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Anti-Education Attack Poisons 150 Afghan Schoolgirls

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the terrible-people-do-terrible-things dept.

Education 707

An anonymous reader writes "The water at a high school in Afghanistan was contaminated today, poisoning roughly 150 girls in attendance. Afghan officials say this was a deliberate attack: 'We are 100 percent sure that the water they drunk inside their classes was poisoned. This is either the work of those who are against girls' education or irresponsible armed individuals.' From the article: 'Some of the 150 girls, who suffered from headaches and vomiting, were in critical condition, while others were able to go home after treatment in hospital, the officials said. They said they knew the water had been poisoned because a larger tank used to fill the affected water jugs was not contaminated. ... None of the officials blamed any particular group for the attack, fearing retribution from anyone named.'"

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RoP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712201)

Religion of Peace. We should be tolerant of their views.

Why is this moderated down? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712265)

The comment is absolutely on the mark.

Re:Why is this moderated down? (1, Insightful)

fredrated (639554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712417)

How about because the article mentions no religion?

Re:Why is this moderated down? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712509)

Oh, like a wandering band of Shinto Priests did this?

Re:Why is this moderated down? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712773)

No kidding. It's too bad mental retardation runs so rampant in the politically correct.

Re:Why is this moderated down? (-1, Offtopic)

fredrated (639554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712839)

It's really a matter of not making assumptions; of trying to keep in mind what one actually knows as distinct from what one assumes to be true.

Re:Why is this moderated down? (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39713027)

Lets keep in mind the whole context. i.e. not teaching women; which has a religious foundation in that part of the world.

Re:Why is this moderated down? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39713013)

How to tell the difference between a peaceful religion and a non-peaceful religion.

A peaceful religion - like Buddhism - is where adherents are invited to attend, learn, discuss, and ultimately choose whether or not to accept the tenets and philosophy of the faith. A member of a peaceful religion may set himself on fire in protest of the mistreatment of others, but will not actively attempt to harm another person.

A non-peaceful religion - like Islam - is where adherents are told to convert or die [wikipedia.org] , have their heads cut off [wikipedia.org] if they don't convert, subjects members of other religions to derogatory and humiliating extra taxes and second-class legal status or worse [wikipedia.org] , sentences people to death [jihadwatch.org] for converting away from it, and starts wars of conquest to enlarge the areas in which they can practice barbarism openly. They may also be religions that were founded by hyper-polygynists who may or may not have been pedophiles [wikipedia.org] (remind [wikipedia.org] you of anyone [wikipedia.org] else [wikipedia.org] ?)

In short:
- A buddhist will set himself on fire to protest your mistreatment of other people.
- A muslim will set your kids on fire to protest your open practice of another religion if you live in a Muslim country.

Difference not difficult to determine.

Re:Why is this moderated down? (4, Informative)

Khashishi (775369) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712753)

Last sentence: "Education for women was outlawed by the Taliban government from 1996-2001 as un-Islamic."

Re:Why is this moderated down? (2, Insightful)

TheMathemagician (2515102) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712705)

No it isn't. It's the most intellectually lazy way of criticising Muslims imaginable. Americans predominantly espouse Christianity but it doesn't seem to stop them invading countries like Iraq and killing 100,000 people. Extremists responsible for this attack represent Muslims about as accurately as McVeigh represents Christians.

Re:Why is this moderated down? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712951)

Yes, because weekly hundreds of McVeighs gear up for roadside bombings and suicide missions in the name of Christianity and whack job right-wing conspiracy theories. It's every bit as prominent as Muslim terrorism, but it's never, ever, mentioned in the news.
I don't know why the fuck we're in Iraq anymore but it's not due to Christianity.

Re:Why is this moderated down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39713001)

Extremists responsible for this attack represent Muslims about as accurately as McVeigh represents Christians.

Except of course that he does. You really need to learn to pay more attention to what these groups of crazies are saying and doing - the Christians in North America and most of Europe don't publicly promote violence and murder as much as their compatriots in places like Africa, but they still support it. Most of the big name evangelicals are fully in support of idiocy like witch hunts in Africa, because they send tonnes of their follower's financial donations to their partners there, who are the ones funding, organizing, and demanding said witch hunts. So yeah, McVeigh is pretty damn representative of Christianity, just the parts of it that don't show up here very often. In the same way, religious fanatics in both Christian and Muslim camps are constantly coming down against both education in general (educated people are harder to con into stupid shit, and tend to question things), and against women's rights (Women are of course, regarded as less than human by fundamentalists on both sides as well).

Really, the only source of criticism that I can think of about calling this an example of Muslims being all peaceful and understanding in exactly the way they usually are in that area of the world, is that it's also typical behavior for all of the other religious fundamentalist groups in the region, Christian, Jewish, or other, and the "we won't say who we think did it, because then they'll come after us even more" applies equally to all of them as well.

Re:Why is this moderated down? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712947)

I'm told I'm too nice. I'm due for being jaded. Even I find it hard to ignore this. Yes, there are likely some moderate members of the predominate faith in the region that wouldn't do this. By that I mean Islam. I can point to good and dangerously fanatical Christians in this country. So it is tempting to say don't blame the faith, but the believer.

Keep in mind this. You get an extremist Muslim, and you have Al Qaeda and the Taliban. You get an extremist Christian, and you get the Westboro Church. You the witch trials. You get people wanting to ban birth control and to set the engine of progress to reverse.

The more fanatical as a Jain you become the more and more likely you are to become a pacifist, take up veganism and even change your footwear as to not even harm grass.

People, individually, can be nuts and monstrous, but that doesn't mean the religious soil they grow in does not factor into this.

Re:RoP (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712399)

Religion of Peace. We should be tolerant of their views.

Show me in the Koran where it prohibits educating girls?

It's a cultural thing. Traditional (read patriarcal) societies that treat women as second class citiczens or as property all do horrible things like this.

And it's not right at all. Any culture that values males more than females is a backwards culture. In varying degrees, India, China, Japan, the Arab nations, Persians, most of the African countries, you names them - all backwards cultures. And most of them are paying a very heavy price for it. And in just about all cases, religion is used as an excuse for their deplorable behavior - it's not the cause.

Re:RoP (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712495)

Ah, so Republicans' desire to outlaw birth control is cultural, not religious. Poor backward Republicans.

Re:RoP (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712627)

Unless abortion is birth control, you're just making shit up. Move along.

Re:RoP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712759)

Unless abortion is birth control, you're just making shit up. Move along.

Do a quick Google search.

Re:RoP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712885)

Republicans just don't want to have to pay for someone else's birth control, you troll. Google will bring up your lie as well as thousands of others, but that in no way makes it true. Republicans disagree with the recent change in Federal policy that will cause increases in health insurance costs to pay for 'free' birth control. How about the women, and the men involved in the benefits of the birth control pay for it instead of adding an even greater penalty to the working people out there that aren't getting any from that particular relationship? But NO... You want to spin this into Republican's wanting to outlaw birth control for religious reasons. It's a lie... It's crap. If you can't win on your ideas, if you can't sell it, you do this shit. THIS is why there is such a great divide in America today. YOU are why there is such a great divide in America today.

Re:RoP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712985)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_laws#Contraception

Funny, they made it illegal once before for religious reasons. Why should we expect them not to try it again?

Re:RoP (4, Insightful)

dpilot (134227) | more than 2 years ago | (#39713051)

By this line of reasoning, we need 2 more bills before Congress:

1 - Doctors and hospitals are absolved of blame in refusing to tread non-paying patients, and are permitted to eject them.

2 - We need a public health organization to collect and cremate uncollected bodies found on public property, or upon request uncollected bodies found on private property. This is of course subject to finding that the death was natural and not the result of foul play. This is necessary to safeguard the water supply, and because trained personnel are required to safely handle such bodies.

EITHER !!!

You are going to be compassionate about medical care, in which case you'd better be as efficient about it as possible. In which case paying for birth control is a heck of a lot cheaper than paying for emergency childbirth care.

OR !!!

You have to adopt the, "Go away and die," model. There is very little in-between. Health care as practiced in the US today is one of the lease efficient ways to run it. There is effectively universal emergency care, but no universal preventive care. That pretty much guarantees that some portion of the population will require expensive medical care.

Re:RoP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712875)

HUCKABEE: Would you have supported a constitutional amendment that would have established definition of life beginning of life at conception?
ROMNEY: Absolutely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovHWulL3Ydw [youtube.com]

That would make any contragestive birth control, such as an IUD, illegal.

Re:RoP (3, Informative)

slapout (93640) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712889)

Republican's don't want to outlaw birth control. They just don't think the government should pay for it.

Re:RoP (4, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712983)

Why? Its a fucking health service. Why should birth control be special from antibiotics when it comes to healthcare. Its a religious objection, flat out.

Re:RoP (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712529)

Religion of Peace. We should be tolerant of their views.

Show me in the Koran where it prohibits educating girls?

It's a cultural thing. Traditional (read patriarcal) societies that treat women as second class citiczens or as property all do horrible things like this.

And it's not right at all. Any culture that values males more than females is a backwards culture. In varying degrees, India, China, Japan, the Arab nations, Persians, most of the African countries, you names them - all backwards cultures. And most of them are paying a very heavy price for it. And in just about all cases, religion is used as an excuse for their deplorable behavior - it's not the cause.

A distinction without a difference.

Re:RoP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712579)

Show me in the Koran where it prohibits educating girls?

By their deeds you shall know them.

Re:RoP (5, Insightful)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712693)

I was just watching a talk by NDT on "Intelligent Design". In that, he made an excellent observation about how, for a 300 year period, the Arab world was the center of intellectual progress in the world. 2/3 of all stars with names have Arabic names. They discovered 0, they gave us algebra.

Then... a new religious philosophy arose that taught that mathematics was the work of the Devil. This wasn't Mohamed.... it wasn't there in the beginings of Islam. For many years, these problems didn't exist.

The sobering thought there is... as he points out.... this period of advancement ended with the rise of this anti-scientific ideology. Just think, there are a Billion Muslims, and only a handful of Muslim/Arab nobel prize winners. If they hadn't ended their period of advancement hundreds of years before Europe became the new center of intellectual progress... where would we be today? How much raw talent just went totally unused because of these ideologies.

Honestly.... I have little doubt that there would be people posting comments from Lunar or martian colonies by now if not for this terrible ideology.

Re:RoP (3, Informative)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39713033)

They got zero from India, and the Babylonians had a placeholder for it back before 1000 B.C.

Re:RoP (3, Insightful)

Rosy At Random (820255) | more than 2 years ago | (#39713043)

The problem is that we have a religious culture that encourages extremely high levels of obedience, faithfulness and passion. And this is not necessarily going to cause problems, but....

But it's unstable, like a dictatorship. Your first dictator might be a fine Wise Benevolent Leader, and everybody's happy. But then his son takes over, and he's maybe something more on the Cackling Lunatic Leader side of thing. You're trapped in a system that doesn't regulate itself. As long as you're shackled to the ideologies attached to a name, rather than the rationale behind the ideologies themselves, something horrible can go wrong.

And it has.

Re:RoP (2)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712695)

I agree, I heard that in India, a man set his wife on fire for THINKING she was having an affair, and he got off with a slap on the wrist, even though she may or may not have been cheating, as he had no real proof.
I hate any cheater, but come on....that is just sick!

Re:RoP (4, Insightful)

daem0n1x (748565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712781)

I hate any cheater, but come on....that is just sick!

Why would you hate someone for doing something that doesn't affect you, for reasons you have no idea of?

obvious troll is obvious.. (0)

publiclurker (952615) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712843)

At least make an effort.

Re:RoP (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712763)

The bible may be just as bad (especially in the early bits) but the quran "god" awfull. It is quite explicit that at least in the case of courts of law and of inheritance a woman is worth half of a man, and that the lot of women is to obey their husbands on account of their inferiority, if their husband does badly they will get sent to hell with them but if they do badly so long as he is good... etc
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

The anti education stuff is not taken directly from the quran but there is no way you can say it does not encourage such behaviour, indeed if you think that education makes women think that they are as good as men then the quran does in fact justify this.

Re:RoP (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712799)

It's a cultural thing.

It's a conservative thing. Conservatives everywhere attack education. Whether it's literacy for women in Afghanistan, or sex ed and evolution in the United States, conservatives are anti-education.

Why are conservatives anti-education? Because their beliefs cannot be supported by facts, and so the more factual ideas you teach, the less conservative your people will be. There is a positive correlation between education and liberalism for a reason.

Re:RoP (3, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712883)

Culture and Religion are very intertwined.

The Catholic Church while a Unified church, operate rather differently cross different cultures. Even with them following the same rules, the importance of the rules they follow are prioritized differently.

Re:RoP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712437)

Because we all know no one ever killed anyone in the name of Christianity. How is this any different than blaming any religion on the acts of some of its members?

Re:RoP (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712597)

Where was religion mentioned anywhere in the article or summary?

Re:RoP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712813)

It was mentioned towards the end of the article. But if it weren't mentioned, it would have been an oversight. Bad reporting doesn't nullify the GP's point.

Re:RoP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712641)

Religion is a mental disease.

Mostly harmless.

More details (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712959)

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/04/2012417142921275408.html [aljazeera.com]

[...]The alleged poisoning on Tuesday is being blamed on hardline conservatives who oppose female education.

Since the 2001 toppling of the Taliban, which banned education for women and girls, females have returned to schools, especially in Kabul.[...]

Taliban are just another brand of conservatives who abuse religion to manipulate people.

[...]In the past acid has been thrown in the faces of women and girls by hardline Muslims while walking to school.[...]

I think religion is a mental disease. Just listen to the shit hardline Christians say.

And that, ladies and gentlemen (5, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712219)

is what happens when you coddle and religious groups extreme behavior and the myth that they have a right to tell governments what to do.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712253)

And global warmist religions when it comes to energy.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712333)

Yeah, at least in the U.S. the attack on education by conservatives is nonviolent. Thank goodness for small favors, I guess.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (1, Insightful)

operagost (62405) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712707)

How many comments did we make it in before someone attacked conservatives and got modded up for it? Six?

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712921)

You don't think conservatives are the ones against educating women?
You think that is the liberal or gay agenda? I bet you think it must be those evil feminists.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712961)

Because this site is ridiculous, the anti-American and anti-capitalist sentiment is disgusting and if done by Americans (probably is) should make anyone be ashamed. Most on here cry for references but then go on to criticize conservatives and Christians like its a sport with noting to back it up except what mommy told them and maybe the grade school teacher and telling us to Google it. Try criticizing Islam with your real name you rebels and see what you get if Christians are so backward and evil along with conservatives. This site is ignorant to the hilt.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712777)

Yeah, at least in the U.S. the attack on education by liberals is nonviolent. Thank goodness for small favors, I guess.
-Bill Ayers

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (5, Insightful)

Nemesisghost (1720424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712967)

Just so you know, not all of us conservatives are anti-education. I find the fact that people are rewritting history and forcing religious view points on people just as abhorrent as the most ardent atheist. Oh, and did I mention I'm Mormon & even served a mission? Or how about the fact that I'm not the only one? How's this food for thought: There are plenty in the scientific community that not only believe in God, but also think this kind of crap is the stupidest thing they've ever heard?
Next time instead of attacking what you don't agree with, try to understand it. Otherwise, all you are doing is giving these idiots reasons to further their agenda.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712415)

Ultimately, it's not about religious extremists telling the government what to do, it's about their telling actual individual people what to do. If ever there were a time for methodological individualism [wikipedia.org] , this is it.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (3, Insightful)

Scutter (18425) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712423)

that they have a right to tell governments what to do.

I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound this way, but in case you did, who do you think DOES have the right to tell governments what to do if not the people they govern?

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (3, Insightful)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712571)

Religion != people religion has no right to dictate directly to governments, people do. In a lot of ways I would love to see the separation of church and state run both ways, the state does not mess with churches and churches stay out of politics. The state should never implement church doctrine as law, rather implement the minimal set of laws that are required for civil society. That would let the church go back to working on morals and the state out of enforcing them.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (1)

fredrated (639554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712465)

Maybe you can explain who was coddled by whom?
This may follow from their religion, but for the life of me I can't figure out what 'coddling' has occured to encourge this.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712729)

Mock religion, kill all priests, burn the temples! The rise Homo Superior cannot be held back by superstition!

mock religion? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712779)

liberalism is a mock religion.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712955)

"kill all priests"? No no we are a civilised lot we do not want to kill them just treat their mental disease, that is what metal hospitals are for is it not.... and what good exactly would burning the churches achieve, a lot of good materials for e-bay in them once the congregation has been persuaded to leave... no seriously even the craziest anit-theist radicals I know do not advocate violence of this sort.

Re:And that, ladies and gentlemen (2)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712949)

Aren't you for 'democracy', which means rule of the majority or basically mobocracy? If the majority consists of religious fanatics, wouldn't it just mean democracy can be used to give power to Taliban just as well?

As say: democracy does not ensure freedom, it is actually a gateway towards tyranny.

HOWEVER, where does it say even in TFA that it's Taliban that is responsible? Here is what TFA says:

The Afghan government said last year that the Taliban, which has been trying to adopt a more moderate face to advance exploratory peace talks, had dropped its opposition to female education.

AFAIC it could be anybody poisoning those girls, from Taliban, to USA military contractors, who stand to lose a sweet contract if US goes home.

Islam (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712231)

Even the Christian Taliban that control the Republican party wouldn't do something this sleazy.

They usually stop at stealing elections and constantly lying about everything.

Must be something about Islam...

Re:Islam (4, Insightful)

Surt (22457) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712257)

And occasionally blowing up a building full of innocent people, but that is the absolute limit.

Re:Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712581)

You mean like what the US has been doing in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq? What's a little "collateral damage" among friends?

Re:Islam (0)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712381)

They have no objection to girls going to school, as long as the lesson is that the Earth is 2000 * pi years old.

Re:Islam (0)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712713)

They lied their way into a completely optional war of aggression against Iraq. That's got to count for something.

poisoned with what (0, Troll)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712303)

suffered from headaches and vomiting, were in critical condition, while others were able to go home after treatment in hospital, the officials said

Poisoned with what... Can't help but wonder WRT my past life doing chemistry. That's a kind of peculiar combination. Individually nothing unusual WRT to poisoning, but the precise set of 1) headaches 2) vomiting 3) able to go home almost immediately aka insta-antidote is kind of odd/unusual.. I can think of plenty of things causing 1 of 3, a couple causing 2 of 3, nothing causing 3 of 3.

Aside from that, its an excellent example of why multiculturalism should not exist. My daughter gains nothing by the existence of that culture. Let american consumerism steamroll it out of existence, no substantial loss.

Re:poisoned with what (2)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712419)

...able to go home almost immediately aka insta-antidote is kind of odd/unusual.

Perhaps the contaminant was a strong emetic or diuretic causing extreme dehydration, which explains the headache.
In the cases where they could go simply home after "treatment in the hospital", perhaps those girls didn't drink as much of the tainted water (duh).

Re:poisoned with what (1)

Ultra64 (318705) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712497)

Well, it did say that some were in critical condition and only some were able to go home.

I would imagine the ones that could go home didn't consume as much poison as the others.

Re:poisoned with what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712635)

Considering the fact that "American Consumerism" only shows you what you need to see (aka: this article) and benefits from multiculturalism (aka: nothing if you read this article and consider it the whole truth). You are the perfect mindless drone that is the new modern warfare of the 22nd century.

Blue Pill a la Matrix Vlm?

-AC

Re:poisoned with what (4, Insightful)

fermat1313 (927331) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712673)

Aside from that, its an excellent example of why multiculturalism should not exist. My daughter gains nothing by the existence of that culture. Let american consumerism steamroll it out of existence, no substantial loss.

Right, because the American culture is the One True Culture. Your ridiculous statement implies a false choice: American culture vs. poisoning girls who want to go to school. This is, in fact, a great argument for multiculturalism. If Afghanistan were more of an educated multi-cultural society, these nutjobs would have a harder time getting a following. As it is, when everyone only sees one culture (their own), treating women like this is the only "normal" they know.

Re:poisoned with what (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712679)

Individually nothing unusual WRT to poisoning, but the precise set of 1) headaches 2) vomiting 3) able to go home almost immediately aka insta-antidote is kind of odd/unusual.

It didn't actually say that they were treated and released. It just said that some were able to go home immediately, which could just mean that they didn't drink enough and weren't ill enough to be concerned about them.

Or it could be bacteria in their water tank (e.g. legionella). If you drink bacterially-infected water, you would expect vomiting, and headaches often accompany it—you can get headaches from just about anything that causes enough stress to raise your blood pressure, which an entire school full of sick kids almost certainly would.... As with any infection, some people would not be sick enough to require hospitalization.

Re:poisoned with what (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712727)

"able to go home almost immediately aka insta-antidote"

Not really. It probably means that some girls received a smaller dose of the poison. That's exactly what one should expect in a large-scale poisoning - simple chance would create such clusters.

Why is this on Slashdot? (1, Insightful)

AttyBobDobalina (2525082) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712309)

The story makes me absolutely sick and reinforces my easy evaluation system for world religions: How they treat their women is in direct proportion to the value the religion brings to all societies of the world. That said, I fail to see how this relates to technology.

Re:Why is this on Slashdot? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712531)

You fail to see how education relates to technology?

Re:Why is this on Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712657)

Because hatred towards religions = big page hits on Slashdot.

Re:Why is this on Slashdot? (3, Insightful)

fermat1313 (927331) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712703)

Who said that Slashdot was only about technology news? "News for nerds. Stuff that matters." This matters.

Well, I guess that'll teach them... (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712313)

If the message is that women shouldn't go to school, then maybe they learned something at school. But wait... someone just taught those girls something! Kill the offenders!!!!!

Welllllllll..... (0)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712337)

....THAT was civilized....

Re:Welllllllll..... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712817)

....THAT was civilized....

That's kind of the problem.

Many people in Afghanistan are only slightly beyond the bronze age. So really old stupid tribal beliefs and cultural conventions have become intertwined with religious fervor.

Many people simply wouldn't consider them civilized. They're not much more advanced that goat herders from 1000 years ago in many cases.

People with access to modern weapons and who hold archaic beliefs are pretty much who you're fighting against. The Taliban were pretty much against everything modern. Same idea as in places where female genital mutilation happens. It has nothing at all to do with their religion, but they believe it does.

They've got modern technology without ever having gone through and cultural growth. So they're kind of like Children.

I don't even think this is a problem with Islam. It's a problem with taking ancient biases and mixing them into your religion, and then trying to force everyone else to follow your beliefs.

Kind of like Fundamentalist Christians who want laws passed to prevent other people doing things they consider immoral. Sorry, I don't believe in your god, and I don't care that you think something is immoral -- mind your own fucking business. But to them, it's their (self appointed) duty to make sure nobody sins against their beliefs.

Wow (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712351)

None of the officials blamed any particular group for the attack, fearing retribution from anyone named.'"

Bad guys do bad things and people are afraid to even name them for doing the said bad things... I think the bad guys might be winning.

Hushed coughs and akward slience. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712403)

.. While the fundamentalist Christians quietly look on in envy.

If Afghanistan hadn't been so neglected... (5, Interesting)

dryriver (1010635) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712409)

There were many, many opportunities during the 20th Century to deliver sorely needed aid to Afghanistan, and put some money into helping the country modernize and industrialize. Under Western Cold War Political Doctrine, however, that simply wasn't seen as being "necessary" or a "priority". So after the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan by the Western-armed Afghan Mujahedeen, Afghanistan was left to its own devices (= the country was left to rot in abject poverty). With the bone-crunching poverty, and political-abandonment by the Developed World came support for the Taliban. With the Taliban came a particularly hateful, denigrating view of women (women should cover at all times, girls should not go to school, girls should be married to older men by arranged-marriage). ----- Here we are many decades later, wondering why Afghanistan is an underdeveloped s__thole of place, where someone can so pissed at girls being educated, that he poisons their drinking water. Afghanistan should have been helped decades ago. The West, at the time, was too cheap to commit money to such a project. And now we have a genuinely "failed state" to deal with. "You reap what you sow", as they say.

Re:If Afghanistan hadn't been so neglected... (2)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712471)

The problem lies in the assumption that those with the capability to make the world a better place genuinely have interest in doing so.

Re:If Afghanistan hadn't been so neglected... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712881)

The problem lies in the assumption that those with the capability to make the world a better place genuinely have interest in doing so.

The bigger problem lies in your assumption that they both want and need your help.

Re:If Afghanistan hadn't been so neglected... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712819)

On the other hand, this all started from when Britain tried to make Afghanistan into some sort of an ideal country without the many terrible afflictions they saw in their own country. Maybe the lesson is not to fuck around with other peoples' societies, thinking that you know better?

The Prime Detective (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712449)

In Star Trek, the Federation had a rule that they did not interfere with primitive societies regardless of how "barbaric" the primitive societies were. Perhaps the world needs to have a prime detective as well. Leave the Afghans to their own devices. Let the Taliban rule. So, may be their women will not get educated and have a hard life because of the unfortunate circumstance of their birth there. If those are such bad things, eventually, they themselves will bring about a cultural change from within. Yes, they will get stoned for being unfaithful but, at least, the young girls won't get poisoned or have acid thrown in their face for merely going to school.

Re:The Prime Detective (0)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712751)

The problem with this stance is that they tend not to keep their batshit crazy ideas within their own borders. It seems they seek to export their "peaceful" religion to all parts of the world, just like the silly x-ians do on a less aggressive scale. The heart of the problem is an irrational belief.

This is not Islam (4, Insightful)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712489)

Remember that crap like this is carried out by a fundamentalist extremists. Don't start a witch-hunt on religion just because the wack-jobs killing people claim to be religious.

Re:This is not Islam (2, Informative)

robot_love (1089921) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712583)

And yet it is religion which justifies these actions. Please consider reading Sam Harris' "The End of Faith", which outlines in detail why the continued survival of our species can no longer tolerate attitudes such as your own.

Re:This is not Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712595)

You're right its not Islam.... its simply evil people who also happen to be Islam. There's plenty of evil people who also happen not to be Islam...

Re:This is not Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712717)

This is not Islam

Yeah, and I bet the perpertrators were no true Scotsmen either...

it's a systemic problem with that culture (0)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712833)

Start throwing the nutters in prison instead of "fearing retribution from anyone named" and maybe we will hold off on the witch hunt.

Oh silly us... (0, Troll)

bazmail (764941) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712605)

Us westerners and our silly misunderstanding of the "religion of peace"tm.

Great, I can see the headlines now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712653)

I can just see the right wing Christian types here in the US lining up behind this and parlaying it into another 10-year stint in Afghanistan.

Hopefully this kind of thinking will die off with the Cold War generation, you know. "keeping the world safe for democracy." But for now, I guarantee this is going to be picked up by the conservatives as a "See? I told you so!" example. The reality is that we have nothing to say about whether they should educate women or not -- let other countries figure out their own affairs themselves and maybe the level of terrorism will drop accordingly.

Fearing retribution? (1)

cvtan (752695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712699)

Well, we should all fear retribution from a group that poisons schoolgirls. They must be a terrifying bunch!

anonymous tip line? (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712855)

Are there no cell phones there? Can't someone start an anonymous tip line? If this happened in the US we'd have detectives so far up everybody's ass that the ACLU would be foaming at the mouth.

What's the rationale behind this? (1)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712735)

Does anyone know why they're doing this? Do they think these schools are teaching girls to reject Islam and embrace Satan, or something? Citations?

Re:What's the rationale behind this? (2)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712847)

It's just the "teaching girls" part. Free-thinking women are harder to control.

Rush Limbaugh Applauds this action (-1, Troll)

tekrat (242117) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712743)

After all, they aren't going to get free heathcare, no birth control, and no abortions. It's the religious right's wet dream. Keep your women under control, in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

You know a government is inneffective when... (2)

DaneM (810927) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712765)

...they're afraid to accuse people whom they think poisoned over a hundred schoolgirls, for fear that they'll tick the criminals off (and have trouble as a result). Sure, angering terrorists (or whatever they're calling these scoundrels--if anything) is likely to provoke them to try other acts of terrorism. What are you going to do, though, let them get away with it? I can't see how that won't encourage further acts of terror just as thoroughly (if not necessarily as quickly).

Side note: yes, Afghanistan is strongly Muslim, and yes there are some extremists who utterly pervert and abuse that faith; but unless there's some mention in TFA about religious motivations, let's please not jump to inflammatory conclusions about this being faith-motivated. In point of fact, this sort of thing has happened here in the USA, as recently as in the 20th century, so let's not throw stones based on our dominant religions (including atheism and agnosticism--which are, of course beliefs about God, if only by denial and uncertainty) being somehow superior to theirs. Horrible people exist in all countries, and infest all religions, as you should all well know.

Keep them where they are (1)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39712789)

If Pakistan and Afghanistan want their Islamic paradise, let them have it.

so much fail (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712801)

dead women > educated women

lets nuke that whole fucking place and cover it under a napkin... i gladly die of thyroid cancer after we got rid of these people..

don't be fooled (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712845)

I suspect this is a false flag attack by the CIA, Mossad, et al. Not even religious fanatics are stupid enough to think this helps their cause. Besides, even if the prophet did prefer women to be uneducated, he would certainly frown on the poisoning of children, of either sex. There is no Muselman, there is no Hindu, there is no Christian. So sayeth Master Nanak.

The view from the UK... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712865)

You're doing it wrong cloth heads!

To see an example of how an education system can effectively be destroyed, for every gender, you guys need look no further than "radical conservative extremists" in the UK. We call them "the tory party".

Not being asked? Girls drinking water? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39712907)

Is this like the segregated drinking fountains of not-so-long-ago blacks vs whites America?

How was just _girls'_ water poisoned?

Perhaps off topic for this comment, "News for nerds, stuff that matters." Lessee.. afghan, nope. Technology, nope. Scientific, nope. News.. sorta, like Digg, or maybe CNN. Cowardice (not naming anyone). Nerds. Well.. school.. schoolgirls.. ok, maybe nerds. Sorta. Did I take a wrong turn to Digg somewhere?

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