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India Test Fires Long-Range, Nuke-Capable Missile

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the new-toys-that-go-boom dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "India has successfully test fired a long-range, nuke-capable missile. Named after Hindu God of fire 'Agni', the ICBM is capable of hitting targets in China, East Africa and parts of Europe. With a successful launch of the missile, India joins an elite group of nations with long-range weapons. 'The BBC's Andrew North in Delhi says Indian officials deny it, but everyone believes the missile is mainly aimed at deterring China. A spokesman for China's Foreign Ministry, Liu Weimin, said his country was not threatened by the test. ... It was only launched once officials were sure they had the best weather conditions — so this was as much a demonstration as a real test, to show India's rivals that it has this kind of capability.'"

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India invents the "V2"? (0)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745047)

India invents the "V2"?

Re:India invents the "V2"? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745179)

And why is the United States of America condemning this missile launch as it does every time North Korea even announces such plans?

Re:India invents the "V2"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745269)

Did you mean to say "not condemning"? India is a lot more responsible than N. Korea.

Context is important (5, Insightful)

alexander_686 (957440) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745565)

North Korea had just signed a agreement not to test weapons – which specifically included not testing long range missiles for “scientific purposes” in exchange for food aid. The ink was not even dry when they 1. launched the missiles and 2. said there would be dire repercussions if the U.S. did not deliver on the food aid.

The rationality and stability of the North Korea regime is very different then that of India.

Re:India invents the "V2"? (4, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745587)

[Assuming you meant to say not condemning]

Because India isn't still technically in a state of war with the US (the Korean War never had a peace treaty, only an armistice, so it is still technically in a state of war), they haven't threatened to destroy the US, they aren't lead by a psychotic megalomaniac who might actually use nuclear weapons, and the missile can only reach to somewhere in China, which India is far more likely to ever go to war with than with the US. In other words, because the US has no real reason to care if India gets a long range missile.

Re:India invents the "V2"? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745735)

USA and North Korea are not in a state of war. North Korea is ONLY in a state of war with South Korea. In addition, North Korea is constantly trying to invade the South. They constantly harass. They have been spreading nuke development around the world (North Korea and China are helping Iran, Burma, and Venezuela build nuclear bombs).

Finally, NK has many treaties and agreements prohibiting them from developing nukes or missiles. They honor none of them. India has no such agreement. That is the real difference.

Re:India invents the "V2"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745829)

Well, we do have a significant number of psychotic megalomaniacs in power

Re:India invents the "V2"? (0)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745925)

Some minor adjustments -- Because [Iran] isn't in a state of war with the US, they haven't threatened to destroy the US, they aren't lead by a psychotic megalomaniac who might actually use nuclear weapons, and the missile can only reach to somewhere in [Iraq or Saudi Arabia], which Iran is far more likely to ever go to war with than with the US. In other words, because the US has no real reason to care if [Iran] gets a missile or nukes.

Why do politicians like Obama and Romney say they want to bomb Iran??? There is no need.

Ron Paul is right.
The killing needs
to stop ASAP.

Re:India invents the "V2"? (2)

captain_sweatpants (1997280) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745687)

In NK military parades, intermingled with the goosestepping infantry, you will find tanks with messages scrawled across the front along the lines of 'we will crush the oppressive american dogs'. Meanwhile most of the country starves waiting for food aid the US and others provide, while the leaders sit around fucking whores and ordering the deaths of anyone who dare question their authority. Sure, India is a bit of a shithole, but they aren't comparable at all.

Re:India invents the "V2"? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745971)

Because India is a democratic country (for the most part) which has no intentions of using such a delivery system to unilaterally attack its neighbors. Anyone with any knowledge of the region can figure out pretty fast that the development of ICBMs is a message straight at Beijing, which India still has unresolved territorial disputes with.

Re:India invents the "V2"? (4, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745473)

Um, India to Europe is a bit farther than Normandy to London.

First Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745057)

First Post

Wait.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745059)

What are they fighting about again?

Good morning! (4, Funny)

shemyazaz (1494359) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745063)

Its a wonderful day in the neighborhood....

Wait, hang on (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745067)

Let's just get this straight.

So North Korea, a despot nation with no natural resources and maybe, perhaps, who the hell actually knows, may just have a nuclear weapon but we're not totally sure if they actually work, fire a "missile" and everyone is pissed.

India, a populous and relatively rich nation with a known nuclear capability, which has been to war with it's neighbour who also has a known nuclear capability, fires it's missile and we don't bat an eyelid?

What the fuck?

Re:Wait, hang on (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745107)

North Korea has been run by a familial succession of dictators who have been, at best, more than a little deranged. India is the closest thing that region has to a western democracy.

Re:Wait, hang on (5, Insightful)

MayorOfTuesday (1911042) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745125)

Exactly. I think it's ok for other people to carry guns. I don't think it's ok for batshit crazy people to carry guns.

Re:Wait, hang on (-1, Troll)

parallel_prankster (1455313) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745149)

Lets talk about the US here : 1) Dictatorial style governance - check 2) Huge stockpile of nukes - check 3) Regularly goes to war with other nations - check 4) Corruption high - check Still the US gets to comment on other nations when they test nukes?

Re:Wait, hang on (4, Insightful)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745251)

Except 1 is demonstrably false, as much as many people here would like to believe to the contrary, and 4 is questionable as well (is there corruption? of course. But is the corruption level high? not really, especially compared to many other states in the world). 2 is certainly true, and I guess 3 would be as well, given a rather loose definition of "regularly". It should be noted that all of the wars the US was involved in in recent history were undertaken with international participation, if not broad international support (yes, even in Iraq). I know you're just trying to score points by showing that the US is evil and more dangerous than states like North Korea or Iran, but even a basic knowledge of the issues shows your assertion is not all that well supported by the facts.

Re:Wait, hang on (2)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745379)

It should be noted that all of the wars the US was involved in in recent history were undertaken with international participation, if not broad international support (yes, even in Iraq)

I am not sure I get your argument here. Sounds a lot like "I bullied that guy in high school because all my friends were doing that, too".

Re:Wait, hang on (5, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745477)

It should be noted that all of the wars the US was involved in in recent history were undertaken with international participation, if not broad international support (yes, even in Iraq)

I am not sure I get your argument here. Sounds a lot like "I bullied that guy in high school because all my friends were doing that, too".

The argument is that the US is unlikely to unilaterally invade/nuke another country without warning. It has no active border disputes, no external threats to its existence, no significant internal insurgency, has changed leaders in a relatively orderly fashion regularly for over a century, has a military firmly under civilian control, and tends to seek approval of at least its western allies before military action. Of course, it's also the only nation on the planet to have used nukes in anger, so I would understand your skepticism, but don't pretend there's no difference between the US and North Korea in terms of the likelihood nukes would get used.

Re:Wait, hang on (4, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745595)

The whole "used nukes in anger" remark is nonsense.

We were in the middle of a war. We had been leveling cities for strategic purposes for a long while before we decided to do it with a single device.

People that like to fixate on the nukes tend to ignore all of the other cities that got bombed and all of the other people that got killed. They also tend to trivialize the Japanese.

I often wonder if there isn't a bit of racism mixed in there, trivializing the Japanese.

Re:Wait, hang on (5, Informative)

Digicaf (48857) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745895)

Replying instead of moderating

You make great points except for "used nukes in anger". There were a lot of considerations that went into the decision to use nukes, but anger definitely wasn't one of them. The debate over the US' decision to use them has been going on for quite some time, but a few things are pretty clear:

1. The casualty estimates for an invasion without the use of nukes ranged between half a million to 1.5 million.
2. The Japanese had a standing order to execute allied POW's in the event of such an invasion, of which there were about 100 thousand.
3. The conventional wisdom at the time (which was probably true) indicated that Japanese leaders would be unlikely to surrender until well into the invasion of the Japanese homeland.

Re:Wait, hang on (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39746027)

The Japanese leadership wasn't prepared to surrender even after Hiroshima, and was still hesitant to do so after Nagasaki, and it was the direct intervention of the Emperor that finally forced the Japanese government's hand.

Bullshit stories about Japan seeking a peaceful resolution in the weeks leading up to the attacks are pretty easily falsified by the behavior of the Japanese government at the time, which even after spectacular attacks on two of its cities still needed the Emperor to basically force the issue for them to raise the white flag.

Re:Wait, hang on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745573)

Sounds more like the good kids got together to kick the shit out of the asshole/crazy Bully after frequent warnings that they would do just that if the Bully didn't stop.

Re:Wait, hang on (0)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745741)

It should be noted that all of the wars the US was involved in in recent history were undertaken with international participation, if not broad international support (yes, even in Iraq)

I am not sure I get your argument here. Sounds a lot like "I bullied that guy in high school because all my friends were doing that, too".

You have to consider that the US is probably the only nation in history who goes to war for purposes other than loot and conquer. It should also be noted that the US usually goes to war against a local bully. Iraq, for example, it hardly what I'd call the nerdy kid on his way to violin lessons. Iraq had invaded every one of its neighbors, except for Syria and had a nasty habit of brutally repressing its own population. Afghanistan harbored a group that attacked us and was equally harsh on the people within its own borders.

But, you use your analogy, the US and its allies force submission of a weaker kid at school, and GIVES him lunch money.

Re:Wait, hang on (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 2 years ago | (#39746015)

You have to consider that the US is probably the only nation in history who goes to war for purposes other than loot and conquer.

This is so pathetic. Do you honestly think US leaders are the first EVAR to make stirring speeches and rouse the population to "defend" their nation for a "just" cause? Do you think the Iraqi insurgents or the Taliban in Afghanistan somehow started those wars in order to loot and conquer their own nations?

Re:Wait, hang on (3, Insightful)

sideslash (1865434) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745315)

Lets talk about the US here : 1) Dictatorial style governance - check

I understand that UR mad, bro etc. But seriously, how long do you think Obama will remain in office? I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that he will leave office either in January of 2013 or 2017. If the former, it will be because democratic voters chose somebody else. If the latter, it will be because of written law superseding leaders' preference to stay in office, so that (once again) democratic voters can choose somebody else.

But I admit that's a crazy expectation of mine. So tell me, what do you think will happen?

Seriously: I get that the US government commits constitutional abuses from time to time. But that is a long way from dictatorship.

Re:Wait, hang on (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745357)

The fact that he can blithely compare the US to North Korea like that without any repercussions is a demonstration in itself that the US enjoys significantly greater personal freedom than NK does, but I'm sure that didn't occur to him.

Re:Wait, hang on (1)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745535)

Yeah, in NK if you compare the US to NK you get put against the wall for implying any other nation could measure up to the greatness created by Great Leader and Dear Leader.

Re:Wait, hang on (0, Flamebait)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745739)

f the former, it will be because democratic voters chose somebody else.

We never elected Bush and we had him twice. Wake up.

Re:Wait, hang on (3, Informative)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745985)

But seriously, how long do you think Obama will remain in office?

- there is your mistake. You think dictatorship requires that one person stays in power and does whatever he wants. What you fail to understand is that that is not true.

What you have now is a HYDRA type of government, and you don't need to 'cut' a head off, you vote one out, another one is lifted to light, etc.etc.

Starting back from the times of Theodore Roosevelt, it's been the same people in power with rare exceptions (Harding maybe).

Re:Wait, hang on (3, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745499)

Dictatorial style governance HAHAHA

Corruption high nope [transparency.org] , try again.

Re:Wait, hang on (1)

sirlark (1676276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745163)

Which means they're the most likely target, and very likely to use their offensive capabilities in retaliation.

Re:Wait, hang on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745355)

Do you actually know why North Korea is the way it is nowadyas?

Re:Wait, hang on (1, Interesting)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745443)

India is the closest thing that region has to a western democracy.

It of course depends a bit on how you define the region, but Australia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia, Nepal, and more recently Cambodia are all democracies largely modelled after the British government. Pakistan is at least in theory a democracy as well, although political violence is relatively common.

Re:Wait, hang on (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745453)

I get the feeling that the current Kim is actually a level-headed guy playing the part of a crazy dictator (while trying to improve things as much as he can without idling and dismantling NK's military) to prevent a military coup.

Re:Wait, hang on (1)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745557)

Or that's just what he /wants/ you to think. Crazy like a crazy fox, they are.

Re:Wait, hang on (4, Insightful)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745627)

I don't think that anyone outside NK knows Dear Successor well enough to understand his state of mind. He's probably not batshit insane, and I don't think his father was either. However, he is a guy who probably enjoys the trappings of power, and also realizes that he has to keep the military and powerbrokers under him on his side. Although he may want a better future for his country, he may realize that it could be very, very difficult to realize that future with himself in power... or even alive at the end of the process.

His best option is a sort of China-like situation where he ditches the Juche crap and starts trying to act like a dictatorial South Korea. Let's not forget, South Korea was not always a model democracy itself. NK can probably succeed by conferring with Bejing on how they can open their markets in certain ways, make nice with the West, while at the same time, not changing the political system very much at all.

Re:Wait, hang on (3, Interesting)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745753)

South Korea is not a model democracy today. It's a fascist (or corporatist if you want to white wash it through name change) state where large corporations like Samsung and Daewoo essentially own the government regardless of who is actually voted in and get to decide on essentially all relevant policy.

It is also very financially successful state, due to smart moves by said corporations in essentially "dronifying" the population to the point where wealthiest families move out of the country to avoid that happening to their children.

Re:Wait, hang on (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39746035)

I expect the current Kim is walking a tightrope, and at least until he's a bit older, will basically be doing what he's told.

Re:Wait, hang on (0)

parlancex (1322105) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745521)

North Korea has been run by leaders not under the control of the US government who have been, at best, more than a little uncooperative. India is the closest thing that region has to a western democracy.

FTFY.

Serious Differences There (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745153)

India is a nation that shows respect to all other nations [wikipedia.org] North Korea is not [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Serious Differences There (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745201)

India is a nation that shows respect to all other nations

Unless it's Pakistan or the people of Kashmir? Gotcha.

Re:Serious Differences There (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745301)

India has shown remarkable restraint in dealing with Pakistan.

Re:Serious Differences There (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745309)

And, if you actually spend some time in India leaving your hotel with your eyes open, you'll see that they treat their own people fairly fucking awfully too. If you thought the lack of welfare for those who need it was bad in the US, you need to go to India: they really do have people ill and starving in the streets.

Though those of particular political persuasions will deny it, it's a very thin line between creating an environment around a man where he will almost certainly die, and throwing him into a concentration camp to die.

Re:Serious Differences There (5, Insightful)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745317)

Respect is earned.

So far, Pakistan and its proxies have spent decades being violent terrorist barbarians and being a nuisance, and are then shocked (SHOCKED! I say...) that the entire world hates their guts.

Re:Serious Differences There (4, Insightful)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745345)

Pakistan is close to being a failed state.

India, on the other hand, is the world's largest democracy.

Re:Serious Differences There (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745307)

While I wouldn't say respect to all other nations, that is a bit of a stretch, most of them yes.

India is smart enough to know that the instant the fire, their country dies, simple.
Yes, just like possibly in other countries, THEY COULD have underground cities as a backup plan if they wished to "cleanse" the world or whatever other even more insane reason they'd wish to use to defend it.
But the fact remains is the surface would probably be raped of all living conditions and life for years
I don't think any major power would want that to happen, even if they have self-contained cities deep underground.

Re:Wait, hang on (1)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745181)

Unlike many other countries, like North Korea, the muslim countries, and even the US, I think the Indians can be trusted with nuclear weapons, and there's no reason not to believe that they won't break their 'no first use' doctrine.

Remember the muslim dictator of Pakistan, who said that he'd have a nuclear weapon (to threaten the neighbours with) even if the people had to eat grass?

Re:Wait, hang on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745209)

My thoughts exactly...

Re:Wait, hang on (1)

Bigby (659157) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745341)

You only oppose something like this when they didn't already have it. India can already blow up the world, so why contest it? The goal is to have as few countries as possible with the capability of blowing up the world. If Switzerland didn't have a nuclear weapon (i am assuming they do, but if they don't, even better) and they tried to get one, other countries would try to stop it. Once you are there, you are in "in the club". Hence the desire behind North Korea and other countries. You aren't respected until you have the power to kill everyone.

We broke the NPT with India (0)

mdsolar (1045926) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745349)

We engaged in nuclear cooperation with India, abrogating our obligations under the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. So, now India is in the drivers seat in regard to our relations with China. Basically, there is nothing we can say. India has carte blanche. We should end nuclear cooperation with them immediately.

Re:We broke the NPT with India (4, Insightful)

Lobachevsky (465666) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745815)

Well, the NPT itself is a carte blanche to US, USSR, UK, France, and China. The NPT gives carte blanche to all nuclear powers prior to 1969 and India tested in 1974 and many /signed/ the NPT in 1992, like China and France. That said, like any legal document the NPT has loopholes, or at least ambiguous wording, and just like the wealthiest lawyer wins, the wealthiest country wins. The U.S. decided to re-interpret the NPT from "not collaborating with nations outside the NPT on nuclear matters" with "not collaborating with nations outside the NPT on /military/ nuclear matters" and gave a green-light for selling nuclear fuel and technology to the civilian sector in India (which consequently frees up India's domestic nuclear resources for military use if they can import nuclear fuel and tech for civilian use). And once the U.S. gave that interpretation, Russia, France, and soon Canada and Australia will also adopt that interpretation and begin exporting nuclear fuel and tech to India for civilian use. Australia and Canada are big since together they have 80% of the world's uranium deposits.

In the end, it's all big chess game. What was the point of the NPT? Choices like "world peace" and such are nice for elementary school kids, but the reality is that the NPT like everything else is done to win, and in this case to maintain status quo for the major powers so they remain major powers. Then why be flexible and allow India? Because rigid structures are more prone to break than flexible structures. India became the 3rd largest economy ahead of Japan this year on purchasing power and by 2050 both the economies of China and India will independently surpass the U.S., and combined surpass the U.S plus Europe. Moreover, the U.S. doesn't see any long-term conflict with India, and in fact sees India as an ally which has a democracy, a liberal society, and a focus on business and economy rather than military. While India has nuclear and missile programs, its military budget is tiny, at only 2.7% of GDP, compared with 2.6% for England, 3.9% for Russia, 4.7% for the U.S. and 10.4% for Saudi Arabia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures [wikipedia.org] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Military_expenditure_by_GDP_2008.png [wikipedia.org]

All that said, it makes sense to slowly induct India into the status quo than risk a change in the global order. Every exclusive club has to occasionally induct new members to keep from turning irrelevant. That said, while a country club may accept a rich black man with the changing of the times, it's not a free-for-all where it accepts a homeless man. So the nuclear status quo will

Re:Wait, hang on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745365)

Maybe US spokespeople are beginning to choke on their own hypocrisy. I'm sure they'd like to say the words, but they just won't come out.

Re:Wait, hang on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745793)

North Korea has done multiple successful nuke explosions and we KNOW that they have the same nuclear capability as India. India may be at it longer, but no doubt about, NK HAS the capability.

India's new missile just gave them capabilities that NK had 2 decades ago. NK is now trying to build a missile that will be an ICBM. Big difference. India is at least 5-10 years away from that capability.

Finally, NK has multiple agreements that prevent them from doing what they are doing, while India has none.

So the difference is that India is honest while nations like NK and China hide everything that they are doing.

The gap is about 35 years (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745069)

Some time like 1974 or 1975, China did similar tests. So the gap is, hmmm, let's say 35 years.

Re:The gap is about 35 years (1)

sackbut (1922510) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745271)

But I think when talking technology/science, part of the gap can be closed by knowing generally (if not specifically) how something can be done - or even knowing it can be done. And with science, most of it should be published and available (minus defense secrets). And speaking of secrets, let's not forget espionage. It can close the gap quickly! Witness the Soviet Union after WWII and the bomb and also Pakistan in the 80's.

Good for them (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745077)

The more players in the game of M.A.D., the better.

Re:Good for them (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745223)

The chance of mutual destruction increases with each new player added to the game.

Re:Good for them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745319)

If one of us goes, we all should go at that point! No use in chillin out waiting for nuclear fallout to hit.

Re:Good for them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745547)

A deterrent to China?
If China lost half a billion people I bet the government mind too much.

Good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745085)

To India,
Please grow some balls, save the world a lot of trouble and nuke large swaths of Pakistan starting with the NWFP.
-Thanks in advance.

Friday! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745091)

It's Friday Friday
Muthafuckin look it's Friday

I brought this chicken for us to no eat, yeah!

Re:Friday! (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745487)

I like your enthusiasm XD

Not competitors? (3, Insightful)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745141)

From TFA, a spokesman for China's Foreign Ministry, Liu Weimin, said "China and India are large developing nations. We are not competitors but partners."

I say bullshit.

Re:Not competitors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745165)

I say: that 'news' is Old. And no big deal, since none of the proud group "ICBM owners" have got the balls to actually use those.

Re:Not competitors? (1)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745655)

And let's hope they all remain emasculated in that way.

Re:Not competitors? (1, Insightful)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745211)

China plays the bullshit 'we are a developing country' lie card all the time. It's a pile of crap, as they already pretty much bully and control the world like the Americans. The only thing they lack now is a blue water Navy -- when that happens -- and as another poster recently said -- all us non-Han will be niggers.

Re:Not competitors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745295)

The only thing they lack now is a blue water Navy -- when that happens -- and as another poster recently said -- all us non-Han will be niggers.

I started learning Mandarin five years ago. I can now say "I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords". Yes, I am a boiled egg. You can call me Uncle Wong.

Can't feed nor provide clean water for population (2, Interesting)

blahbooboo (839709) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745235)

It's a huge poverty stricken country. It can't even provide food and clean water adequately (and don't get me started on the filth of their healthcare system). Yet they have enough funds to pay for this stuff. Great work and good priorities India!

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (5, Funny)

daem0n1x (748565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745403)

Excuse me, I didn't get it. Are you talking about India or the USA?

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745773)

Have you ever been to India?

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745857)

Have you ever been to Baltimore?

If only things were that simple. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745445)

India is a country surrounded by Pakistan, China, and nearby N. Korea, and other countries who are horribly oppressive, violent and aggressive regimes. They are also currently harboring the Tibetan government in exile; which royally pisses China off.

Time will tell if this was a good idea but from a strategic point of view, I have to agree with their decision.

And don't forget - public protests can be the polar opposite of what's said behind closed doors. Especially, when you need to keep amicable relations with all sides.

Re:If only things were that simple. (2)

o'reor (581921) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745723)

North Korea is as "nearby" India as New York is "nearby" Los Angeles. But granted, India's closest neighbours aren't the friendliest guys around.

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745459)

Dude your forgetting India is where we dump our e-waste. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2071920,00.html [time.com]

What did you think they would do with it?
BR> They also have built the first fully functional 35$ computer (keybaord, monitor, os,etc) , before the raspberry pie (you have to provide monitor, keyboard, etc). http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/10/india-introduces-the-aakash-a-35-dollar-tablet-computer.html [zap2it.com]

Sure they seem haphazard in their ways http://lh6.ggpht.com/-UhCp2pPblI0/R-1DtL5owuI/AAAAAAAABEw/ZSn9PR4RDCs/P1040295.JPG [ggpht.com]

But they are a head of a few things, regardless of how they do things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourced_(TV_series) [wikipedia.org]

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745461)

Or education for hundreds of millions. Keep engaging in ridiculous pissing contests, India.

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745791)

Countering existential threat = "ridiculous pissing contest"?

Well, I suppose Cold War was essentially a "ridiculous pissing contest" as well in a hindsight. Didn't stop it from almost wiping humanity from face of a planet a couple of times.

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745605)

Hmm, the same can be said about parts of China and the USA too...

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745617)

It's a huge poverty stricken country. It can't even provide food and clean water adequately (and don't get me started on the filth of their healthcare system). Yet they have enough funds to pay for this stuff. Great work and good priorities India!

India is not what is shown in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, we don't eat monkey brains. We are not poor, some may be poor. We have largest gold in reserve. Stop telling that Indians are poor

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (1)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745699)

India is not what is shown in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, we don't eat monkey brains

Aigh! I've been looking forward to Indian monkey brains my whole life and now you go and let me down!

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745905)

We are not poor, some may be poor. Stop telling that Indians are poor

340 Million [ophi.org.uk] Indians live in extreme poverty. There's a decent percent of population that doesn't live in extreme poverty but ignoring them doesn't help (or fool) anybody.

We have largest gold in reserve

Actually you still have to catch up to Germany, but this will serve you well in the future. At least the people who don't die of malnutrition in the meantime.

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745635)

Absolutely good work on their priorities.

Let India get technology for balistic flights, nuclear weapons, and (hopefully) set up a permanent colony on the moon.

Knowledge should be shared, and India is a relatively stable democracy. Why not them?

(If they spent all their money feeding the poor, they wouldn't have a major worldwide tech center in Bangalore.)

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (5, Insightful)

mrops (927562) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745661)

I have read this bullshit before. India had a GDP of 1.73 trillion dollars last year, of this it spend 36 billion on R&D including this one. So you are saying its wrong to spend less than 2 cents of every dollar you make on protecting yourself. Not only that, this tech also is related to satellite launch market, which is quite lucrative. India also launches and makes money on that.

So don't buy your LED TV, smartphone, Laptop until you pay off your mortgage, that is wrong priorities by your logic. Furthermore, dare you get a gun or a security system in your house until your mortgage and debt are paid off.

What rubbish!

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (5, Interesting)

cplusplus (782679) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745765)

They can thank about a hundred years of British rule for driving them in to poverty. India was among the wealthiest countries on earth until the British showed up and proceeded to siphon trillions of dollars (in today's terms) of raw wealth like gold, precious metals, and gems, from them. Want to see a small example of India's former wealth? Look no further than the crown that sat upon the late Queen Elizabeth's head. The world would look totally different today if Britain wasn't able to steal from India to help get them through two world wars.

India's continued investment to prove that they can keep up with powerful western nations will only help prop up their nation as a whole, and help lift all out of poverty over time. Count the poor on the streets of Bangalore (a major IT hub), and compare it with other Indian cities that haven't see the same level of investment, like Calcutta, and you'll see what first hand what it can do.

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745927)

utter rubbish blah blah ...trillions of dollars (in today's terms) ... blah blah

I think you mean billions (in today's terms) rather than trillions.

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745813)

it is not the governments job to feed you. you are responsible for yourself.

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745939)

it is not the governments job to feed you. you are responsible for yourself.

Some of us also think we're responsible for our fellow man. When the government takes money from the people to build weapons they don't need, that money is no longer available to either feed the poor directly or create jobs or infrastructure for them to feed themselves.

Re:Can't feed nor provide clean water for populati (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745911)

Just look at the recession, stagnant economy, burst real estate bubble and massive youth unemployment. Oops, wrong country.

How Long? (1)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745285)

Before one of the scientists/engineers involved sells the tech to North Korea and don't say it wouldn't happen how do you think NK got nuclear tech in the 1st place!

Re:How Long? (4, Insightful)

theycallmeB (606963) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745517)

North Korea got nuclear weapons technology from Pakistan, and possibly from China many years ago, not from India. Since India is not, unlike their neighbors to the north-west, bat-shit insane, they probably know that selling asymmetric weapons tech to countries that are bat-shit insane does not advance any of India's political or economic interests. As such they have probably already taken measures comparable to the US or France to secure their project rather than cold calling every drug exporting, famine inducing, hereditary dictatorship in their Rolodex.

And for similar reasons, nobody is any more worked up about this than if France tested a new missile, and maybe even a little less concerned than if the US developed a new ICBM.

Re:How Long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745599)

Pakistan, and possibly from China many years ago, not from India.

Last I heard, it was Pakistan, Chana, and Russia. Its rare for nuclear proliferation to occur without Russia's involvement. And surprisingly, France all too often has a hand in things too.

pakistan next (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745287)

let me guess..
umm.. Islamabad is rolling out its 3-stage peeshooter next.. named "Ache-me"

Re:pakistan next (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39745465)

maximum range .. newDelhi

Stop (2)

Sav1or (2600417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745391)

Stop acting like this is fair, the ones who got there first are the ones who decides who has these weapons and who doesn't. This "Oh but we have nukes! why do we get nukes and no one else does?" is old and just shows off your bleeding heart and inability to understand how things work on the world stage. India isn't run by a, like stated above, a batshit leader who is constantly threatening their neighbors. I say more power to them, they can have their rockets.

Obligatory Leftist Rant (0)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745589)

North Korea and Iran Must be given nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them anywhere on earth they desire because we hate America, the West and of course Israel.

free tibet (1, Insightful)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745637)

I watch China tv on free satellite once in a while, CCTV4 English, and find it amusing when they refer to the 'Liberation of Tibet' - Liberation? From What? The iron fisted oppressive dictatorial rule of the Dalai Lama ???

Re:free tibet (1)

wiredog (43288) | more than 2 years ago | (#39745805)

The iron fisted oppressive dictatorial rule of the Dalai Lama ???
That's exactly what they (claim) they liberated Tibet from. Not that it needed liberating, since it's part of China and always has been.

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