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Slackware: I'm Not Dead Yet!

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the dude-it's-just-temporarily-slack dept.

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New submitter xclr8r writes "The longtime tinkering and learning distro of Linux Slackware found itself at the center of rumors and speculation when its website was down for a few days. Caitlyn Martin, developer of Linux Yarok, voiced concerns in DistroWatch and declared that she would be basing the new project off a distro with a more secure future. Meanwhile contributors continued to plug along with additions to the change log. Eventually Eric Hameleers expanded on his initial communication of 'old hardware — lack of funds' to a more thorough explanation quoted in the article. Have your pop up blocker ready."

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not until (5, Funny)

hguorbray (967940) | about 2 years ago | (#39828463)

netcraft confirms it!

-I'm just sayin'

Re:not until (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828767)

Distrowatch: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
Slashdot: Yes he is.
Slackware: I'm not.
Distrowatch: He isn't.
Slashdot: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
Slackware: I'm getting better.
Slashdot: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
Distrowatch: Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
Slackware: I don't want to go on the cart.
Slashdot: Oh, don't be such a baby.
Distrowatch: I can't take him.
Slackware: I feel fine.
Slashdot: Oh, do me a favor.

Re:not until (3, Interesting)

slackware 3.6 (2524328) | about 2 years ago | (#39829053)

Slackware will never die. I still have my Walnut Creek CD's from Slackware 3.6 the only other software I kept from that period is Win 3.11, OS/2, and a few DOS versions. But your post is funy none the less you probably are a big Slackware fan.

Re:not until (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829205)

Holy shit it's become self-aware. And mildly retarded.

Re:not until (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 2 years ago | (#39829417)

Dude, I totally have a set of those walnut creek cd's as well! Hard to believe I used to pay someone for discs back then rather than just downloading and burning like I would today. Oh, how times change.

Re:not until (5, Funny)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about 2 years ago | (#39829671)

I still have my Walnut Creek CD's from Slackware 3.6

Oh. So just those disks.

the only other software I kept from that period is Win 3.11

Of course.

, OS/2,

And that.

and a few DOS versions.

So basically you still have every bit of software you've ever owned.

Re:not until (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829591)

I wish it were that easy.

It turned me into a newt!

It hurt bad when Stampede Linux was no more. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828513)

It can hurt pretty badly when your favorite Linux distribution comes to an end. I've lived through this horrid experience once before, with Stampede Linux. We were as close as a man and Linux could get. I ran it on all of my PCs. Then one day it was no more, and I was destroyed. For several months, I had no purpose in life. But eventually the pain does go away, and I found other Linux distributions. I'm using Debian now, and while it isn't as glorious as Stampede Linux was, at least it's still Linux.

Re:It hurt bad when Stampede Linux was no more. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828577)

You had no purpose in life because you had to change operating systems? Is your life really that pathetic?

Re:It hurt bad when Stampede Linux was no more. (3, Interesting)

TWX (665546) | about 2 years ago | (#39828667)

I had never even heard of Stampede Linux when you posted this, and I've been a Linux user since 1995 when I had to buy cheap CDs from the local computer store that were distributed by Walnut Creek. It's obscure enough that Wikipedia doesn't even have a page for it.

Slackware has at least has the history to have been continually in existence since '93, almost since the beginning of Linux itself. Mind you, I and a whole bunch of other people jumped ship over the Libc5 debacle and I ended up on Debian where I've remained since. I would be saddened to see Slackware go away, but it wouldn't lead to a loss of purpose in my life.

You wouldn't happen to be Matt Wood, would you?

Re:It hurt bad when Stampede Linux was no more. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829597)

That whooshing sound was the sarcasm flying over your head.

Re:It hurt bad when Stampede Linux was no more. (0)

couchslug (175151) | about 2 years ago | (#39828795)

"I'm using Debian now, "

What happens if Ubuntu orphans Debian and you are out in the cold again? (runs)

Re:It hurt bad when Stampede Linux was no more. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828895)

Probably realize that Ubuntu can't exist without Debian and be very confused for a while.

Re:It hurt bad when Stampede Linux was no more. (1)

FrootLoops (1817694) | about 2 years ago | (#39829643)

It hurt bad when Stampede Linux was no more.

Was it like, say... getting run over by a herd of your favorite quadruped?

Correction (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828561)

The summary is, as usual, misleading. Caitlyn Martin didn't post this in a DistroWatch article, she (and some other posters) mentioned it in the comments section of that website. She also didn't say she was moving the derived distro to a new base, she said she and the rest of the development team would be voting on the issue as to whether to move to a different base.

Honestly, how bad does a person's comprehension skills have to be to submit this kind of summary?

Re:Correction (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828603)

yeah, slackware might not be dead, but slashdot sure as fuck is

Re:Correction (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828975)

Honestly, how bad does a person's comprehension skills have to be to submit this kind of summary?

Of the three Cabinet agencies I wish to eliminate the worst is the Social Security Agency because four of its letters are the same as the Waffen-SS and its goal of eugenics by elimination of the elderly.

Re:Correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829369)

I'm probably of questionable sanity myself to answer that but don't you think similarity in letters are prone to occur since there just around ~25 letters in the alphabet?

Also, eugenics it's about controlling who can reproduce or even fetuses... the elderly definitely are out of the eugenics subject IMHO...

Re:Correction (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829427)

there just around ~25 letters in the alphabet?

You must be a physicist.

Re:Correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829001)

Um... as bad as a /. editor's?

Re:Correction (2)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 2 years ago | (#39829445)

The summary is, as usual, misleading. Caitlyn Martin didn't post this in a DistroWatch article, she (and some other posters) mentioned it in the comments section of that website. She also didn't say she was moving the derived distro to a new base, she said she and the rest of the development team would be voting on the issue as to whether to move to a different base.

Honestly, how bad does a person's comprehension skills have to be to submit this kind of summary?

I think it's more likely sensationalism rather than poor comprehension. I don't think there are any "news" sources that don't participate in sensationalism these days. Slashdot has the misfortune of having a reader base that is likely to notice.

Re:Correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829617)

Slashdot has the misfortune of having a reader base that is likely to notice.

Yeah, /. readership is right up there with Yahoo! News when it comes to intelligence.

Year of the Linux Deadtop (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828585)

RIP Linux - we're all using Macs now.

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (5, Insightful)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 2 years ago | (#39829015)

and where are all of the mac servers?

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829087)

Up Steve Jobs' rotting asshole.

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | about 2 years ago | (#39829415)

and where are all of the mac servers?

They're serving 'Cat' his dinner...

'Fish'
'Today's fish is trout a la creme. Enjoy your meal.'
'Fish'
'Today's fish is trout a la creme. Enjoy your meal.'
'Fish!'
'Today's fish is trout a la creme. Enjoy your meal.'

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (1)

Calos (2281322) | about 2 years ago | (#39829495)

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say about Macs and/or servers, but I can appreciate an obscure Red Dwarf reference all the same. Kudos for that, now I have the urge to go watch it.

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (2)

migla (1099771) | about 2 years ago | (#39829551)

To be pedantic, though...

As Red Dwarf references go, that one is not so obscure. Or maybe you meant read Dwarf was obscure itself.

Anyway. Anyone not familiar with Red Dward should make sure to google red dwarf torrent. It's the greatest thing since sliced monty python.

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (0)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 2 years ago | (#39829645)

Anyway. Anyone not familiar with Red Dward should make sure to google red dwarf torrent. It's the greatest thing since sliced monty python.

And yet it's apparently not great enough for you to be willing to financially support its creators or actors.

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829725)

For ever and ever and ever, for a single piece of work. Yeah, that makes sense. About as much sense as paying your plumber every time you flush.

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (2)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 2 years ago | (#39829467)

and where are all of the mac servers?

I actually had an apple rep suggest we install mac mini's as servers in a datacenter to support our apple footprint! Apple is clearly not even remotely interested in corporate users.

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (-1, Troll)

Iron Condor (964856) | about 2 years ago | (#39829509)

MacOS *is* Linux. Debian, to be precise.

Next time you have an xterm open on your mac, type "uname -a".

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (2)

wmbetts (1306001) | about 2 years ago | (#39829559)

Darwin iMac.local 11.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 11.3.0: Thu Jan 12 18:47:41 PST 2012; root:xnu-1699.24.23~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64

Not sure which part says it's Debian. I have a feeling I got trolled.

Re:Year of the Linux Deadtop (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829599)

You were given a cock in the ass, and you liked it so much you paid for more. Now you wake up a night, sweating, thinking about man balls slapping you boy balls. /True Story

Debian (5, Interesting)

Svartormr (692822) | about 2 years ago | (#39828615)

If you want a reliable distro that will survive every other distro, you go with Debian. The developers fight like cats and dogs and it just keeps going on, getting better and better.

Re:Debian (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828743)

There must be some level of agreement given that the Project Lead (Stefano Zachiroli) was just re-elected to his third term in a row.

Debian forever!

Re:Debian (3, Informative)

wmbetts (1306001) | about 2 years ago | (#39828811)

If you think Slackware is going away anytime soon I have a bridge to sell you.

Re:Debian (4, Insightful)

FudRucker (866063) | about 2 years ago | (#39828889)

I think if something happened to Pat V. where he could no longer continue with Slackware, Robby Workman and Eric Hameleers and a few others will pick up the slack (pun intended)

Re:Debian (2)

wmbetts (1306001) | about 2 years ago | (#39828909)

I agree development would continue and life would go. It just wouldn't be the same with out Pat though.

Re:Debian (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829133)

I hope it is in Brooklyn. I've wanted one there ever since I bought my Siltech Emperor Crown speaker cables.

Re:Debian (2)

101percent (589072) | about 2 years ago | (#39829017)

The parent has no relevance to this article. What does debian's survivability have anything to do with slackware's webserver going down and a new project based on slackware (of which there are many). Besides, slackware has been around as long as Debian. Ian Murdoc tried to recruit Patrick Volkerding for the Debian project at its beginning, but Pat respectfully declined and went ahead with Slackware. I'll give you Debian's survivability, but Slackware is just as old with far less resources than Debian. To use seniority as leverage to dismiss slackware shows you know nothing. This is the wrong way to promote Debian, which is a wonderful project which proves itself without such tactics. Since you don't mention any of these features, you again prove you know nothing.

Re:Debian (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829273)

What does debian's survivability have anything to do with slackware's webserver going down

Everything if Slackware's webserver is running Debian.

Re:Debian (1)

GaryOlson (737642) | about 2 years ago | (#39829303)

Sure, but who really wants to deal with the fleas you'll catch? I don't think they make a collar strong enough to repel Debian developers.

Re:Debian (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829505)

Debian is especially good if you are a historian and want to know what open source computing was like five years ago...

What happened to Patty boy? (0)

oldhack (1037484) | about 2 years ago | (#39828735)

I know he got sick years back, but ... is the dude ok?

Re:What happened to Patty boy? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828825)

Although there is a recurring theme of "What would happen if Patrick Volkerding got hit by a bus?" in alt.os.linux.slackware [os.linux.slackware], AFAIK he recovered a looooong time ago. It was one of those oddball ailments you only get from, like, kissing double-agents on the lips or something. They gave him an antidote almost immediately, but it I suspect they didn't pay him to shut up, so tossing him a bit of coin [slackware.com] couldn't hurt.

Re:What happened to Patty boy? (0)

wmbetts (1306001) | about 2 years ago | (#39828833)

He's fine now and has been for a while. He got sick because of poor oral hygiene.

Re:What happened to Patty boy? (1, Funny)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 2 years ago | (#39829483)

He's fine now and has been for a while. He got sick because of poor oral hygiene.

That must have been one nasty set of chompers. I've known people who brushed.. maybe monthly, but it was nowhere near enough to actually get them sick.

Re:What happened to Patty boy? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829605)

I never brush. No biggie. It only starts bleeding if I do.

Once I went without showering for 3 months. I think the skin has odor control built in. People who shower often, like just about every normal person, start smelling bad after a day or three without a shower, but just hang in there and don't cave for these "shower" modernities.

Google is not my friend today... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828827)

Can someone please tell me what Linux Yarok is?

Re:Google is not my friend today... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829027)

Some oddball internal thing written for consulting clients.... of some kind. She claimed that there'd be a public alpha of the thing in 2010 (called Yarok Bereshit, no kidding... [distrowatch.com]). Either based on Salix or Slackware, although they [five people in total apparently with two developers total] did a bit of custom code. As of this spring it was still planned to produce a 'public release alpha at the end of this month.' Funny that someone who claims that any business without a website is doomed turns out to be developing a distro that either doesn't have a website or is so badly advertised that Google plain can't find it. End of the day, I have to agree with the shampoo AC below: who cares?

what the hell is yarok? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39828855)

Googled it, you get shampoo. Who cares about some developer for some project nobodys ever heard of?

Re:what the hell is yarok? (2)

larry bagina (561269) | about 2 years ago | (#39828933)

what the hell is shampoo?

Re:what the hell is yarok? (2)

ClickOnThis (137803) | about 2 years ago | (#39829025)

what the hell is shampoo?

It's an emacs command: ESC-x shampoo (ESC-2 ESC-x shampoo to lather, rinse and repeat.)

Re:what the hell is yarok? (4, Funny)

ClickOnThis (137803) | about 2 years ago | (#39829609)

what the hell is shampoo?

It's an emacs command: ESC-x shampoo (ESC-2 ESC-x shampoo to lather, rinse and repeat.)

Oh geez ... I was joking. Now I find out that it actually is an emacs command. Dammit, emacs. [xkcd.com]

I invoke the *Not Dead Yet* clause all the time (1, Funny)

Trikenstein (571493) | about 2 years ago | (#39828903)

but I use it for leering at much younger women
(sometimes I even flirt)

Still end up with a bent nose sometimes tho

and every once and awhile I get that moment where you yell *Wee-Haa There's a naked woman in my bed*

We're not dead, but an old server is. (5, Informative)

volkerdi (9854) | about 2 years ago | (#39828905)

Good hello folks! It's wonderful to see we've made it onto Slashdot in-between releases again!

However, our website hardware is nearly toast, and is also co-located a long way away from where I live. It is an ancient VIA based system with a Celeron and 512MB of RAM. It also sports a Maxtor hard drive connected to a Promise Technology PCI IDE card, and LILO boots from a 3.5" floppy drive. Frankly, this wasn't really great hardware even when it was brand new, but it ran our site and mailing lists with excellent uptimes for over a decade in spite of that. It looks like the trouble could be a flaking Tulip based Ethernet card (getting DUP and dropped packets, and RX/TX errors). It was doing OK again after a reboot, but I'm having some trouble reaching it again for some reason.

We're looking for a new place to put the main site. Perhaps it could move to our other server, connie.slackware.com (in which case we need a PHP guru to port it to the latest version). There are other Slackware related servers that might be able to host us as well. To be honest, connie is also getting a little long in the tooth (that's a Pentium III with 256MB of RAM).

RIP bob.slackware.com, and long live Slackware!

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (1)

oldhack (1037484) | about 2 years ago | (#39828949)

Yo man, are you the deadhead I'm thinking you're supposed to be?

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (3, Funny)

volkerdi (9854) | about 2 years ago | (#39828993)

Yo man, are you the deadhead I'm thinking you're supposed to be?

My name is August West.

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829035)

With a Slashdot ID that low it might really be Adam West!

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (3, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | about 2 years ago | (#39829359)

With a Slashdot ID that low it might really be Adam West!

Don't believe him; he's a liar.

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829047)

considering you can get a linux VPS anywhere from $5 USD to $20 USD a month, especially since the ISOs are torrent only, your ramblings are ignorant and telltale of the system in front of you.

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (2)

101percent (589072) | about 2 years ago | (#39829145)

First understand this: Slackware is Patrick's bread-and-butter. Granted I'm not too sharp on network management etc... but perhaps he wants his server to be within his control and not floating around in some nebulous cloud. He's been a dedicated GNU/Linux community member/leader for decades, so you should stop being such an ass and realize that as you get older you stick to the things you know; brick-and-mortar real servers which you have control over, the way it has been done for decades. He's not trying to build an empire; from the interviews I've read/heard he's just a down-to-earth guy that likes plays music and lives simply. Why would he try to expand, especially if it means giving up (albiet not too much) control over what provides his income. What's next, Steven King writing/storing his next novel on Google Documents?

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#39829161)

Erm, why are you assuming VPS means cloud?

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (3, Funny)

metrix007 (200091) | about 2 years ago | (#39829537)

Because cloud is a meaningless buzzword which means "computer on the internet".

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (1)

metrix007 (200091) | about 2 years ago | (#39829543)

Because "cloud" is a meaningless buzzword which means "computer on the internet"

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (3, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#39829111)

Wow, do you need us to take up a collection to buy new hardware? Is there somewhere we can go to donate?

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (3, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#39829177)

Indeed, I've got a nice server sitting here in my apartment collecting dust, since I stopped working at the datacenter. (by nice I mean quad core 2.8 with 4gb of ram).

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829115)

Hi Pat. Great to see you here! ;)

You could really put a link on the slack website, where people could go and donate some hardware.
I can donate even a nice laptop bought off of ebay better that these specs to Slackware.

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829173)

There is a link to donate [slackware.com] (left side -DONATE-). Why not just send the cash, and let him determine the hardware?

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829255)

There is a link to donate [slackware.com] (left side -DONATE-). Why not just send the cash, and let him determine the hardware?

So that he would not choose a Celeron or some bullshit hardware again.

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829477)

Uh huh. Force the distro's manager to use the hardware you want him to use. Get off the painkillers.

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (1)

Amouth (879122) | about 2 years ago | (#39829165)

If you would like a donation of more modern hardware just say so - i have several boxes with far better specs that are decommissioned that i don't have a need for.

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#39829293)

We're looking for a new place to put the main site. Perhaps it could move to our other server, connie.slackware.com (in which case we need a PHP guru to port it to the latest version).

Your site is nothing but TABLES! Maybe intead of porting it, you should use one of many many Open Source (TM) CMS that use more modern web standards...

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829663)

If it works, is easy to maintain, is understandable with little effort, consumes few resources, why care about those bloated content management systems?

Re:We're not dead, but an old server is. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829419)

Instead of paying to colo two really, really shitty 'servers', why don't you just get a small linode vps? Worry about the distro instead of wasting time fighting with a $3 eth card.

That might not help Slackware (2)

helvstrom (2627601) | about 2 years ago | (#39828961)

That kind of outage doesn't really help Slackware. I've used Slackware since 1992 or 1993, I believe, and I would not change to any other distribution, but it is quite scary when you have a lot of work on top of a distribution that has its website off-line for that long. You simply start thinking if it won't last much more, and many people might start migrating to more popular distros. Anyway, the best way to avoid that is to support it, subscribing to it, or buying some stuff from the store. I won't hurt.

Re:That might not help Slackware (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829049)

... but it is quite scary when you have a lot of work on top of a distribution that has its website off-line for that long...

No it isn't. There is nothing scary about it. Zip. Nada. I heard about it, shrugged my shoulders, and wondered what happened, carried on with my own systems. Sounds like there was some intermittent hardware failure, and now it's fixed. Pretty not-scary if you ask me. Pretty fucking routine. Sissy-boy.

Slackware is... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829005)

...deader than a Chinese fetus cut from its mother's womb and skewered on a Jap bayonet.

"Developer" of Yarok (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829011)

Considering a Google search for Linux Yarok more or less only returns hits for her and not the project, I call bluff, hype or a new KDE/Gnome skin. All three are ofc much needed.

Slashdot Store URL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829095)

is http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store

What would your alternative have been? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829109)

Although I hope to keep my Slackware box running for the foreseeable future, I do wonder what other distributions people would consider if Slackware became unmaintained.

So, Slackware appreciation thread? Why do you use Slackware, what other distros have you considered, and why don't they quite cut it?

I think for my home PC, I'd consider Arch Linux. Like Slackware, it keeps its packages reasonably vanilla, and has a transparent configuration system. On the other hand, I think it's far too unstable for servers that do important work.

For servers I'm already mostly using Debian... It's a good distro, but I'm assuming that people with Slackware configurations have some special requirements that it doesn't meet?

Re:What would your alternative have been? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829553)

If you found Slack to be, "...far too unstable for servers..." it's pretty clear that it's not the hardware, it's not Slackware, it's the person.

Travel Destinations (-1, Offtopic)

geo26r (2627625) | about 2 years ago | (#39829191)

It’s nice to take a vacation once in a while because this gives you physical and mental refreshment. I can still remember my unforgettable experience when I was in Bantayan Island [bantayan-island.net]. The place was indescribable. The surroundings were rare, pleasant to your soul.

Slackware User (2)

apharmdq (219181) | about 2 years ago | (#39829339)

I'm a relatively new Slackware user, having only been using it for the past 2 years, but I can't think of another distro I'd rather use. So I'd be devastated if Slackware did die.
However, I knew from the start that this was just people overreacting. Eric regularly posts updates on his blog, and although the changelog and updates in -current aren't as frequent as some other distros, they are there.
I'll definitely be getting a subscription as soon as the next release comes.

firmware rootkits: we're everywhere! muhahahaha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829437)

Network Cards & PCI Cards Firmware: No protection or detection of rootkits / malware, & AMD CPU issue

# Designing and implementing malicious hardware

"Hidden malicious circuits provide an attacker with a stealthy attack vector. As they occupy a layer below the entire software stack, malicious circuits can bypass traditional defensive techniques. Yet current work on trojan circuits considers only simple attacks against the hardware itself, and straightforward defenses. More complex designs that attack the software are unexplored, as are the countermeasures an attacker may take to bypass proposed defenses.

We present the design and implementation of Illinois Malicious Processors (IMPs). There is a substantial design space in malicious circuitry; we show that an attacker, rather than designing one speciïc attack, can instead design hardware to support attacks. Such flexible hardware allows powerful, general purpose attacks, while remaining surprisingly low in the amount of additional hardware. We show two such hardware designs, and implement them in a real system. Further, we show three powerful attacks using this hardware, including a login backdoor that gives an attacker complete and highlevel access to the machine. This login attack requires only 1341 additional gates: gates that can be used for other attacks as well. Malicious processors are more practical, more ïexible, and harder to detect than an initial analysis would suggest."

https://db.usenix.org/event/leet08/tech/full_papers/king/king_html/ [usenix.org]

# Attacking network cards

"I've reached my goal of writing a totally transparent firewall bypass engine for those firewalls which are PC-based: you simply overwrite the firmware in both NICs and then perform PCI-to-PCI transfers between the two cards for suitably formatted IP packets (modern NICs have IP "offload engines" in hardware and therefore can trigger on incoming and outgoing packets). The resulting "Jedi Packet Trick" (sorry, couldn't resist) fools, amongst others, CheckPoint FW-1, Linux-based Strongwall, etc. This is of course obvious as none of them check PCI-to-PCI transfers. "

https://lwn.net/Articles/284162/ [lwn.net]
http://www.links.org/?p=330 [links.org]

# 'Super-secret' debugger discovered in AMD CPUs
# Password-protected feature goes beyond x86

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/15/amd_secret_debugger/ [theregister.co.uk]

# Super-secret debug capabilities of AMD processors !

http://www.woodmann.com/collaborative/knowledge/index.php/Super-secret_debug_capabilities_of_AMD_processors_ [woodmann.com]!

# Hidden Debug Mode Found In AMD Processors

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/11/12/047243/Hidden-Debug-Mode-Found-In-AMD-Processors [slashdot.org]

# A microcode reliability update is available that improves the reliability of systems that use Intel processors

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936357 [microsoft.com]

# Google: attacking network cards malware, PCI rootkit, PCI rootkits, rootkit firmware, etc.

Too lazy (1)

migla (1099771) | about 2 years ago | (#39829463)

Too lazy (or whateve - I don't actually believe people are lazy as much as I think they feel more or less angst about doing things) to ... now I forget what I was too lazy for. Anyway.

Isn't this old news? Didn't I hear German Mc Schnizel rant about this issue a week or more ago and wasn't he saying that it's just a website that is down due to not having funding for the website or whatever, while ftp servers and things were chugging along as they always had been?

So no need to panic. Slackware is slackware and don't need no stinking websites, but could possibly use some donations for renting a webserver for people who like that kind of thing to look at.

Origin of name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#39829479)

a) "Cut me a little bit of Slack" ware

b) "Our developers are known for their propensity to Slack" ware

c) "If you don't want to pay Red Hat support prices you can always download some old Slack" ware

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