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UK ISPs Ordered To Block Pirate Bay

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the do-not-surf-list dept.

Piracy 188

Barence writes "Five of Britain's biggest ISPs have been ordered to block access to The Pirate Bay. Sky, Everything Everywhere, TalkTalk, O2 and Virgin Media have been told to block access to the site. Britain's biggest ISP, BT, has been given a few further weeks to 'consider its position.' Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else' and calling for those who use The Pirate Bay to illegally download content to 'explore the many digital music services operating ethically and legally in the UK.'"

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how to unblock (5, Informative)

Dave Whiteside (2055370) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846303)

Re:how to unblock (4, Informative)

caknuckle (2521404) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846415)

Since internet traffic itself is routed through the ISP's line's, are they sophisticated enough to block the IP ranges of the Pirate Bay, or would it be simple DNS blocking?

Re:how to unblock (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846435)

If other European countries are anything to go on, it'll just be a DNS level "block". Which means I'm laughing, as I use Virgin Media but already use someone else's DNS resolvers.

Re:how to unblock (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847593)

Here in the Netherlands we have and IP-level block for some ISPs (Ziggo, the biggest, and XS4ALL, the internet-friendliest). However, research has already shown that this has not reduced piracy through the pirate bay (oddly enough, you'd expect at least one or two people to move on to the next website when 'it doesn't work').

Re:how to unblock (5, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846459)

The ISPs will very likely take the least-cost, least-effective method available to them under the terms of the court order so as to adhere to it with a minimum of disruption to their profits and their users.

Re:how to unblock (2)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846839)

Indeed. We need a name for the situation in which a company does something beneficial not for any altruistic or ethical reasons, but simply because the most profitable path happens to be aligned with the interests of the users.

I propose (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846919)

capitalism

Once upon a time... (5, Insightful)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847027)

Indeed. We need a name for the situation in which a company does something beneficial not for any altruistic or ethical reasons, but simply because the most profitable path happens to be aligned with the interests of the users.

Once upon a time, that was called "doing business".

Re:how to unblock (4, Informative)

makomk (752139) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847365)

Pretty much all the ISPs have a very effective content filter originally instated in the name of blocking child porn - it uses a transparent proxy to intercept and block requests at the HTTP level - and I think it's that specifically that they've been ordered to use to block The Pirate Bay. At the time, the ISPs and politicians behind this scheme insisted that it was only targetted at child porn and there wasn't any kind of slippery slope, whilst opponents pointed out that the courts could force them to block other kinds of sites once they had the infrastructure in place.

Re:how to unblock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847715)

Enter SSL (HTTPS) and SSL certificates, the original way to deal with "transparent proxies" (which are, after all, automated man-in-the-middle attacks).

Re:how to unblock (2)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847845)

Pretty much all the ISPs have a very effective content filter originally instated in the name of blocking child porn - it uses a transparent proxy to intercept and block requests at the HTTP level ...

Source?

I'm genuinely interested.

Re:how to unblock (2)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846551)

India atleast implements IP level blocks

Re:how to unblock (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847265)

TFA says that Newzbin got around the block last year by moving domains, so I'm guessing it's a DNS block (assuming they do the same).

Re:how to unblock (1)

Ossifer (703813) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846431)

That's great if the block is limited to DNS...

Re:how to unblock (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846453)

It's blocked.
Got another link to a non-torrent site?

Re:how to unblock (4, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846655)

The distillation of it is to use Google's DNS [wikipedia.org] , or some other public DNS system.

Of course, the best answer if you are sensitive to this kind of thing is to run your own resolver [isc.org] , which isn't all that hard.

Re:how to unblock (4, Interesting)

makomk (752139) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847465)

This probably won't work in the UK. All the major ISPs have some variant of BT's Cleanfeed censorship system [wikipedia.org] - they were pressured into installing it in the name of stopping child porn - so they're almost certainly going to be blocking at the IP level. The entire point of this court case was to force ISPs to use their very effective existing censorship infrastructure to block sites like The Pirate Bay.

Re:how to unblock (3, Interesting)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847955)

That won't stop DNS functionality, from looking at this [wikipedia.org] . You can use a proxy (or use SSL) to get around the cleanfeed - you just need to know where you are connecting first (and DNS does that job). Note that cleanfeed works by intercepting your request and examining the URL - well, that can only be done by reading an HTTP packet. Can't do that through SSL, or even by using an open proxy (since the "suspect" IP would not be used, and so wouldn't trigger this whole process).

So: the lessons are! 1: Use your own resolver, if you can't trust a public one. 2: use SSL you damn idiots, stop letting data fly around cleartext! (this last one is a yell at the people hosting the sites, not you poor users)

Re:how to unblock (2)

Roujo (2577771) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846711)

Here you go, I put the article on PasteBin since it's CC-BY-NC-licensed. =)

http://pastebin.com/mptMrYit [pastebin.com]

Re:how to unblock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846725)

Just use Opera in turbo mode. Does a compress and resolve in the background. Fun!

Re:how to unblock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846483)

Really? It's only blocking DNS?

Wow - removing an objectionable business from the phone book does not make that business unreachable. Why on earth do people think it does?

Dumb Dumb Dumb.

Re:how to unblock (3, Insightful)

horza (87255) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846651)

Why do they think implementing mass censorship on a national scale will affect piracy?

The dumb starts on a much higher strata than the workings of DNS.

Phillip.

Re:how to unblock (4, Informative)

swilver (617741) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846501)

It's even easier.

1) Install Opera.
2) Activate "turbo mode".
3) Browse as usual.

Happy downloading.

Re:how to unblock (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846615)

Genius. You wouldn't be able to connect to piratebay.org's torrent server but you could still use their website, download their torrent files, and connect to other people (seeds/peers).

Re:how to unblock (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846989)

They haven't had a "torrent server" or tracker for quite a while anyway, so it'll make no difference at all.

Re:how to unblock (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847701)

TBP doesn't tun the trackers any more, but even if they did, the rumor around here seems to be that Cleanfeed - the child-porn-blocking system - will be repurposed. Cleanfeed only filters http content on port 80.

Re:how to unblock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846659)

Shush.

Re:how to unblock (1)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846547)

there are others [about.com] . I personally use kickass they have a nice interface.

Re:how to unblock (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846643)

No. If big music is allowed to censor information just by flexing it's muscles, then this is a problem, no matter how ineffective the means of censorship.

Re:how to unblock (1)

r1348 (2567295) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846851)

ISPs here in Italy already block TPB since a year at least, but did it so sloppily that a simple DNS change works around it.

Re:how to unblock (2)

cvtan (752695) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847057)

It took a whole minute for you to post this after the article showed up on /. Please try to be faster next time.

This will work well (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846363)

Because, you know, TPB is the only torrent site on the Interwebs. People won't use other sites or find a work-around. Nope. Not at all.

Re:This will work well (3, Informative)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846491)

You can search google for filetype:torrent FFS.

And TPB has legitimate purposes. I've watched several free movies like Pioneer One and The Yes Men Fix the World, as well as free music like Blalock's IRP, an album from an artist named Sosa that I've never heard of before, and all kinds of things.

Don't get me wrong, that's a small minority of the links up there (since it doesn't host any files, duh) but it's not all links to pirated material.

Re:This will work well (3, Interesting)

green1 (322787) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847147)

I have had no success with google's filetype search at all recently. it used to work well, but any time I use "filetype" now it just seems to ignore it (of course it generally ignores most of the explicit instructions I give it anyway, so maybe that's just the new google...

They do not understand... (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846719)

They think they are punishing TPB by blocking it, and that other torrent sites will be afraid because of the example they make of TPB. It is the sort of thinking that comes from politicians who grew up in a pre-Internet age.

Re:This will work well, NOT (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847205)

I'm in the Netherlands and my ISP has TPB blocked here by court order, by DNS as well as its specific IP.

It does NOT help. A university study showed no significant decrease in TPB use amongst my peer ISP users and I can confirm it for myself: I still use it without any problems :)

In fact: the number of proxies, either specific to TPB or generic, has exploded due to the court order.

Internet cannot be suppressed. It always routes around blockages.

Once again, government is too slow to act. (2)

Auroch (1403671) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846373)

Yet again, we have another example of an inefficient government being too slow to act. Now, the question should be : Is it inefficent AND slow? Or just inefficient?

Re:Once again, government is too slow to act. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846389)

It takes time for bribes to trickle down from polliticians to judges.

Re:Once again, government is too slow to act. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846413)

They're quite efficient at being both inefficient and slow at the exact same time.

Re:Once again, government is too slow to act. (1, Funny)

Theophany (2519296) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846497)

Neither. It's full-blown, mongoloid-butt-fuck retarded.

Re:Once again, government is too slow to act. (1)

shoehornjob (1632387) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847191)

full-blown, mongoloid-butt-fuck retarded

The nanny state exposed. It turns out that they really are a bunch of mongoloid butt fuckers.

Re:Once again, government is too slow to act. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847177)

Yes. Because it would be MUCH better if government were to censor quickly and efficiently.

<eyeroll />

Time for war (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846403)

This should be fun!!!

Re:Time for war (5, Funny)

dadioflex (854298) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847111)

I've taken to hanging around HMV and tutting disapprovingly when I see anyone take a CD to the check-out. Don't they realise that money is going to fund a terrorist organization that seeks to censor the proletariat?

wonder how this will affect smaller LLU's (2)

s0litaire (1205168) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846427)

I'm not with one of the "big 6" ISP's but I'm with an independent LLU that uses their cable.
Will they be forced to block it as well?

Not a big problem for me, as their is always a way around it!

Re:wonder how this will affect smaller LLU's (2)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846901)

I'm with Be, who used to be an independent ISP but they got bought out by O2.

Fuck. This country sucks.

Re:wonder how this will affect smaller LLU's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847719)

Not a big problem for me either since I don't pirate content. However, this recent spate of "block this, censor that, seize this" still bothers me a lot as censorship is never a good thing.

Well (5, Funny)

Spad (470073) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846433)

That's piracy sorted, what's next?

Re:Well (2)

NeverSuchBefore (2613927) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846475)

How about world hunger? Nah. That's too hard. Let's just hire more TSA employees to molest people at airports.

Re:Well (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846611)

World hunger? Clearly you've not seen the new dollar menu at McFood.

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846529)

That's piracy sorted, what's next?

"The rest of the internet."

Note the lack of sarcasm.

Re:Well (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847705)

Pirates can be in porn too you humourless clod!

We'll cure cancer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846633)

Erm... Not quite. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847707)

There's still the matter of traditional pirates (the raping and pillaging kind). They're still attacking ships and disrupting trade off the coast of Africa and yes, the Caribbean.

BPI ethics (4, Insightful)

Anomalyst (742352) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846441)

Do the BPI members use the same Hollywood accounting methodology to pay their contracted artists, like charging "breakage" against digital music download sales? If so then the BPI concern over the artists getting paid is hypocritically laughable.

Re:BPI ethics (2)

Dr_Barnowl (709838) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846513)

Yeah, my first thought was that I'd find it hard to find ethical music suppliers in the UK - specifically the ones run by the labels.

I guess the only places I'll by buying from now will be Magnatune [magnatune.com] and Bandcamp [bandcamp.com]

Also consider to forbid metal. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846479)

Since it's used for making bullets that are used by criminals.

But metal is not only used for making bullets used by criminals.
So does the pirate bay.

Lies. (5, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846489)

"explore the many digital music services operating ethically and legally in the UK.'"

Yes, and you "can have any color of model T, as long as its black." Please. The popularity of the pirate bay suggests that the 'many digital music services' are woefully lacking in something the pirate bay provides; And study after study have shown that it's not the price that's driving people to those sites, but the ease of use and lack of DRM. People are, in fact, willing to pay to be entertained... they just don't believe that the pricing model accurately reflects the entertainment value of the product -- and when every song is priced the same at the various digitla music stores, that's pretty good evidence they're right; Nobody would say that Manos, Hands of Fate is of equal value to say, The Dark Knight. Well, nobody except the entertainment industry...

Re:Lies. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846597)

Nobody would say that Manos, Hands of Fate is of equal value to say, The Dark Knight. Well, nobody except the entertainment industry...

Late last year [slashdot.org] , somebody found an original 16mm Ektachrome workprint of Manos, and Manos: The Restoration [kickstarter.com] raised $48000 - well over the $10000 goal.

Sometimes the only way to preserve the long tail is to bypass the industry entirely. It's not worth it for the entertainment industry to resurrect Manos, but it is worth it to people who watch movies.

Re:Lies. (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847507)

Well, to be fair, if you're drunk and/or high enough, those two are pretty much equal in value, which completely explains the entertainment industry's position.

Agreed (5, Insightful)

alanthenerd (639252) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846495)

Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'

I agree. It's just unfortunate that when you buy mainstream music only a very tiny percentage goes to the music creators. Most of it goes to record label fat cats and towards lobbying for shit like this ban.

Re:Agreed (3, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846721)

It certainly would be nice for some of these billion dollar infringement judgements to go to the music creators. But they probably stood to lose a few dollars. (assuming they ever got out of the hole with the record label they signed on with) Shows just how screwed up the economics of this issue is, on both ends of the line.

Re:Agreed (1)

KingCarrot (897403) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847371)

Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'

I agree. It's just unfortunate that when you buy mainstream music only a very tiny percentage goes to the music creators. Most of it goes to record label fat cats and towards lobbying for shit like this ban.

What's the problem? You are supporting the creative (book keeping) arts! Not only that, the "current" market is a win-win situation for the record labels...They get twice what they are worth and they are happy.

Goodbye internet (1)

1s44c (552956) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846507)

It was nice knowing the internet. Now the wicked people have figured out how to pervert it we can kiss it goodbye.

What we need is a new internet free from political manipulations. Something mesh based and truely free would be nice.

Re:Goodbye internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846647)

We built a garden..

Long story but the moral is that we should not have let them in our garden. Time to build a new garden.

Re:Goodbye internet (1)

cjb658 (1235986) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846981)

Has anyone had good luck with darknets? I tried Freenet but it was too slow and didn't have very much on it.

It very much resembles the internet of the 90s.

Re:Goodbye internet (1)

green1 (322787) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847317)

I tried freenet, and my impression was the same as yours. The basic problem is that there aren't enough people on it to make it fast and full of content, but nobody will be on it until it is...
I also thought about TOR, but I don't like the idea that someone else pops out of the TOR network on to the public internet through my connection. It leaves me liable for their dirty deeds (I'd love to think that the simple fact that you can't know who it is would help, but I know that law enforcement would at the bare minimum make my life a royal pain for a very long time, even if that argument did eventually win (something I'm not 100% certain of))

The sad truth though is that as long as data travels on big corporate pipes, we are vulnerable to this. The only real solution is a true mesh network built from the ground up to be anonymous and secure. Unfortunately, developing this and marketing it on a wide enough scale to be useful isn't a profitable venture (economically, socially, or politically), and as such there isn't likely to be such a thing in the near future.

Re:Goodbye internet (3, Insightful)

cjb658 (1235986) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847585)

You don't have to run a Tor relay/exit. In fact, it's off by default.

Re:Goodbye internet (1)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847287)

It was nice knowing the internet. Now the wicked people have figured out how to pervert it we can kiss it goodbye.

Internet: "Rumors of my demise have been greatly exagerated."

Think "whack-a-mole", and maybe you ought to read Fahrenheit 451. All the MafiAA are succeeding in doing is driving the pirates further out of their reach. Even unsophisticated users know they can get onto web forums and search engines to find answers to boneheaded moves like this.

Politicians get campaign financing, artists learn to publish and promote their own works independent of the labels, the law gets even more screwed up than it already is, and fans learn that doing things the MafiAA's way is frustrating and not worth paying for. Way to go, MafiAA. :-P

Yeah well I don't give a fuck about music. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846517)

So how about you stick your crappy attempt at censorship up your ass?

Enjoy making even more people flock to the site despite your stupid blocks. Morons.

China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846565)

Blocking sites? seems a little familiar, what's next?

Re:China? (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846781)

Blocking sites? seems a little familiar, what's next?

The Spanish Inquisition!

Nobody expects to see the Spanish Inquisition.

ISP Followup Story (3, Funny)

edgypx (2629163) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846567)

Everything Everywhere changes name to Most Things Almost Everywhere

Everything Everywhere, except ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846585)

Whatever we say you can't have

Crushing the Competition (3, Insightful)

stewsters (1406737) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846591)

Every single artist on the promo bay should sue the monopoly for anti competitive business practices.

Streisand effect (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846635)

I would love to see a big fat Streisand effect from this.

Boiling Frog (1)

jimmerz28 (1928616) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846703)

It's going to be interesting to see how people react to the slowly encroaching restriction on what we can/cannot access online.

With the Middle East & Co. the cut-off was drastic, whereas I think in the West we're facing the Boiling Frog syndrome.

People in this thread are asking if the governments' are slow/inefficient, but really I think the general populace is even slower.

When?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846717)

When will this supposed block be put in place? I have RTFA and can see no timescale or date which makes me assume this block is already in place.

I am on one of the main 5 and have absolutely no problem accessing the site.

UK government (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39846751)

As a British citizen I am getting more and more sick of the incompetent morons who govern this country.

Maybe instead of takings bribes from the likes of Rupert Murdoch, outmoded business like the recording industry and the fundamentally failed banking sector they could do some of the following:
- Financial transaction taxes. Stop the crazy gambling in the financial sector
- How about cutting fuel taxes (paid for by a 1% increase in corporation tax.) Everyone needs stuff moved around so making it cheaper can only be a good thing.
- Invest in actual industry rather than bailing out the failed financial sector. You've spent hundreds of billions on this and have nothing to show for it.
- Build fucking nuclear power stations. Solar, wind, wave, etc are completely impractical so stop wasting money on them
- Stop wasting money on wars
- Open up the government and stop fucking with your people

I'm not even sure who is worth voting for anymore. The Conservatives are as corrupt and sleazy as they were under Thatcher, Labour offer nothing more than "we wouldn't do what the Conservatives are doing but we won't bother to offer any ideas of our own" and the Liberal Democrats have sold themselves out to the Conservatives. Not one of these parties is willing to take any risks or do anything that requires telling the banking sector "NO!" The political class in the UK is completely rotten.

"deserve to be paid for their work" (1)

syntheticmemory (1232092) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846795)

Creative music artists are at the mercy of the record companies..... The music industry would like to continue the cash stream, but actually paying the artists for their work is another matter.

Re:"deserve to be paid for their work" (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847001)

NO they are not. People CHOOSE to work with the record companies for fame and fortune, not for the sake of art.

Re:"deserve to be paid for their work" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847455)

NO they are not. People CHOOSE to work with the record companies for fame and fortune, not for the sake of art.

The radio stations have contracts that prohibit them to play music not originated from MAFIAA. Now this is what's wrong with your statement:

choice /CHois/

Noun:

An act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities.

Okay, (1)

s0nicfreak (615390) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846801)

so there are other options to get the illegal stuff on The Pirate Bay... but what about the stuff that is on there legally, where TPB is the only place to get it?

Re:Okay, (1)

Scarred Intellect (1648867) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847095)

Such as..?

Honest question.

Cannot block an idea (1)

troll -1 (956834) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846837)

You cannot block the piratebay because it's an idea. You can take away its domain and block its IP addresses but those are things that can be changed. The piratebay will live on because it's an idea. It cannot be suppressed by the authorities. It will always resurface.

New donate site for your favorite artists (1)

onebeaumond (1230624) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846949)

Unfortunately, you'll never see this. Because it's illegal for artists to be paid for their work, if Sony et all can't get their 90% "cut".

I actually agree with the BPI (4, Insightful)

alexo (9335) | more than 2 years ago | (#39846967)

Music lobby group, the BPI, welcomed the move, saying music creators 'deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else'

"Just like everyone else" means "once".

Most People download to sample before buying (1)

kawabago (551139) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847025)

If Britain blocks TPB legitimate sales will drop off because people won't be able to find music they want to buy.

Re:Most People download to sample before buying (0)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847403)

How did it work before the internet then? Sure, there was piracy, but not on the scale we see it today - and music was still bought.

Re:Most People download to sample before buying (1)

jkflying (2190798) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847843)

Heard it on the radio, heard it at a friend's house, heard it in a friend's car. That kind of thing. People have been pirating cassettes ever since they came out... or don't you remember the days of waiting for your favourite song to come on the radio so you could start hitting 'record' on your cassette player?

Re:Most People download to sample before buying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847893)

That's what happened in France. The recent 3 strikes law, or whatever, caused the metrics to measuring piracy to drop. The funny thing is it about corresponds with nearly identical drop in media(BR/DVD/Audio/etc) revenue.

And now that the UK has censorship infrasctructure (4, Insightful)

rastoboy29 (807168) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847061)

It will now be easier to justify/implement blocking other unapproved sites.

The main problem with doing this for piracy is that so many people do it.  They are fighting a large proportion of all people.

Censorship should be limited to only the most egregious things, if that, or it WILL be expanded.

sooo... (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847235)

When is the UK going to force blocking of Google, Bing, etc? Did any of these brilliant censors ever think to search for torrents there?

Oh! (0, Troll)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847269)

"Oh, no! My right to download gigabytes of awesome music I would never actually pay for so they aren't actually losing money is being impinged!"

I await my downmod with mathematical certitude.

Re:Oh! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39847459)

"Oh, no! I'm being called out for my straw man!"

Reminds me of a few years ago... (1)

bbbaldie (935205) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847555)

...the American MAFIAA managed to get credit card access cut off to allofmp3.com. Bullied the credit card companies pretty badly, as I recall.

The identical music was available on another half-dozen or so Russian websites (not specifically demanded to be blocked, therefore credit card companies had no problem doing business with them and making money) within a day.

:-D

Ruling not valid in Scotland and Northern Ireland? (2)

TAZ6416 (584004) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847665)

Posted this on the Guardian site but no reply so thought I'd ask here. As far as I know this ruling is only applicable in England and Wales as Scotland and Northern Ireland, while part of the UK has their own legal system. So therefore the block should not apply to customers in Scotland and Northern Ireland? I'm sure it would be easier for the ISPs to attempt a blanket block for a technical point of view but if so could their Scottish and Northern Irish customers have grounds to complain?

Re:Ruling not valid in Scotland and Northern Irela (1)

Epimer (1337967) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847827)

Acts of the United Kingdom Parliament can apply to Scotland and Northern Ireland too. Neither Scotland nor Northern Ireland have their own copyright laws; it's all the Copyright and Designs Act 1988.

So, no.

Re:Ruling not valid in Scotland and Northern Irela (1)

TAZ6416 (584004) | more than 2 years ago | (#39847887)

Thanks Epimer, I assumed this was a private civil case where the Copyright and Designs Act wasn't involved but happy to stand corrected.
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