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Valve's Steam & Games Coming To Linux

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the time-to-play dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Valve's Steam and Source Engine-based games are coming to Linux. Michael from well known site Phoronix.com has been invited to Valve's office and was able to spend a day with the developers and Gabe Newell himself. He is confirming the rumors about Linux ports from Valve, and has been able to play the games and work the developers himself. Attached in the article are pictures from Valve's offices with games running on Linux."

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Finally! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39797379)

It only took them forever...wonder what they did about their desire for DRM.

Re:Finally! (4, Insightful)

Anrego (830717) | about 2 years ago | (#39797457)

I would assume left it in?

I haven't been following this whole thing, but I assume it's going to be closed source. Much as I'd prefer it open (like everything) and am sure it will be a nightmare to get running (and keep running) in my distro of choice (gentoo) I'm cool with just the functionality for now.

Re:Finally! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798061)

wow, if you think gentoo is a hard to maintain distro, don't try anything else pls.

Re:Finally! (4, Insightful)

DragonTHC (208439) | about 2 years ago | (#39798365)

Right? Why doesn't the most successful online game distribution platform and developer of all time just open source their entire livelihood?

look for the goodies on steam workshop.

Re:Finally! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39799431)

Nobody cares about Linux. It is an irrelevant technology.

Re:Finally! (0)

noh8rz3 (2593935) | about 2 years ago | (#39799591)

Troll harder, troll. The only reason why windoze and OSx feel any need for quality is because Linux is pressuring them mon the high end, showing computer users what they should demand in terms of system integrity and quality. Without it,you'd still be using the equivalent of XP.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39799621)

Troll harder, troll.

Physician heal thyself.

Ever get that Deja Dupe feeling? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39797385)

Ever get that Deja Dupe feeling?

Re:Dupe (5, Funny)

samkass (174571) | about 2 years ago | (#39797589)

No, that article discussed the port to GNU/Linux. *This* article is about the port to Linux.

Re:Dupe (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39797903)

Exactly!

GNU/Linux (Linux + GNU development tools and system software) is a development platform powered by Linux OS.
Linux (Linux kernel) is only a operating system and nothing else.

Re:Dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798803)

Do I technically get to advance to "Wolf! Wolf!" [slashdot.org] , or do I need to wait until Phoronix themselves say it again?

oooOOOooh (1)

emudoug42 (977380) | about 2 years ago | (#39797397)

Sounds interesting, here's another source, since this is slashdotted: http://www.techspot.com/news/48335-valve-confirms-steam-and-source-engine-for-linux.html [techspot.com]

Re:oooOOOooh (5, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#39797451)

And if that doesn't work here's [slashdot.org] another source.

Re:oooOOOooh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798159)

Watch out, posting links to slashdot might cause slashdot to shashdot shashdot.

Or, to make things more clear: /. /.s /.

talk about a repost slashdot (1, Redundant)

meow27 (1526173) | about 2 years ago | (#39797421)

http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/04/25/1241241/phoronix-confirms-gnulinux-steam-and-source-engine-clients

the above has been posted less than 5 hours ago. at least come up with a new link!

It has come! (5, Funny)

sagematt (1251956) | about 2 years ago | (#39797425)

The Year of the Linux (Gaming) Desktop is finally here!

Re:It has come! (1, Informative)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 2 years ago | (#39797519)

Unfortunately, even if every Steam user switched entirely to Linux it would still only have a few percentage points of market share. Linux users waaaay overestimate how much of an impact ths will have. Especially when the Windows version will have 1000+ more games to choose from.

Re:It has come! (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#39797569)

You repeatedly seem to make the mistake of worrying about already-released games. The impact is going to come mainly from new titles. Who gives a shit if they port Missy Janes Magical Mystery Adventure or whatever?

Re:It has come! (2, Informative)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 2 years ago | (#39797771)

No, I don't. Get back to me when EA, Activision, Ubisoft etc. provide any official plans to release their big budget titles on Linux. I won't hold my breath, though. Plus it's funny since all the Valve games being wanked over are all 'already-released games'. Most of them over 4 to 5 years old.

Re:It has come! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798085)

All of which are still incredibly popular.

There's cynical, and then there's just stupid.

This *is* big news because of the old games, and because it kicks the door open to a huge number of new games. Steam is an enormous force in the games world... however you want to cut it.

I think this is less to do with Linux being a big market , and more to do with expanding Steam in a way that EA won't with Origin and keep Steam's many fairly vociferous and loyal support.

Whatever... I'm not complaining... nor am I underestimating the impact this will have.

Re:It has come! (2)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#39797809)

Unfortunately, even if every Steam user switched entirely to Linux it would still only have a few percentage points of market share. Linux users waaaay overestimate how much of an impact ths will have.

And? Linux can be legally had for free and the source is open to anybody that wants to hack it and rerelease changes. It pretty much exists outside of the scope of marketshare that Windows and OSX (and BeOS and DrDOS) exist in. If those OS's don't sell to more than a certain critical mass of consumers, they fail. Linux could not be used by a single person for years and then somebody could just pick it up and continue. Maybe if you spent less time bashing (your username wtf?) it you would have a more rational sense of perspective about it.

Re:It has come! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39799257)

LOL, this is comedy gold!!!! Trollgrove, world supreme asshole extraordinaire, criticizing someone for spending too much time bashing? This is hypocrisy so pregnant it literally sets the nasal cavity on fire! Wooooosh!!! On behalf of everyone that has to read the horse shit you poop out on Slashdot, go screw yourself, trollgrove, and that fat pig you jokingly call your girlfriend. You have NO clue how small you are, but when we meet I promise to help you see it. You have my word on it!

Re:It has come! (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#39799373)

You have NO clue how small you are, but when we meet I promise to help you see it. You have my word on it!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...when can I buy your DVD?

Re:It has come! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39799497)

Sign me up for one too! What a bitch threatening people over the internet. Punks like that get curb stomped.

Re:It has come! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39799421)

You have NO clue how small you are, but when we meet I promise to help you see it.

Oh look an internet tough guy:) Shut up before you get your little puke face smashed in, faggot.

Re:It has come! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39797991)

Baby steps. This is just the beginning. Indy devels are all over Steam. How much extra work to make their Steam Mac ports work under Linux?
As much as I love the new direction Windows has been going in(excluding Metro), Opensource is the future. RedHat business model for everyone!

Re:It has come! (2)

robmv (855035) | about 2 years ago | (#39799185)

They are afraid of MS Store, locked on ARM devices and very probable to be forced later on x86 on another future Windows releases. And what if Apple make that move in the future with OS X, lock it to only use the App store. We don't know if that will happen, but it it happens Valve is dead in the water, at least Steam. This is a planed movement to use the current power they have with hardcore gamers and see if they can move them to Linux if things become bad for Valve in the future

Re:It has come! (2)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 2 years ago | (#39798931)

So one has too wonder. Will Valve come out with a console/set top box?
That may seem crazy talk but why not. A simple Linux based box that hooks up to steam for games could be a real hit with people.

I don't care (4, Interesting)

Sav1or (2600417) | about 2 years ago | (#39797443)

I don't care if it's open source or not, just as long as i can play my beloved counter strike at a decent fps and not have to switch back to windows. Anyone who says different can just suck on it

Re:I don't care (2)

Anrego (830717) | about 2 years ago | (#39797969)

Yup.

I would love everything to be open, but I'm realistic... and given a choice between nothing and something between nothing and what I want.. I'll go for the latter.

I'm sure there'll be a church of RMS guy telling us we are enabling evil by settling with the devil or some over-dramatic thing like that.. but that stuff is just background noise now...

work the developers himself..? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39797455)

...and has been able to play the games and work the developers himself.

How do they operate? Do they come with a manual?

Lol dupes (-1, Redundant)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 2 years ago | (#39797493)

You couldn't wait much more than 4 hours [slashdot.org] before duping? Good to see samzenpus upholding these great standards as an editor.

Juts what the open source community wants... (-1, Troll)

blahplusplus (757119) | about 2 years ago | (#39797591)

... commercial drm infested steam masquerading as a 'platform'.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (5, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 2 years ago | (#39797747)

Unquestionably, Steam has DRM, but it is some of the least intrusive DRM out there.

I can play games offline. I can download copies of my games as many times as I want on other devices. I don't get limited activations. Steam doesn't break anything else on my box. And Steam routinely has really cheap prices.

I don't like DRM. I feel it punishes paying customers without stopping pirates. But frankly, I think Steam is worth the trade-off. The DRM doesn't get in the way, and the benefits are pretty good.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (5, Insightful)

Diabolus777 (663144) | about 2 years ago | (#39798103)

Agreed. I used to bitch at people buying digital only assets (ITunes, I'm looking at you) as a no win situation. Steam is all the opposite of that. They get insane rebates you'll never see in stores. They let you play offline, redownload countless times, they have automated patching of games which is worth gold, gone are the days of waiting on gamespy servers and going through hoops becasue the publishers will make you go to shady ad infested download sites with their "wait half an hour or pay for a gold memebership" crap. They even have plus values such as notification of new video cards drivers and it can even patch it for you (opt-in) The only thing I hate is that I can't be logged in from several computer at once on the same account, I could play a game on my pc while my gf plays one on my laptop...I guess shared accounts would be a rampant problem. I used to hate the very idea of it...but getting top notch games for under 20$ helped me cope.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798617)

So in other words, when it's not Draconianly applied....DRM works enough to not bother the customer, and somehow please the board members who have no real clue about the subject. All I see is Win/Win here.

Does Steam DRM work to stop piracy....hell no, nothing does. nothing will. Is it a DRM silver bullet in a way? Yup, executive dolts are happy, customers are happy(for the most part).

Now if Valve just had more leverage to require other forms of BS DRM be removed or you can sell your product elsewhere, we'd have something, but that will never be.
This isn't that I want them having control over other games, just how they are distributed over Steam, I've already seen far too many ignorant posts blaming Steam/Valve for some form or other of bullshit DRM in some AAA title they bought on Steam.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (4, Informative)

HeckRuler (1369601) | about 2 years ago | (#39799043)

I can play games offline.

Except when you can't. I've had a handful of times when steam wants to connect even when I tell it to play offline. And it refuses to do anything else. It has pissed me right the hell off each time. That's DRM getting between me and what I paid for.
Steam is a pretty good distribution system. And Valve has a lot of sales which make it enticing. But as far as DRM goes, it's still too much.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (5, Insightful)

nflenz (2426556) | about 2 years ago | (#39797757)

It's not for the open source community. It's for gamers who use Linux. Not every Linux user has the same ideologies.

choice (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798589)

indeed. if one truly value free-choice them don't bitch when people choose what works for them.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39797839)

And that's why nobody takes Linux seriously.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (1)

Anrego (830717) | about 2 years ago | (#39798029)

People are coming around.. taking linux more seriously and the hard core RMS type fanatics less seriously.

Even within the community, more permissive licenses are becoming popular.. and I've personally seen a mellowing in attitudes.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39799055)

But if Linux is just going to become a bunch of closed source restricted stuff with an app store (like Ubuntu is trying to do) then why would I use that instead of just getting OS X? There's already a polished, usable, professional unix desktop.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#39798015)

I love the technical merits of open source and the general philosophy but fuck you and your religion.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (1)

bky1701 (979071) | about 2 years ago | (#39799463)

That "religion" is why Linux and all its surrounding components exist.

Re:Juts what the open source community wants... (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about 2 years ago | (#39798145)

I haven't RTFA, but I'm pretty sure that Valve doesn't have plans to require that everyone using Linux also has Steam installed. So you can just stick with your open-source non-commercial DRM-free game platform. You have one of those, right?

Is it DRM? I didn't notice. (4, Interesting)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about 2 years ago | (#39798499)

I just installed Steam under wine, and it worked. I bought HL2, and it worked. Then a terrible thing happened, and I accidentally the whole .wine directory.

Guess what happened when I reinstalled Steam again? The first time I fired it up, it popped up a little message saying that it couldn't see the installs of all the games I'd bought, and would I like it to go and download them again? Well yes, of course I would, so I clicked "OK", had a cup of tea, and boom, HL2 just plain worked, again.

This isn't like anything else I've seen of DRM. This is just plain handy.

Re:Is it DRM? I didn't notice. (1)

The Moof (859402) | about 2 years ago | (#39799465)

This isn't like anything else I've seen of DRM. This is just plain handy.

It's rare, but Steam has had its share of problems. There's been the occasional authentication server outage (translating you not being able to play any games). Or, if your ISP is having issues, you can't launch games. There is an offline option, but you must already be online to enable a game for offline play.

Re:Is it DRM? I didn't notice. (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about 2 years ago | (#39799683)

No, you don't have to be online. If you have to be online, why does it work when I'm not connected to the Internet?

Re:Is it DRM? I didn't notice. (1)

period3 (94751) | about 2 years ago | (#39799631)

This isn't like anything else I've seen of DRM. This is just plain handy.

Really? Are you sure you're a linux user? apt-get install game

Steam is a glorified, locked down package manager. It's a system of locks that allows you to donate money to developers, except that you must first pay a cut to Valve. I guess that's not all bad - it's no worse than paypal I'm sure.

I think this is great! (3, Informative)

octaene (171858) | about 2 years ago | (#39797739)

I already play Valve games on my Linux computer using PlayOnLinux (http://www.playonlinux.com/). That's been very stable for me, but I'm hoping that a native Valve client will allow even better system performance while gaming.

Re:I think this is great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39797879)

absolutely!
i cant get playonlinux to work and wine/steam has stopped working for me - i'm down to one game - halflife 2 and that has no sound.
This would be great, i have missed a lot of new games over the last few years.

Will this have DRM? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39797753)

The Windows version has very heavy DRM. I'm not sure why they would even bother to port this to Linux.

Re:Will this have DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39799487)

What's "heavy" mean? Strong..? Obtrusive..? Because strong isn't an issue, only obtrusive is, and the only complaint I have is having to remember my User/Pass when I reinstall Windows every few years.

Title a bit misleading (1, Insightful)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#39797819)

Valve is porting Steam and Source to linux right now. Not half-life, not Portal, not TF2, not Counter Strike. Source is just an engine. Steam is a distribution medium.

Steam is new, porting a popular game engine is not. Unreal did it, id did it, others did it. Just because the engine is ported doesn't mean the games automatically follow. Don't get me wrong - I would run Gentoo and compile the Valve games myself if that's what it took to do some good gaming on linux, but I'm not going to get all hot-and-bothered just yet over a game engine. We've been here before with several other companies over the years only to see the support for Linux yanked.

Re:Title a bit misleading (5, Informative)

gumpish (682245) | about 2 years ago | (#39798169)

Valve is porting Steam and Source to linux right now. Not half-life, not Portal, not TF2, not Counter Strike. Source is just an engine. Steam is a distribution medium.

TFA shows Valve dev workstations running L4D2 under Linux.

Re:Title a bit misleading (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798511)

When Valve says they're "porting Source over" they mean HL2, CS:S, TF2, Portal 1+2, L4D, etc. etc.

That's what it meant for MacOS. That's what it always means.

Re:Title a bit misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798885)

You did read the article, right? Okay, fine, you're probably busy. You must have read the summary though? Right? Oh lawdy, not even the summary? That could be why you think the title is confusing.

Re:Title a bit misleading (2)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 2 years ago | (#39799385)

Not half-life, not Portal, not TF2, not Counter Strike

You might like to open the link pointing to the article. You don't even need to read anything, but you can just look at the pretty pictures and then go facepalm in your corner!

Steam with Whitelisted Wine? (3, Interesting)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | about 2 years ago | (#39797983)

I wonder if this Steam Linux client will act like PlayOnLinux and download Whitelisted Wine Clients that Steam won't flag as "cheating." I say this because I have a family member that keeps one Windows 7 machine just because he plays Left 4 Dead 2, and Steam once banned a whole sloth of Wine Users because their DLL files did not match the database Steam had.

Supposedly, Steam keeps a whitelist of known Wine DLLs to prevent this.

Re:Steam with Whitelisted Wine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39799543)

sloth of Wine Users

I prefer murder of drunks.

Linux client != windows games to linux (3, Insightful)

recrudescence (1383489) | about 2 years ago | (#39798021)

Just because Steam will now run officially on linux doesn't mean all the titles existing for windows will magically be available for linux. It only means that developers who had already ported to linux may market it as such. Same thing happened with desura for linux. And you can see how limited the Mac selection on steam is as compared to windows (I'd expect linux to be even less).

The only positive side to this is that, hopefully, companies will have a bit more of an incentive from NOW on to port to linux.

On the other hand, companies that already WERE porting to linux anyway, and in a nice non-DRM manner, will probably opt to do it via steam now instead.

Re:Linux client != windows games to linux (1)

mactard (1223412) | about 2 years ago | (#39798093)

I'm sure the Souce engine code is extremely portable, judging by how well they run on Mac OS X. However the games require Steam, so they port Steam. Source and Steam are one in the same - Steam has just been extended a bit.

Re:Linux client != windows games to linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798333)

Keep in mind that Valve also have their own Steam based console in the works which will likely run on its own Linux distro. Porting steam to
Linux is probably a combination of a free bonus giving Linux users Steam support and testing out Steam on Linux while they're still prototyping hardware. I imagine the latter is their true intent but hopefully being Valve they'll be kind to their users and maintain it well for PC users. If developers want to sell their games on Valve's console they'll likely be able to run on a Linux PC with little to no modification as well. For once a console will actually help out the PC gaming market.

Re:Linux client != windows games to linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798547)

that whole steam console thing was a fabrication

Re:Linux client != windows games to linux (3, Interesting)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 2 years ago | (#39799533)

Just because Steam will now run officially on linux doesn't mean all the titles existing for windows will magically be available for linux.

Of course not, but there's actually several hundreds of games there already that have also Linux-binaries and with Steam coming for Linux the publishers only need to push those Linux-binaries there, too, so people will already at launch have atleast something play. Most more-popular Indie-games atleast seem to sport Linux-support, I've got a handful of such games in my library and I know for a fact that they do run well under Linux. The good thing about this all is that Steam for Linux won't be totally empty even on launch, and with a true-and-tried games delivery platform there's much more incentive for people to release Linux-binaries, too. How much it actually affects publishers and developers in the end remains to be seen, but nevertheless, the chances are now bigger than ever before.

will ATI and nvidia make good drivers? and put the (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 2 years ago | (#39798207)

will ATI and nvidia make good drivers? and put the same level of work in to them as they do with the windows drivers?

Re:will ATI and nvidia make good drivers? and put (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798637)

You should be aware that graphics drivers on OSX, before Steam for Mac, weren't as good as they are now. So, likely Linux drivers will also be better in the future.

Speaking of valve (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798363)

Their employee handbook leaked

http://kotaku.com/5903955/read-valves-employee-company-handbook-its-amazing

Cool stuff, sounds like a great place to work

Steam Box OS is Linux? (2)

BaronAaron (658646) | about 2 years ago | (#39798373)

Would make sense if the rumors of a Steam Box are true.

Re:Steam Box OS is Linux? (4, Insightful)

Mr.Radar (764753) | about 2 years ago | (#39798465)

I completely agree with this. One of the big problems with Valve attempting something like the SteamBox is Steam and games being tied to the Windows and OS X platforms. Apple definitely wouldn't allow a third party to use their OS and it's questionable whether Microsoft would let someone build a console on Windows technology that would compete with the Xbox. Not to mention that even if Microsoft did, consoles generally have a negative or very thin profit margin and paying for an OEM OS licenses on top of the cost of the hardware is the last thing you'd want to do in that circumstance.

From Valve's perspective, building a game console on Linux would be highly preferable to Windows because it would leave them in full control of the software stack without any license fees. Not to mention that a set baseline of hardware would allow them to do mitigate the biggest problem facing gaming on Linux (after game availability) which is the poor and inconsistent state of 3d graphics drivers by providing guarantees for what will work to developers.

If they are truly interested in building their own game console, porting Steam (and Source) to Linux would be a good first step.

Re:Steam Box OS is Linux? (5, Interesting)

GuerillaRadio (818889) | about 2 years ago | (#39798667)

Shuttleworth recently said the target for Ubuntu was 200 million users in four years and hinted at some upcoming hardware partnerships...

What if the SteamBox's official OS is going to be Ubuntu and Steam is to be heavily integrated into Unity?

Re:Steam Box OS is Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39799147)

If it's true it's going to suck and flop. While it's nice that Linux users will finally get to some great games the truth is that those games only represent about 4% of everything on Steam. No other software vendor is going to go for this anytime soon. That means that Steam Box is going to flop unless it's offered for about 300 dollars *with* the Valve titles. You know that ain't happening.
 
I'm a big fan of Steam but this will fail badly if this is their plan.

Makes up for Adobe! (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | about 2 years ago | (#39798641)

This certainly more than makes up for Adobe pulling Flash support from Linux.

(Fingers crossed that this sees the light of day...)

not running on 'Linux' fool! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39798685)

running on GNU/Linux, silly Web monkey

sincerely,

Richard

Windows 8: really awful (1)

shish (588640) | about 2 years ago | (#39798785)

Reading the motivations, it seems we should also be thankful to microsoft for this -- part of the motivation for their devs to work on it is that linux is slowly getting better on the desktop*, but the other part is that windows is rapidly getting worse :P

* or slowly getting worse, if you use ubuntu and don't know how to install an alternative window manager; but Metro is still ahead of Unity in that respect

Just in time... (3, Informative)

aztektum (170569) | about 2 years ago | (#39799141)

What good timing. There just happen to be a bunch of Kickstarter projects that will need a way to distribute their promised Linux clients.

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