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Google Shutting Out Rivals, Claims Russian Search Engine Yandex

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the red-in-tooth-and-claw dept.

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suraj.sun writes "Ilya Segalovich, co-founder of Russia's leading search engine, Yandex, has accused Google of abusing its dominance to shut out competitors in cyberspace. Responding to comments made to the Guardian by Sergey Brin, the Google co-founder, about threats to the open internet, Ilya Segalovich described the U.S. search giant's popular smartphone platform, Android, as a 'strange combination of openness and not openness,' and its Chrome web browser as anti-competitive. Segalovich said that Brin should explain Google's 'semi-open' approach to search competitors before accusing others of endangering the unfettered internet, and suggested Google was guilty of foul play with its Chrome browser, which picks the company's own search engine as default for users, rather than offering a choice between rivals including Yahoo, Bing and Yandex."

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Well yea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757239)

Well yea. People only seem to speak up about this when it threaten their money.
Doesn't matter when it threaten privacy, freedom, etc.

Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (5, Informative)

Todd Knarr (15451) | about 2 years ago | (#39757243)

That's odd. On my machine I can open Chrome, go to Settings|Basics|Search and select from several search engines including Bing and Chrome will honor my selection. If the one you like isn't listed, you can add it yourself. Sure it starts out set to Google by default, it kind of has to be set to something, but that's hardly "shutting out the competition".

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757279)

Still looks like the exact same thing as having internet explorer as default installed in windows. just one level deeper. Microsoft had to change it. so why not google?

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

Hentes (2461350) | about 2 years ago | (#39757303)

Because IE was bundled with MS, thus you effectively had to pay for it whether you used it or not. Google, however, can be used from any other browser without cost.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (2)

Sancho (17056) | about 2 years ago | (#39757667)

The bundling problem always had to do with Microsoft using a monopoly in one market (OS) to gain significant market share in another market (web browsers.) It had nothing to do with having to pay for unwanted bundles (at least in the US.) Otherwise, Microsoft might have needed to unbundle things like Notepad, Wordpad, Paint, etc. I sure know that I never would have wanted those, preferring WinVi and a real painting tool.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757875)

The bundling problem always had to do with Microsoft using a monopoly in one market (OS) to gain significant market share in another market (web browsers.) It had nothing to do with having to pay for unwanted bundles (at least in the US.) Otherwise, Microsoft might have needed to unbundle things like Notepad, Wordpad, Paint, etc. I sure know that I never would have wanted those, preferring WinVi and a real painting tool.

So Google has turned Microsoft's game on it's head, they have gained a significant share in one market (Web Browsers) to sustain what is practically a monopoly in another (Internet Search). When I installed Chrome it did not pop up a window and offer me a choice of which search engine to use. How many people bother to click their way into the settings menu and pick a search engine other than Google whey they set up Chrome? I'd be surprised if they more than a small percentage. Chrome provides Google with a very powerful tool for gathering data on the browsing habits of millions of people that is rivaled only by those omnipresent Facebook buttons.

Posting anonymously to avoid being modded down by legions of Googlebots furiously lecturing me on how none of this is really anything to worry about because Google isn't evil and would never ever abuse it's position unlike Microsoft which is the spawn of Satan.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

maroberts (15852) | about 2 years ago | (#39757903)

Well I had mod points (until I commented here) and would have voted up because its a sensible statement of a possible anti-trust action.

Microsoft may be the spawn of Satan, but there is no reason why Google cannot be persuaded to sell its soul and join the Dark Side.... :-)

In former microsoft world ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758025)

there is no reason why Google cannot be persuaded to sell its soul and join the Dark Side

They just have to set the "evil bit".

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (2)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | about 2 years ago | (#39758073)

When I installed Chrome it did not pop up a window and offer me a choice of which search engine to use. How many people bother to click their way into the settings menu and pick a search engine other than Google whey they set up Chrome?

Conversely, how many people install Chrome and reasonably expect some other search engine to be the default? I mean, If you're downloading the Google Chrome web browser, it would seem kinda obvious to me that the default search engine would be Google.

The real question is; how many people would bother to change it even if it was a big pop-up window when you first ran the browser? I literally do not know anybody that does not solely use Google as their search engine. Of course that's not to say that those people don't exist, obviously, but I'd really doubt it's a sizable percentage based on my own personal observations. I mean, not sure if this is still true, but Bing was using Google's search results [infopackets.com]. Why fuck around with a middle-man?

I'm no Googlebot, and I understand the privacy concerns that stem from the fact that they've got their fingers in literally every damn pie out there, but I think that there are some silly scenarios that come out of these complaints. Like the arguments against Google just returning the answer to a query at the top of a search rather than serving up a bunch of websites related to it if it can do so. Most people, when they search a question, are looking for a fucking answer, not 1,000 websites talking about the answer. If I type in "How tall is Tom Cruise?", I'm not wondering how tall IMDB specifically thinks he is, or Wikipedia, I just want to know how freaking tall he is...but there are people arguing that is an abuse of their position and should deliberately obfuscate the information to drive hits to competitor sites? Come on. Not saying this particular AC is saying that (before someone starts screaming Straw Man) just saying I've heard that argument before and it's always seemed weird to me.

For the record, I never really agreed with the Microsoft anti-trust shit, either. I know it was fashionable to hate on them back then in "You Will Be Assimilated" era, but that was one thing that I felt Microsoft was totally within it's rights to do. If they prevented you from installing a rival browser, fine, or if they deliberately made a rival browser perform worse than their own, fine...but simply including it's own by default was fine with me. Apple includes Safari with OSX, you can't remove it...does Apple need an anti-trust suit?

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (2)

haruchai (17472) | about 2 years ago | (#39758287)

It's been a long time since the IE-only browser issue but from what I vaguely recall, my issue with M$ stance was their claim that IE was an intrinsic part of the OS that couldn't be removed ( I believe the judge proved them wrong on the spot ). Since there were critical exploits, because of that IE-Windows integration, M$ was essentially and unnecessarily forcing users on a compromised platform when there were already viable ( arguably better ) alternatives that didn't compromise the entire OS.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (2)

zlogic (892404) | about 2 years ago | (#39758525)

I remember the time when IE dominated the web and it was not pretty. Most sites didn't bother testing compatibility with other browsers - when Firefox 1.0 was finally released, a lot of sites didn't work or display correctly. IE6 was synonymous with stagnation (a popup blocker appeared only in Windows XP SP2, 3 years after IE6 was released!). Most feature-rich or banking sites simply installed their own ActiveX controls or used flash because Javascript in IE was so poor.
Futhermore, IE versions for Mac and Windows Mobile worked differently from the desktop version. I'd say it's remarkable that today you can expect 99% websites to work properly on any browser or device - a direct consequence of IE losing marketshare, forcing webmasters to care about compatibility with non-IE browsers.
Although I do admit that IE introduced AJAX before others.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758393)

I am one of those users that would bother to change the search engine and I must say it is a lot easier with Google Chrome to change the search engine to Bing than it is with IE to change the search engine to Google.
Chrome lists the most popular search engines and changing it is just a matter of two clicks. In IE it's a tedious task, where you have to search for other search providers, where Google (the most popular choice) is not always listed on the first page and a lot of random crap is suggested instead.

That Google uses Chrome to harvest even more data from users is obvious, but comparing Chrome to IE in respect to the search engine settings goes too far.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (4, Informative)

Z34107 (925136) | about 2 years ago | (#39758521)

When I installed Chrome it did not pop up a window and offer me a choice of which search engine to use.

You're either lying or blind, Mr. AC. I installed Chrome just now, and I was greeted with a search engine pop-up [dropbox.com]. If you miss that, you'll see it every time you right click on the URL bar [dropbox.com].

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | about 2 years ago | (#39758607)

I get prompted as well when first using Chromium for which search engine I want to use. I believe the choices were Google, Bing, and Yahoo

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758711)

He isn't blind. You've just stumbled across Google's underhandedness.

Chrome actually behaves differently based on different things, such as country. IN the US, Chrome prompts you to chose a search engine because they KNOW you'll choose Google. In Russia they don't do this.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758877)

I guess I am some sort of Luddite. I go to the search engine page and perform my search from there. I never understand why people care what search engine the browser is set to. Do most people actually type queries in Chrome directly in the address bar (since it doesn't have a search box anymore)? To Luddites like me, that address bar is where you type a URL. You know, like http://www.google.com/ [google.com] or http://bing.com./ [bing.com.] I just tried typing a search into the address bar and it just feels "wrong".

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 years ago | (#39758975)

To be fair the problem came about more after they tied it into the system and made it impossible to get rid of. Nothing forces Chrome on you and it's happy to let you change search engines which I can't say is the same with MS. Perhaps they've changed but in the past one of their updates changed even my Firefox settings to use Bing without my permission. As far as I'm concerned that's an abuse of your position. Defaulting to your own search engine (or browser) isn't an issue if you let people get rid of it when they don't want it and don't actively try to shut out the competition.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

reub2000 (705806) | about 2 years ago | (#39758245)

When has throwing something in a box that a user might not want been illegal? Nobody complains when a pair of cables is thrown in with a DVD player, when the user might have their own set of cables already.

Microsoft on the other hand got in trouble because they where leveraging their OS monopoly to take over web browsers. This meant that users had to put in extra effort if they wanted to use a competitors product.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758773)

Because IE was bundled with MS, thus you effectively had to pay for it whether you used it or not.

Asinine argument. Minesweeper is bundled with Windows; effectively, I have to pay for it whether I use it or not.

My apartment comes with a gas fireplace; I pay for it whether I use it or not.

Cars come with seat belts, you have to pay for them whether you use them or not.

The Microsoft issue was a non-issue to begin with, then spiraled out of control to relieve people of even more of their personal responsibility. 'sides, how the fuck were people going to download Netscape without IE installed on the box?

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758785)

First, nobody was ever forced to buy Windows. Macs come with Safari and yet Macs can get away with bundling.

"BUT BUT BUT MARKET SHARE!!!!" You say? What about iPads and iPods? They have dominant market share. iPod is almost a generic term now. ...and iTunes is bundled with them. REQUIRED. And iTunes keeps bundling more functiuonality within itself - an app store, Ping social network, etc.

And what about Google? Google has a monopoly on search engines. But what about mapping? That wasn't there originally, but Google bundled mapping in their website search and PRESTO - now Google Maps dominates. And what about Google+? Google wants to muscle into the social networking arena so BLAMMO - they bundle it in with their monopoly search.

At what point will the slashdot neckbeards realize that hat8ing Microsoft for including an uninstallable browser in their OS is DUMB and a double-standard compared to the stuff they let other companies get away with?

I simply can't take this website seriously with all the double-standards.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (4, Informative)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#39757317)

Because your machine does not come with Google Chrome. You had to go fetch it.
And when you install it for the first time it ASKS you which search engine you want.

From then on it shows what ever you selected, and the list of choices is wider than any other browser.

No.. Google has several deals with OEMS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757659)

Google spends several hundred millions of dollars to force chrome as default. they also bundle it with several other software and it becomes default browser and with google as default search engine without asking the user.

http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/sony-defaults-to-google-chrome/ [nytimes.com]

http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-chrome-dell-sony/13055/ [searchenginejournal.com]

but just as someone could have downloaded Netscape using IE in Windows 98 they can change default search to bing in chrome. you either have a problem with both .. or you have a problem with none.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757927)

That's interesting.
I don't own an Android, or use Google OS, but are you saying that they don't come with chrome?

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 years ago | (#39758117)

No kidding. This is not the same situation. Any way you look at it, getting Google to be the default search engine on a fresh Windows install takes more steps than Bing. In fact, it's a testament to how badly Microsoft is doing in the browser and search markets that it still can't get past distant second in search and people in increasing numbers are moving to Chrome.

In other words it's not because of Google's monopoly that its search has been so successful but because Microsoft's monopoly is failing.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758131)

it ASKS you which search engine you want.

No, it doesn't if you're in Russia. That's what all the fuss is about - https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=81578

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758187)

Chrome is bundled with all kinds of third party software now and gets installed as a clickthrough if you blindly hit "next next" like most people do.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758545)

Posting AC due to having moderated already. I'm not sure, "had to go fetch it" is entirely accurate. If I hit google.com when not signed into my account I get a nice big advert in the upper right hand corner of the page with a large "Install Google Chrome" button and the text "A faster way to browse the web". So, they do push it pretty hard and make it dead simple to install it.

Spot on with your statement pertaining to selecting a search engine.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757723)

Look the problem was not only that IE was included in Windows. One you could not remove IE. Two, IE had access to the underlying OS that was on purpose not allowed to be used in Netscape, thus, slowed it down on purpose. Three, Microsoft used its position with vendors to ensure that Netscape could never strike a deal with hardware vendors to include Netscape. Dell, HP, Gateway, IBM, and so on were all told that including Navigator would increase the license cost per machine. Finally, Microsoft used its partnership with Intel to ensure that Netscape couldn't band with someone else and make enough money to offset any kind of increase in license cost. If Netscape tried to get with IBM to make Netscape on the Cyrix processor. Intel could revoke the right for IBM to use the x86 instruction set.

It was a systematic and well planned move to ensure that no matter how much money Netscape could pull together, Netscape was never to be put on a PC and any attempt to do so, should make said PC pay dearly. That's why their butts got hauled to court.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 years ago | (#39758905)

IE defaults to Bing and on a few occasions something I've installed in the past (an XP update) changed it back to Bing and in fact changed Firefox to use Bing. Google is happy to leave me using DDG.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about 2 years ago | (#39757519)

Yea sounds like recent claims by some other smaller browser makers made against IE.

MS had to add a selection of browser in their EU release of Windows I think, and they included the bigger named ones; IE, Chrome, FF, Safari, Opera, etc... But then a buncha smaller ones got made because they were also not included.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

ninetyninebottles (2174630) | about 2 years ago | (#39757679)

Yea sounds like recent claims by some other smaller browser makers made against IE.

Here's where you seem confused. They made claims against Microsoft, not IE. Microsoft has dominance in the desktop OS market and used that to promote IE instead of letting it live or die based upon it's own merits in a competitive marketplace. Google may be guilty of similar leveraging of their dominance in online search and search related advertisement, but not in bundling things into their browser (which has relatively small market share). Google can bundle anything they want with Chrome. It's when they bundle things with Google search (you get them when you get search) that you run afoul antitrust law. When Google starts promoting their other services unfairly in search results (as they've done and been busted for) that's when Google is doing the same antitrust behavior as MS.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

maroberts (15852) | about 2 years ago | (#39757915)

Chrome is getting to a stage where its share of the market could be regarded as significant.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

Threni (635302) | about 2 years ago | (#39758457)

Uh yeah, if by that you mean `it's the most popular browser`, which it apparently is from time to time (ie people are paid to use IE but opt to use Chrome in their spare time because it's shit-loads better).

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

bhagwad (1426855) | about 2 years ago | (#39757805)

Personally, I could never understand why Microsoft got into trouble with IE. After all, you could always change browsers if you wanted to...like most of us did. To my mind, having something as a default as long as there was an easy way to override it should not be reasons for antitrust.

Now if Windows had disallowed or otherwise hindered users from installing another browser, THAT would be a different matter altogether!

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

ninetyninebottles (2174630) | about 2 years ago | (#39757917)

Personally, I could never understand why Microsoft got into trouble with IE.

Read an economics textbook. Antitrust and bundling are pretty common terms. Anything written in the last century should cover it.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (1)

bhagwad (1426855) | about 2 years ago | (#39758275)

It's about not understanding antitrust laws. It's about me not accepting the definition of antitrust in this particular case. Every side has more than one way of looking at it after all.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757925)

> or otherwise hindered users from installing another browser

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall IE being so deeply "integrated" with Windows that using other browsers would be much slower. Also, don't forget about ActiveX and IE-only webpages. And NTLM-encrypted intranets, and windows-1252, which are still worth mentioning although they aren't issues anymore.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757969)

Now if Windows had disallowed or otherwise hindered users from installing another browser, THAT would be a different matter altogether!

It did. At one point it was "impossible" to separtate IE from Windows. Certain functionality required IE. Microsoft was pushing to make websites that were IE only. Read some history before commenting again.

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (4, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#39757929)

I think it might not in Russia (some AC below posted a link to a bug report that said they disabled the first-run search selector screen for Russian builds). However, it should be noted this is not a monopolistic practice. Yandex has 62% share in Russia, while Google only has a 25% share, so they can't really be "shutting out" Yandex: Yandex is by far the biggest player already. You can argue about what Google should do, but not offering a selection screen is hardly illegal, because Google isn't even close to the majority player.

Also, Segalovich claims that "If you download an application [on Android] it does not work if it's not Android marketplace." Which is wrong, at face value (I've sideloaded apps all the time), so either a) this is just FUD or b) he isn't conveying his point very well (actually, b is certain, I read what he is claiming and I still don't know what he is trying to say).

Re:Chrome doesn't offer a choice? News to me (3, Interesting)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#39758023)

The story he was referring to was not about the ability to change the search engine in general, but rather about the dialog [howtonew.com] that pops up when you first run Chrome on a given machine and asks you to select the initial default search engine (kinda like that browser ballot box that Microsoft had to add in Windows to satisfy EU).

Which is a nice thing - though not legally mandated in any way (but I bet it was a pre-emptive move by Google's legal department). Except that they then specifically disabled [chromium.org] it if current locale is Russian. Legal, of course, but kinda sleazy to do this kind of market differentiation.

All that said, the code seems to no longer be present in Chromium trunk [chromium.org].

On a Mac, Chrome lets you choose a search provider (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757271)

Last time I installed Chrome on my Mac it asked me whether I wanted to use Google, Bing or Yahoo. I think it even randomizes the order in which the choices appear, to avoid bias for the first entry. I don't think it ever asks on Ubuntu. I'm not sure about windows.

Chrome DOES offer a choce (2)

melted (227442) | about 2 years ago | (#39757277)

When first installed, it lets you select between Yahoo, Google and Bing (so basically between Google and Bing, because Yahoo uses Bing for search).

Re:Chrome DOES offer a choce (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#39757325)

Once installed, you can also hit the Manage Search Engines button in settings and us any of dozens. (Some of which just offload back to Google, but that's their issue).

Re:Chrome DOES offer a choce (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757867)

Yes. But not in Russia, which is what this story is about. Source: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=81578

Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (1, Interesting)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 2 years ago | (#39757285)

Chrome is free. It doesn't cost a penny. Nothing (not counting incompetence) stops Yandex from creating their own free browser that defaults to Yandex. And for the M$ Weenies out there who will surely object prior to getting a clue, the right to use Explorer is purchased when you buy M$ garbage.

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757329)

The brother speaks the truth.

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (1)

peppepz (1311345) | about 2 years ago | (#39757503)

Google is a for-profit company that competes on the ad market. It makes money out of Chrome (proof of it is the fact that they're marketing it very aggressively through paid banners). The fact that they don't sell it directly is not relevant to the fact that they could attain a dominant position in the ad market. In that case they would be in the same situation as Microsoft in the OS market, so IMHO they could be forced to offer a "choice screen" when you install Chrome, just like Microsoft were forced to do with Windows.

Many comments here say that Chrome already offers such a screen; if it's so, then I think they're already OK.

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757663)

There is a choice screen when you install Chrome.

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 2 years ago | (#39758133)

There is a choice screen when you install Chrome.

I just installed Chrome with a user account created specially for the occasion. I didn't see that choice screen. All I got was a nag screen asking me to make Chrome the default browser for this user, but at least Chrome gave me the option of saying 'no'. If you click your way into the Chrome settings menu Google does offer a very basic "Manage Search Engines..." wizard that comes with four pre-installed search engines, Google, Bing, Yahoo and a local engine that specializes in my native language. You can also add other search engines on your own if you are familiar with URL variables and printf style format strings. It's simple enough for a geek but I'm betting most non geeky users (which would be 99.99% of the Google Chrome using public) would not know how to add a search engine that isn't in that list by default.

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | about 2 years ago | (#39758543)

As you search other websites, it automatically adds them to that search engine listing. Mine has CNN, Pirate Bay, Amazon, Best Buy, and a slew of others available.

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (1)

zlogic (892404) | about 2 years ago | (#39758553)

Chrome collects search engines in "Manage Search Engines...". All you have to do is manually open a search engine and do one search, Chrome will then add it to the list.

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (1)

swillden (191260) | about 2 years ago | (#39757911)

Many comments here say that Chrome already offers such a screen; if it's so, then I think they're already OK.

It does. Does IE offer a choice of search engines the first time you run it?

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#39758075)

It does.

That depends [chromium.org].

(that code is gone in more recent releases, but it's been there for several months)

Does IE offer a choice of search engines the first time you run it?

It does [photobucket.com], but it's not straightforward - it basically asks you if you want to use Bing or "something else", and it will only show the selector if you pick the latter.

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (1)

peppepz (1311345) | about 2 years ago | (#39758079)

There's a choice screen before installing IE itself, so the problem is solved at a lowe level.

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757567)

Chrome is not free. You pay for it with your privacy! If you don't believe me run a tcpdump on your local machine and you'll see it for yourself. Chrome phones home all the time, and that's not the worst part.

--
Sundar Pichai's incompetence costed me my job. Fuck him and his fucking family!

Re:Hello, Ilya McFly !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758179)

Just use chromium and stop whining you chucklefuck.

Chrome asks.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757287)

When installed, to choose between Yahoo, Bing and Google. Its been like this for a while. This guy should try installing chrome again.

This man *is* a loser, period. (4, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | about 2 years ago | (#39757335)

Google was guilty of foul play with its Chrome browser, which picks the company's own search engine as default for users, rather than offering a choice between rivals including Yahoo, Bing and Yandex."

The gentleman Ilya Segalovich must be a very interesting individual.

I have a solution for him:

I think the time is ripe for him to unleash the Yandex browser to the world, why not?

Good luck my man!

Re:This man *is* a loser, period. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757583)

This man manages 5th most popular search engine in the world. By any means he s not a looser.

Re:This man *is* a loser, period. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757641)

looser

No, the real "loosers" are the people that spell a simple words like loser correctly.

Re:This man *is* a loser, period. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757749)

In my opinion Google shills are bigger losers than people who misspell simple words or those who have only the 5th most popular search engine (I'm yet another AC BTW)

Re:This man *is* a loser, period. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758483)

I am genuinely surprised that 1.7% of the search market is Russian.

Anyways, it strikes me more like another case of the Russian persecution complex than anything else. The "Cheating West" is the perfect foil whenever things aren't quite going Ivan's way.

Re:This man *is* a loser, period. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758145)

Actually in Russia there are chromium based browsers that have Russian default search engines:
example:
http://internet.mail.ru/

And some time ago it was even called "chrome" and had the same logo as chrome. Which was very confusing.

Wrong order (2, Insightful)

Haedrian (1676506) | about 2 years ago | (#39757365)

I'm quite sure that most people who use Google Chrome do so after finding out about it because they use Google as a search engine.

So its basically the other way around.

Moreoever, you can change the default search engine, so WOW, issue solved!

Also the only reason I ever heard of Yandex was because I saw their scraper on my website. I had never heard about it before. I guess Google is doing a GREAT job choking them.

Yandex has different censorship rules than google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758109)

Also the only reason I ever heard of Yandex was because I saw their scraper on my website. I had never heard about it before.

So, you live in a small world. It's no great surprise. You're probably american.

Yandex is a good backup for the ever-increasing list of topics which "america" fears and feels it must "censor" in order to maintain the red-white-and-blue wall.

Re:Yandex has different censorship rules than goog (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | about 2 years ago | (#39758151)

You're probably american.

Yandex is a good backup for the ever-increasing list of topics which "america" fears and feels it must "censor" in order to maintain the red-white-and-blue wall.

Incorrect. I'm Maltese.

Also are you suggesting that a russian website is less prone to censorship? What an interesting role reversal.

Re:Wrong order (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#39758111)

You wouldn't know about Yandex unless you're in Russia - they're a locally dominant service, much like Baidu is for China, but they focus primarily on serving that market. So all that talk should really be taken in the context of Russian market alone, not global market.

Google Chrome asks you to choose a search engine. (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | about 2 years ago | (#39757391)

Google Chrome has always asked me to choose a search engine for as long as i can remember. Maybe they should include more search engines, but it does not default to Google Search.

http://techhamlet.com/2010/09/google-know-about-the-other-search-engines/ [techhamlet.com]

Most people use the default search setting (2)

Animats (122034) | about 2 years ago | (#39757409)

Google pays Apple $100 million a year to be the default search engine on the iPhone. Google pays Mozilla $125 million a year to be the default search engine on Firefox. Most Bing traffic comes from the default setting in Internet Explorer. Few people actually change their default search engine setting.

This has some strong implications for the search industry. First, most users don't care which search engine they're using. Second, search has negative value - search engines are an ad medium that has to pay to be seen.

Re:Most people use the default search setting (1)

therealobsideus (1610557) | about 2 years ago | (#39757451)

Curious, does Google pay the mobile carriers to keep the Android default search option as Google? Would be counter-intuitive, to me at least, as the phone integrates so perfectly with Google services.

Re:Most people use the default search setting (2)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | about 2 years ago | (#39757727)

search has negative value

Your argument generalizes to the idea that any product for which the seller pays for shelf space has negative value. This occurs pretty much anywhere that distributor intermediaries have sufficient market power to abuse it, specifically where customers choose the distributor intermediary based on more considerations than solely which third party service (e.g. search engine) they offer.

Kindly troll elsewhere.

Yandex? Ewww... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757419)

Yandex? Ewww...
That crap usually spits out lots of SEO-optimized bullshit but nothing useful

Google and Chrome are not open! (1, Funny)

Lost+Found (844289) | about 2 years ago | (#39757445)

I demand they set the default search engine to my new project, ButtSearch, immediately!

Re:Google and Chrome are not open! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757801)

I thought that was a TSA product...

It Does Play Fair (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757495)

thats strange
after a fresh new install of chrome on any system, MAC/LINUX/WINDOWS
i was offered an option to choose a default search engine between Google, Yahoo and Bing.

Russians are scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757509)

Evey time I see that scumbag from Dr. Web trying to blackmail Apple I remember what a shitty country it is.

Re:Russians are scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757949)

Next Slashdot poll should be "Slashdot's most hated race"

Chinese
Indians
Mexicans
Russians
Jews
Niggers

Re:Russians are scum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758745)

I usually live in a mixed neighborhood with mostly Spanish and black but the other day I was on the upper east side and like everybody was white and Asian, omg it was so awesome! It may not be politically correct but hanging around with educated gainfully employed non-violent law abiding citizens was a major revelation. Mainly time to move out of this shit hole to some where civilized, astronomical rents be damned.

Doesn't Chrome let you choose after installation? (1)

schitso (2541028) | about 2 years ago | (#39757579)

It's been a long time since I installed Chrome, but I thought I recalled a window popping up letting you choose one of three search providers as default?

Re:Doesn't Chrome let you choose after installatio (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758121)

Not if you're in Russia, as Yandex is better there - https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=81578

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757587)

I don't use google search because my browser/phone makes me.. I use Android because it uses google search by default, and other reasons.

yandex version of chromium (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757695)

Yandex distributes a modified/rebranded version of Chromium: http://browser.yandex.ru/

In a twist of the unexpected, Yandex Chromium doesn't ask me if I want to change the default search engine away from Yandex, though it does have the same search engine switcher in settings (with Yandex at the top).

waaambulance. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757717)

yandex is a world leader in spammyness. i can't wait for them to shut down.

Astroturfing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757885)

- First, an article asking about bias against M$;
- Now, another proposing a choice among his search engine and M$-based ones;
- What next? Santa's secret identity finally uncovered as being Bill?

Come on, these people cannot possibly believe the public is that much stupid, can they?

On kubuntu it asks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39757957)

I installed Chrome on my Kubuntu machine few months ago and it did ask me which search engine I want to use. For some reason I just had to select Bing.

After the Jump (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758395)


From the website link...
Comments on this page are now closed.

Isn't that convienient?

comments moderated as well.
Dark mood calls the bluff, leaving a seed story in the rough.
Thanks for telling us the horse has left the barn, which is now the center of the universe, and under complete control.

If Sergey really cared, he would quit with massive publicity protest, and underwrite a few thousand public access shows to raise awareness.

$60 * 1000 = $60,000 , I'm a billionaire I can take it

Google already won (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758443)

You don't call it "I'm going to Yandex that" you say "I'm going to Google that" I jokingly said the other day to "Bing something" and my boss said what is Bing? I told him its that search engine you get when you put info in the address bar on IE. He always types google.com in there and searches from there. Every time someone needs to do a search they will think Google that and go to Google.com. sorry Yandex.

A must read (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39758535)

This many refers to: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=81578

Yandex is not small, they are a corporation, they are no google but still...

One commenter says it best:

In Soviet Russia Google choose users.

Just one patch and see what you have done with Yandex:
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/yndx/stock-chart

How about... (1)

jimboindeutchland (1125659) | about 2 years ago | (#39758609)

...you build your own free web browser and set your search engine as the default? Google don't have a monopoly on the browser market. Heul doch.

Yandex ? (1, Interesting)

Pop69 (700500) | about 2 years ago | (#39758805)

They're the ones who seem to ignore my robots.txt.

Admittedly it may be someone posing as their spider, I blocked them anyway just to be on the safe side.
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