but you can expand it to include great amount of information. The technology behind the new Windows is also sound, and it will be interesting to see how it runs on Windows ARM tablets - especially those from Nokia. Yeahh!!

Re:Can't wait!!! (5, Informative)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#39710021)

Oh look, a shill post in the first message.

You're supposed to wait a bit so as to not be so obvious. /tip

--
BMO

Re:Can't wait!!! (4, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#39710107)

I was going to accuse you of giving a knee-jerk reaction against anyone saying something good about Windows 8, but then I checked OP's post history.

This is literally his only post, so yea, shill.

Re:Can't wait!!! (0)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 2 years ago | (#39710169)

You're supposed to wait a bit so as to not be so obvious.

Yeah, and so your coveted First Post won't go to waste on shilling.

Re:Can't wait!!! (4, Interesting)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | about 2 years ago | (#39710041)

You've been running Windows 8 on the Desktop? I'm not ranting, I'm interested. What's your setup? What do you do "normally"?

I'm asking because I'm more of the "tiled window manager" and "I want my windows where I want them" type, and I can hardly imagine working with something like Gnome 3, Unity or Metro (hell, I have trouble working with Explorer)...but that doesn't mean that I'm resistant to learning the benefits of those system.

Re:Can't wait!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710093)

Completely right. Damn kids need to get off my Ion3, Captain Ion not withstanding.

Re:Can't wait!!! (4, Informative)

adonoman (624929) | about 2 years ago | (#39710333)

I've tried it out on the desktop, and the metro on desktop thing leaves much to be desired, but they at least left the desktop like it was in windows 7. If you never use the metro apps, the goofy start screen just acts like a giant start menu, even with incremental search. Once you've launched a desktop app, it works like always with the taskbar on the bottom (that they've finally stretched over all the monitors). My biggest complaint is that it's basically like working with two computers - one running metro, and one running windows, and switching back and forth is far from seamless.

Re:Can't wait!!! (0)

Korin43 (881732) | about 2 years ago | (#39710515)

The idea is basically that if you want to use something like your browser, email, an IDE, etc., there's no reason to have multiple windows up, since they'll just distract you from what you're doing. Windows 7 and GNOME 3 (and possible others) have quick gestures for putting two windows on half of the screen each, but the idea is that generally you don't need more than that (although it would be nice if they had a way to handle it), and most things can just be left in a random place in the background (IMs, email, whatever you're not doing at this moment).

It's sort of the same idea as the Dark Room [misled.us] text editor (fullscreen, no toolbar, no styling) -- they're less options, but you'll focus better without them.

Re:Can't wait!!! (5, Insightful)

jrumney (197329) | about 2 years ago | (#39710573)

The idea is basically that if you want to use something like your browser, email, an IDE, etc., there's no reason to have multiple windows up,

Yeah, what sort of software developer would ever need to look up documentation or consult an email while they were coding?

Re:Can't wait!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710079)

What's that you say? Even pr0n looks better?

Re:Can't wait!!! (1)

Crasoose (1621969) | about 2 years ago | (#39710081)

The amount of exclamation marks told me all I needed to know about how I should value this review.

Re:Can't wait!!! (5, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | about 2 years ago | (#39710209)

While I will admit that the technical underpinnings of Windows 8 and Server 8 are a pretty reasonable improvement over 7/2008 R2, the Metro UI is a big step backwards in terms of desktop usability for all but the most basic users and the way they've included some bits of it - seemingly at random - in the server platform is mystifying to me.

If the whole Metro tiles thing was just a front-end to make it easier for average users to find, organise and launch their applications then I'd be fine with it, but it's not, it's a whole new suite of "apps" in addition to all the existing desktop versions, only without silly things like multitasking included.

Put it this way, as someone who has been using Windows in one form or another for close to 20 years, I really shouldn't have to spend 5 minutes trying to work out where the hell they've moved "Shut Down" to because it's behind a totally un-signposted hotspot at the bottom right of the taskbar and then a non-obvious icon labelled "Settings" and finally the "Power" option under that (Yes, Alt-F4 still works, but that's hardly the point, or useful over a windowed RDP session).

Re:Can't wait!!! (1)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | about 2 years ago | (#39710279)

Well on the other hand we clearly have Windows playing follow-up to Gnome in terms of usability! Score one for opensource!

Re:Can't wait!!! (1)

leonardluen (211265) | about 2 years ago | (#39710495)

and yet the normal Windows user will still have never heard of Gnome, nor will they care when you tell them about it.

Re:Can't wait!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710227)

BINGO!

I had Metro, task manager, technology, Windows ARM, and Nokia across.

Re:Can't wait!!! (5, Interesting)

DrXym (126579) | about 2 years ago | (#39710327)

The Metro UI is a heap of shit on the desktop. It wastes too much space, requires far too much mouse travel, is wholly unsuited to the 100+ program icons that most users would have in a typical start menu. It isn't even discoverable either, being hidden in the corner with no clue its there. It can be fixed but as it stands in the consumer preview it is horrible. It needs a launcher icon (e.g. reinstate the windows logo), multiple selection, sort functionality, zoom in / zoom out, program grouping and more besides. With all that it might stand a chance as a replacement for the Start menu.

Don't forget Windows 8 Enterprise.... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710025)

With all the boss features... PC management and deployment, advanced security, virtualization, mobility scenarios and so on

http://www.cmswire.com/cms/mobile/official-microsoft-names-windows-8-for-intel-windows-rt-for-arm-015185.php

Re:Don't forget Windows 8 Enterprise.... (5, Insightful)

DJRumpy (1345787) | about 2 years ago | (#39710231)

Really wish MS would stop with all of the micromanaged 'versions' of Windows. It adds complexity where none is needed. A home user doesn't need those features but it doesn't hurt to include them. A business user probably doesn't need media center features but again it doesn't hurt to include them. I don't know what their 'game' is here as I don't see a profit motive for splitting up all of these offerings. Are they seriously hoping someone will buy two different versions to get everything they need?

Also, what's with the X86/X64 offerings? Any decent OS should allow you to just boot into the proper kernel. Requiring a dedicated install to switch between x86/x64 is just stupid not to put too fine a point on it.

Re:Don't forget Windows 8 Enterprise.... (3, Insightful)

colinrichardday (768814) | about 2 years ago | (#39710443)

I don't see a profit motive for splitting up all of these offerings. Are they seriously hoping someone will buy two different versions to get everything they need?

Ever hear of price discrimination? The different versions are not identical, but close enough. Microsoft expects businesses to pay more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination [wikipedia.org]

Re:Don't forget Windows 8 Enterprise.... (3, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 2 years ago | (#39710471)

I'm wondering why they include x86 at all for WINTEL platform. Why not just say "we think that x86 computers cannot run Win8 acceptably so we are removing this as an option to prevent people from even trying" But then again, they think they can get it to run acceptably on ARM so ...

Windows 8 should be Balmer's last failure.

Re:Don't forget Windows 8 Enterprise.... (3, Informative)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#39710615)

Some Atoms are still 32-bit, aren't they?

Also, if you want to run old 16-bit apps you still need 32-bit Windows or some kind of emulator.

Re:Don't forget Windows 8 Enterprise.... (3, Informative)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 2 years ago | (#39710485)

Are they seriously hoping someone will buy two different versions to get everything they need?

Yup. One license included by the OEM on the cheap machines the small business orders, then another license (and fee) for the version with the features the business actually needs.

Also, what's with the X86/X64 offerings?

My understanding is that the x64 version also runs the Windows-On-Windows system, which provides the backwards-compatibility for 32-bit software. That means a different registry structure, different drivers, different libraries... A separate installation seems to be the easy way.

RT Aplenty (5, Funny)

aurashift (2037038) | about 2 years ago | (#39710037)

Growing up "RT" was code for "Rock Tit" A.K.A. Stiff Nipples. Although I can't say that the RT name choice gives me any...

Re:RT Aplenty (3, Informative)

Kelerei (2619511) | about 2 years ago | (#39710109)

Original submitter here. :)

TFA mentions (and I quote): "the focus for Windows RT is development on the new Windows runtime, or WinRT..." -- so, I'm guessing that that's where the name comes from. I blame lack of caffeine at the time for leaving that out of the submission.

Bit of a bland choice though, in my opinion.

Alleged "no-compromise experience" (2)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#39710051)

From the article: "All editions of Windows 8 offer a no-compromise experience." But from previous articles, we know that Windows RT (formerly Windows on ARM) is licensed under terms that prohibit the manufacturer from allowing a dual boot [slashdot.org] with Android, Ubuntu, *BSD, or any other operating system. So the closest thing to a no-compromise Windows tablet would probably have to be an Atom tablet.

Re:Alleged "no-compromise experience" (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#39710207)

No compromise from the user perspective, the admin perspective, or Microsoft's perspective?

It looks like the attitude is "you'll take metro and like it, luzer."

Re:Alleged "no-compromise experience" (1)

billcopc (196330) | about 2 years ago | (#39710211)

If it were a no-compromise experience, then they'd release just one goddamned edition of the OS at one price point and let you add/remove feature sets if and when needed.

In other words, just the Pro, thank you. Segmenting an operating system in 2012 is antiquated and moronic. All it does is piss off us techies who are forced to support the substandard "Home" editions.

Re:Alleged "no-compromise experience" (4, Insightful)

_LORAX_ (4790) | about 2 years ago | (#39710265)

Especially in light of the fact that MS considers such basics as "network backup" as Pro features.

forgot the fourth flavor, the torrent (4, Funny)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#39710055)

Does the fourth flavor, torrent, have pro + the media addon "slipstreamed" in or what?

I'm not about to actually use anything other than XP at home or work anytime soon, but its interesting to know about.

Re:forgot the fourth flavor, the torrent (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710137)

The torrent version also ships with 50% less malware and won't bitch about being non-genuine every five minutes. Count me in.

Re:forgot the fourth flavor, the torrent (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 2 years ago | (#39710397)

Does the fourth flavor, torrent, have pro + the media addon "slipstreamed" in or what?

No, the three original flavors of Windows 8 are codenamed: 'chocolate pudding', 'vanilla ice-cream', and 'strawberry marmalade'. The legendary eight flavor of Windows 8 is so delicious, that most people are deemed unworthy to experience it or even utter it's true name. Thus it was hidden away in a heavily guarded and nuclear-strke proof bunker beneath Microsoft HQ.

Metro (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710057)

Metro is a shit sandwich. Having 3 versions of Windows 8 is appropriate. Buns and filler.

Hi Oakgrove (0)

earls (1367951) | about 2 years ago | (#39710147)

I enjoyed this post on Engadget yesterday.

Re:Hi Oakgrove (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710549)

And it was as true yesterday as it is today. I pity MS' customers when this steaming pile is foisted on them. Everytime I use it, it literally makes me queasy how terrible it is.

oh, fuck you, MS (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710059)

Windows Media Center will not be included in the Pro edition and will be available separately as part of a 'media pack' add-on.

So any power user, e.g. worker from home, will have to buy a Pro edition *and* this stupid add-on?

No, I kid, I'll be using one of the student discount packages, and I fully expect the rest of you will either do that or visit your usual supplier.

No, I kid, I'll be sticking with Windows 7 because I'd rather poke my eyes out than have my huge multimonitor setup replaced by a set of tiles every time I want to visit the Start Menu.

No domain connectivity for Home edition...again. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710069)

Why must they purposely cripple certain versions?

Re:No domain connectivity for Home edition...again (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#39710095)

It costs Microsoft money to maintain "certain versions". What's the use case for a domain on a home network, as opposed to a workgroup?

Re:No domain connectivity for Home edition...again (4, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | about 2 years ago | (#39710177)

Product differentiation = tiered profit structure. Makes perfect sense, and those who don't like that can get their Windows from the usual sources.

Windows BTW IS "free" if your time and effort to pirate it, install it then fend off viri and malware is worthless.

Screw that. I'd rather run Linux than Windows, so I do. If an employer chooses to inflict Windows on me, they can pay for it.

Move along, nothing to see here folks. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710073)

We all know Windows 8 is going to be the next "Terrible Windows".

Windows 9 is where it is at. If they even survive.

Re:Move along, nothing to see here folks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710223)

Wasn't that the rule for Star Trek films?

Re:Move along, nothing to see here folks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710313)

9? I'm running 11 already! Oh wait - we're talking about Windows, not Firefox.

fwiw, FF11 is pretty good, but I'm looking forward to FF12 which gives HTML support to the DOMParser

WMC not included? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 2 years ago | (#39710077)

Hmmm...that will make things interesting. If you're shelling out cash for that 10' interface, and it's a separate install, it's going to have to compete on a more equal footing with all the other media centers that are available. Will this be the beginning of the end of WMC?

BUT (1, Interesting)

trum4n (982031) | about 2 years ago | (#39710099)

Do you need Pro just to use Dual Processors(not talking cores, talking SOCKETS) like in Win7? Cause i'm really sick of that.

Re:BUT (2)

Joe U (443617) | about 2 years ago | (#39710161)

How many people have a dual socket system at home and are not considered a computer professional?

Suck it up and deduct the expense from your business taxes.

Re:BUT (1)

trum4n (982031) | about 2 years ago | (#39710475)

Not a business. Home user. Paid 250$ for a Dual Quad Core Xeon system that is a retired server. It's quite a monster. And i have 10 legit win7 home premium licenses, why should i have to pay more?

Continuing to split versions? (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#39710101)

I just cannot fathom why at this point that Microsoft still does not grasp how important security is.

Nothing makes this more clear than withholding advanced encryption features or even virtualization from the general consumer version.

This continued split of versions at this point is just absurd, and confusing to the market. You'd think by now Microsoft would learn to simplify - I guess not. Must be nice being a monopoly that scores of companies have no choice but to ship whatever you put out.

Re:Continuing to split versions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710195)

At least they've trimmed down the number of versions... for now.

Re:Continuing to split versions? (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 2 years ago | (#39710249)

I just cannot fathom why at this point that Microsoft still does not grasp how important security is.

Nothing makes this more clear than withholding advanced encryption features or even virtualization from the general consumer version.

They're in the business of making money, not providing important services.

This continued split of versions at this point is just absurd, and confusing to the market. You'd think by now Microsoft would learn to simplify - I guess not. Must be nice being a monopoly that scores of companies have no choice but to ship whatever you put out.

Back in the day, "only one version" was one of their arguments against using Linux.

Re:Continuing to split versions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710533)

Actually its a business tax. The computers a business buy will come with windows 8 or 8 pro. Since it isn't consistent the shop will just get a bulk license anyways for the pro they actually need for network management.

Re:Continuing to split versions? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710277)

I just cannot fathom why at this point that Microsoft still does not grasp how important security is.

No, Microsoft understands perfectly well how important security is

It's the consumer who doesn't. Or they don't care.

Microsoft just sees a market for an OS with stripped down security features, so they provide.

If there aren't enough people buying that version, they'll releasing that version and make all the features baseline.

Re:Continuing to split versions? (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | about 2 years ago | (#39710501)

It's the consumer who doesn't. Or they don't care.

And even if they did care, what could typical consumers do about it?

Re:Continuing to split versions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710307)

It's what MBAs were taught to do... Slice and dice the market so they can extract maximum pounds of flesh from each.

But yeah, my initial reaction was "why does Microsoft think that home users don't need encryption or virtualization?".

1999 Called. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710505)

Must be nice being a monopoly that scores of companies have no choice but to ship whatever you put out.

Monopoly? It's 2012 not 1999, dude.

Looking at that gadgets around my house, Apple has more share of my computing than any single company. Google/Android/Linux is a close second. MS is in 3rd. And that includes desktops and laptops. And I bet most folks are in the same boat. The whole MS is a Monopoly isn't true anymore - even in the corporate world..

Also, I do wish MS would get rid of the 'Home' and 'Pro' on their products and go back to the 'Desktop' and 'Server' names. I hate it when I go a Microcenter or somewhere and they insist on selling some of their machines with only the 'Pro' version on it - like the "Pro" version is somehow better than the "home" version. There's nothing I hate more than waiting for a computer to boot for several minutes up because the system has got to start shit I don't need not want. And when you turn them off in services, it screws up shit you do need.

I think it's because we consumers have been brainwashed into thinking "Pro" versions are somehow better than "consumer" versions; which is true in regards to outdoor power equipment - mostly.

So, people get the "Pro" version and wonder why their computer takes so damn long to boot. So, when they surf the web, they'll just go to the "instant" on Apple product, or in my case, my xubuntu machine which boots up in 30 seconds as opposed to my XP Pro box that takes a good 5 minutes before I can do anything with it.

Re:Continuing to split versions? (4, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | about 2 years ago | (#39710537)

Must be nice being a monopoly that scores of companies have no choice but to ship whatever you put out.

It's no coincidence that most businesses are still on XP/Server2003. I do not look forward to the day our firm "upgrades". Microsoft's only competitor is their past selves, and they often still can't compete; the only way they know to upgrade you is to eliminate support contracts for older versions of Windows, not provide any additional value. Paying money without getting value is a big suck for the economy...

Re:Continuing to split versions? (4, Funny)

RivenAleem (1590553) | about 2 years ago | (#39710539)

I know, it's crazy. What you really want is some sort of Open Source operating system that's modular, whereby you can put together the parts you want.

Or if that's a little too complicated, you could have people who build pre-made packages and distribute them to users based on their needs.

Pity nothing like that exists.

x86 (3, Insightful)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 2 years ago | (#39710103)

The early rumors were that Windows 8 would be x64 only (like Server 2008 R2). From an end-user-with-a-lot-of-32bit-apps perspective, I'm glad to see they're supporting x86. From a sys-admin-who-hates-having-two-architectures-per-print-driver perspective, I can't wait until x86 is dropped altogether.

Re:x86 (4, Informative)

Spad (470073) | about 2 years ago | (#39710269)

And how many of those apps will really not run on a 64-bit OS? I've not come across anything in the last couple of years that won't work under 64-bit Windows 7 unless it has a moronic installer check that it doesn't need or is something ancient that needs the 16-bit subsystem to function.

Re:x86 (5, Informative)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 2 years ago | (#39710309)

x86_64 only means it won't run on 32bit processors, not that it won't run 32 bit software. There's no way they'd break that much software intentionally.

Re:x86 (0)

Deep Esophagus (686515) | about 2 years ago | (#39710563)

My company has been making accounting/management software for a specialized market niche for over 20 years; now it's all cloud of course but originally it was developed on, and for, x86 PCs running MSDOS only. No GUI, no Windows, no networking [insert "get off my lawn" remarks here]...

The point of all this is, it's 16-bit software and some of our longtime customers are reluctant to embrace the 21st century. WE STILL ALLOW THEM TO USE this ancient program that has not changed at all in over 10 years, although we make it clear that we can't really support them if anything breaks. So far the only thing that has broken is 64-bit versions of Windows don't let you run 16-bit software. Just this week I had to tell a customer to go to a pawn shop or ebay or something and find an older computer he can install XP on rather than try to run the old program on his shiny new desktop system he got to make everything faster.

I did try suggesting he create a VM on the new computer rather than get a whole new computer, but he had no idea what I was talking about and I unfortunately didn't have the time it would take to teach him.

Windows 8: The Playskool OS (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710105)

I've been working with Win8 at Intel where I test graphics card drivers. Of all the Windows versions I've ever used (all the way back to v3.1) Windows 8 is the most retarded version I've ever seen! Not only does it hide even more from the user, treating you like you're some mentally-challenged child that has to be kept from hurting yourself, but flat-out stupid things like Safe Mode access being disabled by default! "System Restore" or "System Repair" should NOT be the only option you have when something goes wrong! Yes, you can enable it, but you have to jump through some hoops to do it! Speaking of hoops, you have to jump through a few of those just to get to what in previous versions of Windows were basic system resources, like the Control Panel, My Computer, etc.. Seriously, it's like it's designed for idiot children. At least with Windows 7, I can turn off all the bullshit and make it a functional operating system, but Windows 8, by design, won't let you do enough of that to satisfy me. Is this what computing is coming down to? I may switch everything over to Linux yet.

It's worthwhile remembering (1)

Grindalf (1089511) | about 2 years ago | (#39710113)

Many of the "mobile device" type PC Peripherals (phones, pads etc.) use a cut down intel CPU and will have to use the main intel versions of the OS. A very comprehensive MP3 player is therefore possible, with an NVIDIA mobility chipset for the display. I wonder what games that will allow? Hmmm...

Did MS learn something from Windows 7 "flavours"? (1, Insightful)

dryriver (1010635) | about 2 years ago | (#39710155)

AFAIK, Windows 7 came in a whopping 6 different "flavours", as well as 32-bit and 64-bit, and it confused the hell out of consumers. (Example: "Should I buy that Dell laptop with Home Edition? Or pay 100 Dollars more for that Samsung notebook with Home Premium? But then there is that bigger Toshiba laptop with Windows Professional. 180 bucks more. But wait, the Dell has X good graphics card, while the Samsung has Y not-so-good graphics card, and the Toshiba has 4 GB memory and 750Gig harddisk, but has a mediocre GFX card.. but the Samsung/Dell doesn't have a BluRay player and only comes in black..." BRAIN EXPLODES. --------- What is the fucking point of doing this to consumers, who often don't understand the differences between the "flavour" when choosing a PC anyway? Its all ONE Operating System to begin with. Why not simply call it "Windows 8", include all the features, and be done with it? Or make a plain "Windows 8" for home users and "Windows 8 Pro" for business/power users. But not 4 - 8 different "flavours". It just screws with people's minds, particularly when shopping for the next PC or laptop.

Re:Did MS learn something from Windows 7 "flavours (5, Insightful)

Scutter (18425) | about 2 years ago | (#39710233)

The customers I support will continue to buy whatever the cheapest version is and then get pissed at me when I can't join it to their domain.

Can't tell if 32-bit is a separate SKU? (1)

michaelmalak (91262) | about 2 years ago | (#39710239)

Windows 7 came in a whopping 6 different "flavours", as well as 32-bit and 64-bit

But I couldn't tell from the Windows 8 blog whether 32-bit and 64-bit would be packaged separately or whether the install would automatically detect.

Re:Did MS learn something from Windows 7 "flavours (3, Informative)

The Dancing Panda (1321121) | about 2 years ago | (#39710275)

Not sure what your bitching about. Because

Or make a plain "Windows 8" for home users and "Windows 8 Pro" for business/power users.

That's what they did. The third version is for ARM processors, which obviously needs to be different.

Re:Did MS learn something from Windows 7 "flavours (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | about 2 years ago | (#39710601)

As little as I care for Microsoft, is it their fault that computer manufacturers include different hardware?

Ala Carte (1)

CimmerianX (2478270) | about 2 years ago | (#39710191)

So, 3 'flavors' of windows..... but with all the 'extra' little add-ons that need to be purchased/download/applied.

Sounds like Windows ala carte.

This type of nickel and dime bullcrap really gets under my skin and makes it so much harder for anyone in corp to track licensing issues and the like. And don't give me any of that bullcrap how running some in house licensing server makes things better because I'll be forced to tell you what a fuckin you are whn you scroll through a list of 28 different versions of the same app in the licensing report.

Re:Ala Carte (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710499)

This type of nickel and dime bullcrap really gets under my skin and makes it so much harder for anyone in corp to track licensing issues and the like. And don't give me any of that bullcrap how running some in house licensing server makes things better because I'll be forced to tell you what a fuckin you are whn you scroll through a list of 28 different versions of the same app in the licensing report.

So why use windows then? Go for linux. Not only is it free, but also free of licence tracking and similiar internal bureaucracy. No budget needed for installing on more machines. No viruses, less crashing, better uptime, ...

And yes, I know that some apps only runs on windows. That is not in any way an excuse for running the whole company on windows.

Re:Ala Carte (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | about 2 years ago | (#39710571)

Dare I say I might buy a Mac? I do computer graphics. The windows version of Adobe never has been and never will be as good as the original. Confusing me doesn't make me happy. I'm getting old and don't want to bother tinkering any more with PC's.

Oh, lookie! (5, Insightful)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#39710245)

Microsoft is trying to "appropriate" another established term to create an air of legitimacy of their products and imply capabilities that they do not have.

RTOS is a common name for a "Real-Time Operating System", systems that are commonly used on ARM, and, as their name implies, have real-time capabilities that Windows, of any flavor, never had and likely never will. Please note that "RT" was used for this purpose since at least 1973 (RT-11 operating system by DEC).

Let's look back to Microsoft previous efforts on this path. Many years ago they pulled out of nowhere the "Digital Nervous System" advertising slogan, apparently for no purpose other than to create confusion with DNS, Domain Name System. More recently, again, out of nowhere they called one of the descendants of their unholy marriage of OLE and DDE, ".NET", what would be a really stupid name if it wasn't a standard top-leven domain, and sounded somehow related to ".com", a typical term for an Internet-based business. On top of this, Microsoft was extremely persistent in inventing trademarked terms that sound generic -- "Windows", "Word" are actual trademarks, and "MS SQL Server" is constantly mentioned as "SQL Server", even though the former is a Microsoft trademark and the latter is a generic name for a database server using SQL language that covers dozens of Microsoft competitors.

How about a lawsuit from all RTOS developers (including at least two flavors of Linux-based ones)?

Re:Oh, lookie! (1)

21mhz (443080) | about 2 years ago | (#39710439)

RT can also mean a "runtime", and WinRT is already an established term for the modern set of APIs in Windows 8. But yeah, your theories on their hidden agenda are so much more interesting.

Re:Oh, lookie! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710579)

Nobody fucking thinks it means that except you. RT as in WinRT, in which it stands for "runtime". WinRT being the APIs used to develop Metro applications. And if you're a good example of the sort of person who believes it means "real time", then I don't think there's a risk that you'll accidentally buy Windows 8 for its deceptive "real time" claims.

Crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710257)

Here we go again. I want to run a VM so I have to pay more. But now I also want to have a media center so I take on more $$$. Then, because if I don't like the Ghetto interface, err Metro I'll have to buy a third party app for that.

I'll stick with running Windows XP under a VM under Linux for many years to come. And when support for XP is over I'll just create snapshots before I surf the web and restore afterwards and take my chances with viruses and such. Heck, it's only my employer and your credit cards that are at risk! LOL

Three editions? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#39710259)

I'm reading elsewhere [informationweek.com] that there will be four editions with an Enterprise desktop not mentioned in the summary. Also I didn't read anything about tablet for Intel. Is that dead or will the other editions install on tablet.

Feature : Switch languages on the fly ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710317)

What language does the fly use by default? Why do windows users need a fly?

They could have 14 versions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710329)

I always just torrent the Ultimate/Pro version anyway.

How many versions do you see? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710335)

There are FOUR versions.

"Windows Media Center will not be included in the Pro edition and will be available separately as part of a 'media pack' add-on."

In other words, the "Ultimate" version, but not called "Ultimate".

Sounds familiar (5, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | about 2 years ago | (#39710343)

After installation, a glowing hologram of Clippy appears and gives the user three choices.

Red flavor - Destruction. Win8 destroys itself to revert back to the previously installed OS. Network port is permanently disabled.
Blue flavor - Control. Keeps Win8 installed, but presents only a command line interface. Network port is permanently disabled.
Green flavor - Synthesis. Keeps Metro UI as a fancy DOS shell. Network port is permanently disabled.

Tablet vs Computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39710365)

So Microsoft has declared that an ARM tablet is different from a x86 (if any) based tablet and forces the x86 users to purchase office and device encryption?

Still running XP where I work... (1)

tekrat (242117) | about 2 years ago | (#39710379)

I work for a major fortune 500. We're locked into XP at the moment, and from the looks of things, I see no reason that this is going to change anytime within the next 5 or 6 years. We have significant investment under XP, and all of our current in-house applications are written and tuned for XP.

And with more than half of our development now happening "offshore", it's a good bet we'll be staying with XP -- because our developers use XP. With a company this size, a rollout of Win-8 would cost many billions of dollars, plus a few billion in training costs alone!

Has any *major* corporation invested in Win-7 or even have a plan to roll out Win-8? I think MS is trying to compete in an area they don't belong, and is cutting off their nose to spite their face, so to speak, by snubbing their big corporate clients in favor of a tablet computing fad.

Re:Still running XP where I work... (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#39710489)

It's for reasons like this that "will corporations use it?" isn't the gold standard when it comes to technology.

If you are running your systems like they will *never* change then you haven't learned something along the way. I'm a little sympathetic, but not that much. Computer technology changes because it's supposed to.

Re:Still running XP where I work... (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | about 2 years ago | (#39710497)

We've warned our clients that we're no longing putting in any XP systems, and by 2014 when MS cuts off XP, we plan to have replaced every XP system in the field. That said, we'll probably be standardized on Win7 for a decade.

Re:Still running XP where I work... (2)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | about 2 years ago | (#39710557)

It sounds as if your company has a poorly run IT department. To lock your self into an OS that has been posted numerous times the support would end for it is down right asinine. Even though your not the only company that has done this, its just poor planning, and poor budgeting on IT's part. You could pay for the extra support, but why? have them invest in competent employees and see the profits rise. As far as windows 8 goes, we have no plans to upgrade to it, however windows 9 is already being discussed as a replacement.

No more Chewy Ranch??! (1)

Immerial (1093103) | about 2 years ago | (#39710401)

They got rid of my favorite flavor! http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/02/02 [penny-arcade.com]

On a serious note- I hope they really manage to keep it to just these 3 versions. It should help with their with support and dev costs too (not to mention us folks in the field). Surprised they didn't didn't do this with 7.

Fine Print (0)

DontBlameCanada (1325547) | about 2 years ago | (#39710559)

Use of this product may cause:
- bloating
- sluggish behavior
- loss of memory
- sudden fits of aggression and/or rage
- a prolonged feeling of regret and/or disappointment leading to depression

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