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House Passes CISPA

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the bad-ideas dept.

Privacy 616

wiedzmin writes "The House approved Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act with a 248 to 168 vote today. CISPA allows internet service providers to share Internet 'threat' information with government agencies, including DHS and NSA, without having to protect any personally identifying data of its customers, without a court order. It effectively immunizes ISPs from privacy lawsuits for disclosing customer information, grants them anti-trust protection on colluding on cybersecurity issues and allows them to bypass privacy laws when sharing data with each other."

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First (5, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814055)

George Orwell

Re:First (-1, Flamebait)

CaptainLugnuts (2594663) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814071)

Let me be the first to say: "Fuck you too."

Re:First (0)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814283)

You're welcome, Captain Fuckchunk.

Re:First (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814115)

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml [house.gov] Handy list of the reps who voted for this turd.

Re:First (2)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814247)

Thanks. Good to see that my rep seems to be doing ok so far. Against CSIPA, against SOPA/PIPA, and a couple of other bills that were important. Go Honda!

Re:First (4, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814471)

"Basically this means CISPA can no longer be called a cybersecurity bill at all. The government would be able to search information it collects under CISPA for the purposes of investigating American citizens with complete immunity from all privacy protections as long as they can claim someone committed a "cybersecurity crime". Basically it says the 4th Amendment does not apply online, at all. Moreover, the government could do whatever it wants with the data as long as it can claim that someone was in danger of bodily harm, or that children were somehow threatenedâ"again, notwithstanding absolutely any other law that would normally limit the government's power."
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-worse-then-passed-rushed-vote.shtml [techdirt.com]

Re:First (5, Informative)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814659)

TL;DR version - CISPA is how "Total Information Awareness" [wikipedia.org] and spying on every US citizen without cause becomes legal.

What's really sad is that the current Supreme Court couldn't even be counted on to assert the 4th amendment if this got challenged in court. After all, 5 of those senile delinquents recently ruled that you can be strip-searched for jaywalking.

Re:First (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814475)

All of you "both parties are equally bad" fuckwads take a look at the D/R breakdown on this list.

All of you "Ayes" in the "Democratic" row, wtf? You should be ashamed.

Re:First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814591)

Your mother sucked my cock just now, she swallowed my load and then cleaned my asshole with her Democrat tongue. Great job, she must do it constantly to be that good.

Re:First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814661)

You probably got some of your own semen in your ass, so now you're gay. And since you're a homophobe, please hit yourself in the head with a bat.

And check yourself the mirror, because if I know Mother she probably wrote "insert caltrops here" on your asscheeks.

Re:First (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814611)

Both parties aren't equally bad, but the difference is still coke and pepsi. One group stabs you in the back, one stabs you in the front. Take your pick.

Re:First (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814245)

First. George Orwell

I think you mean 1,984th?

Re:First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814335)

No, JEWS...

Re:First (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814601)

Sounds like the NSA is right on track to get all the legal requirements ready for them before switching on their new data center out West.

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814077)

Damn.

House of Representatives (5, Funny)

game kid (805301) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814079)

House of Representatives, for peculiar values of "Representatives".

Re:House of Representatives (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814193)

You know what I'll bet he DIDN'T vote? I'll bet he didn't vote "present".

Re:House of Representatives (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814233)

Shitty software inserted above comment in wrong place. Please ignore.

Re:House of Representatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814429)

Wish I had some mod points...

Re:House of Representatives (5, Insightful)

Imrik (148191) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814477)

They are representatives, just not of the people that voted for them. They represent the people that paid for their campaigns.

No Surprise (3, Insightful)

tirefire (724526) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814093)

I'm gonna take a wild stab here and assume that Ron Paul, R-TX, voted "No" on this shitpile.

Re:No Surprise (2)

The Wild Norseman (1404891) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814167)

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, he didn't actually vote either way.

Re:No Surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814565)

That pathetic delusional insult to Libertarianism actually thinks he's running for president and needs to keep a foot in both camps... how putrildly adorable.

"Not voting" (5, Informative)

Scareduck (177470) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814175)

Roll call here [house.gov] . He was among the 15 who did not cast a vote. Thanks, Ron.

Re:"Not voting" (3, Interesting)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814257)

That's better than 248 cunts but not as good as 168 principled representatives. Just not good enough.

Re:"Not voting" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814375)

I'm more worried about the FEMA camps they're activating everywhere and the upcoming martial law at this point.

Re:"Not voting" (4, Insightful)

shiftless (410350) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814381)

[Paul] was among the 15 who did not cast a vote. Thanks, Ron.

You know, he did put out a lengthy statement Monday slamming this Act and calling a lot of negative attention to it.

What the fuck did you do for the cause of liberty today?

Re:"Not voting" (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814469)

By not voting, the estimable Ron Paul did as much as most people posting about it here on /. have done. So he has a bigger microphone, by not voting on it, he did not do his job.

Re:"Not voting" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814589)

Oh gee, maybe he didn't vote because he's RUNNING TO BE PRESIDENT. Then he can veto the hell out of it, unlike the other bought politicians.

Re:"Not voting" (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814613)

This is the first thing that crossed my mind. He presents himself as someone who is for limited government and personal freedom. In fact when important voltes like this come up, here is no where to be seen, but when there is pork to be gotten he is happily in line. He isn't first in line, but does manage to show up.

Re:No Surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814189)

Looks like he didn't vote.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml

Re:No Surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814191)

Actually, he didn't even bother to vote on it. Kucinich did vote NO, however.

Re:No Surprise (0)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814325)

Thank goodness Ron Paul is... somewhere... defending freedom. Perhaps he's busy giving directions to a bus-load of swirly-eyed supporters going to try to create the illusion of wide-spread popularity by crashing another straw poll. You know, something really important.

Re:No Surprise (1)

aheadinabox (936810) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814203)

Well, I read the link above, to the roll call of votes. Seems Paul did not vote.

Re:No Surprise (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814209)

You know what I'll bet Ron Paul DIDN'T vote? I'll bet he didn't vote "present".

Re:No Surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814281)

No, instead he didn't vote at all! Which, ironically, is the same effect as voting "present".

Re:No Surprise (1)

GoatCheez (1226876) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814227)

Surprisingly it says he didn't vote.

Re:No Surprise (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814231)

Considering he would have voted "no" on civil rights legislation as well, I don't really think his vote either way on this bill says anything good about him.

Treason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814103)

All of the people that voted for this bill need to be executed for treason.

Re:Treason (0, Troll)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814145)

Yes, executing people for treason is much, much better than our search history being given to the government.

Re:Treason (4, Insightful)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814287)

Actually, executing traitors who brazenly break their solemn oath to uphold the constitution WOULD be a positive step.

Re:Treason (4, Insightful)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814301)

Actually it is.

When you're executing someone you're only taking their life.

When you violate someone's constitutional rights, that's a crime worse than murder. It is taking away the human rights that we're all entitled to and deciding that your profits, your business, and nebulous "threats" are a reason to go through the trash and history of every single person that has never been accused of a crime.

It's better to have a bomb attack every day -- even on my house -- than to give ISPs the ability to be immune from lawsuits, to share my private data, and to allow the government to decide that you know what, warrants are a pain in the ass after all.

Those are not the actions of a democratic government, or even a republic. If they aren't ready to put the integreity of the constitution ahead of their meagre lives, then yeah, that's treason. And the US is at war. Hang 'em up in from of the Capitol as a warning to the others.

Re:Treason (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814329)

I know you're commenting with extreme sarcasm, but I do think that's actually the case. An elected official using their power in a manner designed to undermine the Constitution isn't technically treason by most definitions, but I feel it should be punished just as severely.

The Founding Fathers ... (1)

Pool_Noodle (1373373) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814121)

.. just told a Smug Orwell to shove it when he started the 'I told you so' dance

Re:The Founding Fathers ... (5, Interesting)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814425)

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

--Thomas Jefferson.

The Founding Fathers knew this would inevitably be a problem long before Orwell was born.

Re:The Founding Fathers ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814651)

It's time for our own regime change.

I hope NATO is nice enough to help or at least good enough to stay the fuck out of the way.

wtf is "internet threat information"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814135)

Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

Re:wtf is "internet threat information"? (4, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814489)

It's like smurf. It means whatever the DOJ and LEOs want/need it to mean.

What did you all expect? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814155)

The Internet empowered the "Arab Spring" revolutions world wide.

The absolute last thing The US Government wants is anything like that here. Gotta prevent it while you can.

Re:What did you all expect? (2)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814311)

That's why the rest of the world calls it "The American Fall".

(The rest of the world calls the season "Autumn.")

Really should be a penalty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814173)

For members of congress who vote in favor of unconstitutional laws.

They won't stop trying to pass shit like this until there is some kind of accountability. SOPA went down, now we get this, if this is stopped we'll just get another one, because these people have no incentive not to try again.

How the hell... (1)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814183)

did people who are willing to allow that bill on the floor let alone vote yes on it even get into office?

Re:How the hell... (2)

leftover (210560) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814511)

They did what politicians do best -- lie without remorse.

Check the party breakdowns ... (4, Informative)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814195)

... and then tell me "there's no difference" between Democrats and Republicans.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml [house.gov]

Re:Check the party breakdowns ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814273)

Considering most democrats voted no...and if this makes it to the presidents desk...what will Obama do?

Re:Check the party breakdowns ... (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814295)

Considering most democrats voted no...and if this makes it to the presidents desk...what will Obama do?

Hopefully, veto it, like he said he would. Mind you, I'm not holding my breath.

Re:Check the party breakdowns ... (1)

silky1 (1609493) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814351)

I'm no Obama fan but I would applaud him if he stood his ground here.

Re:Check the party breakdowns ... (4, Informative)

Bowling Moses (591924) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814415)

Obama has issued a veto threat [go.com] .

Re:Check the party breakdowns ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814647)

Obama promised to veto NDAA too. Later it was revealed the admin had actually insisted on the offensive provisions themselves.

Yes, I will tell you that (2, Insightful)

Scareduck (177470) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814277)

Because here is how modern American politics work: the state gets expanded at every possible opportunity. This is what the Democrats want (so long as they can get more entitlements) and what the Republicans want (so long as they can get free rein to send the military into new wars). The only question is, what gets expanded?

As I have said elsewhere, it's pretty obvious that the government plans on listening to everything going on on the Internet. This is just legal formalism.

Re:Yes, I will tell you that (5, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814365)

Jesus H. Christ. Here is a very clear-cut case, having practically nothing to do with either entitlements or war, in which a strong majority of Democrats voted against expanding the power of the state, and a strong majority of Republicans voted for it. Just out of curiosity, is there anything that could convince you that there's a meaningful difference between the parties?

Re:Check the party breakdowns ... (1)

NeverSuchBefore (2613927) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814641)

... and then tell me "there's no difference" between Democrats and Republicans.

There is no difference. Sometimes they just support/oppose different things. You're looking at a single bill and drawing a strange conclusion from it.

Democracy at its best (3, Insightful)

Spiked_Three (626260) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814221)

Whine all you want. How many sent a message to your representatives on this issue? How many will lounge at home come next election? Taking advantage of lethargy is what democracy is all about. Sit around and whine about it and do nothing .... perfect.

No (0, Offtopic)

Scareduck (177470) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814297)

This is a result of liberal insistence on a government that can give you everything you want while failing to recognize that such a government can take it all away, too.

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814409)

Fuck you, you mindless knee-jerk fascist piece of shit.

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814473)

Pot? Kettle here. You're black.

Re:No (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814521)

Yes, it's much better to vote for a government that gives us nothing but can still take everything we have.

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814573)

Go look at the vote split: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml

Then come back and admit you're an idiot.

Re:Democracy at its best (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814417)

I did, called, and used the contact forms on the site. NC 9th district, she is a republican. She still voted for it. But she is retiring after this election so she didn't care that I was not going to vote for her or the next republic nominated for the 9th.

Re:Democracy at its best (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814583)

Well, mine voted no (Sarbanes).

Vote breakdown ... but amendments? (2)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814235)

Here's how each representative voted (or not):

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h192 [govtrack.us]

But does anyone know where to find the details about what each of the various amendments was? ('amendment 10 [govtrack.us] ' isn't really all that useful)

This is constitutional. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814251)

It's the ISPs stealing your information and giving it to the government, not the government stealing it. That makes it constitutional.

Lol repuglicans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814265)

But...but...Republicans are for the rule of law and small government!! That's why they were 90% of the Yeas.

What a joke...

Called congress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814269)

I called my reps to tell them to vote no....did anyone else? Sadly they ignored me again...

Throw all the bastards out (1)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814299)

All of them.  Throw them all out.

Well all I can say is I'm happy to live in Europe (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814303)

Holy moly, the US is becoming a cesspit hour by hour.

Calm down, everyone. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814309)

This is no big deal. We didn't need the fourth amendment anyway. Since they've finally got the chutzpah to stand up to their constituents, they should get rid of that pesky freedom of speech next. Oh, and habeus corpus. I always hated that one. Then maybe they'll finally get around to doing something about ex post facto and double jeopardy.

One word... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814349)

Fascist.

That's it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814369)

I'm going to bed. Wake me when this mess is sorted.

Well.... (5, Insightful)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814377)

my long-time girlfriend and I have been debating whether to leave the country. I guess the strategy is to keep our heads down as long as possible, ignore using the internet, learn another language or two, save up as much as we can, and get the fuck out of this country.

For some reason I was really starting to think I could settle down in this country, have a family, and be productive.

Two words.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814385)

Man the US has become like Fringe's last episode, minus the observers. A brave new world.
No rights anymore. You're just a number to be used and consumed at the whim of the government and corporations.
Enjoy your land of the free, home of the brave (it sounds so last century and old style).

anybody know a decent vpn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814389)

time to start protecting myelf

So now what? (1)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814399)

When does this go into effect?

Re:So now what? (3, Informative)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814609)

When does this go into effect?

After it is passed by the Senate, and then after the President signs it. What classes do you miss in elementary school?

Lyle Myhur said it best (5, Interesting)

Tanman (90298) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814443)

"When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent. When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun. Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet."

    -- Lyle Myhur

Citizens need to learn to protect themselves (1)

Kernel Kurtz (182424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814447)

from their governments. Everywhere. They are not your friend.

Strong crypto, anonymizing proxies, onion routing....

It's not just for users in China and Iran anymore.

Time to find a foreign VPS for my openvpn server (2)

bleh-of-the-huns (17740) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814485)

I currently have a VPS that I use as a VPN server for my mobile devices and laptop when I am on travel and redirect all of my traffic through. I do this mainly to keep Verizon and ATT (specifically ATT when I tether) grubby little mitts of my data.

I think it is time to switch to a foreign VPS provider, somewhere in the EU or Asia, and reroute ALL of my traffic through there. My only issue is currently my FIOS speeds far exceed my throughput at my current VPS..

Goodby USA (2)

phiro.kiwi (2626885) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814499)

Just started the procedure to move my last two servers off US soil. No more dollars for you my friend!

I need to send your email address! (1)

cvtan (752695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814507)

Isn't this just a good excuse to send people's email addresses off to SPAM central? For a small security fee of course.

Senate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814517)

This has to go through the senate before it is a law bros. Considering that very few democrats voted for it, it may see more opposition there.

Come to Massachusetts! (1)

Nin10doman (897603) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814541)

All of the Massachusetts representatives voted "No." Join us! We're sane!

Republican Driven Legislation (5, Insightful)

tyrione (134248) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814551)

All you GOP hack lovers who espouse about their love of Privacy, Liberty, Guns, blah, blah, blah take a look at the count:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml [house.gov]

AYES: GOP 206, DEM 42
NOES: GOP 28, DEM 140
NOT VOTING: GOP 8, DEM 7

Don't tell me the GOP is for your privacy. Stew in your own bull****.

Bye bye... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814557)

...Ms American Pie.

Here comes the Snowball Effect (1)

Jetra (2622687) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814561)

Well, just need to pass SOPA/PIPA and we can say that we'll be bend over being f**ked by our own government.

You laughed when they took down Mediashare (I apologize if I got it wrong, please correct me)

You laughed when they took down that obscure website

How long will it be before you get off the computer, grab a pitchfork and some torches, and throw out our government? How much nibbling before you notice a chunk of our freedom is missing? I won't stand for this, and will elect Ron Paul for President.

Re:Here comes the Snowball Effect (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814593)

I'll do it right after you go first, Mr. Armchair General.

Re:Here comes the Snowball Effect (1)

Jetra (2622687) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814603)

I deny the position. I am a horrible leader.

US Citizenship has now been rendered meaningless (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814605)

It looks like Chris Smith voted for it. Good. I know someone who lives in his district and votes Republican and/because he owns a home and has a wife, children and pets. He came from a certain Islamic nation-state when he was an infant because his family feared a Communist takeover. Let his naturalization be in vain. Let the NSA get into his life. Let him be disappeared for attempting to assimilate because history shows that people groups of a certain militant faith can never assimilate. Meanwhile people like me who don't "get any more YANKEE WHITE" are treated with MORE suspicion by this government than the young swarthy bearded males who shun pork.

Anyone who has a pedigree that allows him/her to obtain immediate alternate citizenship should not be employed in fields involving food production, telecommunications, infrastructure, chemicals or security. Diversity is suicide.

Discriminate or Die, America!

as someone who works at a bank (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39814617)

Let me just give you a sample of the kind of data they will have access to, without a warrant, if Obama doesn't veto this.

Every transaction you have made involving a card, ever, including the date, time of day, name of the merchant, city and state of the merchant, ID number of the terminal where the card was swiped, amount of transaction, etc etc etc.

Every time you withdrew money from an ATM. it stores the amount, the location of the ATM, the time of day, etc.

The same goes for online transactions.

An image of every check you have ever written.

Every deposit slip you have used.

Every time you have talked to a teller in person, the interaction is recorded.

Every time you have called the bank on the telephone.

It is all there. Waiting for the government to use it, as it sees fit.

---

Now, link that up with records from places like Wal-Mart. They can correlate card numbers with items. They know what brand of toothpaste you buy. They know what kind of toilet paper you use. They know if you like to buy a lot of baggies (are you a drug dealer?), if you buy a lot of cold medicine (are you a meth dealer?), if you buy a lot of condoms (are you a pimp?), etc etc etc.

---

Now, link this up with projects like the CINDER (Cyber Insider Threat) ADAMS, and PRODIGAL (some of which have been program-managed by former hackers like Mudge from l0pht heavy industries). If you dig through these 'proposals', you will find academics saying things like "Maybe a target goes to lunch at a different time of day. that might indicate a threat". This is where our tax money is going. This is what is being built.

Regarding Orwell (1)

conark (871314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39814619)

it makes you wonder if Orwell was a prophet or someone attempting to describe what to do for future rulers rather than warning them.
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