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Expect Mandatory 'Big Brother' Black Boxes In All New Cars From 2015

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the manufacturers-salivating dept.

Government 628

New submitter Kraftwerk writes "A bill already passed by the Senate and set to be rubber stamped by the House would make it mandatory for all new cars in the United States to be fitted with black box data recorders from 2015 onwards. Section 31406 of Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21), calls for 'Mandatory Event Data Recorders' to be installed in all new automobiles and legislates for civil penalties to be imposed against individuals for failing to do so. 'Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part,' states the bill."

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The next step? (4, Insightful)

fragfoo (2018548) | about 2 years ago | (#39737201)

And in all new persons from 2016.

(Maybe old ones too)

Your Car Likely Has A Black Box ALREADY (5, Informative)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 years ago | (#39737343)

"Virtually every car that has an air bag has some kind of recording ability," says James Casassa, of Wolf Forensics which specializes in downloading crash information from vehicles made by GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota and Honda. The recorders capture information about how fast you were going and whether you slammed on the brakes in the seconds before and after a crash. They capture just a snapshot before and after a crash, not a continual record of your driving activity -- which would be far more concerning for privacy. (But don't worry! You can get a far more invasive event recorder from your insurance company if you're looking to lower your car insurance rates.)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/04/19/hate-to-break-it-to-you-but-your-car-likely-has-a-black-box-spying-on-you-already/ [forbes.com]

Citizen. You are speeking in an unsafe manner. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737473)

And in all new persons from 2016.

(Maybe old ones too)

Citizen. You're concern is noted and quite unnecessary. It is a matter of safety and we all want safety after all.

Well, I don't know about you, but the thing that totally irks me is when my other citizens feel it necessary to run red lights - not only scaring me but threatening the safety of my children, my fellow drivers and myself of course.

We are all in agreement here, I am sure.

Then there is highway and interstate driving. Unfortunately, there are folks who seem to think that obeying traffic law - such as passing and speed limit laws - are optional and there seems to be an attitude of entitlement. We all don't want that.

Anything that helps with the enforcement of such unsafe and deviant behavior is welcomed by everyone including yourself.

Compliance in necessary from all and will be enforced.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Re:The next step? Oh Great (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737497)

Oh great, my girlfriend left me last weekend, and now this. Shit comes in threes. Whats next?

Just a recorder... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737215)

If they are indeed just local data recorders, I don't really see a problem, as they could be used to make insurance arguments a lot less painful.

It's only really a privacy concern for the overly paranoid if they are data-transmission-enabled.

Re:Just a recorder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737257)

if they are data-transmission-enabled.

In closed source systems, and open source systems with an extremely clever engineer, it's almost impossible to know for sure.

Re:Just a recorder... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737309)

What? You think that an insurance company wouldn't try to get out of paying a claim if they could find out whether you were speeding? Information is enabling. People should think long and hard about what they want to enable others (especially the government and corporations) to do with their information.

re: think long and hard (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737395)

Thinking long and hard is... oh, hey! The football game is on! Grab a beer and have a seat!

Re: think long and hard (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737439)

Hi, I'm a Republican.

We don't think hard or long (well, 'ceptin for knockin up our captive slave wives). We gots this book called da BIBLE. Does all our thinkin fer us.

Re: think long and hard (4, Insightful)

spidercoz (947220) | about 2 years ago | (#39737463)

remember when the Republicans used to be all about civil liberties and keeping the government from crawling up your ass?

Re: think long and hard (4, Informative)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#39737547)

No. Since when did these mythical people ever actually exist?

Re: think long and hard (4, Interesting)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#39737649)

Republicans were ike that post-Eisenhower and pre-George Bush.
Remember when the DEMOCRATS were for small government and individual rights (except blacks)? Now they boss us around as if we were employees of the governments. "Buy insurance." "Throw-away your lightbulbs." "Put black boxes in your cars." "Submit to random VIPR patdowns all across the country."

When both parties are pro-government, then it's only a matter of time until a "you can't trust the government" contingent arrives on the scene. As Jefferson stated, that is the natural tendency of the party system: 1 for more government; 1 for less government. I predict it will happen within the Republican party, thanks to the Ron Paul movement (started 2007).

Re: think long and hard (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737597)

Sure don't remember any such thing. At least not on this planet and in this space/time dimension.

Re:Just a recorder... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737415)

That's kind of the point. If a driver is speeding, his insurance should not cover any accidents that occurred while speeding.

Likewise, if he is not speeding, and the insurance company insists that he must have been, recorders like this could be used to prove that the driver was not at fault, and insurance is still good.

Re:Just a recorder... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737629)

Bullshit. The primary purpose of automobile insurance is liability insurance. The insurance company most certainly should cover this. His insurance only protects him financially. It protects your ability to recieve compensation if he does something stupid and injures you.

Re:Just a recorder... (5, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#39737661)

Define speeding.

On most (translation: ALL) roads in the US, the typical speed of traffic is higher than the posted limit. In fact, driving the limit, some claim, causes more accidents than going with the flow of traffic. In spite of this, traffic deaths have been falling for decades, and non-injury accidents as well, all in the face of increased miles traveled and vehicles on the road.

Insurance covers the driver based on his record of accidents. Its not their job to enforce the law. And its not their job to second guess an evasive maneuver that might exceed the speed limit.

But what makes you sure this will only be used in claims? In addition to mandatory smog inspections, what is to prevent some governments from mandating recorder dumps yearly, followed by citations in the mail?

Suggesting any tiny violation invalidates your insurance simply eliminates insurance totally, because they will always find something in a recorder to invalidate your policy. Is that what you are really advocating? It doesn't sound like you have thought this thru very well.

Re:Just a recorder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737681)

Yes, this makes perfect sense, even when the speeding was not the cause of the accident, or that the insurance company is not required to cover anything when the insured is at fault. In fact this makes no sense, because the vast majority of accidents occur because someone has violated some law, and arbitrarily making speeding the scapegoat is just stupid, and really makes the insurance even more of a scam than it already is.

Re:Just a recorder... (1)

zero0ne (1309517) | about 2 years ago | (#39737691)

What happens if both drivers were Speeding?

What happens if (more extremely) both drivers were recorded going 46 when the accident happened on a road with a speed limit of 45?
Should BOTH insurance companies be legally OK to wipe their hands clean of paying out for the accident?

Simply put, is there anything in the books that would stop both insurance companies from using "speeding" as the end all, over-rules everything reason to not pay out?

Re:Just a recorder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737619)

You're right, people should be careful before they stop lying to their insurance company and start telling them the truth about how they were doing 90mph in a 60 zone.

Fucking racists (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737219)

Why are these boxes always called 'black' boxes. Are you trying to tell me that none of these boxes are white? Fucking racialist twats.

Re:Fucking racists (4, Informative)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#39737499)

Actually yes they are all made with UV-resistant black plastic cases. Unlike the black boxes in airplanes which are red or orange.

Re:Fucking racists (1, Redundant)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 2 years ago | (#39737701)

Does the AC GP seriously not know what a black box [wikipedia.org] is and why that term is appropriate in this context, or is he/she trying (and failing) to be funny? And for those that do not know, the "black boxes" in airplanes are painted red/orange to make them easier to find at a crash site.

Hollywood-style solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737229)

I keep waiting for the day when controlled burst EMP becomes the weapon of the revolution. My car is one of the few that does not even have an on-board computer.

Re:Hollywood-style solution (1)

Barbara, not Barbie (721478) | about 2 years ago | (#39737335)

I keep waiting for the day when controlled burst EMP becomes the weapon of the revolution. My car is one of the few that does not even have an on-board computer.

By the early '70s, most cars had electronic ignition (even if they still had a set of points), which is also vulnerable to EMP. Also, your radio is vulnerable even if you have a diesel engine. And your 8-track tapes will be erased (and not only will nothing of value will be lost, but the world will be a better place).

Re:Hollywood-style solution (1)

DigiTechGuy (1747636) | about 2 years ago | (#39737443)

Points, condenser, coil. That's it. Also my radio is a tube radio so likely somewhat resistant to EMP. I only drive vehicles '60s or older.

Re:Hollywood-style solution (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#39737487)

Points, condenser, coil. That's it. Also my radio is a tube radio so likely somewhat resistant to EMP. I only drive vehicles '60s or older.

Who would have guessed that the survivors of the apocalypse would be .... grandpa?

Re:Hollywood-style solution (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 2 years ago | (#39737577)

Because Grandpa is too old to give a crap about cockroaches, so he's perfectly willing to share a ravaged Earth with them

Re:Hollywood-style solution (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#39737521)

Poor you, that's just before cars started to get good. Just one year newer and you could drive a 240Z.

Re:Hollywood-style solution (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#39737583)

Did you also walk uphill both ways to school in the snow without shoes? Did they still say 'dickity'? Was tying an onion to your belt still the style at the time?

Reminder: Source is Infowars (5, Interesting)

nonprofiteer (1906180) | about 2 years ago | (#39737235)

Most cars already have black boxes."The 'event data recorder' is known commonly as a black box and has been installed in some vehicles since 1996. About 60 million vehicles now have them and 85 percent of new cars this year will come standard with a “black box,” according to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates." -- via NHSTA [vehicle-dvr.com]. There are actually some good things in this bill -- such as establishing that police need a court order to get access to data and that the driving data belongs to the owner of the car not the manufacturer.

Open format? (4, Interesting)

Aqualung812 (959532) | about 2 years ago | (#39737421)

IIRC, one of the big issues with the existing black boxes is that they are in a format only the OEM can read.

I didn't see anything in TFA about making a standard, any news about that?

I'd love the ability to put an app on my laptop or phone & review the data logs my car can produce. There a ton of data in a modern car that could be very useful to an owner. Even more if you're a parent with kids that drive.

Re:Open format? (2)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#39737555)

"IRC, one of the big issues with the existing black boxes is that they are in a format only the OEM can read."

This is hardly a real-world problem. Consumer devices for reading the data and settings in a vehicle's computer(s) tend to come out less than a year after the new models hit the streets.

Re:Open format? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737645)

Bosch Crash Data Recorder Software will pull data off most vehicles through the ODB2 port. You need to keep the software up to date, and it is pricey - but it works well. Crash Data Group - http://www.cdr-system.com/

The DLC system is the one that works through the ODB2 port and works in many crashes. If you go up from there, you will be able to download directly from the airbag control modules, rollover sensors and powertrain control modules. The cables become mind numbing.

Data stored is impressive, but the time that it records is usually less than 10 seconds. During the time that recording occurs, expect to be able to see airbag and seatbelt info, throttle position, engine RPM, wheel/tranny speed, torque, G forces and brake application.

The raw data is kept and the software will output a nice report in PDF format.

Re:Open format? (4, Informative)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#39737651)

Yes you can do that.

You will need a OBDII Bluetooth adapter and something to read the results, I use the Torque Pro program on my Android phone. I can do logs that I can later email myself, or even upload to a website.

The adapter I bought was @ $40 from Amazon, and the program I mention is $4.99, add an android device if you don't have one already and it is still cheaper than most stand alone OBDII readers.

It can record everything from G's pulled on corners to the temperature of the intake.

Re:Reminder: Source is Infowars (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737699)

Most cars already have black boxes."The 'event data recorder' is known commonly as a black box and has been installed in some vehicles since 1996. About 60 million vehicles now have them and 85 percent of new cars this year will come standard with a “black box,” according to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates." -- via NHSTA [vehicle-dvr.com]. There are actually some good things in this bill -- such as establishing that police need a court order to get access to data and that the driving data belongs to the owner of the car not the manufacturer.

Does the average person know how to access the data?

slippery slope (5, Insightful)

bigtrike (904535) | about 2 years ago | (#39737237)

The next thing you know, the government will be totally involved in your private lives, such as making decisions about who you can marry and restricting your ability to make decisions about your own body.

Re:slippery slope (3, Insightful)

yurtinus (1590157) | about 2 years ago | (#39737327)

This made me giggle, then it made me weep. I'm posting because there is no +1: Uncomfortable Truth mod....

Re:slippery slope (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737441)

I know you have more digits than pi in your UID, but by the time you get mod points you should know enough about moderation to be able to translate "+1, Uncomfortable Truth" to one of the actual options. Might I suggest Insightful or Underrated?

Re:slippery slope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737329)

I see what you did there.

Re:slippery slope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737533)

I can't figure out if you are being sarcastic, or not. Seeing as how that day has been here for some time now.

Re:slippery slope (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | about 2 years ago | (#39737565)

The next thing you know, the government will be totally involved in your private lives, such as making decisions about who you can marry and restricting your ability to make decisions about your own body.

I don't think you're connecting the right dots.

Re:slippery slope (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737659)

You do realize that Republicans are far less concerned with what a woman does to her own body than they are about what she does to the person she is carrying in her womb right?

Big Brother? (5, Informative)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | about 2 years ago | (#39737243)

(b) Limitations on Information Retrieval-

(1) OWNERSHIP OF DATA- Any data in an event data recorder required under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, regardless of when the passenger motor vehicle in which it is installed was manufactured, is the property of the owner, or in the case of a leased vehicle, the lessee of the passenger motor vehicle in which the data recorder is installed.

(2) PRIVACY- Data recorded or transmitted by such a data recorder may not be retrieved by a person other than the owner or lessee of the motor vehicle in which the recorder is installed unless--

(A) a court authorizes retrieval of the information in furtherance of a legal proceeding;

(B) the owner or lessee consents to the retrieval of the information for any purpose, including the purpose of diagnosing, servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle;

(C) the information is retrieved pursuant to an investigation or inspection authorized under section 1131(a) or 30166 of title 49, United States Code, and the personally identifiable information of the owner, lessee, or driver of the vehicle and the vehicle identification number is not disclosed in connection with the retrieved information; or

(D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.

Big deal.

Re:Big Brother? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737273)

It's a good thing we know from experience that our government only collects data it's legally authorized to collect.

Re:Big Brother? (4, Interesting)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#39737471)

It's a good thing we know from experience that our government only collects data it "legally" authorizes itself to collect.

FTFY.

However, inherent distrust of governing bodies aside, I don't see a problem with the law requiring a warrant for police to collect the data. Were that not stipulated, you and I both know cops would take that as an legitimization of their illegal searches.

Re:Big Brother? (2)

hendridm (302246) | about 2 years ago | (#39737455)

It is a big deal, because it's NONE OF THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS.

And how hard is it to get a warrant?

Re:Big Brother? (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#39737615)

It is when you are in an accident,.

Don't like it? then only drive on your own property.

"And how hard is it to get a warrant?"
ah, now you are focused on the correct thing.

Look, everything you do outside of your home is being collected.
There area lot of advantages to that. The fight shouldn't be not to do it. No one will go with that because the advantages are fer too great to people.
Fight what the police and corporations can do with it. That's the problem.

Re:Big Brother? (4, Informative)

an unsound mind (1419599) | about 2 years ago | (#39737627)

The problem is that most cars already ship with black boxes - ones which have no regulation. This INCREASES data privacy.

Re:Big Brother? (4, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 2 years ago | (#39737467)

(D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.

OnStar approves. Now it can track all vehicles at all times with the blanket disclaimer that it's to facilitate an emergency response. OnStar is a private company. OnStar can then freely share that information with its affiliates, who may be overseas. Data now laundered, and free for sale to anyone who wants it domestically.

Re:Big Brother? (2)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#39737657)

Got to sign up for on star.

Also, what data? Yeah, some Chinese hacker want's to know some anonymous person drives to work at 5:30 am and stopped for 3 lights.

Re:Big Brother? (5, Insightful)

berashith (222128) | about 2 years ago | (#39737535)

all good until you hit a TSA minded check point that says you must turn over access to the data or you are not allowed to continue driving. You will not be allowed to turn around, you will have to leave the car in their possession. If anything on the recorder indicates that you have been exceeding speed limits , then thse will be ticketable offenses.

The track record is too severe to trust our govt with this idea.

And here I always thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737245)

that this was the land of the free... Monitored and stripped down at airports was bad enough, but to know everything about our own personal transportation and how we use our personal property is stepping a line that was probably erased when the Patriot Act came in...

Down With Big Brother (-1)

Cornwallis (1188489) | about 2 years ago | (#39737251)

Down With Big Brother
Down With Big Brother
Down With Big Brother
Down With Big Brother
Down With Big Brother
Down With Big Brother
Down With Big Brother

* I had typed all in caps as in the book but Big Brother (/.) wouldn't let me post all in caps: Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Why worry? (1)

TiggertheMad (556308) | about 2 years ago | (#39737393)

Nothing in says you cannot disconnect the box. Paranoid much?

Re:Why worry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737461)

Except probably the OEM computer that runs most of the car, (probably as 1 unit)..

Re:Why worry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737585)

Or just modify the OEM computer give bogus data to the recorder. What court would believe you car was traveling 4,096 mph.

Re:Why worry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737633)

Nothing in says you cannot disconnect the box. Paranoid much?

Kinda hard to do when the same box is outputting engine timing signals. Think much?

Re:Down With Big Brother (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#39737587)

Great idea, make it seem like the government wants this rather than insurance companies. That'll whip up some opposition.

Likewise if Facebook were called Fedbook I don't think people would use it so much...

Re:Down With Big Brother (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#39737697)

DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER

anyways, the book was about information control. The internet has made Big Brother impossible.

As for using using data collected about you, fight for controls. Black boxes are a good idea, for many reasons. Just fight the ability for it to be accessed randomly.

Is this going to be yankable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737255)

This is absolutely out of control. Is this even constitutional? Hell no.

There better be a way to break that black box.

Re:Is this going to be yankable? (2)

mosb1000 (710161) | about 2 years ago | (#39737609)

Everyone knows the constitution doesn't apply when you're doing something in a public space.

just in time... (1)

spywhere (824072) | about 2 years ago | (#39737265)

soooo glad I just ordered a new 2012 hemi Charger.

Re:just in time... (2)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#39737319)

Your 2012 Charger almost certainly already has a "black box" as do most cars built since the mid 1990's.

Re:just in time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737331)

probably has one in it already....

Re:just in time... (4, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 2 years ago | (#39737451)

Then you'll be happy to know that all Dodge Chargers since 2006 already have these installed.

Not as bad as it sounds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737289)

These black boxes don't have wireless communication. They don't send your location or car status to any central authority. They are only used after a crash.

Not that I support these kinds of bullshit laws. This will increase the price of cars that didn't already have them, and your car's black box will mostly be used to protect the people who crashed into you.

Re:Not as bad as it sounds (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 2 years ago | (#39737539)

your car's [sic] black box will mostly be used to protect the people who crashed into you

Not necessarily. It could also protect you - If you're in a crash and the police insist you were speeding the black box could prove you weren't, or it could prove you were braking not accelerating etc.

Alex Jones (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737313)

Infowars, really? This is an even worse source than foxnews.com.

This guy honestly thinks the NWO is behind everything. He's also one of the people who popularized the "obama birth certificate" nonsense...

Goodbye slashdot, I can deal with the sentationalist titles, but this is the last straw. You cannot have both have credibility and link to a source like this.

Re:Alex Jones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737689)

Spoken like a true SPLC or Media Matters shill. Great job!

Here's what it records (5, Informative)

djdanlib (732853) | about 2 years ago | (#39737323)

This Black Box is similar to stuff that's already IN your car, and airplanes, etc. Here is the legislature that will be revised to *require* the devices, so you can look at the details of what's being required.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=adfa70d7fb0603db957cef53e728148f&rgn=div5&view=text&node=49:6.1.2.3.31&idno=49 [gpoaccess.gov]

Particularly, check the latter sections. "Each vehicle equipped with an EDR must meet the requirements specified in 563.7 for data elements, 563.8 for data format, 563.9 for data capture, 563.10 for crash test performance and survivability, and 563.11 for information in owner's manual."

Oh, for fark's sake... (2)

jfengel (409917) | about 2 years ago | (#39737337)

Can you find a source for this information a bit more reliable than Infowars? I accidentally clicked on it and now I have to go wash my mouse and monitor.

Re:Oh, for fark's sake... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737387)

No shit. How about some thoughts from a source that doesn't make a living hyperventilating about the "new world order".

question... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737357)

Do we need a car analogy for this one?

Used car ... (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#39737361)

... prices just took another jump.

I suppose its not all that big a deal if I get into a wreck and they want to download the airbag and antilock brake performance data. But at some point, the cops are going to want the capability to jack in to your car's log and download that rather than actually watching for violations. That's when I park the new car and go back to driving my '79 4x4. No event recorder. No working smog devices (old enough to be exempt from testing). No airbags. And the energy absorbing collision crush zone is the Prius I'm about to hit.

Re:Used car ... (1)

Bigby (659157) | about 2 years ago | (#39737707)

I agree. I don't have as much a "Big Brother" issue with this as I do with there being yet another mandated cost for all manufacturing of vehicles. Good luck starting your own car company. GM and Ford will have no problem streamlining the inclusion of these in all cars. It is a bigger cost on the margin for the small ones or ones that could have existed.

This is like all the paperwork laws that crush small companies.

Anyone wonder why the biggest area of entrepreneurship is in software? It is because the "hump" of regulation and legal costs are practically $0.

Hmm.. haven't the FEDS learned ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737375)

I WILL NOT buy a car with a "Black Box". I'll keep my 2010 Jeep Wrangler running.
Stupid FEDS. Do they expect us to bailout the auto industry again ?

Re:Hmm.. haven't the FEDS learned ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737459)

I WILL NOT buy ANOTHER car with a "Black Box".

FTFY. Your Wrangler has one already.

Soltaran Invasion (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737377)

I, for one, welcome our new car-device-macguffin-using overlords.

What could go wrong.... (1)

future assassin (639396) | about 2 years ago | (#39737381)

with a mandatory "electronic" device. No government official will hamper with it of try to frame people by hacking the system

Re:What could go wrong.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737613)

Just park a couple blocs away from the whorehouse and you'll be ok...

Extra $$$ (1)

Xander85 (1224448) | about 2 years ago | (#39737431)

Electronic Brake Override, Black boxes, CAFE Standards... What else is next? I'm glad I just bought a new vehicle this fall and plan on driving it for a long time. With all these new innovations/requirements in the name of safety and saving the planet from a made-up science, vehicle prices are just going to continue to increase like crazy. Not the mention how much it costs to fill up the damn things. But let's not do anything practical to actually reduce gas prices (drill) because it will take 10 years to come online so we just give up before we start. (Where would gas prices be today if we started doing some of these things 10 years AGO?)

Editors, Please Take Note (5, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 2 years ago | (#39737449)

If the primary source for a link is InfoWars, look for a secondary link from a less biased and/or batshit insane source. If one cannot be found, skip the article please.

Re:Editors, Please Take Note (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737669)

Yeah because the link to the legislation in question from that site is too hard to follow and read for you? Are you not capable of googling it for yourself? This story has been around for a couple days and widely reported who cares if infowars happened to pick it up, the place may be infested with nutjobs but they pick up lots of otherwise mainstream stories.

 

really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39737507)

Here is what I've come to love about this site. The people on it bitch about every little thing intrusive that really isn't and then when something comes along that is they bend over and take it from big gov. I think most people like being told what to do and think...oh wait I forgot this site loves its socialist commie anti anything free enterprise system.

Time to buy a new 2014 car (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#39737523)

My old car has ~140,000 miles so it's about that time. Maybe a diesel Beetle or a hybrid Insight. No black boxes please.

I wish I could get a Lupo 3L. Almost 90mpg highway is impressive.

Next step (1)

negativeduck (2510256) | about 2 years ago | (#39737557)

Requiring whisper net's for remote storage of the information. Allowing data retrieval and warrant collection without having to physical access to the vehicle.

I'm ok with this (1)

mwfischer (1919758) | about 2 years ago | (#39737561)

If you were ever burned on someone "this persons word vs this persons word" on an accident, this additional data can be useful to find the truth.

What, do you guys want an achievement system to numb your anger too?

Perspective (5, Funny)

jsm18 (1317959) | about 2 years ago | (#39737589)

Maybe the government could contract with Apple and produce a White Box model. People would be lining up around the block to get it installed.

Warning: Concusing use of "Black Box" (3, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | about 2 years ago | (#39737593)

Black Boxes are typically things that scare Slashdot. We don't know how they work, as compared to a documented "white box" solution.

This definition of a "Black Box" is different. It's an event data recorder, meant to be like the orange devices found at airplane crash sites designed to let everybody know the status of the vehicle before it crashed. No big privacy change because most cars already have one, it's just a law change that requires there be standards,. rules, and such for these things in the future.

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