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Mistreated Foxconn Brazil Workers Threaten Strike

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the common-theme dept.

Apple 201

An anonymous reader writes "More bad news comes from Apple's iDevice manufacturing partner Foxconn that is sure to ruffle the feathers of Apple fans. From the story: 'Factory workers at a Foxconn plant in Jundiaí, Brazil are complaining of overcrowded buses, poor food and a lack of water and have threatened to strike unless the issues are resolved by May 3. According to a report by Brazil's Tech Guru (Google Translation), over 2,500 Foxconn employees have complained about conditions at the factory. Workers reportedly met last Monday to raise the concerns and have given the company 10 days to address them.'"

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201 comments

Whay would Marx say? (5, Funny)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837593)

Workers of the world unite! The only thing you have to lose are your iPads!

Re:Whay would Marx say? (5, Insightful)

kyrio (1091003) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837789)

The striking employees won't be losing any iProducts. They can't afford them in the first place.

Re:Whay would Marx say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838043)

And Americans think iCrap is expensive, it costs 3x more in Brazil, if not more.

Re:Whay would Marx say? (-1, Flamebait)

Soilworker (795251) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838375)

Wow seriously ? Since most apple fag buy them because they are expensive they should buy them directly there...

"MAN, I paid my phone way more than you did, therefore its an even better product"

Re:Whay would Marx say? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837885)

More bad news comes from Apple's iDevice manufacturing partner Foxconn that is sure to ruffle the feathers of Apple fans.

Pffft. Yeah. Right. If the news from China wasn't enough to make the iFruits value human life over their precious, precious underpowered shinies, this sure as hell won't.

Re:Whay would Marx say? (0)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838097)

Yeah, that or Apple's 20 billion dollars they have sitting around with nothing to do with. Seriously, with the monetary exchange rate, they could probably buy each worker a house and a butler let alone some food and more transportation.

Ummm (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837599)

This plant has nothing to do with Apple. They make XBoxes.

Re:Ummm (1)

Tangential (266113) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837727)

It does seem like the Slashdot headline should be "Xbox workers on strike".

Re:Ummm (4, Insightful)

Patch86 (1465427) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837821)

To be fair to TFS (and we might as well do, for a change of pace) it doesn't say that they do manufacture Apple products. It says that it's "Foxconn Brazil workers" (which they are), and it says that Foxconn are Apple's manufacturing partner (which they are).

And Apple aren't completely off the hook even if these workers aren't working on their products- Foxconn have fast acquired a terrible reputation for mistreating workers, and companies are responsible for the companies they partner with. Just to straw-man it up a notch- if a company were killing orphans to make dogfood, it wouldn't be acceptable to buy beef mince from them; the defence "I'm not buying their murderous products so it's not my problem" doesn't really hold much weight.

Still, it's interesting to know that they make Xboxes. No company should be involved in mistreating workers, and knowing the perpetrators is a good thing.

Apple unwilling to insulate itself from bad press (4, Insightful)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837915)

If Apple wants to insulate itself from bad press related to the employment practices of its contract manufacturers, it could buy its own factories and employ the workers who make its products.

There are contract manufacturers, totally capable of meeting their manufacturing requirements, that Apple could afford to buy if they wanted to. Or they could just buy the few factories that they would need.

When they choose to do business with sweatshops to build their products, they are essentially telling us they don't care enough to dirty their hands with that manufacturing business. They don't want to think about the labor relations aspects. They just don't care that much.

Same goes for Microshaft (whose products these particular workers actually make) and all the other big companies that use contract manufacturers instead of employing their own labor force. Little companies can legitimately say that they can't afford the investment in manufacturing capacity necessary to make their products efficiently. That's just not the case when you're making a big-ticket item that you sell by the millions.

Re:Apple unwilling to insulate itself from bad pre (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838167)

> are complaining of overcrowded buses, poor food and a lack of water

I wonder what is the situation with overcrowding buses, poor food, and lack of water before they got the Foxconn job.

The proper comparison isn't vs. some advanced country at the behest of agitators, but what went before the business got there.

Re:Ummm (4, Informative)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838153)

I dislike Apple, quite a lot, but you have to be fair, Foxconn is an independent company, and certainly more closely associated with Intel than with Apple. It was Intel's huge contracts that made them as big as they are, and enabled them to get to other customers such as Apple.

Regardless, It's an industry wide issue. In order to compete in the real world, you have to manufacture in China, It's not just Apple doing it:

Here are more Foxconn customers:

        Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[36]
        Amazon.com (United States)[37]
        Apple Inc. (United States)[38]
        Cisco (United States)[39]
        Dell (United States)[40]
        Hewlett-Packard (United States)[41]
        Intel (United States)[42]
        Microsoft (United States)[43]
        Motorola Mobility (United States)[40]
        Nintendo (Japan)[44]
        Nokia (Finland)[38]
        Samsung Electronics (South Korea)[45]
        Sony (Japan)[46]
        Toshiba (Japan) [47]
        Vizio (United States)[48]

Truth is Foxconn manufactures reasonably good quality products (certainly way above average for China) and they do so incredibly cheap. That changed the industry, and it will continue to attract huge companies.

We are all responsible: The Chinese government is the main abuser of its citizens, and wants a bigger industry, so they'll allow Foxconn to do anything they want. Most corporations are big amoral entities, and so are most governments (I don't mean this as an insult, I'm not saying they are evil or good, I'm saying they are neutral, they'll do what it takes to bring in profit, regardless of the implications). The other involved party, and the only ethical one, are the customers, the general public, and they completely lack morals too. Most members of the general public, as well as most employees at any of this huge corporations, and most functionaries in any government are ethical human beings, capable of feeling empathy and understanding right from wrong. But as a whole, as entities, they behave according to a completely different set of rules, and ethics and empathy aren't in their instruction set. So it's up to the individual to change this situation.

If you are really pissed about it, stop working for them, stop voting for them, and stop buying from them. Complaining about it on the internet or pretending that any of this institutions, customers included, act as a whole will get you nowhere.

Xbox wokers on X? (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837863)

After all, in bowling X designates a strike. I wonder if we could come up with a headline that is a palindrome?

On a more serious note, I think we are going to see these types of stories a lot. Lesser developed country turns into an industrial country via low pages wages. As economy grows, workers strike for a higher wage / bigger piece of the pie.

   

Re:Ummm (5, Insightful)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837865)

Mentioning Apple gets the page hits.

New media is a giant vacuous whore like old media,

Translation (-1, Flamebait)

JamesP (688957) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837605)

Someone is wanting more bribes

Actual work conditions are irrelevant, as long as union leadership is compensated accordingly

Re:Translation (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837641)

Someone is wanting more bribes

Actual work conditions are irrelevant, as long as union leadership is compensated accordingly

That might be part of it, but labor laws in Brazil are much more strict than in most other places in the world. It is pretty common to hear people, especially in blue-collar jobs, to publicly complain about working conditions to pressure the companies to follow the law.

The working conditions there are certainly not even close to what you would see in China, but that doesn't mean this is just about bribery.

Re:Translation (-1, Troll)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837683)

+1 this. I've lived long enough to realize that union strikes have usually little to do with the interests of the actual workers.

Re:Translation (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837719)

-1, only in America are unions hated so much. You'll never see positive union viewpoints on the news without them being portrayed as combative.

Re:Translation (-1, Troll)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837761)

-1, only in America are unions hated so much. You'll never see positive union viewpoints on the news without them being portrayed as combative.

And with good reason...

Re:Translation (3, Informative)

srh2o (442608) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837841)

And still you offer none...

Re:Translation (-1, Troll)

hendridm (302246) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837883)

They raise the price of doing business, which increases costs for consumers and forces businesses to move offshore. They're corrupt and only look out for the interests of the union heads and not the workers. In most places you can't opt out of union membership and are automatically deducted dues. Unions in the public sector extort taxpayers by threatening to withhold vital services...

Re:Translation (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838121)

I'll work backwards. The last is not true, since that would generally be criminal. The next to last is also false, you don't have to join the union in most places, unlike your claim, but the union IS required to represent you, which is why deductions for that effort is made. Your second comment is an allegation without substance, and even if true, don't corporate executives look out for their interests and not the workers or customers. And for the first, doing things right is often expensive, where does that justify seeking places where you can abuse your workers? Maybe you think cheaper is better for you, but that's not necessarily better for others.

Do you not even care about that?

Re:Translation (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838189)

Oh, bullshit. We pay just the same price as we did for our consumer goods, the only difference is, with the full-scale assault on unions that started in the 80's, and rampant inflation, the purchasing power of the average American worker has stagnated for 30 years. Business aren't "forced" to do anything, they make a conscious decision to move operations overseas because it increases their bottom line. Those savings weren't passed along to consumers, they were passed along to CEO's, which is why today they make orders of magnitude more a year than they did back in those days. The "trickle down" bullshit is a myth, because the wealth never fucking trickles down. A billionaire getting another billion a year isn't going to do shit for the economy at all, but 100,000 people with an extra $10,000 a year in their pocket sure as fuck will.

It always cracks me up when people throw up union corruption but never fucking acknowledge the antisocial and outright damaging antics of the greed of these fucking asshole "job creators" on the other side of the coin. Terrorists, gangs, welfare queens...none of them are nearly as damaging to our economy as these goddamn parasites we call "corporations" that use every legal mechanism at their disposal (as well as some illegal ones) to avoid paying one single penny in taxes despite the fact that billions are pouring into their coffers every year. A single mother that loses her job is a parasite when she's reduced to applying for food stamps, but corporations sucking in billions in subsidies and tax breaks, while at the same time earning billions a year in profit, they're what? Something to celebrate? Fine, upstanding members of the community? Give me a fucking break.

Re:Translation (1)

sir-gold (949031) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838327)

It's even worse when cities and states compete for new businesses to moved to their city/state, the end result is almost always a 5-10 year break on ALL taxes (sales tax, property tax, etc) for that company. To see the damage this causes on a larger scale, just look at Ireland, for many years they had a ridiculously low (if not non-existent) corporate tax in order to attract foreign businesses, and now the government is so broke they have to cut back on ALL government services (much like the rest of the EU)

No matter what you do to a company, the extra savings will always be passed to the executives, and the extra costs will always be passed to the customers/empoyees/taxpayers. Publicize the losses and privatize the profits is the new corporate motto

Re:Translation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837903)

If you cared, you'd look it up yourself, you lazy sack of geek shit.

But, yeah, keep blindly supporting corrupt unions run by sociopaths in the name of your precious bugfuck ideology, you mindless, impotent, useless, scumbag, zero intellect drone.

Re:Translation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837913)

I take it you don't know of the relationship between the Teamsters, AFL-CIO, and organized crime? Has anyone found Jimmy Hoffa yet?

Re:Translation (0)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837931)

And still you offer none...

There [wikipedia.org] are [bbc.co.uk] plenty [wikipedia.org] of [nlpc.org] examples [argentinaindependent.com] to [wordpress.com] be [riotimesonline.com] found [harrowtimes.co.uk] ...

Re:Translation (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837873)

Yup, nowhere except America manages to so completely miss the point of unions. In most of the world, unions work like this:

A group of people are elected to represent the workers. If there are unreconcilable difference of opinion between groups of workers, then you get two or more unions. Each can negotiate with the employers on behalf of their members, and can pretty much guarantee that the deal that they reach will be agreed to by most of their members because they actually represent their members. If you disagree with all of the unions, you are not forced to join any of them. Any deal negotiated by the unions is open to all workers, irrespective of union membership.

Meanwhile, in the USA, they work like this:

To get the job, you must be a member of the union. If you are not, then you must join immediately. There is only one union that represents people in your position. Only employees can be union officials, and anyone who gets elected without being open to bribes finds that they no longer have a job and must therefore resign. You must accept the deal negotiated between the company and their, sorry, your representative or you lose your job.

Re:Translation (3, Interesting)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837953)

To get the job, you must be a member of the union. If you are not, then you must join immediately. There is only one union that represents people in your position. Only employees can be union officials, and anyone who gets elected without being open to bribes finds that they no longer have a job and must therefore resign. You must accept the deal negotiated between the company and their, sorry, your representative or you lose your job.

You'd be surprised. I've traveled a lot lately, and i find it to work this way in most of the world. As a closer example: i live in Argentina. Joining an union is a de facto requirement in order to get a job on several industries (transport, particularly trucking, metal, food... even general commerce).

Re:Translation (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838291)

Well done! You have internalized the value systems of your ruthless corporate masters even though you will never see any benefits from it. Doubleplusgood.

Re:Translation (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837945)

but I bet you never worked in a union shop or one that was trying to organize.

I think you've just lived long enough to hear a few stories thirdhand and think you now know God's truth.

Re:Translation (1, Troll)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838017)

I did actually - union shops are as illegal in Argentina as they are in the rest of the world, yet good luck trying to get a job without an union membership in a lot of industries. In most cases (transport), you'll only get one union to choose from.

Hope that gives you a little insight on me instead of all that betting and guessing.

Re:Translation (2)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837721)

Possibly.

But once upon a time, the unions were about bettering things for their members.

It's just possible that in Brazil, unions are still at that point.

Re:Translation (2)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837799)

US union laws != Brazilian union laws.
As I understand it, the US is pretty much the only country with corrupt unions. At the very least union corruptions seems much lower in most first world country.

Re:Translation (4, Informative)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837959)

Unions aren't even that corrupt in the US. Cases of corruption are just highly publicized by those who have an interest in seeing unions outlawed / declawed.

Re:Translation (4, Insightful)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838255)

Fuckin' A right.

Imagine if they publicized the underhanded shit done by the banks/corporate America with as much diligence. Hell, imagine if American citizens had to work a few months in one of those Foxconn factories...how long would it be before this whole "oh, those poor, poor multibillion dollar corporations that are making more money than they ever have in history are forced to employ slave labor on the other side of the world" nonsense went out the fucking window?

Half the people in this country still believe they're going to be part of that club of the super wealthy one day, and until that changes, we're going to continue being ruled by the real parasites on society, limited liability corporations.

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838369)

or those of us that have ever tried to have anything built

BULLSHIT (0)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837937)

And you know this because you have seen working conditions in this particular plant?

Re:Translation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838061)

complaining of overcrowded buses, poor food and a lack of water

Somebody need to tell these fuckin ingrates to shut the fuck up.
The average Brazilian can't afford to ride a bus, panhandles for food, and have no access to clean water.

Re:Translation (2)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838115)

And how is shutting the fuck up going to improve conditions?

Re:Translation (1)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838289)

Whee, let's just race all the way to the fucking bottom! "What gives you the right to complain about your gruel, serf?!? There are people in Africa that don't even have gruel to eat! We'll show you, we'll just move our factory there instead!!"

I suppose we should just be grateful these companies allow us to draw breath at all.

Brazil workers have more rights then ones in China (4, Insightful)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837609)

Brazil workers have more rights then ones in China.

They even got mcdonalds sued and won the case over them offering only a limited free lunch menu.

Brazil has a government-backed program requiring certain classes of employers to provide meal and grocery vouchers to low-income employees. It is not uncommon for employment benefits in developing countries to include things such as meal vouchers or housing supports that are normally not part of benefits packages in more developed countries.
and only offering a limited menu does not fit the rules.

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (5, Interesting)

TWX (665546) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837701)

This is the kind of thing that I think needs to make the news, the differences between workers' rights in different countries, especially as there are more pushes to reduce workers' rights in the United States. I'm gathering that Brazil is one nation that has gone through a similar process that the US has, with a labor movement that secured legal rights for workers. Obviously China is still figuring that out, and I am not surprised when Chinese companies run afoul of labor laws in other countries when they take production overseas, as they've never been forced to reform at home like these other countries require.

The more reforms China forces on their companies the more expensive those goods become, and the less desirable it is to send manufacturing there. It's a race to the bottom only retarded by workers everywhere forcing conditions to change.

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (4, Interesting)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837835)

This is the kind of thing that I think needs to make the news, the differences between workers' rights in different countries

I will go first. Belgium (Minimal rights for an office employee):
20+ days payed holidays (I have 35)
Medical benefits
Social security in case of unemployment
38 working hours per week
Choice of at least 3 unions (Although this is not a must and nobody will ask)
Reasonable privacy laws (e.g. No camera pointed to working people)
No firering when you told you are pregnant
No cubicles, but rather human interaction
Several laws that will favor the employee
Reduction on transportation (often 100% on public transportation)
Food checks (Often, not always. Between 5 and 7 EUR per working day)
Best beer in the world (OK, not work related, but still: this is Belgium.)

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837949)

Out of curiosity do you have paid government mandated holidays on top of the 20?

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837989)

A lot of the things you list are not provided by the employer, but the government.

And no cubicles? I worked in a place like that, and it sucked due to lack of privacy! Couldn't even sneak a peak at /. without everyone seeing.

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (1)

sir-gold (949031) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838371)

If the government taxes the corporations to afford these worker benefits, then they are really being provided by the corporations (against their greedy will)

Also, passing laws to enforce privacy and non-discrimination, limiting work weeks, and mandating payed holidays doesn't cost the government anything at all. It just pisses off the corporations (who also happen to OWN the government in the US, which is why those same laws don't get passed here)

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837991)

How long do you think Belgium (and the rest of Europe) can afford this? Europe is no longer wealthy, this isn't just my opinion, it's the opinion of former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad [bbc.co.uk]
I'm not saying that worker protections aren't important, but a 38 hour work week and food checks? I suggest you teach your children either Chinese (to communicate to their masters) or Arabic (to communicate to their tormentors).

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838139)

Arabic (to communicate to their tormentors).

Since when did Xe employees speak Arabic?

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838171)

Salaries can just be adjusted down to account for benefits. Really those benefits don't sound that opulent, and are mainly allowing workers to afford to work, which any successful company must be able to provide.

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (2)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838337)

How long do you think Belgium (and the rest of Europe) can afford this?

As long as those companies that wish to do business there are forced to participate in the social contract.

Once they ease that restriction, and allow them to offshore all their labor and dodge taxes left and right, then they'll be on the same path towards a corporate-controlled neo-fuedalist society that we are. The only reason American corporations get away with this shit is because our representatives allow them to. They're both at fault, but I'm not going to excuse the moral turpitude prevalent in corporate society in this country just because there's no specific law against their antisocial behavior on the books. We all know that they're playing these games, the difference is, half of the people in this country, for some reason, think it's excusable. Funny how those same people often bitch and complain about the "parasites" collecting welfare and food stamps but ignore the fucking billion dollar corporations taking billions in subsidies and paying zero net tax year after year.

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838071)

@TWX

While you may be correct in assuming that "the more expensive those goods become, and the less desirable it is to send manufacturing there", I must point out that the end result you describe as the "race to the bottom" is an obvious fallacy.

While manufacturing may move away as a result of rising standards, from the worker's perspective, it's a question of whether or not it's worth it to accept severe wage erosion or lose a job altogether when standing up for their rights.

If you are trying to demonstrate concern about workers rights, please be careful about the correct application of such a phrase as it may confuse others who are still educating themselves about these issues. If you are concern trolling for the plant owners, here's someone that knows better calling BS.

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838089)

Keep in mind that Foxconn is not Chinese (PRC) but Taiwanese Chinese (ROC). That their infamous Longgang (Shenzhen) plant is in PRC does not make them PRC Chinese.

Also keep in mind that labor is just a minor factor in China's low cost. In fact current Shenzhen minimum wages are higher than minimum wages in over 10 EU countries. Tax-free importing of raw materials meant for exported goods, lacks environmental laws, etc. provide much more significant cost savings.

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837723)

then vs than, please! Read your grammar book first!

Re:Brazil workers have more rights then ones in Ch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837819)

Makes sense, actually.

First, Foxconn management get themself some rights, then brazilian workers have more rights, and only then chinese workers can have whatever leftover rights there are after a whole brazillion of workers chips at them.

I am sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837617)

I am sure that foxcon will remove all the problems and put better things in place. All 2500+ problems.

How come the headlines never say... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837621)

"Apple, and Dell, and Samsung, and Amazon, and Tosiba, and .... (insert evert other company producing consumer electronics here) ...partner Foxconn"

Guess only Apple shod be accountable or something?

Re:How come the headlines never say... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837667)

None of those other companies really grab headlines these days. If this happened fifteen years ago, they'd somehow find a way to work Microsoft into the title, even if they were just shipping software on hardware that was manufactured at the plant for different companies.

Re:How come the headlines never say... (2)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837867)

"Apple, and Dell, and Samsung, and Amazon, and Tosiba, and .... (insert [every] other company producing consumer electronics here) ...partner Foxconn"

None of those other companies really grab headlines these days.

Samsung and Amazon sure do. I'm no Apple fanboi but even I think there's a concerted astroturfing effort going on to tar Apple anytime a Foxconn story is released, or when anything comes out that can be spun as anti-Apple.

Anonymous reader, you're not fooling anyone.

Re:How come the headlines never say... (1)

ATMAvatar (648864) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838365)

Perhaps, though I think the larger and more obvious astroturfing effort here is the anti-union sentiment.

Damn those corrupt unions wanting things like running water. Next you know, they'll be asking for bathrooms.

Re:How come the headlines never say... (1)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837891)

In this case it wouldn't be hard, as the plant in question makes XBoxes . But then they couldn't have claimed the news was "sure to ruffle the feathers of Apple fans." Because...I guess...Apple fans are defending Foxcomm's mistreatment of its employees, or something.

Re:How come the headlines never say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837795)

IIRC, more than half of Foxconn's production is iStuff, all the other brands are under 10% each. So yeah, Apple has more say in that than Dell, Samsung, Amazon, Toshiba, and ...

I remember Apple fans saying "Apple just needs to threaten to move production from Foxconn, it will leave them with only scraps of earlier profits and chinese government will order the court to throw out the suit" when discussing the iPad trademark lawsuit. There's no pleasing you people.

Re:How come the headlines never say... (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837927)

IIRC, more than half of Foxconn's production is iStuff, all the other brands are under 10% each. So yeah, Apple has more say in that than Dell, Samsung, Amazon, Toshiba, and ...

If I remember correctly, you just make stuff up. But since neither of us has a citation, let's move on...

Foxconn apparently makes 40% of the world's electronics [nytimes.com] and its customers include Amazon, Apple, Dell, HP, and numerous others. If Apple is really selling 20% of the world's electronics, then the company is doing a lot better than anyone thought...

Brazil != China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837633)

If foxconn thinks that Brazil is China, they are very mistaken...

Stop it! Stop the second right now! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837649)

It's time to stop, stop, stop! You fuckin' little wusaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays!

Wow! Such as never seen before...!

Mike Daisey fucked it all up. (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837655)

After the retraction, I don't know if I even care if this is Apple at this point. Quite frankly I'd be surprised if this was at the plant producing Apple goods. The latest outbreak of suicides and protestations have been over the division that manufactures Xboxes, funny enough.

Not Apple's gear.

Re:Mike Daisey fucked it all up. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837869)

After the retraction, I don't know if I even care if this is Apple at this point. Quite frankly I'd be surprised if this was at the plant producing Apple goods. The latest outbreak of suicides and protestations have been over the division that manufactures Xboxes, funny enough.

Not Apple's gear.

I notice a lot of people place a great deal of emphasis on whether it's Apple or not.

All things considered, that's pretty damn sad.

These workers are being mistreated and all you people can think about is whether it has something to do with Apple!

Whether or not Apple is evil is beside the point. Whether or not Apple has something to do with this particular incident in Brazil is beside the point. The point is, these workers are being mistreated, and the first thing you people think about is Apple! Frankly, that's fucking insane.

Re:Mike Daisey fucked it all up. (3, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837957)

After the retraction, I don't know if I even care if this is Apple at this point. Quite frankly I'd be surprised if this was at the plant producing Apple goods. The latest outbreak of suicides and protestations have been over the division that manufactures Xboxes, funny enough.

Not Apple's gear.

I notice a lot of people place a great deal of emphasis on whether it's Apple or not.

All things considered, that's pretty damn sad.

These workers are being mistreated and all you people can think about is whether it has something to do with Apple!

Whether or not Apple is evil is beside the point. Whether or not Apple has something to do with this particular incident in Brazil is beside the point. The point is, these workers are being mistreated, and the first thing you people think about is Apple! Frankly, that's fucking insane.

A lot of people place emphasis on it because the counter is true - Apple is being beaten with this stick, so when it's *not* anything to do with Apple, why is that suddenly wrong to point that out? This is not an attempt to justify worker abuse, but aiming the criticism at the right companies involved is a good start. Not to mention that making stuff up and claiming it is true (Mike Daisey) does more harm to your cause than anything else.

Apple (and others) need to be taken to task for sure, but unless the criticism is wielded accurately, people will simply assume you're the boy crying wolf again and stop taking the issue seriously, which is the worst thing that could happen.

Re:Mike Daisey fucked it all up. (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838069)

I clearly care that it's abuse of human rights and labor abuse, BUT, I don't care if if it's apple or not.

That's why I said I don't care.

Microsoft Factory? (4, Informative)

Dupple (1016592) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837665)

Manaus and Indaiatuba are where phones are made, TFA states the workers threatening to strike are at the the Jundiaí factory. Isn't that where the xbox is made?

Re:Microsoft Factory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837715)

yes but Microsoft doesn't pull in the punters anymore, it's all Apple, gotta tarnish them because they are BIG NEWS now.

Re:Microsoft Factory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837737)

Astroturfing, much?

Re:Microsoft Factory? (1)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837939)

TFA states the workers threatening to strike are at the the Jundiaà factory. Isn't that where the xbox is made?

Astroturfing, much?

Pot, meet kettle.

Re:Microsoft Factory? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838011)

What's that sound? Ah yes, the sound of stampeding fanbois.

Re:Microsoft Factory? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837767)

Lots of products are made in Jundiai, Including iPhones as of December 2011.

Re:Microsoft Factory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837911)

Manaus and Indaiatuba are where phones are made, TFA states the workers threatening to strike are at the the Jundiaí factory. Isn't that where the xbox is made?

This should be applied to every claim made in an Apple-related topic from now on:

Give me your source, or be exposed for the Apple shill you are.

FIRE THEM AND MOVE PRODUCTION TO ALABAMA !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837685)

I hear they work for cheap there !! And they're used to poor conditions, so they won't know no better !!

Re:FIRE THEM AND MOVE PRODUCTION TO ALABAMA !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837731)

If you wanna hear somethin funny I'll tell ya...

Foxconn and another Chinese manufacturer have been talking to governments in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, and Georgia about opening a plant when they finally throw out minimum wage. Supposedly there are some handshake agreements over it, but what do I know. I only drive limos in DC

Re:FIRE THEM AND MOVE PRODUCTION TO ALABAMA !! (1)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837985)

And next those fine states will have handshake agreements with Foxconn about moving in even more production when they bring back slavery. If we're going backwards, why not just go all the way? I'm sure legalizing slavery would push unemployment down VERY quickly!

Re:FIRE THEM AND MOVE PRODUCTION TO ALABAMA !! (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838165)

Is it really a good idea to use slaves to produce delicate electronics?

Take the news as a grain of salt (4, Informative)

Edsj (1972476) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837713)

As a brazilian myself, I saw the news about it in the last few days in our local media.

Foxconn is in Brazil for serveral years. The main problem of water was reported as a temporary supply problem from the public water system, not Foxconn fault.

The second biggest problem was reported about the buses being overcrowded. This is most probably because Foxconn hired a lot of workes recently to increase its production and the guy responsible for transportation made a lousy job to handle the extra workers.

Also, the union president said the strike is very unlikely because Foxconn said it was already taking care of the situation. They aren't striking for salaries, bonus, or anything else related. The union just made a warning for Foxconn to act quickly.

Re:Take the news as a grain of salt (3, Funny)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837855)

The union just made a warning for Foxconn to act quickly.

You do realize that this is scary for Americans? Others telling companies what to do? OMFG! Communism and the world will collapse.

Re:Take the news as a grain of salt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837923)

Oh shut the fuck up, geek filth. No one says that shit. You're just another geek atrocity the would could do without.

Re:Take the news as a grain of salt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838217)

You do realize that this is scary for Americans? Others telling companies what to do? OMFG! Communism and the world will collapse.

You are an idiot.

Re:Take the news as a grain of salt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838313)

I realize Slashdot is reflexively anti-American, but this doesn't make any sense.

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837755)

Over 2,500 job positions now open.. which will be filled promptly.

Ruffle my feathers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39837769)

Why would it ruffle my feathers? I'm not responsible for the working conditions or employment practices of some company overseas nor do I give a shit. If all of these people in India and China and Brazil and everywhere else hate the conditions so much, I'm sure there are plenty of other unemployed people in our own country that wouldn't mind taking their job back.

Also, you know, let brazil deal with brazil's problems. I have enough shit to wrry about.

Why are they annoyed? (3, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837833)

More bad news comes from Apple's iDevice manufacturing partner Foxconn that is sure to ruffle the feathers of Apple fans

I'd bet they're more ruffled by the fact that Apple gets credit for everything that happens in Foxconn anywhere......

Re:Why are they annoyed? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838005)

More bad news comes from Apple's iDevice manufacturing partner Foxconn that is sure to ruffle the feathers of Apple fans

I'd bet they're more ruffled by the fact that Apple gets credit for everything that happens in Foxconn anywhere......

TFA says the factory makes iPads and recently started production on the iPhone. So, while hardcore Apple fans will undoubtedly say whatever they feel like about this (and I'm sure they'll say a lot, little of it having to do with worker's rights), the criticism is somewhat justified.

Not that any of that matters, of course, since the central issue here is that workers are being mistreated and not that Apple fans might get upset.

Re:Why are they annoyed? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838039)

From the article:

The report did not specifically say whether the workers threatening strike are working on iPad or iPhone production lines.

Singling out Apple here makes no more sense than singling out Microsoft.

Re:Why are they annoyed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838131)

From the article:

The report did not specifically say whether the workers threatening strike are working on iPad or iPhone production lines.

Singling out Apple here makes no more sense than singling out Microsoft.

Apple and Microsoft are tangential, how about singling out worker mistreatment as the issue here?

Re:Why are they annoyed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838225)

From the article:

The report did not specifically say whether the workers threatening strike are working on iPad or iPhone production lines.

Singling out Apple here makes no more sense than singling out Microsoft.

FWIW it's actually not a secret which factory it is and it indeed is the iPad / iPhone factory.

Not that it matters, the point is that foxconn has gotten used to only operating in countries where the workers are pussies who never complain, never strike - because culturally they've always been striked down whenever they tried anything like that.

typical apple (-1, Flamebait)

johnwerneken (74428) | more than 2 years ago | (#39837963)

doesn't fall far from the tree. typical apple all the way, all hype and oppression

Cultural comparison: Brazil vs China (2)

Theovon (109752) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838041)

If a sociologist were to get hold of this it would be interesting. Foxconn China vs. Foxconn Brazil. The parent company and the products remain constant, as do the sources of most of the parts, while what changes are local management, local laws, and local workers. So, if there were any systematic difference in manufacturing quality between the two locations, it might tell is some interesting things about differences in culture. Do workers in China or Brazil have better attention to detail? Better concern for precision? Better concern for what the inside of a product looks like vs. the outside, where tolerances allow differences?

My iPad 2, for instance, has a very minor manufacturing flaw. There is a plastic seal between the front glass and the metal that wraps around the sides, where along one bottom corner, the plastic protrudes slightly more. So there is room for variability in assembly that would be interesting to look at.

For Foxconn's sake, they could turn this into a benefit. Hey personnel A! Why aren't we doing better than personnel B?

In the US, we've kinda lost that competitive drive; we've adopted a culture of doing the minimum work for the maximum pay, but maybe Brazil and China have different values.

Re:Cultural comparison: Brazil vs China (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838155)

It's been known for a long time that there are distinct differences in quality control of a car depending on what plant they came out of. For example, anything that ships from Japan and Germany are the cars you want when shopping. Canada and USA are good too. But last I checked, anything coming out of Mexico has a horrible track record of issues. Be sure to check your VINs when looking for a new car.

Just do all the work in the US (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838113)

If that increases the price of them $250/unit, that won't actually stop most of the noisy radicals who of course already own several of their own Apple products.

Strikes in Brazil (1)

lcam (848192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838271)

In brazil workers unions normally plan strikes annually. About 2 months ago the police force that reacts to emergency calls when on strike because they wanted a pay increase; crime skyrocketed. The standoff between the governor of the state Bahia (a state in the north eastern region) held his ground in not granting a pay increase. The result was that the police force on strike held their grounds until the last day that their action would be construed as an abandonment of their public obligations. (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnoticias.terra.com.br%2Fbrasil%2Fnoticias%2F0%2C%2COI5597144-EI5030%2C00-BA%2Bgreve%2Bda%2BPolicia%2BMilitar%2Bprejudica%2Binicio%2Bdo%2Bano%2Bletivo.html&act=url)

Banks go on strike at least once a year, truck drivers who deliver gasoline when on strike to protest city decisions about when roads could be used by trucks. While Foxconn is threatening a strike, it's organized by the workers union because it seems the factory is overcrowded... You can read the translation of the local media here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftechguru.com.br%2Ffoxconn-de-jundiai-pode-entrar-em-greve-na-semana-que-vem%2F).

The typical mentality of trying to run a factory at 110% capacity to maximize profits...

Apple fans == Insensitive clods? (1)

Suffering Bastard (194752) | more than 2 years ago | (#39838295)

More bad news comes from Apple's iDevice manufacturing partner Foxconn that is sure to ruffle the feathers of Apple fans.

Really? Are we such a deadened society that we think product allegiance equates to willful negligence of human rights?

Somehow I get the feeling most "Apple fans" also care about the humane treatment of other human beings. Implying that loyal Apple users care more about the image of their chosen computer company than human rights is just silly sensationalist headlining.

Oh yeah. Slashdot. I must be new here.

Mobile version of the Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39838297)

Again, mobile site but I am on my desktop. Slashdot, is there any hope?

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